mangkut70

Gosh who fed the troll(s)? Literally PAGES filled with mindless non related bickering within a few hours.

I hope you realize how many alarm bells are ringing here—yet again. Is it worth all the stress? If even half of what you've said about yourself (age, looks, relative affluence…) is true, there are probably thousands of girls in the region who'd happily take the deal, settle down with you without all the drama and bs, hoping for a good life as a farang's wifey. You can stay a 'good catch' well past 60 or 70, but for PG the clock is ticking. Traditionally, if an Asian girl is not married by her mid-20s, the train left. So, if she's serious about settling down, getting married, and having kids, it's high time to make it happen. Has PG been married before? Maybe just a temple ceremony locally, without registering officially at the amphoe?

Don’t let her land get in the way with your own decision-making. Beside the most likely problematic proximity to the family - there is - a good chance its just some farmland somewhere nowhere (no electric, water, road etc.) – a good chance its not for free but actually encumbered with a mortgage, the chanote is held by the bank as collateral , and you are the chosen lucky guy to pay off the loan before building a house for her family.

Its a nice laid back place indeed, with an airport, good hospitals , great food. And you can just purchase a condo on your name there instead of building a house on land you don't own. well, looks like financially , in compare to the 1000 thb you allegedly spent on her during a whole month, we have a winner. So does she expect you to take care about all of them including the kids? Or does the sister have a job and provides for her kids and parents too? Be prepared that extented family might be much bigger. new uncles and aunties have the habbit of popping up even after years 😁

very possible. but you never know. it might work just fine if he is able and willing to fork out the required amount of money for her and the family.

It's almost a month since she came back to you? I'm sure you keep track of the expenditures. So, what’s the bill for month one? sick buffalos or other emergencies yet? Mom lives at Sisaket town or just somewhere nowhere rural in the province? Is it really just the mother? normally there will be tons of aunts, uncles, siblings, cousins etc. around - some of them definitely trying to leech. The moment she gets her hook into a farang she will be perceived as the richest person in her family and everybody will come to her if they need something. So, I would recommend to look for a nice place far away from the rest of the family so they can't bother you... travel the land, you will find some spots you (both) like. Personally, I like Sirindhorn area and some places along Mun river and Mekong. A bigger city like Ubon R. also got its perks. For instance a better chance to find work for her.

Now that's a relief. I wasn't sure if what I was experiencing for the last few months was just normal frustration with Germany or a midlife crisis...

Define “Thai”. The whole area was a melting pot for centuries. How many proud Thais in the central plains, looking down at Isaan, are in fact of Chinese descent, maybe third or fourth generation?! Not even talking about south Chinese origin of most of the Tai/Dai people, migrating to nowadays Thailand during 12th century or so. There has been quite a bit of Isaan- or Isaan-girl bashing going on here. Personally, I love this area: It's more down to earth, less developed, rawer in a way. Love the food (personally I think its better than usual Thai) , the landscape, the night-sky countryside, the people, the culture, the artistry and beauty of survival under sometimes harsh circumstances. But always with a smile. Nothing better than a sun rise at the banks of the Mekong. Can't remember a place I was welcomed more, warmly, open, tolerant, despite I am a foreigner, don't even speak the language ( a bit of Thai, can read etc but don't speak Isaan/Lao...yet). I travelled a lot while I lived and worked in SEA. Wild mix of experiences with cultures (and girls) around the whole region, some of the girls p4p, most not. Many decent ladies and marriage material. But funny enough in the end it was a girl from Isaan when it really 'clicked'. Obviously, something about this area and mentality is resonating very strongly with me (and some others as well I guess) Living in Germany now for more than a decade left marks...sometimes missus behaves more German than the Germans. Its high time to return to the Mekong...

Not a bad idea if you don’t really trust your partner and don’t have kids. I chose a different path and don’t have any problem with the fact that all the Thai property is in my wife’s name. I didn’t even try to get my name on any paperwork. She also kept her Thai name (actually, this made things a lot easier when she inherited some land from her father and had to transfer it into her name). After more than 20 years together, knowing she has always stood by my side when life got difficult, she would bloody well deserve every last baht of it in the unlikely event we ever broke up. We have two kids...in the end it’s just heritage for them anyway.

So he used his phone(s) to record? Just on a technical level.. how to record video SECRETLY with a phone? Or did he have kind of bluetooth cameras connected ? If it was secretly how did she know? Sounds all somehow improbable. I remember you posted a bedroom picture of PG (or some other girl) here. she agreed you take it? she agreed you post it?

Actually it is quite annoying how you highjack the thread now already for pages with your personal and unrelated bickering.

Thanks for the OP! Absolutely agree! I consider myself lucky I still got to know the pre-millennium Pattaya. Though when I visited first mid 1990ies expats told me already how much better it apparently was in the 1980ies. I loved the time before the opening hours were restricted. 24/7 business; people waking up early and going out for breakfast would still meet the ppl from the previous night sitting at the bars. My first experience with the girls was absolutely sweet. A true darling from one of the beer bars, showing me all the markets, the food, the fruits, teaching me some thai and insisting I stay with her at her room because „hotel room expensive and food not good“. Nowadays I rather avoid the place for all the stated reasons. But it’s not just Pattaya, changes sadly also happened to other nightlife spots in the region, some reasons apply to all (internet, hand phones, social media, dating apps - change of mentality) some are specific (political, crackdowns etc.) Thinking about Phnom Penh, AC, Surabaya etc., some places are gone completely. Wondering how Patty will look in ten years.

How incidental it is in your case—you can easily figure it out if you stop paying. (To be fair—stop paying only everything exceeding normal daily needs.) I think a lot in this thread comes down to the difference between cultures and how relationships are seen. While morality in Western cultures is rather black/white/good/bad, defined by the ideology of the Catholic Church, cultures in Asia took a rather different path. Instead of “sex is sin” and romantic Minnesang, there are many grey tones—and many things seem to have a far more pragmatic and materialistic approach. A very formative and educational 2 year relationship started for me a while after I moved to Asia for work. I was about 30 and met this Chinese lady at a function, a friend of an acquaintance. She was a couple of years younger, looked stunning in her qipao, spoke good English, and was fun to chat with. Turned out she studied hotel management at one of the large hotels in the area. Determined, ambitious aims. We met up another couple of times and baaang—there was her first very pragmatic offer: She apparently had problems with her dormitory and wanted to move out. She came straight to the point: “Can I move in with you?” Hmm, I loved my single life and had just ended a sex-driven relationship with a very intense Indian lady because she started to hang her dresses in my wardrobe. Anyway, this Chinese girl seemed decent enough, alluring, so to my own surprise I said, “OK, but in my apartment there is only one double bed.” She smiled. Apparently, I was her first. The start was rather delicate, but then the first weeks were amazing. I could not wish for a better girlfriend. I drove her to her school, picked her up whenever possible, introduced her to my friends and colleagues, went out for nice meals, concerts, theater etc. — no warning signs at all. Pure happiness, marriage material. But then the transactional phase started. Sometime—while cleaning—she found my pay slips and then knew exactly how much I earned. Expectations grew. Mostly expensive cosmetics (SK-II was very popular at the time), brand clothes, bags, etc. Of course, I already paid all daily expenditures and was fine with it—she being a student and me the earner. But expensive branded stuff on a regular basis? I did not like it but went along, mostly because of laziness, avoiding confrontation, keeping harmony. Having a live-in girlfriend had its perks: she did the chores, sex was great, life was comfortable, she was good company, and I genuinely liked her. And I could afford it. But with time, money got more and more important for her. She mentioned friends of hers, also in the hotel management class, who by now had Chinese sugar daddies, receiving high allowances, expensive gifts, even a car. I told her straight away she was free to go look for better options. She stayed. Over the months more details came to light. She had already worked for several years in Beijing as an F&B manager at an exclusive golf club—hence the expensive taste. Apparently, she met someone there who liked her and sponsored her studies. He was already married, treated her like a daughter, so no option. She always maintained she had never slept with anybody before me. I did not really care, but it seemed important to her. In the end I agreed to a monthly allowance/salary (about 400 USD at the time) so she had her own money. She, on the other hand, became moodier and bossier by the day, even misbehaving during a (not easy to arrange) trip to Germany, to introduce her to my parents. At the latest from this moment I knew that I had been wrong with my first assessment re marriage material. It did not last long after that. Her studies finished, so did her visa. She probably was waiting for me to marry her, or at least pay for further studies. But I did not, so she had to leave the country. Elegant solution. Crocodile tears at the airport. In the aftermath I talked to a mutual Chinese friend about all this. He told me how devastated she was about the breakup. When I told him about all the problems and that I had warned her many times regarding the bad and bossy behaviour, he said: “Chinese women are often strong and want control. You gave her all those gifts and the allowance. For her that was affirmation you love her.” Money = Love , Boom. all my fault then 🙄 Just a reminder how different things can look from a different cultural perspective.

I agree, fair enough, but I think this puts quite a bit of pressure on you to appear as best option. How long can you keep this up? Where are the financial red lines? for your objective situation it makes very little difference how PG is labelled. A girl has to live from something if not having rich parents or a job and often enough there is no clear line between “looking for options” and “prostitution” in Asia. Fair enough to give a chance for a clean new start. But please don’t jump from a balcony in case she decides to check out alternative options.

😂 says the one living out his prostitute obsession to the extreme, filling 246 pages so far.