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The good side is no McyDees or Starbucks
How can lack of choice be a GOOD thing? If you don't like either place, you don't go inside and you don't buy their products.
I'm sorry, but, people who think they are clever because they don't go to McDonalds are a real laugh!
Who said anything about being clever? I just have good taste!
I do believe that the "choice" here will affect CAMBODIANS health in a negative way...(as well as
foreigners, but they have a choice)
Processed, crap food is not good no matter what your taste buds say.
Starbucks could force out the delicious home-grown bakerys and coffee-shop.
Globalization can result in lack of choice. Or is that too clever for you?
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i have no beef with Pattaya, but i will say that having just spent 3 weeks in Sihanoukville, those beaches are going to give Thailand one hel_l of a run for the money.
I was there 3 weeks ago and yes they are nice...but a run for the money?
With a ferry once a day and a road that you have to barge across a river 3 or 4 times?
No way. Lack of infrastructure. The good side is no McyDees or Starbucks and overall
wonderfull friendly people, subtle archecteture and like Thailand(but not cheaper overall)
cheap but good food and accomodation.
I don't see a real competition for at least 10 years.
Was there still a ban on foreigners renting moterbikes there?
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There are 10 or less Thai meals that are good and internationally recognized.
Italy would have hundreds if not thousands more.
Other "Thai" food are fish fried "thai way" or something than nobody in the world could spoil, no matter how they cook it. That food would taste good if just boiled in plain water (schimps).
Japanese don't even bother to cook it.
Other than fried rice, larb, a few soups, pad thai and krapao gai (and it's variants) it is all rubbish - guts, skin, fat, oil, bones.....disgusting to watch the locals eating it.
Even that (other than rice based cooking) is not everywhere upcountry. There I bring a toaster, jam, vegemite and a pack of lean ham. Much healthier than what they eat.
While they pig on the unspeakable trash, I am happy to sip a plain rice soup and look aside.
What a predujiced bore you are...SO WHAT if natural meals are not internationally recognized?
Do you know that Italy has some of the highest rates of obesity with all that 'natural' pasta?
Guts, skin(lots of vitamins here) fat are part of the NATURAL DIET of man..
Healthy tribes have been eating that way for a long time....none on toast or vegimite I'm afraid.
Wow you eat lean meat(fat is bad...wrong!) rice soup... bread..(unnatural
carbohydrate)..
Well it's all a matter of perspctive and knowledge of anthropology..
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The ingrediants are healthy but not the added sugar and salt plus being cooked in crap oil.
Depends on the dish...no salt or sugar in roast duck except in the optional sauce maybe.
Japanese and Korean food is also very salty. Perhaps the sugar counteracts the salt
as Thais don't get as many cases of stomach cancer as Koreans or Japanese.
Chicken in coconut soup..far better than the oils used in Korean street-stall food.
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?? Crap..You've never been to South Korea(I speak of western food here, Korean can be very good).
Ah maybe u mean safe-wise? Compared to Cambodia..Thailand is FAR safer..just came back
from Cambodia and even long termers seem to get the need for imodiam tablets every now and then. I've never had any probs with eating street food in Thailand ..some western stuff is mediocre and overpriced..but frankly i find it hard to find a truly crappy place in Thailand...granted many
so-so ones are here.
Why Thailand has crap food.One reason is holding temps. Food cannot be held at room temp. It will poison you. Food should be below 40F or above 135F.
Another is cross contamination. You can’t use just one cutting board for chicken, pork, and so on.
Another is three compartment sinks. One to wash, one to rinse and one to sanitize. They are non existent in Thailand.
Next time you eat at a street side vendor look for the above things. When you get sick you can remember reading it here.
Why does Thailand not enforce even these basic standards? Anyone have any ideas? I don’t really have a clue.
Can't really say that Thai Food is crap .....just potentially hazardous
If it wasn't for the CDC , VSP (vessel sanitation program) and Haccp than there would be many other Western Countries who would have the same "possible cross contaminations" . Fact is we survived then, and we do survive now without it too(here in thailand). I never had any foodborne illness here in Thailand ( i have been here since 3 years continuous) ....but i had one in the US , South Africa , Mexico and Uk.
Cutting Boards with color coding and preferably not made of wood (which than changed back to be wooden being preferred as per VSP) is a valid point . But are they used accordingly in the west? same applies to the 3 compartment sink. I am not saying they don't exist in the US or elsewhere.....but are they really used the way they were meant too? Not to mention the chlorine solution(sanitation sink ...) how many follow the right ppm's and use it in the correct sink too?
The fact that Thai food is cooked and eaten with almost no timegap doesn't give it much chance to create much harmful bacteria or leaves those which are harmful on a "relative" safe level.
It certainly would be better to enforce Food sanitation a little but it shouldn't be as crazy as the CDC (center of Disease Control) outlines things and only applies it to everyone else, except their own soil.
rcm
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Hey everyone. I'm looking for a friend of mine I met in Cambodia a few days ago.Forgot to
get the details of his place before we parted.
All I remember was that he was a British dude by the name of Ricky
who had a bar near (or on)Jomtien beach but not on any soi.
He had two bars but sold one.
Married to a Thai wife with a kid and has a rubber farm down south.
Any help with the name or location of the bar appreciated.
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"OK Let's get personal in an effort to progress the discussion..
I have been on it for a year and my health has much improved and I have
lost 4 kg. It's not always easy to stick with it but I have found that I don't miss
carbohydrates that much... a slice of garlic bread once in a blue moon I still
indulge in..."
Ok.
You don't do any exercise.For anyone considering long term weight loss,thats crazy,yet unsuprising.As i have mentioned before,atkin dieters aren't big on exercise...
If you don't mind me asking,why not? to tired...? lack of motivation? Maybe other reasons that are none of my buisness?
"my health has much improved"
Why? Because you have lost some weight..? Weight loss doesnt always result in better health.Ofcourse,exercise does.
You have only been on the diet for a year,yet you are recomending that others should do it for longer periods(basically the rest of their lives),as opposed to more sensible(IMO) and effective diets?.Do you think you could manage to do it for the rest of your life?
You do understand what will happen if you don't have the will power to keep this up permanantly..don't you?
Well,i hope you understand my point.I understand yours perfectly,i got it in your first post.I just do not believe it is practical for the average man/woman in this day an age.Not as a long term solution to unwanted fat etc There are more sensible,more effective ways of going about it IMO.
Good luck
To clarify I must say first of all that I was slightly overweight, the typical mid-40 beerbelly
and nowI am pretty close to the way I looked at 30. When I said better health I meant both loss of weight and more energy. My health check-up last year found no major problems at all.
Exercise? I didn't really say but I will say that the weight I lost was not due to any ADDITIONAL
exercise. I walk a good 10 - 20 minutes a day, ride a bike when i have the chance(great in Chiang Mai), even swim
in beautiful Song Pong river when I have the chance. But I do these things naturally and because I feel
like doing them not because I want to lose few more pounds...as there is no weight to lose from carbs
why would a low-carber need that?
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However THAT's JUST ME. There are other low-carbers and paleodieters(though they don't always call themselves that) who believe in a more systematic
approach and they may be right - indeed I may try there approaches though they are NOT
conventional in some ways: here are two people I respect, the first a NY physician, the second
a well-known scientist/athlete
Finally, what I would say is to do what works for you..and if it doesn't don't be afraid to try other approaches.
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SIgh,........
Why did you even bother responding? You are completely ignoring what i am trying to get through to you.
I do not care for your links to one off studies on eskimos/indians/penguins...lol.For every link you provide i can counter with 5, we have been through this.I understand the point you are trying to get across,but it is irrelevant.
Again,you are making me repeat myself.
For long term weight loss the atkins is not the way to go.I have listed dozens of reasons why other diets/methods are better(refer to my last post)
ARE YOU GOING TO DEBATE THIS.
If not,STOP responding!
Everything you say seems to be coming from oddball scientists or obscure studies? what about your own experiences? Tell me,how much exercise do you do weekly(im guessing not much)? Do you find it easy to stick to your diet? have you had good results? how long have you been dieting like this for?
More importantly,why do you think other people should use a similar diet...for the rest of their lives?
YOU stop responding if you cannot see what I am trying to say.
These scientists are "oddball" ? Of course! They disagree with you so they must be...
OK so the world health organisation thinks (any controlled studies here?)
lack of exercise cause a lot of heart disease? OK fine!
Maybe it does maybe it doesn't but of course this is already in the context
of people on the SAD(Standard North American diet) and not
looking at Atkins or similar dieting people.
Maybe you can say in a sentence why you think this diet is not sustainable?
OK Let's get personal in an effort to progress the discussion..
I have been on it for a year and my health has much improved and I have
lost 4 kg. It's not always easy to stick with it but I have found that I don't miss
carbohydrates that much... a slice of garlic bread once in a blue moon I still
indulge in...
Why do I think that people should use this diet the rest of their lives?
The answer is in the plaeodiet.com website but I'll
summarize : We are eating food that we are not adapted to ;
this includes agriculture which is only 10,000 years or so old..evolution takes
place over millions of years so our hunter, mostly meat eating bodies are not
adapted to agricultural products. We can eat them for a while as an emergency
measure in times of famine but long term use causes diseases..The same
argument is of course applicable even more so to the processed food of the last century.
There is plenty of evidence in the above link
I hope that answers some of your questions
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Taken from a healthier lifestyle article.
Quote:-
Read on for need-to-know information on:
Nutrition
Exercise
Latest news
Options to consider
"With Valentine's day approaching, it is a timely reminder that men's sexual health is adversely influenced by many of the same factors that cause heart disease. While some diseases cannot be treated and medication - especially for raised blood pressure - may have an effect, obesity, lack of exercise and especially excessive alcohol and smoking are all modifiable major risks for reduced erectile function."
1)
Ditch the croissants and Danish pastries, and choose wholegrain bread instead of white.
Opt for herbal tea rather than higher-calorie, caffeinated hot chocolates or milky coffees.
Watch out for the hidden salt in bread, cheese, sausages and other processed foods. Labels that indicate salt, fat and sugar content are now used by major food retailers, making it easier to know what is in your food.
Dairy foods, such as milk and cheese, can be high in fat, so stick to semi-skimmed, skimmed and lower fat varieties, and if you're using cheese to flavour food, go for strong-tasting mature Cheddar or blue cheese - you won't need as much.
2)
Don't stint on your five-a-day. It may sound like a lot but dried, tinned and frozen fruit and veg all count as portions, so add dried fruit such as raisins or apricots to your breakfast cereal, and snack on fresh fruit or chopped carrots.
Prepare warming winter casseroles and stews using water instead of oil and spices, and herbs to replace salt.
Eat more starchy foods potatoes, wholemeal rice, pasta and wholemeal bread, and breakfast cereals. They contain less than half the calories of fat and are a good source of energy, fibre, iron and B vitamins.
3)
Eat oily fish such as mackerel or sardines twice a week.
If you drink alcohol, limit yourself to small amounts (one or two units a day).
Exercise
To keep your heart healthy, exercise is as important as nutrition. Aim for at least 30 minutes of activity five times a week.
4)
If your New Year fitness regime has started lagging in January, now's a great time to try a new activity to alleviate exercise boredom. Consider rambling, sailing or gardening to get you into the fresh air, or try indoor pursuits such as dancing, swimming and ice skating. Other ways to increase your fitness regime include building it into your daily life in small ways, such as getting off the bus or train a stop early and walking briskly to your destination, doing half an hour's energetic housework, walking around and doing stretches while you're on the telephone instead of slumping on the sofa - it all counts!
"With Valentine's day approaching, it is a timely reminder that men's sexual health is adversely influenced by many of the same factors that cause heart disease. While some diseases cannot be treated and medication - especially for raised blood pressure - may have an effect, obesity, lack of exercise and especially excessive alcohol and smoking are all modifiable major risks for reduced erectile function."
Len Shapiro, Health Club Expert.
Unquote.
General news from the same article:-
Latest news
New research by scientists at US Tufts University has shown that the high level of antioxidant compounds, including flavonoids, found in almond skins could protect LDL (bad cholesterol) against oxidation, a process linked to the development of heart disease.
Did you know?
According to the World Health Organization, around one quarter of all cases of coronary heart disease in the developed world are due to inadequate physical exercise.
Matters of the heart
With Valentine's Day on 14 February, you may find matters of the heart playing on your mind. It's sometimes tricky in winter to focus on fitness and healthy food, but doing so will help your heart stay strong.
marshbags
It's pretty clear that the repeat posts by marshbags and others on the dangers of Atkins
shows how threatening this way of eating is to many.
Are there no other THINKERS on this forum?
The fact that one woman got ketotic acidosis is hardly proof of
anything...transition from standard diet to ANY alternative has to be done
carefully. Thousands on the low carb forums swear by Atkins.
For every newspaper article you can find against it I can find one for...
Is noone here capable of analytical debate? It appears not.
I hope the moderator closes this thread as it is getting nowhere.
Close the debate?? Why? because you don't like what were saying? or that were not impressed by your 'the american indians did it' garbage?
I don't even know what your point is? what are you trying to tell us?
This is my point.
Eating from a balanced diet and exercising regulary is the best way to go for long term,serious fat loss.
Why?
>Promotes exercise
>Burns fat consistantly and in the long run is more effective than atkins(This has been proven!)
>Eating poorly from time to time will not cause rapid weight gains ,unlike atkins.
>Your body is not being deprieved of anything,unlike atkins
>You have always got plenty of energy(great for motivation and exercise)..unlike atkins
>Easier to stick to! both short term and long term.
Now this next paragraph may seem arrogant but i am tired of you talking down to me like I am some retard.
Right,I am not like you.I am not like the majority of people who use this particular forum.I am lean,my bodyfat is round about 8-9%(very low).I maintain this and a fair amount of muscle mass through my balanced diet and regular exercise.I have used many different diets to achieve my goals(low fat,low carb etc).I have helped friends lose unwanted fat,and i have seen friends fail completely on fad diets such as atkins.Bottom line,i know what i'm f@@king talking about.I have come on this forum simply because i have an interest in this sort of thing and to offer some friendly advise.Ok? there is absolutely no need for you to talk down to me or anyone else because your arguement has run into a dead end.
What exactly is your arguement anyway??
That because plains indians and cavemen ate that way,we can to? Because our bodies can adapt..that its ok??? Our bodies can adapt to a lot of things.The human body is amazing but just because we can,doesn't mean we should!
You are not a plains indian,nor a caveman.This is the 21st century.You can get any type of food you want.You have access to gyms,fitness centers(not that you need these to exercise) In the long run,compared to other methods of losing unwanted fat.The atkins is crap and i would never advise anyone to do it for the rest of their bloody lives(like you are suggesting!).For your average bloke it is to hard to stick by and it does not promote exercise.Thats the big one.Thats why people are getting fatter,not slimmer.A lack of daily exercise.
Rant over.
OK I'll reply in a nice way but ask you read the links. We are not cavemen you say! true!
We can adapt you say? To what? In what period of time..The fact is that evolution takes place
on a REALLY slow scale ..we cannot simply say I like processed food, my body will adapt to it...
OR are you saying that we can? In the space of approximately 100 years?
Well Medical evidence of the increase of disease at the turn of the 20th century would disagree..
OK but I here you..GENETICS you might say...Indians and Eskimos were gentically adapted to their diets...again time scale arguments apply but more imoportantly is the fact that people like
Stefasson who lived with them and ADOPTED THEIR DIET with no ill effects shows this
argument to be bogus..He was also observed rigorously(at Bellvue hospital in New York) in a now forgotten 1 year experiment
by skeptical, but honest, doctors..who reported him to be in excellent physical health after a year
of eatin a largely carnivorous diet..
There is much similar anecdotal evidence from other people who visited the innuit during that
period too...
It is not that you disagree with me that i want this thread cl;osed but that you seem hung up
by the endless dogmas of the last 40 years or so..dogmas that medicine itself is feeling great doubt about. Now go and look up
[links except news links must go in the pinned links thread]
for links to what i have said in more detail.
By the way alsmost none of these people are saying that exercise is unimportant though
they take different views on the details//
Happy reading!
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I've been reading another thread (low carbs), and there was some helpful advice re which Thai foods to order.
I am NOT fat, but could stand to lose a couple of kilo's. I've been in LOS for 3 years, and have definitely gained some weight! I am actually far more active than I was (worked 15+ hours a day back home, so no time or energy). I go to the gym 3 - 4 times a week, cardio/weights combo. At the moment, it's more cardio than weights. I'm an all or nothing kind of person, so I don't just muddle along half heartedly either. I work hard!
I don't cook for myself, and eat Thai food 99% of the time. I can't remember when last I had a pizza, burger etc.
ANd yet I can't shake the weight - it's only 3- 4kg that I want to lose too! (To be honest, I enjoy beer over the weekend - but that's only 1 day a week. I find if I am too restrictive, I give up after a week!)
If it's not a lack of exercise, it must be my diet, and I'm obviously making the wrong choices!
Usually order pad pak ruam mid, ga prow gai, laab gai, namtok gai, som tam thai, pad siew .... trying to avoid pork - hard to do in Thailand!!!
Suggestions would be very very welcome :-) I didn't even think of sugar in pad pak ruam mid!!!!
Here's what I do..cut down or eliminate all rice or noodles.
Order meats like duck..with a little souce..YUM!
Organ meats like that dish with the kidney and fresh egg and inb a soup broth(Nana plaza has it
sold on the sidewalk)
Insects!
fried silkworm ain't to bad for a quick treat ....Fish!
and finally don't ignore low-carb Western food. A juicy rare steak with NO potato
or bread
(ask for no potato or ignore it) and a few low calory veggies is perfectly healthy.
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Taken from a healthier lifestyle article.
Quote:-
Read on for need-to-know information on:
Nutrition
Exercise
Latest news
Options to consider
"With Valentine's day approaching, it is a timely reminder that men's sexual health is adversely influenced by many of the same factors that cause heart disease. While some diseases cannot be treated and medication - especially for raised blood pressure - may have an effect, obesity, lack of exercise and especially excessive alcohol and smoking are all modifiable major risks for reduced erectile function."
1)
Ditch the croissants and Danish pastries, and choose wholegrain bread instead of white.
Opt for herbal tea rather than higher-calorie, caffeinated hot chocolates or milky coffees.
Watch out for the hidden salt in bread, cheese, sausages and other processed foods. Labels that indicate salt, fat and sugar content are now used by major food retailers, making it easier to know what is in your food.
Dairy foods, such as milk and cheese, can be high in fat, so stick to semi-skimmed, skimmed and lower fat varieties, and if you're using cheese to flavour food, go for strong-tasting mature Cheddar or blue cheese - you won't need as much.
2)
Don't stint on your five-a-day. It may sound like a lot but dried, tinned and frozen fruit and veg all count as portions, so add dried fruit such as raisins or apricots to your breakfast cereal, and snack on fresh fruit or chopped carrots.
Prepare warming winter casseroles and stews using water instead of oil and spices, and herbs to replace salt.
Eat more starchy foods potatoes, wholemeal rice, pasta and wholemeal bread, and breakfast cereals. They contain less than half the calories of fat and are a good source of energy, fibre, iron and B vitamins.
3)
Eat oily fish such as mackerel or sardines twice a week.
If you drink alcohol, limit yourself to small amounts (one or two units a day).
Exercise
To keep your heart healthy, exercise is as important as nutrition. Aim for at least 30 minutes of activity five times a week.
4)
If your New Year fitness regime has started lagging in January, now's a great time to try a new activity to alleviate exercise boredom. Consider rambling, sailing or gardening to get you into the fresh air, or try indoor pursuits such as dancing, swimming and ice skating. Other ways to increase your fitness regime include building it into your daily life in small ways, such as getting off the bus or train a stop early and walking briskly to your destination, doing half an hour's energetic housework, walking around and doing stretches while you're on the telephone instead of slumping on the sofa - it all counts!
"With Valentine's day approaching, it is a timely reminder that men's sexual health is adversely influenced by many of the same factors that cause heart disease. While some diseases cannot be treated and medication - especially for raised blood pressure - may have an effect, obesity, lack of exercise and especially excessive alcohol and smoking are all modifiable major risks for reduced erectile function."
Len Shapiro, Health Club Expert.
Unquote.
General news from the same article:-
Latest news
New research by scientists at US Tufts University has shown that the high level of antioxidant compounds, including flavonoids, found in almond skins could protect LDL (bad cholesterol) against oxidation, a process linked to the development of heart disease.
Did you know?
According to the World Health Organization, around one quarter of all cases of coronary heart disease in the developed world are due to inadequate physical exercise.
Matters of the heart
With Valentine's Day on 14 February, you may find matters of the heart playing on your mind. It's sometimes tricky in winter to focus on fitness and healthy food, but doing so will help your heart stay strong.
marshbags
It's pretty clear that the repeat posts by marshbags and others on the dangers of Atkins
shows how threatening this way of eating is to many.
Are there no other THINKERS on this forum?
The fact that one woman got ketotic acidosis is hardly proof of
anything...transition from standard diet to ANY alternative has to be done
carefully. Thousands on the low carb forums swear by Atkins.
For every newspaper article you can find against it I can find one for...
Is noone here capable of analytical debate? It appears not.
I hope the moderator closes this thread as it is getting nowhere.
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NO,i am not missing the point.
In the long run it is simply not feasible to maintain such a diet.It is not healthly and it discourages exercise.This is why so many people FAIL in the longrun after using it.Nobody can keep such a diet over long periods of time(10-15-20 years..rest of your life..)
As for 'weight watchers' ....weight watchers!! thats a money making con and i honestly can't believe you use a program such as that as an example of a balanced diet/lifestyle.
Its very simple,exercise + balanced diet = good health,good body.Any doctor with any self respect would agree.I am not going to explain to you what a balanced diet consists of.You should already know! or maybe you should do some 'real research' ??? Everyone knows this is the right way to go,if you are unsure of what this means,then you can simply go to your local doctor and he will explain it for you.
The problem is,people are to lazy to actually do any exercise and lack the self displine to eat properly for more than a week.
..and this is where atkins comes in.
Don't have to exercise
Can eat tasty fatty foods
Lose weight at a rapid pace
That is why it is so popular.
'Are you confusing Ketosis with Ketotic acidosis?'
No i am not.The later is related to diabetes,the former is bad in the long run.Your body is not supposed to be deprieved of anything.
I hate to repeat myself but i really have to stress this point.Anyone who is serious about losing weight and maintaining an average level of bodyfat after that should have a balanced diet and exercise regulary.Every MD/doctor/whoever you go to when you are sick.... will agree.The suggestion that the atkins diet is better is nonsense.
Wow Wow wow, where to begin? You did not answer even ONE of my points
Every doctor? Hardly...You should take a look at the following link
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html...754C0A9649C8B63
and the following which is "extreme atkins" but labels hardly matter
Your body is not supposed to be deprived of anything you say?
What does that mean? Meats and eggs contain all nutrients you need- fish
has omega-6 acid
Maybe you mean your body needs transfats from donuts?
Are you even aware that the food pyramid was officially discarded?
It shows the state of confusion medicine is in about what is "balanced"
My doctor in Canada thinks it's crap and he is hardly a quack...
Thai doctors I have interviewed believe Thai diet is best..
Hardly all the same opinions....
You obviously need an authoritarian answer to your beliefs and are probably unaware
that so called "balnced diet" recommendations come from flawed studies done decades ago.
Here's a link that explains:
.....I answered everyone of your 'questions' ?? Maybe a trip to the opticians is in order?
>The vast majority of doctors recomend eating from a balanced diet and exercising regulary.Nearly all agree that this is the best way to fight fat and maintain a desirable bodyweight.I refuse to argue this point any further.Its not even debateble.
'your body is not supposed to be deprieved of anything you say'
NO it is not.I thought that would be kinda obvious??
dep·ri·va·tion> The absence, loss, or withholding of something needed.
Bottom line.It all comes down to the individual,but the vast majority of people should be eating from a balanced diet and avoid fad diets such as atkins.
Are you seriously trying to debate that?
Actually you didn't answer any of my questions..maybe a trip to the univeristy
for a course in logic and analytical reasoning is in order? A course in anthropology
would help too as you have no scientific knowledge either.
Your post come across as "reactionary" another good word you may care to look up.
Obviously you didn't check or bother to read any of the links I gave you.
A balanced diet is a balanced diet you seem to be happy with that as though it were
obvious. Look up "begging the question" when you take that logic course.
hint: I am NOT trying to say that you shouldn't eat a balanced diet...just question
what the best definition of that term is..Atkins and Paleodiet and Carnivore
and others represent their own definition of balanced.
Far from being "fad" diets, they are probably closer to the way our
ancestors ate for millions of years. Our diet is the fad one.
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NO,i am not missing the point.
In the long run it is simply not feasible to maintain such a diet.It is not healthly and it discourages exercise.This is why so many people FAIL in the longrun after using it.Nobody can keep such a diet over long periods of time(10-15-20 years..rest of your life..)
As for 'weight watchers' ....weight watchers!! thats a money making con and i honestly can't believe you use a program such as that as an example of a balanced diet/lifestyle.
Its very simple,exercise + balanced diet = good health,good body.Any doctor with any self respect would agree.I am not going to explain to you what a balanced diet consists of.You should already know! or maybe you should do some 'real research' ??? Everyone knows this is the right way to go,if you are unsure of what this means,then you can simply go to your local doctor and he will explain it for you.
The problem is,people are to lazy to actually do any exercise and lack the self displine to eat properly for more than a week.
..and this is where atkins comes in.
Don't have to exercise
Can eat tasty fatty foods
Lose weight at a rapid pace
That is why it is so popular.
'Are you confusing Ketosis with Ketotic acidosis?'
No i am not.The later is related to diabetes,the former is bad in the long run.Your body is not supposed to be deprieved of anything.
I hate to repeat myself but i really have to stress this point.Anyone who is serious about losing weight and maintaining an average level of bodyfat after that should have a balanced diet and exercise regulary.Every MD/doctor/whoever you go to when you are sick.... will agree.The suggestion that the atkins diet is better is nonsense.
Wow Wow wow, where to begin? You did not answer even ONE of my points
Every doctor? Hardly...You should take a look at the following link
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html...754C0A9649C8B63
and the following which is "extreme atkins" but labels hardly matter
Your body is not supposed to be deprived of anything you say?
What does that mean? Meats and eggs contain all nutrients you need- fish
has omega-6 acid
Maybe you mean your body needs transfats from donuts?
Are you even aware that the food pyramid was officially discarded?
It shows the state of confusion medicine is in about what is "balanced"
My doctor in Canada thinks it's crap and he is hardly a quack...
Thai doctors I have interviewed believe Thai diet is best..
Hardly all the same opinions....
You obviously need an authoritarian answer to your beliefs and are probably unaware
that so called "balnced diet" recommendations come from flawed studies done decades ago.
Here's a link that explains:
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There is nothing Short cut at all about Atkins, especially in it's original, unwatered down, version which
was an almost 0 carbohydrate diet(do a search for zero carb forum)
It is not that boring IF you know what you are doing..but yes eating out can be a problem.
I think of it as an approximation in the sense that the closer you stick to it the better your
health will be. It is not just about weight.
Talk about "balanced diet " misses the point and often winds up begging the question
as to what "balanced diet" really is. Myths about Ketosis and kidney damage can be dispelled
by reading the account of Steffason who studied and practised the Innuit diet last century(before
they lost their culture). Also you may want to look at diet of the mountain men and many of
the Indian tribes of North America(some were agricultural)
As to practice, u may get a good chicken steak at any Thai restaurant or eat the
chicken soup without the rice... There are ways to make it work in many
so called "rice based" cultures...
Don't believe the usual reactionary responses you get and do some research.
You many be amazed at how many MDs DON'T believe in things like the food pyramid
and cholesteral as the villian(there is even an organization of MD skeptics here)
"They discovered that at three months Atkins dieters had lost an average of 14.7 pounds, compared with 5.8 pounds"So the atkins diet was almost three times as effective, after that it seems all the dieters went off the diet. It is a very boring diet, you kind of lose your lustre for food, but perhaps this is a good thing for those who are seriously overweight. I also think that a fair proportion of the UK is medically obese, more than you may think.
It seems like these days everyone is looking for short cuts...
In the short term it is more effective..but thats it.When the persons comes off this diet their body will 'carb up' and start storing carbhydrates at a very rapid pace.In otherwords they will gain weight very quickly and will eventually be back at square one.Long term 'atkin dieters' are running the risk of Ketosis and kidney damage.Don't even go there..
In the long term, a fairly balanced ,low fat diet is far more benficial.Yes,you won't lose fat as quickly but were only talking about a couple of months here.Whats a couple of months anyway?? Just be patient and give your body the respect it deserves.
It really does seems these days everyone is looking for short cuts.
Its a short cut for people looking for quick results.You can convince yourself otherwise but that is exactly what it is and why it is so popular.
There is very simple logic behind having a balanced diet.You don't eat anything in excess,thus you don't gain excessive amounts of unwanted weight.Ofcourse,because you arent deprieving yourself of anything, your body is getting everything it needs.
Anyone who is larger than average should use exercise as their main way of losing excess fat.The atkins diet can work wonders in the initial stages but it simply is not feasible in the long run.Most people who stop the diet ,gain weight rapidly.
One of the main reasons for this is that the diet discourages excerise.Dieters will never have enough energy to exercise properly,that is,if they can get of their <deleted> and actually motivate themselves to do any in the first place.Why should they bother,their losing weight already....
....Thus there are millions upon millions of western dieters who have done exactly that.Lose weight at first and then put it all back on when they stop.What is the point?
Why not just exercise regulary(shock horror!) and have a balanced diet??
Aswell,Ketosis is not a myth, it is very REAL and dieters do suffer from carb deprievation.
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I think YOU miss the point - it is not meant to be "stopped" as it represents the real
"balanced lifestyle"(again you do not define this term) .
Your approach simply does not work..millions of "Weight Watchers" members have tried
with a very poor success rate(my mother was one).
Are you confusing Ketosis with Ketotic acidosis? The former is not bad
as many many plains indians and others were on it. So are wild animals
The latter is dangerous. Do some real research.
Carb deprivation is something that people adjust to within a few
weeks(early research was flawed here in not allowing sufficient adjustment times)
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There is nothing Short cut at all about Atkins, especially in it's original, unwatered down, version which
was an almost 0 carbohydrate diet(do a search for zero carb forum)
It is not that boring IF you know what you are doing..but yes eating out can be a problem.
I think of it as an approximation in the sense that the closer you stick to it the better your
health will be. It is not just about weight.
Talk about "balanced diet " misses the point and often winds up begging the question
as to what "balanced diet" really is. Myths about Ketosis and kidney damage can be dispelled
by reading the account of Steffason who studied and practised the Innuit diet last century(before
they lost their culture). Also you may want to look at diet of the mountain men and many of
the Indian tribes of North America(some were agricultural)
As to practice, u may get a good chicken steak at any Thai restaurant or eat the
chicken soup without the rice... There are ways to make it work in many
so called "rice based" cultures...
Don't believe the usual reactionary responses you get and do some research.
You many be amazed at how many MDs DON'T believe in things like the food pyramid
and cholesteral as the villian(there is even an organization of MD skeptics here)
"They discovered that at three months Atkins dieters had lost an average of 14.7 pounds, compared with 5.8 pounds"So the atkins diet was almost three times as effective, after that it seems all the dieters went off the diet. It is a very boring diet, you kind of lose your lustre for food, but perhaps this is a good thing for those who are seriously overweight. I also think that a fair proportion of the UK is medically obese, more than you may think.
It seems like these days everyone is looking for short cuts...
In the short term it is more effective..but thats it.When the persons comes off this diet their body will 'carb up' and start storing carbhydrates at a very rapid pace.In otherwords they will gain weight very quickly and will eventually be back at square one.Long term 'atkin dieters' are running the risk of Ketosis and kidney damage.Don't even go there..
In the long term, a fairly balanced ,low fat diet is far more benficial.Yes,you won't lose fat as quickly but were only talking about a couple of months here.Whats a couple of months anyway?? Just be patient and give your body the respect it deserves.
It really does seems these days everyone is looking for short cuts.
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Ubuntu certainly comes with all the bits and pieces you need for a basic working machine.
However I was not impressed with the speed when I connected to the Internet,
Windows is much faster.
I never did find out why.
I can tell you why from my experience in Korea. Many modems use UpnP(plug and play) protocol
if u are connecting via pppoe. If you need to supply a username and password to the
internet you are probably using pppoe.
Unfortunately Ubuntu has this only as an add-on (your milage may vary)
and without it a speed decrease will be noticeable and some apps may think you are firewalled.
Solution: If possible use an Internet provider that provides a static IP or an ADSL direct connection
to the internet with no username needed. There will be no problem after that.
My best guess anyway as to why your internet was slow
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I was in Pai last year with a couple of Thai friends.After noticing their discomfort, I asked what was bothering them. They remarked to me about the disrespectful attitude of the hippies there. They pointed out the farang setting up makeshift street stalls selling beads and trinkets without permits, taking food from the local's mouths.
They remarked that they considered the manner of dress offensive to Thai people.
I got the same feeling about Pai. As if a part of Thailand had been raped by these people.
You would think that these liberal thinkers would have more respect for Thai culture and social norms....but it was not evident to me.
I believe lonely planet suggests proper dress and respect for local custom when traveling in Thailand.
I guess they missed that page.
Good riddance.
I have not been to Pai in almost 20 years. I don't remember it ever being a center for Thai people. It was a fairly small, actually tiny town that came into existence on the strength of the trekking opportunities. It was not a town that would have attracted many Thai people, and if I remember correctly, there were few enough Thai people around. And in fact, most Thai people would have felt singularly uncomfortable in a town populated and surrounded by minorities.
So for some city Thai, and their Farang friends, to complain about Pai, a town built upon the western world backpacker culture, is the height of hubris. Sort of like a Mexican complaining that Cabo was too American or a Nepali complaining about the western feel of Pokhara. Maybe I should go down to Miami so that I can complain that it is too Cuban.
Pai has not been raped, it has been caressed by these filthy hippie travellers who have put far more food into the mouths of the locals than has the Thai government over the same period of time.
And quite frankly, I will take the young, dreaded-locked, hippes with backpacks over the far more malignant neo-Sahib IT ex-pats any day.
great post.I agree 100%.
Me too. Except the bit about IT ex-pats, sounds a bit derogatory although I'm not sure what neo-Sahib means...
Yes I have met some creepy IT types (am a non creepy one I think).
My feeling about the hippies are mixed. They definitely did good things for PAI.
There were four "movie rooms" and a couple of free areas to watch and chill out.
Now there are two - and yes according to the owner the others were farang owned.
Some businesses now seem starved of toursists - "the steakhouse" has closed as well
as one nice second hand bookstore.
I remember one guy with a thick Yorkshire accent(I could barely understand him)
who would sit around watching Rolling Stones videos..not a bad guy I thought
, just a little lonely. Yes some were boorish and ill-mannered..so what? It beats some
of the mafiosa types I've seen in Pattaya and Phucket.
What does the government want now with a new 3000 baht a night Hotel right in PAI's center?
Obviously, they want "value tourists"(the rich) to replace the backpackers. But I doubt this is "the riches" scene. What are they going to do, toke-up in the fields with the locals?
Anyway when and if the first Maconald's or Starbucks appears it will be time to find another PAI.
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I am in PAI now; last year there were at least 6 buses daily to the Burma border in mai sai.
Now there is ONE, at 10 PM. I asked why and was told the long termers packed up.
People looking for evidence in Bangkok should check out Ko Sa moi road(sp)..much quieter too.
This place has changed too. free videos in lounges have closed and become pay dvd rooms
Hotel prices are up a whopping 30% ! Some businesses seem closed and there are a lot more
bank machines and internet rooms.
Internet prices are still the outrageous 1 baht a minute everywhere.
But food is still good to excellent and still cheap.I'ts still nice
but I really worry about it's future.
It is obvious that PAI is where they want to test "quality tourist"
and the new airport is set to receive it's first flight in a few days
which is strange but perhaps this belongs in a seperate thread...
This has been your ACTION NEWS for today
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Title sez it all. My first post!
So far i tried Pui Pum(sp) which was pretty good even if the service could have been
friendlier/better.
And La doce(sp) behind starbucks(the big one behind the gate) which was
disappointing.
La Vinci in chiang Rai was really good.
Any others?
Pattaya's Dead
in Pattaya
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Well the usual "eats in moderation" crap...unscientific....,what does that REALLY mean?
once a day , once a week, whatever I call "moderation"?.I would say eats rarely or not at all,
or didn't you see "supersize me"?
I'm not going to argue the competive thing because I think you are right...to an extent...I would just
rather not see 3 starbucks on the main drag like in Pattaya..
(blows the smoke off his gun)