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You are right , don't shoot me as I am just the messenger boy .. ha Actually the extract about the Raytheon weapons that someone is picking holes with come with the Bloomberg tag on it so go find fault with Bloomberg if desired .. It's unfortunate that every media source has a bias these days so we have no choice but to try n read widely (if desired) n form our own opinion .. The BBC was recently given 70 mil by the British govt to make its reporting on the Ukraine war "more accurate" ahem = more politically correct .. This is reported in the papers so again pls don't shoot me for it eh ... 555

Its such a joke its's ludricrous I didn't even bother to look as the quotes were not made by me till you mention them .. "By many accounts these shipments of weapons like the Javelin anti-tank missile (jointly manufactured by Raytheon and Lockheed Martin) are getting blown up as soon as they arrive in Ukraine. This doesn’t bother Raytheon at all. The more weapons blown up by Russia in Ukraine, the more new orders come from the Pentagon. What we do see is that Russians are capturing modern US and NATO weapons by the ton and even using them to kill more Ukrainians. What irony. Also, what kinds of opportunities will be provided to terrorists, with thousands of tons of deadly high-tech weapons floating around Europe? Washington has admitted that it has no way of tracking the weapons it is sending to Ukraine and no way to keep them out of the hands of the bad guys."-Bloomberg So this is what you took offense with .. It's an open fact that Javelin anti-tank missile is jointly manufactured by Raytheon and Lockheed Martin so there's nothing to proof here .. The words "This doesn’t bother Raytheon at all. " is super logical too.. Raytheon is in the business of producing weapons so of course the more the weapons are used, the happier it will be as it means more replenishment n more sales .. So of course they would not be bothered if the products are used, damaged or stolen for they are in the business to make $ for god's sake ... These companies are all listed so all you need to do is to look for their quarterly accounting statements to see how much $ they are making n obviously they will make way more $ during a war, that's why it is called a war right ... As for their weapons being captured by the enemy, of course this happens in war n is something even the US government will not dare guarantee that it will not happen ...!! The last part about "Washington has admitted that it has no way of tracking the weapons it is sending to Ukraine" This is what the US has openly admitted too as they don't have people on the ground to track n the weapons are only openly distributed to the various generals in the Ukrainian army . And it's a known fact that is reported in the papers that some elements of the Ukranian army *eg the Azov Battalion) act autonomously n is not under the direct control of Zelensky. It was also reported that the US senate voted not to have arms supplied to the Azov Battalion prior to the war cause of their bad n cruel conduct ... Actually this entire extract had a bloomberg word at the end which suggested that the reader extracted it from Bloomberg so go pick holes it them if u r unhappy The other thing is that it's easy to call anything "Fake" but the world will be in mayhem if anyone can just call something "Fake" n get away with it ... Then 1+1 will not be 2 but will be any number I desire cos I can say the maths textbook is fake Then all newspapers n even this forum can close n universities can close too cos students need not study as they can just say their answer is right n the textbooks are fake ...... The fact is that there is propaganda every where as almost every media has a bias , so the onus is for the consumer to read more widely n to look at things from different perspectives to form a more rounded opinion .. The other thing is that the onus is on the person who say something is fake to prove that it is not fake since he's the one who chooses to pick holes with it, not the other way round .. So instead of lamely saying something is not "Black", go prove that it is not "Black" before you talk ... 555

As I "ve said, it's just a quote.. Go after the guys who say it if you want. Often there's no smoke without a fire n folks should embrace articles like that to show that they have nothing to hide .. I"m sure the truth will emerge if someone is willing to pay enough for an investigation .. Bare in mind that i do not work for the forum n am just doing community service to make the content more meaningful ...

True, but 122 is equally bad n it's like the pot calling the kettle black In fact, if you look back thru history, you find that regimes supported by the US often turn up to be extremely corrupt; so much that it looks far beyond being just a mere coincidence It's like opening a can of worms n it's all over the places in countries ranging from Vietnam, China, Iran, Philippines, Indonesia , Afghanistan etc ..

You can equally find a ton of content that suggest the contrary .. There is always both sides to a coin so it's always good to present disparate views n let people make their own conclusion ...

It's blatantly obvious that the separation had been done by spacing them out. Each extracted quote represents an individual voice that deserves to be heard . I could edit it to cut each quote down to 3 sentences if needed but felt that would be a disrespectful breach of free speech n expression .. Have a funny feeling that it's a case of "reality hurts" that leads people to pick fault at how things were laid out when it's the content that matters most .. Hopefully, this is not the case ..

Would not like to debate but honestly Ukraine, Nato n the US saw it coming years ago as Putin has repeatedly warned n expressed his unhappiness at Nato's expansion . In the US, many are saying that Biden is doing it to arrest the dip in his approval ratings (he is still likely to lose the re-election irregardless) Russia took months to amass troops along the border n the US was also openly warning that a war was imminent .. And the war in Donbas had already gone on for 8 years since 2014, so we can't say that no one saw it coming ... The US is plainly using Ukraine as a venue n the Ukrainians as human pawns to weaken a systemic rival (Russia) both economically n militarily; that's the reason it wants the war to go on n has not been pushing for peace.. This is plain for all to see especially following biden's latest rhetoric about wanting to weaken Russia to such a state that it will not post a threat to anyone in future .. Now it is pointless to pin the blame on anyone anymore as damage has already been done n the Ukranians has been set back economically n spiritually by 3 generations at least .. Rebuilding the country will easily cost 100 - 200 bil usd n it will easily require Ukraine 30 - 50 years to repay it even if they could. And repaying this debt would require the citizens to be living under extreme austerity during this period ...

For your information, the quotes were not all from one page but they were opinions given by each individual to a news article on the war ... n that's the reason for the spacing !!! And these were only some of the quotes as they several pages thick ... That's why the saying goes " First seek to understand before you attempt to make yourself understood in an uneducated manner " .. 555

There's no smoke without a fire .. The one most at fault I'm afraid is the fire starter across the Atlantic ... Zelinski is one of the parties who could have prevented death n damage by preventing the war in the first place so of he cause he cannot go unblamed ...

Wow, so afraid !!, Is that a threat ?? Which school you went to that caused you to speak like that ... 555

FYI for a better perspective .. This is what some Americans are saying about the war ... Old men start wars, young men fight them. There are no real winners. Everyone looses something in war. It was the Socialist Lenin who said that the way to destroy America was through inflation and over taxation. America's domestic socialists are doing that for him. It’s not clear to me why we are in this war but it looks like we are doing it to cover Biden and his corrupted dealings with Ukraine. We are sending billions of dollars overseas when more and more Americans don’t have money to buy food. Now we are even talking about nukes without thinking of the terrible implications of it. I’m surprised a lot of republicans are ok with this. Trump wanted to start thinking about America and focusing on our independence and future. He wanted to end all the corruption in our government and clean up the deep state. He wanted to keep doing business with the world but negotiating from a position of power. He wanted us out of every foreign war. Why aren’t we pursuing his legacy instead of supporting this travesty that may lead us to a path of destruction? Why are Poland, France, England, Germany, and I'm not going to continue this list of all the other countries, "in this war" too? Are they all covering for Biden?? Is the whole western world so enamored with Biden that they are ready to take in millions of refugees and give parts of their smaller budgets and military stocks all to cover for Biden?? By many accounts these shipments of weapons like the Javelin anti-tank missile (jointly manufactured by Raytheon and Lockheed Martin) are getting blown up as soon as they arrive in Ukraine. This doesn’t bother Raytheon at all. The more weapons blown up by Russia in Ukraine, the more new orders come from the Pentagon. What we do see is that Russians are capturing modern US and NATO weapons by the ton and even using them to kill more Ukrainians. What irony. Also, what kinds of opportunities will be provided to terrorists, with thousands of tons of deadly high-tech weapons floating around Europe? Washington has admitted that it has no way of tracking the weapons it is sending to Ukraine and no way to keep them out of the hands of the bad guys."-Bloomberg Has anyone wondered why Biden keeps sending weapons and money to keep the war going instead of diplomats to broker a peace deal? Who's the war monger here? I think the chances of the war in Ukraine expanding are inversely proportional to how the Democrats view their chances in the 2022 election. Congress almost doubled the amount of aid provided to Ukraine during President Barack Obama’s eight years in the White House, supplying $2.1 billion and we have given over $14 billion to Ukraine this year. Ever wonder if the aid we gave Ukraine under Obama is tied to 10% for the Big Guy and if the money we are sending now is just to cover up the past?

As the saying goes " Actions speaks louder than words". Politicians expect to be criticized as criticism is a tool for improvement n is part of their bread n butter . The successful ones are those who rise up to the challenge to prove their doubters wrong through action..

To each his own , that's te beauty of diversity ... Do remember that everyone 's views of things will differ as they have more information on the subject n am able to look at thing from various perspectives .. It's always nice to be "wrong n misguided "when it serves a purpose to educate n improve but one might differ if one sees video footage of the luxurious settings he is living in n read about the huge sums of $ he is getting from the US.. You then learn to flip the question n look from the point of view of "what if" ... There are tons of information on the internet that lay out the reasons for the Russia invasion n how it could have been stopped months ago n could still be stopped now, including assurances made during the Clinton years when the USSR was dismantled that they would not expand Nato Eastwards by even one inch .. When a country is fighting a war it almost has no chance of winning n when winning is hollow (except for the politicians who are making billions from it thru corruption n collusion) ,there is a need to look at things from the grassroots point of view .. When you do that, you find that the average man in the street just wants peace n a means to make a living n to realize their dreams n aspirations if possible . They couldn't really be bothered with who the leader is or which party is in charge as the billions made by these politicians will never filter down to them. (FYI ,.. Ukraine ranks no 140 out of 180 countries on the corruption index in 2021 so we are not expected to believe that its leaders are saints ..) Ukraine is already poor as it is n this stupid war has destroyed everything n will easily require 30 years to rebuild even if they have the money !! Who's going to pay for it ?? The debt that results will easily take the country 30 - 50 years to repay .. If you disregard the money n only focus on the human element . This war easily sets back the aspiration of the people by at least 3 generations n Time is something more valuable than money as you cannot buy back Time with it .. Imagine the kids that have to be resettled and the educated females who end up being exploited n forced into vice due to the war; n the folks who worked hard n borrowed from the bank to buy property that is now destroyed n worthless with them still owing the bank for it .. If you look at all this, isn't it imperative for any anyone (regardless if he's the leader) who cares for the country n it's people to seek peace asap to limit the damage to property n lives that are occurring every second . Obviously, there will be more onus on the guy who's leading the country to act appropriately. Is it too much to ask that this person at least focus on seeking peace rather than wasting time doing podcast to berate European leaders n that he spends more time on the field to rally n care for the soldiers n civilians instead of hiding in the comforts of his luxurious bunker .. ?? This is not even a demand but just basic common sense Public Relations moves that any savvy leader will take .. He should just flee to Poland if he is fearful for his little life .. You see civilians who got out of the steel factory in Mariupol saying that they were living in darkness for 6 months but were then hurriedly led away without divulging more details .. Who in the right mind will want to stay in such a place for even 2 weeks which begs the question " Why are so many of them there for so long, is it that people are using them as human shields ?? There should be a UN enquiry on this subject right ??, why is it not done ??

The problem with property is that it's real price is the price you can get when you sell .. Of cos it also means the price will never drop n can even appreciate as long as u do not sell .. Someone said money is a very funny medium. Converting money to things is easy but converting things back to money is difficult (especially if you want to get back the same amount ... )

See your point but think the difference n sense of urgency needed is different here as the war is not occurring on putin's backyard; his country was not being devastated n he was the dominant aggressor .. Even Trump was embarrassed when the press found him hiding in the bunker when protests were occurring at the White House n had to hastily make up an excuse that he was ahem .. not hiding but was rather doing a special inspection of the bunker .. hoho