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...tijnebijn, the problem...
I think it's obvious he's replying to the most recent post. Give TV members a little credit!
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Yes, of course, the very illegality does add to the danger.
When you buy a street drug, there is no way to know if it is real, pure, poison, etc. Plus the violence among the illegal traders.
When such drugs are made legal, sometimes more people do take them which societies do consider undesirable, so it is always a trade off.
Alcohol again a good example, very legal, very abused, directly responsible for millions of deaths. But usually the drink itself is pure and safe in moderation, the users abuse it and/or get addicted to it and kill themselves.
Totally agree!
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Lets not forget that people (mainly young people) have died from using this drug...
Don't they actually deserve to?
They are actually helping this evil act to exist within the human race!
My say is anyone who is involved with illegal drugs should be tortured to death and shown on TV!
How strange it is that people who smokes in non-smoking areas only get to pay a fine? They should be killed too. I think same logic.
I can't tell if you're joking. I hope so. Anyone who has taken e knows that the word evil is . . . far from the right word.
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The English phrase "Thai people" (many theories as to its origin) is used both as an adjective and a noun to talk about Thai descent (commonly called Asian) people and/or their cultures/countries.
That is silly because Thai people is about the people from a SPECIFIC nation, while farang is without question a more ambiguous word. There is no actual nation called FARANGLAND. Got it now?
You still insist on painting them with the same brush. Don't you know some are from Bangkok, some from Isaan (still generalizing), etc. etc. ad nauseum. You are silly if you don't see where this is leading.
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WOW!
It appears we have reached a kind of MAJORITY CONSENSUS here on the subject.
Let me conclude:
The Thai word farang (many theories as to its origin) is used both as an adjective and a noun to talk about European descent (commonly called white) people and/or their cultures/countries. It is a NEUTRAL word used by Thais and any other race/nationality in Thailand or talking about Thailand. However, as it is a word that is related to the loaded subject of RACE, it can also be used by tone or context to be either a POSITIVE or NEGATIVE word. It is not like just any word that way, because of the race implications, race being a loaded subject everywhere in the world.
For examples:
Neutral: Many farangs live in Chiang Mai
Positive: We need to utilize more farang technology to improve the economy.
Negative: Look Farang! Charge that sucker double.
Qualtrough, thanks very much for your concern for me to avoid a cyber-humiliation, before you "ran out of peanuts" (cop out), its nice to know you are watching my back.
WOW!
It appears we have reached a kind of MAJORITY CONSENSUS here on the subject.
Let me conclude:
The English phrase "Thai people" (many theories as to its origin) is used both as an adjective and a noun to talk about Thai descent (commonly called Asian) people and/or their cultures/countries. It is a NEUTRAL word used by Farangs and any other race/nationality in Thailand or talking about Thailand. However, as it is a word that is related to the loaded subject of RACE, it can also be used by tone or context to be either a POSITIVE or NEGATIVE word. It is not like just any word that way, because of the race implications, race being a loaded subject everywhere in the world.
For examples:
Neutral: Many "Thai people" live in Chiang Mai
Positive: We need to utilize more "Thai people" poverty to improve our social status.
Negative: Look "Thai people"! He probably beats his wife and has a small d*ck.
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To avoid further hissy fits from Jingthing the 'We love Farang' signs shall be changed to the following.
We love people from all over, including but not exclusive to people from the following places.(please note that we have left a url which when typed in to a browser will show more information about the country, if pre-booking a taxi then please inform us of your nationality so that we can insure the driver knows at least the basics, ie. Language, population, current political sittuation, life expectancy, GDP etc)
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We would also like to make it clear rhat we also love unrecognized countries, autonomous areas dependent territories and those of you who have territorial disputes.
I would like to marry you! I base that on, if nothing else, the mere fact that you are so kayaan. Sorry if you find the word "kayaan" offensive. I mean industrious. That is much more acceptable to me (because I don't understand that the former already encompasses the meaning).
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Wow! Just become an "education supporter" and you escape from all tax? Very convenient loophole! Think they'll have this policy for all the "athletic supporters" before long, too?
My jock strap can get a tax break? Cool!
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Meemiathai and other like-minded farangs--If the PC brigade has their way and farang becomes a taboo word, what say we adopt it in the same way that some black Americans use the N-word? You know, Yo farang, whazzup? I am a bad muthaeffing farang, etc.? Keeping the word alive like that would have the additional benefit of irking the PC farangs to no end.
Further to that, I wonder what the offended class would like the Thais to call us in their own language? Perhaps Kon pio nang rai si? (People of no color) might please them?
Fo shizzle, my fizzle.
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From the things I've read on here, I am now convinced that the phrase "Thai people" is derogatory. I wonder why Thai people use it when referring to themselves . . .
Funny.
I have a "story". Woody Allen (famous New York Jew) and fictional escaped German Nazi war criminal Fritz Schultz take a trip to Thailand to enjoy the Thai nightlife and happen to visit the same brothel at exactly the same time. The Thai lady boss says, "that farang wants the Karen girl and that farang wants the Isaan boy."
I had no idea Woody Allen had adopted a boy from Isaan.
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From the things I've read on here, I am now convinced that the phrase "Thai people" is derogatory. I wonder why Thai people use it when referring to themselves . . .
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i smelll odor here...lol
I smell it too!
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Unless the rules have changed recently, you cannot have US and Thai citizenship concurrently. When you are sworn in as a US citizen you are effectively relinquishing Thai citizenship. So, yes, you will be overstaying your visa as you are no longer a Thai citizen.
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Either the poor dupe she marries will not know that it is a sham marriage, or he will be complicit in the sham, which will be a crime. Why are you interested in assisting her??
You have no knowledge of either party, or the state of their relationship. Your assumptions are therefore pretty much worthless.
Sorry, you are the one out of line here. The OP's post strongly suggested, while not saying it outright, that his wife's friend was interested in marrying a US citizen as a way out of her predicament. If that is the case it is a violation of US immigration law, and unfair to those who go through all the legal hurdles to legitimize their status.
I saw nothing to suggest that. Are you a troll?
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My Thai wife has a Thai friend who has overstayed her tourist visa to the US. She is interested in marrying a man who is a US citizen. My wife has read on other Thai web forums that if her friend marries in the US, she will have to leave the US before she can apply for a permanent residence on the basis of marrying the US citizen.
Is this true? Will she have to return to Thailand and apply from there for her green card? My guess is that this is probably the case but I don't know. I didn't even think they would let her become legal once she decided to overstay her visa. Then again I remember hearing a story on NPR of an illegal who is getting his green card after marrying a US citizen. I don't recall whether he was forced to return to Mexico.
They should get married in the US. She should NOT leave the country. If she does leave it may be much more difficult for her to come back. If she is unsure, she should contact an immigration lawyer after getting married. Again, do not leave the country.
As soon as the application to adjust status is received by immigration she will be "legal." She will not yet have a green card, but will have all rights pending the immigration decision which is based on finances and legitimacy of the marriage.
When she applies she should also apply for a work permit and a travel document in case she wants to go home during the wait. She will be able to get a social security card and work with the work permit which usually arrives in about 30 days.
There is no fine for overstaying a tourist visa if you are adjusting to lawful permanent residence based on marriage.
Your friend will not have to return to Thailand to do any of this.
If she has any problems, tell her not to hesitate to contact her congressional representatives. I personally contacted them in Ohio and Georgia and they were very helpful. I know of someone who got help from an Illinois congressman as well.
Good luck to your friend. It may be a long road ahead. On that note, I know of someone who lived in CA for 6 years illegally, got married and got the green card in three months. The funny thing is he is gay, gay, gay. Just found someone willing to help out. So sometimes things are easier . . .
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Thailand can be very brutal that way.
Death of Royal in Thai Jail.
"Concerned that he would again missed his flight, he made the innocent mistake of forging his entry card document. "
Hmm... Fair and balanced just like Fox news.
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I know a guy on 2 years overstay but I dont think visa rules have anything to do with it
Big Canadian, round about AngSila?
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short term investing ~ gambling
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Some posters call people like myself, 'doomsayers'. That's a wrong word and misperception.
Critics about the Thai economy (and to a certain point also the political system) like myself, are NOT doomsayers but merely critics with an open eye what's happening in Thailand and the World, as well as the Asian region in general.
99% of the members here on TV are Thailand lovers and it hurts when critics like 'Blam' are told: "if you don't like it..just leave".
The posters who say so, don't understand that we have a good heart for Thailand, feel for the country and it's people but feel sad when we see so many things go wrong in the past period in this lovely country.
That's not called 'doomsaying' but just realizing and noticing facts. Nothing more nothing less.
I've been coming and going, doing business, as well as holidays to Thailand, China and other Far East countries for more than 30 years so I know a little bit what I'm talking about.
If I see, notice and know about the enormous difference in working and moral attitude between Thailand and China, for instance, I can only conclude that Thailand is slipping away, down the hill, and losing track with it's regional competitor countries.
Knowing that most of the important businesses in Thailand are owned and/or controlled by Thai/Chinese I really can't figure out why there is such a big difference in attitude between Thai/Chinese- and mainland Chinese business people.
The only thing I can think of is that mainland Chinese are still very 'hungry' to succeed and trying to fight for every buck and work day-and-night, literally!
The Thai/Chinese are maybe too comfortable with their wealth (built up in many decades and generations) already and just sailed along with rising demand from the West in the past 2 or 3 decades and forgot to watch what was happening in the neighbouring region and rest of the world.
Contrary to the above is the fact that I know that quite a few Thai/Chinese businesses already set foot in mainland China with their companies and/or factories. Those are the ones that realized something was happening around them and had to adjust to the changing circumstances.
But also Western companies saw and realized that, maybe earlier than Thai businessmen. Don't forget that Western business people have access to large and clever Global Accountant/Lawyer companies AND advising Banks who have their offices all around Asia, not just Thailand...
When I set foot for the first time in Hong Kong I was surprised, shocked and amazed by the working attitude of the business people. No matter if it was 6.00AM in the morning or 12.00 at night, everywhere in the lobbies of the hotels you saw and still see hundreds of business people, already or still working with their Western counterparts...
In the same period I worked with, and was buying from medium & large BKK companies...the difference in attitude was enormous and I realized very soon I couldn't go on with them anymore and left doing business with Thailand, but not for holidays
The same attitude like HK I found also in mainland China, in cities like Guangzhou, Shanghai, Hangzhou, Shenzhen, Beijing and the like; I can make appointments in evenings, on Saturdays, Sundays, phone them late at night; no problem....EVERYTHING is possible.
They have still a lot to learn, but they learn fast, willing to climb up the ladder.
Maybe Thailand thought they were already high up the ladder, or hill, whatever you like.
They're not -anymore-.
It's the difference in working and moral attitude; it's probably in the Thai genes; I don't know, maybe you do ?
LaoPo
Maybe its just not that important to the average Thai to be competetive and businesslike, Most of the Thais I know are happy with what they have, whatever it may be - I for one hope and pray that Thailand doesn't turn into another China, I like the laid back style, the "I fancy a sleep at lunchtime" attitude. Its just different, not worse, not better, just different.
I don't ever recall having a conversation with anyone but wealthy Thais where they cared what the exchange rate, GDP etc... was.
I personally wouldn't want to live here if it was all about the work, business and getting ahead - I could go back to the UK if I wanted that.
Well put. Better than I tried above.
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Some posters call people like myself, 'doomsayers'. That's a wrong word and misperception.
Critics about the Thai economy (and to a certain point also the political system) like myself, are NOT doomsayers but merely critics with an open eye what's happening in Thailand and the World, as well as the Asian region in general.
99% of the members here on TV are Thailand lovers and it hurts when critics like 'Blam' are told: "if you don't like it..just leave".
The posters who say so, don't understand that we have a good heart for Thailand, feel for the country and it's people but feel sad when we see so many things go wrong in the past period in this lovely country.
That's not called 'doomsaying' but just realizing and noticing facts. Nothing more nothing less.
I've been coming and going, doing business, as well as holidays to Thailand, China and other Far East countries for more than 30 years so I know a little bit what I'm talking about.
If I see, notice and know about the enormous difference in working and moral attitude between Thailand and China, for instance, I can only conclude that Thailand is slipping away, down the hill, and losing track with it's regional competitor countries.
Knowing that most of the important businesses in Thailand are owned and/or controlled by Thai/Chinese I really can't figure out why there is such a big difference in attitude between Thai/Chinese- and mainland Chinese business people.
The only thing I can think of is that mainland Chinese are still very 'hungry' to succeed and trying to fight for every buck and work day-and-night, literally!
The Thai/Chinese are maybe too comfortable with their wealth (built up in many decades and generations) already and just sailed along with rising demand from the West in the past 2 or 3 decades and forgot to watch what was happening in the neighbouring region and rest of the world.
Contrary to the above is the fact that I know that quite a few Thai/Chinese businesses already set foot in mainland China with their companies and/or factories. Those are the ones that realized something was happening around them and had to adjust to the changing circumstances.
But also Western companies saw and realized that, maybe earlier than Thai businessmen. Don't forget that Western business people have access to large and clever Global Accountant/Lawyer companies AND advising Banks who have their offices all around Asia, not just Thailand...
When I set foot for the first time in Hong Kong I was surprised, shocked and amazed by the working attitude of the business people. No matter if it was 6.00AM in the morning or 12.00 at night, everywhere in the lobbies of the hotels you saw and still see hundreds of business people, already or still working with their Western counterparts...
In the same period I worked with, and was buying from medium & large BKK companies...the difference in attitude was enormous and I realized very soon I couldn't go on with them anymore and left doing business with Thailand, but not for holidays
The same attitude like HK I found also in mainland China, in cities like Guangzhou, Shanghai, Hangzhou, Shenzhen, Beijing and the like; I can make appointments in evenings, on Saturdays, Sundays, phone them late at night; no problem....EVERYTHING is possible.
They have still a lot to learn, but they learn fast, willing to climb up the ladder.
Maybe Thailand thought they were already high up the ladder, or hill, whatever you like.
They're not -anymore-.
It's the difference in working and moral attitude; it's probably in the Thai genes; I don't know, maybe you do ?
LaoPo
I think it's important to realize that mai pen rai attitudes are likely correlated to the fact that so many people want to live here. Hong Kong, China, Singapore, etc. are all shocking in their industriousness when you go there from Thailand. But still you return.
I just mean to say that the "ignorance" is a big part of what gives these people their bliss. Perhaps we shouldn't try so hard to change them into the hard-working Chinese. God knows, what a bore it would be to live there.
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Exactly
I see more driven Asians than I do westerners - we have lost our fight in many cases
I work alonside Chinese. Singaporeans, Filipina's, Taiwanese, Koreans, Japanese, Indians, Indonesians, Malays and all I see are dedicated well educated people.
I said to my pal yesterday - its sometime embarrassing at meeting as I am the only one who is not a PHd, Medical Dr or as some of them both - these people have degree's from Uni's we all know and have heard of.
As some buffoon said above - their education is not as good as the people in the west - all I can do is guffaw - most on this board could not tie the shoelaces of these people and this is just one company out of hundreds
It is the attitude displayed above that is letting the west down and why China and the likes will slaughter us economically in the next generation - but remember their education is no good
Saying this is like the attitude of saying the Japanese will notrbe able to fight because they are all short sighted.
Its blatant racism but the only losers are the racists
First off, let's try to rise above personal insults. It indicates that you're fighting a losing battle. But, in response, I never insulted Asian people. I simply pointed out the difference in education that they receive. I'm sure you could do a search on this forum and find plenty of discussions in that area.
I do speak from experience. As a department manager of an international R&D group, I'd wager it's from greater experience than you are speaking from. And as a manager, I've found that those with a western education are far better at creating new ideas and systems (German-educated, especially). Asian-educated are better at number-crunching. Interesting you should bring up the computer thing, because that is exactly where I would expect them to excel. And it is not R&D.
As a final note, drive does not necessarily reflect ability (this is a sad fact) and degrees vary widely by subject and institution with regard to the level of creativity which is instilled or demanded.
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Do you know anything at all about the pharma industry except for the medication you take?
Took their ops off shore????
Most of the R&D is still done in the USA and Western Europe including the UK - it is this imbalance that need re-dressing my friend - you think we have the monopoly on excellent researchers???
You think those excellent scientists in say China and India should all have to relocate to the USA and Europe to work?
I see these people at work all over the region every day and I can tell you from experience - on quality and work rate they slaughter the USA set up in their equivalent - it will come in research too in the not too distant future
Yes we have sites in India and are looking to China as well as having large sites in Singapore - nothing was moved offshore. Its there because of the quality of the workers plus pharma is a worldwide business and these markets are growing massively.
You honestly do not know what you are talking about here - your little America rant is quite amusing if not so sad in a way.
Have to agree with Nick here. The R&D groups in other countries are well beneath the standards of the west. Creativity is the key. Asian education doesn't promote any.
Those who can hang move along to western companies. Better pay. You're right, they don't have to. But the incentive is there. It's called the brain-drain.
Speaking from experience.
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Let me get this right its ok for the US to fund these universities to do the research. But when the gov't turns the research over to US Pharma companies hoping to recoup the monies given to the universities through taxes on the company through the sales of new drugs, but thats not allowable. I do agree that the profit is great, but we live in a litagious society where every drug company worries about the next vioxx or other drug suits.
Actually many of the top pharma companies aren't even US companies Bayer. Roche, Glaxosmithkline, Novartis, Aventis, Astrazeneca arent they all Euro companies, yet the tone of the postings always seem to have an antiamerican slant. It really curious how so many posters on this board color their thoughts with an underlying antiamericanism, without a passing jab at their own counties (companies) shortcomings.
I'm sorry you've many loved ones suffering from Aids. from what I've seen its a horrible disease. But to be truthful I know no one in my lifes travels that has it, I read about it how its affecting so many people, and have seen in visits to the clinic a few people that were suffering from it, but they weren't in my life. I wish them well, but unless its a child who had no say in the matter it was a lifestyle choice.
I se my primary physician every six months for the past 35 years and I get my blood tested at the same time . About ten years back after a visit to Thailand I was told I had Hep C. I don't use drugs, I don't hang with people who do. I didn't get a tatoo, so I was at a loss on how I might have gotten this disease. After four years of tests at 6 month intervals where it'd show up on one test and not another a final determination was made that I did indeed have it. I was sent to a class where I was given info on transmittal of disease. The cure rates and of the ten percent it'd just go away.
I did learn not to let anyone use your razor (not a problem there) or of all things your toothbrush. Fortunately for me I'm one of the lucky ten percent.
But I did learn not to let any casual overnight guest use your toothbrush, a word of warning to those who have that occasional visitor. Not a problem to me any more as my wife keeps talking about ducks.
It is children who get born with AIDS, it is rape victims, it is wifes and husbands who got infected by their partners who either did not disclose or know of their infection, it's hemophiliacs, people who got treated with unclean medical equipment, people with promisquous lifestyle, drug addics, prostitutes, etc.
But does it matter how one go infected? Not really.
But basically, it can happen to anyone. You can protect yourself against many factors, but against some there is simply no protection. If your partner is unfaithful to you? If you need urgent blood transfusion in a country does has no proper screening? If you get raped? If you are born with it?
AIDS is a terrible desease if one does not have access to anti-retrovirals. With anti-retrovirals HIV infected can live a productive life. Here in Thailand, as things are now, it does not effect the life of the people too badly. Before the free treatment, in my wife's village constantly people died of AIDS, it was one of the most common causes to die. Now, very few die of it, it's mostly the ones who do not accept their status and go too late for treatment. It's a difference between night and day.
I don't want to go into anti-Americanism and such, and yes, you are right, it does not really matter where those companies headoffices are located in, in today's global world corporations are anyhow transnational.
But, in this globalised world it does not really matter which government initially funded what. What matters is, that when a country's economy is threatened by a massive loss of large sectors of society in their most productive age, it is not just a human tragedy, it a loss to the rest of the world that needs those people and countries in order to keep expanding economically.
And, lets not forget, the WTO has a law that allows countries to circumvent patent laws. In terms of AIDS drugs, Thailand has done nothing illegal whatsoever with the decision to apply this law.
My only fear is, as i have stated before, that by including heart desease, and not be specific about the drugs, and not pressuring pharmaceutical countries beforehand, they might have handled the issue the wrong way. But the principle of the action is not wrong in any way.
500 000 to one million infected out of a population of about 65 million that will all need coverage of free anti-retrovirals very soon in order to survive is a national emergency.
Maybe you should go into the anti-Americanism. Or at least examine it within yourself. It is certainly present.
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An estimated of 60,000 new units are projected to be constructed in 2007 with the total value of approximately Bt160 billion.
Dividing Bt160 billion by 60,000 gives 26.666,67 Baht.
Am I doing something wrong or is there someting wrong with the quoted figures ?
Yes you are doing something wrong. You lost some decimals somewhere. It is 2,666,666 baht.
Have a good day.
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Really, Steve! Now Thai Immigration will be knocking on your door very shortly. Everyone knows they monitor this website and cross-reference all such issues with their database of farang first names. Nowhere to hide now!
