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Your words, you can "think" what you want, it's meaningless.

The point is, Delta is dominant everywhere except SA, Botswana and HK up to early November and still is in UK and most all countries, so UK's is no different than DK, Austria, etc with Delta infections and deaths, but UK may have more deaths and infections as leaky vaccines and waning VE are taking place. Look at the curves the past 12 months or from June (delta), SA had primarily Delta and managed much better with much lower vaccine rates than UK and most of Europe. That is the point that you try to ignore but is fact based now. Vaccines don't prevent infections and illness despite what you think now, hope is now this 3rd dose booster idea does not <deleted> out after 3 months as well. Omicron, despite evading mRNA injections seems milder in symptoms and illness. Time will tell, but to sit here and gaslight that UK is having to deal with Delta as an excuse for their mismanaged covid management strategies and low VE vaccines and out of control infection rates in vaxxed and unvaxxed is intellectually incoherent when the entire globe has delta as the predominate variant. You are intent on creating confusion for others here, nothing more. And the other comment about UK data "handling" compared to SA is another laughable attempt of yours to deflect and obfuscate. 555, so I laugh now.

Can you clarify and back up this claim as I find it dubious and baseless. Furthermore data is managed and presented, not "handled", but since you mentioned it, here's a example of misleading data Until 1st case of omicron identified in SA in early November, Delta was the primary variant in SA and most countries and responsible for the vast majority of covid infections and deaths up to now (only one reported know death reported by BBC in the UK: "died with omicron"). There may be more deaths due to omicron variant but not widely published yet.

You were saying about some "big hole". Vaccinations Rates: UK is 69% fully vaccinated, S Africa is 26% fully vaccinated but Covid Death Rates: UK's covid death rate is > 4 times the death rate in S Africa. In summation, what we have are countries with high vaccination rates with increasing death rates and new covid infections which are both outpacing S Africa's (low vaccine rate-26%) death rates and infection rates. The vaccines are struggling and failing now. There is no other explanation. UK's daily new covid infections are more than double that of SA. and Denmark's daily infection rate is almost 4 times that of SA infection rate. (as of Dec 13/21)

You lost me on this.

Ok, so what about some of the studies addressing the NI impact. "This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer-lasting and stronger protection against infection," Maybe it's not emphatically know which provides better immunity yet. And maybe the SA situation will shed some light on this issue. I'll end with this: "The evidence is strong that the fully vaccinated can become infected, colonize, and transmit the virus—particularly heavy loads of virus. This opens the door for an unvaccinated person with a fully intact functional immune system to be potentially overwhelmed by a massive viral load from the vaccinated. The vaccine has failed against Delta; disregarding the vaccinated as a source of pathogen and spread could be catastrophic."

"Evidence is building that immunity from Covid-19 infection is at least as strong as that from vaccination. Scientists are divided on the implications for vaccine policy." CONCLUSIONS Protection from reinfection decreases with time since previous infection, but is, nevertheless, higher than that conferred by vaccination with two doses at a similar time since the last immunity-conferring event. A single vaccine dose after infection helps to restore protection. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.04.21267114v1 I am unsure, but there are some who have tried to show NI benefits. As for SA and UK they are indeed very unique cases but I can see that delta is crippling vaccinated countries like UK whereas omicron is spreading fast in unvaccinated locations with no major illness or CFR. So, this warrants attention from the covid experts. The developments in SA may be very critical in the understanding and the evolution of the covid pandemic and steps which may prove beneficial. It's all about solving the problem.

I don't understand what they're alluding to here, unless they're implying young are less impacted by omicron. This is the part that has peaked my curiosity as this may be the beginning of natural immunity against covid, at least this variant and the pandemic becomes endemic and life goes on just with another nuisance flu being the end result. I have NO hesitation stating that the current vaccines will accomplish very little now or going forward to beat down covid and I am looking forward to new and improved 2nd generation vaccines and other medical treatments.

Not many countries have high rates of omicron at this time. Many Euro countries are besieged with Delta or other variants BUT not omicron. The vaccines were not designed for delta and subsequent variants (AFAIK) and thus doing little to stem the current rising infections in countries with high vaccination rates.. We know now that AZ vaccine offers little or no protection now after 100 days, mRNA offer ~ 30% protection and now they claim 70% protection after 3rd shot/booster.

SA situation is one to be studied if you are interested. They have practical experience dealing with illness and virus's. They are at 100% omicron cases now with no discernible crisis in illness, hospitalizations, deaths due to covid. The situation in Europe is devolving despite herd immunity levels of vaccination rates although experts may not all agree on the way forward in that dept now.

Covid/vaccines

Summer, winter, yeah and so? But, then we factor in NI, omicron, and....anything else? I'd say we need vaccines that work in winter & summer, like the all season variety. Whatever time you get up in the morning will need to be a lot earlier to get me.

Show some proof then.

SA has 100% omicron cases now and <.3 of new covid case infections of DK where < .5% of covid infections are omicron. Similar scenario in UK with about double infection rate of SA and <2% omicron case rates. It's obvious the vaccines are suck-holing with delta infection in Europe and many other locations and SA may just be gaing traction with NI against the weaker omicron. But, you despise me for sharing my thoughts here when you share nothing but criticism and gaslight everything you don't like. You need to get a life. There, say your sorry and that you have manged to learn something.

Here, as I said previously, read my postings, check the links, and stop gaslighting, you are embarrassing yourself.

Countries with highest prevalence of omicron variant have a fraction of infections of countries with little or no omicron, ie, Suisse, have a look, but delta or another variant.. If you want anybody to believe anything you claim you need to show some proof of your feeble gaslighting attempts.

you need to learn how to read and acknowledge the message's intent and then refrain from gaslighting when you don't like and cannot accept the truth. Your game is getting old. Interesting what this Madhi postulates (vaccine expert Shabir Madhi of the University of the Witwatersrand,) he said emerging evidence pointed to the fact that Omicron was both more infectious and more able to evade antibody protection, he suggested other mechanisms at work in acquired immunity through infection could explain the lower levels of hospitalizations and severe illness. Although UK vaccination rate is 2.7 times that of S Africa, new (7 day/M) UK covid infections and deaths are double and quadruple that of S Africa making a good case for the benefits of natural immunity coupled with waning abysmal performance after 3 months of the vaccines including AZ and mRNA varieties. Looks like SA is in better shape than the UK due to the possible deleterious effects of poor efficacy and performance of AZ, moderna and pfizer. UK's Boris J is placing his hopes on 3rd shot booster injections (untested, no safety data). Perhaps UK's predicament (After accomplishing one of the quickest and most universal vaccination drives, the U.K. now has more cases than it did during last winter's wave when nobody was vaccinated.) can be attributed to the under performing experimental jabs, especially AZ's poor VE when R-SA unvaxxed and naturally immune are the ticket now.

Could be why Denmark at ~77% fully vaccinated are getting hammered again, the covid vaccines will set you free....just not the mediocre leaky vaccines currently in use... Hows that for strawman/baseless assertions. Probably just flu season kicking off.

Interesting what this Madhi postulates (vaccine expert Shabir Madhi of the University of the Witwatersrand,) he said emerging evidence pointed to the fact that Omicron was both more infectious and more able to evade antibody protection, he suggested other mechanisms at work in acquired immunity through infection could explain the lower levels of hospitalizations and severe illness. Although UK vaccination rate is 2.7 times that of S Africa, new (7 day/M) UK covid infections and deaths are double and quadruple that of S Africa making a good case for the benefits of natural immunity coupled with waning abysmal performance after 3 months of the vaccines including AZ and mRNA varieties. Looks like SA is in better shape than the UK due to the possible deleterious effects of poor efficacy and performance of AZ, moderna and pfizer. UK's Boris J is placing his hopes on 3rd shot booster injections (untested, no safety data). Perhaps UK's predicament (After accomplishing one of the quickest and most universal vaccination drives, the U.K. now has more cases than it did during last winter's wave when nobody was vaccinated.) can be attributed to the under performing experimental jabs, especially AZ's poor VE when R-SA unvaxxed and naturally immune are the ticket now. I see some European countries are now seeing omicron infections primarily in the vaccinated, notably Denmark.

Have your colleagues and friends suffering from long covid been vaccinated? Have they recovered?

Most infections are described as mild, with recoveries usually within three days, he said. The most common early symptom reported is a scratchy throat, followed by nasal congestion, a dry cough and myalgia, or aches, manifesting in lower back pain.

Have you checked what your public IP address is, as you may still be connected to the VPN tunnel without knowing it. Also, check your DNS settings. Do an IP check that shows both your IP address and DNS resolver. That might supply some clues. Also, what VPN protocol u lasted connected...wireguard by any chance and what computer mac or PC? What vpn service did you use?

Although more resistant to the two-dose Pfizer-BioNTech, omicron appears to cause less severe illness than earlier variants of the coronavirus as reported by Discovery Health in South Africa. I have not seen any death stats for omicron except for the recent death "with" omicron reported in the UK and the WHO (not the band) now warning of a surge in omicron deaths which is spreading at an unprecedented rate.

Apparently not terribly troubling. “a new poll from CBS News and YouGov found that of 1,731 people surveyed, 81 percent said they have not rearranged plans because of the Omicron variant or the hype surrounding it… Only 17 percent of those surveyed said they were “very concerned about Omicron,” while about 42 percent said they were not concerned at all about Omicron despite the initial media and bureaucracy-induced panic about it.” As of Dec 10 the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that of the 43 people infected with the Omicron strain of COVID, most cases manifested only mild symptoms such as “a cough, fatigue, and congestion or a runny nose.”

CDC director says "omicron variant cases in US are mostly mild so far....More than three-quarters of those patients had been vaccinated, and a third had boosters, Walensky said. Boosters take about two weeks to reach full effect, and some of the patients had received their most recent shot within that period, CDC officials said. https://www.adn.com/nation-world/2021/12/08/cdc-director-says-omicron-variant-cases-in-us-are-mostly-mild-so-far/ Seems irrelevant now who is spreading covid/omicron at a higher rate as no one (vaxxed or unvaxxed) is immune from it or protected from transmission, and with waning protection and now vaccine resistant covid mutations in Europe and N.A. the problem should be obvious by now to those fixated on pushing their anti-vaxer narrative.