Chigur

Who knows this exchange might inspire the poor fellow and years from now this vid will go viral as PM of 2022 serves current PM.

Serious question: Is it legal to have sex on a condo balcony? High floor so nothing to see from the street. From high rises in the vicinity maybe, especially with a telephoto lens.

2 hours ago, Credo said:

His cars maybe self-driving, but his companies are not.  

I wouldn't go near a self-driving car. I've worked in the field. Yes, vision is 360 but there are edge case scenarios a car may see that AI can't interpret but a (sober)  human can. The lawyers on the team make more than the designers when it comes to autonomous vehicles.

3 minutes ago, heybruce said:

The "American think tank" quoted Gorbachev.  That's no lie.  Putin lied about promises he said were made to Gorbachev.  Yet you want us to take Putin at his word.  There's that Russian troll stuff again.

 

What happened in Georgia and Ukraine are the reason why so many countries want to join NATO.  If Russia wanted to stop NATO expansion it should have stopped threatening other countries.

 

Why no sources for your other claims?  Were the claims wrong, or just irrelevant statements taken wildly out of context?

 

 

Now you are blathering. Let's call this off. I am not going to spend Friday night with heybruce:-) As much as I am sure you don't want to spend it with chigur. We'll joust again on another thread. Good night to you, sir.

3 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Provide sources for your claims and "I'll see if to revise my conclusion that you are an empty head filled with someone else's tendentious narrative."

 

I will refute your second most absurd claim ("Other stuff" is the most absurd.)  Gorbachev refuted claim 3.  There was no commitment to not expand NATO.  https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2014/11/06/did-nato-promise-not-to-enlarge-gorbachev-says-no/

I like that:-) Quoting an American think tank to endorse the American pov.

Ok, I'll play. Let's say Gorbachev said what he did. But who was running Russia in 2007? Putin. And he drew the line that Georgia and Ukraine are off-limits to Nato as far as he was concerned.

So that's the reality to deal with. The man running the country with the nuclear buttons under his table declares what he sees as a threat to his country's security. Take him for his word.

Don't and you get what happened in Georgia in 2008 and Ukraine now.

Oh, and I would like to point out we have done exactly the same in reaction to perceived threats to our security, i.e., invade a sovereign nation: see Iraq for a recent example.

6 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Could you be any more of a pro-Russian troll?

Ah, they say patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel. Permit me to paraphrase. Accusation of being pro-Russian is the last refuge of the halfwit with no real argument.

5 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

But as its way off topic, should leave it at that

Right, let's get back to topic.

All those who don't think Joe is all there say "aye". Those that do recite the alphabet backward to prove you are below the legal limit.

Dang, the thread was so much fun when we were on topic, Joe and Jill. But now it's all gloomy about famine and racism and Nazis. Shoot.

7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Zelensky being a jew, with his grand parents murdered by nazis in the holocaust forgive me when i call that total B/S.

A Jewish person who toes the Banderite line - I told you the man's still a comic.

But, seriously, whatever his antecedents, his is a party that idolizes Bandera. But as I've said before the man's riding a tiger he can't get off. I don't know what his personal views are but the people whose bidding he's doing are a nasty lot.

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Just did  websearch and Churchill doesn't seem to have said that , so you really shouldnt attribute a made up quote to him 

Read about the Great Bengal Famine and what Churchill did to cause it and what he said about Indian people.

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Who would say it still is?

 

Zelensky.

From Lawyer To Comedian To Politician To War Hero

That last part is comedy gold right there.

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

If you want movie stars and TV reality stars then so be it. Biden is a senator with decades of experience.

You do know that the current "great world leader" was a TV comic.

I do agree with your second assertion. Man's done a lot and was great VP. But he's way past his sell-by date.

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Like Reagan?

You got me there. Man was a charmer though. All those vids of him telling funny stories. He and Bush II had that "Hey, let's have a beer together" vibe. Joe's a cutout. There's nothing there.

This is great news. T1 and T2 were terrific and then the studios gave the franchise to other directors and T3 on were 'orrible. In fact, there was a YT vid of Cameron saying about T3 that he was "just a fan like everybody else and had nothing to do with making the movie." You could see what he meant.

9 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

The Zelensky who's wildly popular in Ukraine? That Zelensky?

Bush's approval rating start of the Iraq war was +80%. People rally around wartime leaders. As they should. But this doesn't mean much. I stand by my assertion that he's a stooge.

18 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

As it happened: Zelensky tells Congress Ukraine will never surrender

And then he added in a low voice "As long as you keep sending money" and then he started to giggle.