ChicagoExpat

6 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

Humiliated, discredited and disrespected by a bunch of old geeks living in Thailand on the cheap with their soi 6 giks… whatever shall I do? 

You can say it doesn't matter to you that you get eviscerated here, but it obviously does.

6 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Oh, I’m so bruised and battered… 

If you had said instead "Humiliated, discredited, and universally disrespected" you'd have been correct for the first time in this thread.

11 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

Nah. I never argue with a fool in case I sink down to his level.

And yet, here you are arguing, though with someone who has proved you wrong every single time.  So the very definition of fool is... you.

Wow, what a beating you take in this forum.  All for your fact-free defense of a murderous dictator.

23 minutes ago, Excogitator said:

You are the only one arguing here (he said while arguing) 🤣.. and I don't waste my time on brainwashed fanatics.

 

Either you get it,  or you don't.

You don't.

And that's your loss..

 

I'm both refuting your arguments and not fitting the mold you want me to fit, so you run.  I'm the one with the nuanced view of the conflict, seeing fault on many sides, and I'M the "brainwashed fanatic."  You see things only from a pro-Palestinian point of view, and are totally ignorant of the actual history of this conflict and the region, and YOU "get it."

If you can't handle it when someone politely challenges something you said, as I initially did, and you make up lies about what I said and after several posts it's clear you haven't the least idea what you're talking about... JUST SHUT UP.

42 minutes ago, Excogitator said:

An extremely simple-minded view and outlook, completely of touch..

It is literally in Hamas' charter.  Here are a few relevant quotes and I stop at Article 11.  Check them out yourself if you think I took them out of context:
 

Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it

The Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinguished Palestinian movement, whose allegiance is to Allah, and whose way of life is Islam. It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine

The Islamic Resistance Movement is one of the links in the chain of the struggle against the Zionist invaders. It goes back to 1939, to the emergence of the martyr Izz al-Din al Kissam and his brethren the fighters, members of Moslem Brotherhood.  (For the simple among us -- @Excogitator – this was before the creation of Israel.)

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.”

This is the law governing the land of Palestine in the Islamic Sharia (law) and the same goes for any land the Moslems have conquered by force, because during the times of (Islamic) conquests, the Moslems consecrated these lands to Moslem generations till the Day of Judgement.  (For the simple among us -- @Excogitator – this means any land once conquered by Islam, belongs to Islam in perpetuity.)

15 minutes ago, Excogitator said:

Imbalanced is pointing your finger in only one direction, which is what you, and some other posters in here do; Palestinians/Muslims = bad, Israel = good..

Ah, that's literally NOT what I did and I LITERALLY SAID, several times, that the situation is complex and many factors -- INCLUDING Israelis and their attitudes -- were the issue.

Look, man, if you're going to argue with me, please don't flat out lie.  Which is really dumb because anyone can read what I wrote.

>>I too think that someday there should be a Palestinian state...and that cancer is not just hardened Israeli attitudes.  Far worse, or at a minimum equally worse, are Palestinian attitudes, Hamas, and Hamas' patron, Iran.

1 hour ago, Tropicalevo said:

Of course Ireland supports Palestine.

Both countries harbour terrorists.

Same Same.

But not even the IRA carried out something like October 7.

2 hours ago, Excogitator said:

In other words, there is an overwhelming international support and recognition for and of a Palestinian state.

This really needs to be qualified.  I too think that someday there should be a Palestinian state but also believe that now is 100% NOT the time to do it.  It DOES reward Hamas -- saying anything else is an obvious untruth, and practically speaking... there's nothing to recognize.  Who would run this "state", where the controllers of half the territory are corrupt, incompetent and ineffectual and controllers of the other half are quite literally bloodthirsty murderers (who wiped out representatives of Fatah in a brutal purge)?  It's sadly hilarious that pretty much EVERYTHING Hamas stands for, and SO MUCH Palestinians would choose to make the law of their land, would be anathema to Irish and EU values.

15 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

You don’t seem to understand the difference between a claim and a fact.

 

Fact:

- there is a conflict going on between Russia and Ukraine

 

Claim:

- Putin has been very clear that he wants a vassal state if not outright absorption into Russia

 

Unlike you, I won’t stoop to personal insults. I’ll leave that for the haters.

I literally just posted the dates and places of the invasions and direct interventions by Putin.  If something is not correct, the way to argue against it is to show it's incorrect, not run and hide.

Insults?  There were none.  You clearly ARE an ignoramus on the subject and your reply confirmed that -- you were apparently unaware of all the other invasions of which Russia's "SMO" 🤣  is just the latest in the pattern.  If I argue with you about something I know nothing about but you are well-versed, I wouldn't cry if you said I was an ignoramus on the subject.  I'd shut up and slink away... which in retrospect is I guess what you did in your last post.

17 minutes ago, LS24 said:

Does the common sense concern you? There is a distinct lack of it in this thread and on vast number of threads here in general.

Common sense?  I do see opinions.  So, no -- "common sense" doesn't concern me.  I'm commenting on Lou's proclivity to come into a thread and respond to 10 people in a row, often in unnecessarily insulting terms.

1 hour ago, Gweiloman said:

As if you know anything about Russia. Care to share your credentials?

 

I have been following international and geopolitical matters for many years now. Nowhere have I seen credible evidence of your wild claims except on western msm which has a very clear anti Global South/Majority agenda.

 

It really amazes me that in spite of what’s happened all over the world the past 2-3 decades that some people still believe that countries like the US want global peace and a just, fair and equitable world. It really shows the power of narrative, especially on less intelligent and gullible folks.

I certainly know more than you.  If not from living there 2019-2022 then from, you know, actually reading something other than Russian agitprop.

“Credible evidence of wild claims”?  Creation of the fake country of Transdniestra in 1990 (granted, before Putin but supported since then by him, along with the fake vote in 2006).  Invasion of Georgia in 2008 and the creation of two fake new countries out of Georgian territory.  Three invasions of Ukraine by Russia – hostile takeover of Crimea in 2014, war in Donbass, full invasion in 2022.  None of this is an invention of "western msm" -- it's all an invention of Russia.  No one disputes these events, Gweiloman.  Except you, because you are an ignoramus on this subject.

It's incredible that you claim I know nothing about Russia, and yet you and your simp friends are ignorant of even basic facts.

1 hour ago, Gweiloman said:

It shouldn’t be forced on Ukraine. It would simply have been the best way forward, unless you think Ukraine is better today and tomorrow than it was before the SMO?

"SMO"?  Are you kidding?  You just lost whatever credibility you had.

🤡

14 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

And the USA does?  I don't think vassalage was on the table at all, but I think implementing the 2014 accords would have avoided all this. It's too late now, and Ukraine is lost. Watch this space.

If NATO gets involved, your kids and grandkids will have no future. It will be WW3. I think this is very close, and China will join Russia, India, etc. This is almost unthinkable but possible, unfortunately. 

Be careful what you wish for.

Ah, yes, the earnest peace proponent who just deplores all this violence... whose aims and solutions to the crisis just happen to align perfectly with the Kremlin's.

What I wish for?  All I'm wishing for is for Russia to stop invading its neighbors and creating fake new countries as a way of punishing them for, you know, having their own opinions.

Putin has been very clear that he wants a vassal state if not outright absorption into Russia, and, again, for someone who claims to understand what's happening there, it's surprising you don't know this.