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1 Living permanently in Thailand and receive and remit a pension 2 For the 2024 Thai tax year, I will become a tax resident here at midnight 28 June 3 Prior to that time I am a not a Thai tax resident 4 So pension receipts remitted to Thailand before that time are not assessable income here 5 Such remittances after 28 June are assessable income 6 Allowances of 60 + 190 + 100 = 350,000THB are available for this tax year 7 There is no mention of those allowances being pro-rata for part of the year, so all available 8 The full allowances exceed my expected full aged pension 29 June to 31 December 9 So no Thai tax is payable for 2024 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - My Double Tax Agreement says:- “…... pensions and annuities paid to a resident of one of the Contracting States shall be taxable only in that State.” And I read “resident ……” as “Thai tax resident” - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Offered in good faith and hope it will be helpful to many

Final post - In Conclusion 1 Thanks UbonJoe as always for answering the question 2 Pity those IT wizards can’t see the fields to be completed on their own form 3 I am now the proud owner of TWO 90day receipts (with different due dates) after a 200km round trip 4 All things were created in 7 days but Thailand is obviously special when they needed 8 days for their confirmation. 5 Immigration say the delay was due to: “Bangkok had a data overload problem on 6 December. They have to get data from all over Thailand you know.” I’m calling BS on that. 6 To all the smarties on here I wish you the best of the Thai Immigration garbage!

Despite posts on this forum about how easy & fast the on-line 90 day report is via https://tm47.immigration.go.th/tm47/#/login It is just more typical Immigration garbage The auto fill form makes no provision to complete:- 1 ”Written at” 2 Cross in the visa type box 3 Arrival Card No (which I do have – no need to tell me it is unnecessary) 4 How on earth do you sign it? Or is the signature space they auto-fill with your written name OK? Checked their instruction video. The very end shows (a very quick flash of) a form with these glitches Tried to check why status is still “pending” into the 3rd day – yes 3rd day for all those lucky people who say theirs is approved in minutes. Called the number on their instruction website 02 141 7881 No Answer Called 1178 Waited forever & gave up Called 1111 Some women with the worst English gave me gibberish and “no I can’t check” and “have to wait for 3 days” I wonder could this delay be part of the latest and greatest crackdown on all those horrible criminal farangs who are wanted but NOT! Any helpful comments on form filling items 1 to 4 for my next attempt appreciated. Othewise this is just info for members who may be affected.

For what it is worth Here is some real experience with the Visa Exempt to Non O Retirement lunacy Starting from Visa Exempt extended to 16/7/22 (Sat) … Non O application lodged 10/6/22. Rejected. Insisted on 800k THB deposit. 7 prior months of transfers over 65k THB + over 400k bank balance refused – contrary to item 7 of TM87 Requirements (Combo method allowed) Non O application lodged again with 800k THB bank deposit 20/6/22 – 26 days before Visa Exempt expiry (Local office required min 20 days) Told to come back 18/7/22. Received Under Consideration stamp on receipt House inspection by Immig Police 21/6/22 who demanded 3, yes three, witnesses fill more forms + heaps of photos. I always understood this was for marriage related visas, mine is just simple retirement as it has been for 20+ years. Posted AsianNow topic 10/7/22 when stressed re looming overstay after 16/7/22 visa expiry. Responses reassured me no overstay issue Phoned immigration 11/7/22 (Mon) & was told Visa not ready yet … come here 18 or 19 July will be OK & no overstay problem as it is “in the process” Went to immig 18/7/22 7 received the Non O Visa by way of 5 (yes 5 stamps as attached). They state the visa was approved on 30/6/22 and expires 28/9/22. AND I was told to come again on 11/9/22 when they will give me the forms they require, complete the 1 year extension application and do my 90 day report So … 1 Immigration lied 11/7/22 when they told me the visa was not ready. It was approved 11 days ago! 2 I was short changed on the Non O duration. 16/7/22 (Exempt expiry) to 28/9/22 is only 74 days. In reply to my query, “My Capitan” as they call her insisted 90 days from 30/6/22 approval is correct. I will try to attach the 5 stamps including #2 and 5 in Thai so I have no idea what they are about. My Conclusion: NEVER recommend this process to anyone unless they plan to use a larger (BKK/tourist area) immigration office who might(?) know & follow the rules. AND they are staying near that office. Otherwise, like me, they will risk 7 visits to immigration, home inspection, costs of over 10,000THB, including over 1000km travel, etc and much associated stress due to crazy procedures & language issues which I have no time to detail here. Attach: 220720peim Visa Exempt to NonO Stamps 220720peim Visa Exempt to NonO Stamps.pdf

Replies n follow up including thanks ……………………….. Resident Alien Thanks. You are right about dealing with Immig as “that’s the way they work” Still amazing it has taken me more than 20 years to uncover this cute unwritten rule when “under consideration” Sometimewoodworker Thanks. Luckily I did ask for their number. Ranong is 077 826 938 #110 (but the #110 was not needed My prior guess that I would find local Immig Tel & email on their website was a big fail! When I called today (11/7) I was answered and passed to a lady with great English. Probably from Burma. I will follow you advice and ring first to save wasting a 160km round trip She confirmed not overstay while “in the process” Old Croc Amazing it has taken me over 20 years here to discover this new piece of lunacy However you notes appreciated Brit Tim Thanks. I liked your “will surface at some point” That will probably be 1 month since my application was lodged. Recon I could almost walk to Hat Yai & back in a month! Guess they don’t do SMS next day …. or work most days! Consistent advice from many has relieved my stress DJ54 Thanks. Yes it is always the fear/stress factor at renewal time. I have always done my retirement extensions at least a week before the due date and over 20 years had about a 50/50 clear run rate. The old Soi SuanPlu bunfight gave me best success rate although I HATED the waiting etc -------------------------------------------------- Once again many thanks to all who took the time to reply with their knowledge & experience. I am now resigned to waiting till whenever. This was only my 3rd post but I have watched the forum for years and thankfully found many useful contributions – especially with the insanity prevailing during my recent 2 year exile from Thailand Cheers All

PS My experience with Ranong is that they don't do "normally" The reference number says I am number 5/65 applicant for this year! Must be in the wrong place

Many thanks UJ. Always respect your advice Therefore I will still try 11 & 12 July but expect to receive the Non O in person 18/7 Being illegal by any measure is stressful to me Don't you think Immigration could be more careful with their dates ... eg stamping as the last available working day rather than weekends / holidays Uncle Too's grand (money grab) holiday 15 July also relates! Cheers

Maybe ... The under consideration stamp is on the receipt not in my passport

I write hoping for reliable advice from UbonJoe / Dr Jack re looming visa overstay issue 1 Facts: Australian, Entered visa exempt 18/5 & extended to 16/7 Lodged Non O Retirement application 20/6 and their required 20 days notice ends today 10/7. Under consideration stamp on my receipt says come to immigration 16/7 (next Sat) – verbally told to come 18/7. But I never trust verbal with them. In any case 18/7 will be 2 days overstay, and a) I have never overstayed in my prior 20+ years in Thailand, and b) I sure don’t want a related black mark in my passport or future problems. Assumption: When I go to Immigration & ask for my visa Mon 11/7 or Tue 12/7 they will likely say mai mee / not ready. Then they are closed 13 to 17 July. Therefore, I have to leave Thailand by 16/7 BY AIR and start the whole Visa Exempt to Non O Retirement BS over again. Correct? If you consider they might(?) waive the overstay because they are closed, is there a regulation reference for this or is it IO “discretion” and can I insist on something to that effect in writing? -------------------------------------------------------- Related: 2 They made me sign a NEW form to agree not to overstay with my application 3 I am in Ranong so thought of a Visa Run to the Andaman Club but the hotel staff told me not possible as Burma Immig closed to foreigners – only for Thais! In any case that would only give me 15 days Visa Exempt? 4 Apparently Ranong Immigration have to refer to Hat Yai for approvals. 5 I found the Immigration help line 1178 beyond hopeless – couldn’t understand Visa Exempt! Many thanks for any help.

Thanks BritTim Yes from a country with a useless embassy I get it now: Encourage visa exempt, make 800k in bank effectively the only transition to Non O That will catch a good % of those entries and kachung for “agents” Someone must have helped them develop this clever scam in their TM87 requirements

Anyone had success moving from visa exempt to Non O retirement using the combined income + bank balance method That method is allowed by item 7 of items 5,6,7 on the list at https://www.immigration.go.th/en/?page_id=2537 And then https://www.immigration.go.th/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/9.FOR-RETIREMENT-PURPOSES-50-YEARS-OLD-NON-O.pdf and my small local office has variations of items 5,6,7 on “their list” but they only want 800k I tried, crashed & burned with 900k transfers to Thailand in last 12 months – 7 of those months more than 65k and bank balance now over 400k Any members succeeded this transition to Non O using the combination method? Asking before I consider appealing (in the short time remaining – 8 days)