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  1. OP, people like you worry me. How are you learning to speak Thai? Over the internet? How do you say 'Will you marry me?' In Thai?

    Can you read Thai yet, have you looked at their writing system?

    Take some good Thai advice ช้าช้าเจ๋งเย็นเย็นคิดก่อนทำ โชคดี คุณจะต้องการ

    Clearly a Troll has been exposed... muppet!

  2. OP, people like you worry me. How are you learning to speak Thai? Over the internet? How do you say 'Will you marry me?' In Thai?

    Can you read Thai yet, have you looked at their writing system?

    Take some good Thai advice ช้าช้าเจ๋งเย็นเย็นคิดก่อนทำ โชคดี คุณจะต้องการ

  3. Same here with Maxnet. I have changed from Open DNS to solve the problem.

    I am having exactly the same problems trying to use Gmail with Maxnet? I am a bit of a computing retardso I don't understand what you mean by the above. Can somebody please spell this out to me in easy steps so that I can access my emails, otherwise I'm buggered! Thanks

  4. Why do Malaysians get 30 days but Laos or any other ASEAN members are not mentioned? My wife is Laos she travels with my half Lao son backward and forward from Thailand to Laos regularly. I am a legitimate teacher working in Thailand and we live here together. To go backwards and forwards every 15 days would be the final straw (or be compelled to get a tourist visa).

    If this new rule applies to members of ASEAN countries except Malaysians then it is complete BS! Can someone please clarify?

  5. The Thai media are very aware of negative worldwide publicity for the nation and they report this aspect, their media isn't as two dimensional as you would expect, they have obvious restrictions akin to those of foreign news media agencies and what we are not at liberty to commentate on on this website.

    What is amusing is their head in the sand approach, the country is on it's knees and all of the mainstream channels continue to air these asinine TV shows and keep the news in its usual slots with a couple of news flashes here and there. I think this attitude is more telling than what is actually said in the news when it's on.

  6. Still do not know what it was, the power did not cut out because the air conditioning was still whining, we are on the 13th floor and it was proper loud. Not the best of times to hear loud explosions could not get back to sleep for worry about the political climate etc.

    Sorry about how this reads school computer is in Canadian English, according to this system they do not use apostrophes but accented ès, I put it down to the French.

  7. this morning my family and I were rudely awoken by an incredibly loud noise which sounded like some kind of explosion, it shook us all up but since coming online I've read nothing about it, we live on Rajprarop between Victory Monument and Central World Plaza.

    Can anybody shead any light on this mystery noise please?

  8. Here's a letter I am drafting to my local MP, (CC the British Embassy and UKVAC) regarding the refusal and subsequent lack of response to our appeal... I've hit a brick wall towards the end as it is obviously quite emotionally tiring as well as physically. Any help, pointers will be appreciated.
    I have asterixed any personal information.

    To The Right Honourable Andrew Murray Burnham MP.

    I am writing to you concerning a number of grievances I have over the manner and on occasion complete incompetence my fiancee's settlement visa has been handled by various departments representing the British Government. In writing this I hope the issues raised may help to bring some changes to an obviously maligned system and ultimately bring a favourable resolution to my own, my and my unborn child's unenviable situation.

    The matter is presented in chronological order to convey exactly what happened to us as we have journeyed through the application process which ultimately leads to me writing letter to you, my representative at the British Houses of Parliament.

    On 27th March 2007 my girlfriend submitted her settlement visa application to the UK Visa Application Centre, Bangkok. Whilst waiting for the office to open we were approached by a Bangkok UKVAC employee outside who asked to look at the photograph on our visa application. We were informed that the photo's background wasn't acceptable and then charged 250 Thai baht to have a photograph of my girlfriend taken against a white background as opposed to the aqua background we had on our own photograph. According to the VAF2 Settlement (application) Form it clearly states the photo should be against an evenly lit and plain light background. If it should be taken against a white background it should say this on the application form. Whilst this is a relatively trivial matter, when every person who makes a UK visa application from Thailand is charged for another photograph after they had already had paid for and had one taken in accordance with directions made on the UKVAC application form it doesn't inspire confidence in the process as a whole and does suggest that from the outset one is being conned.

    Later in the afternoon after we had submitted our application at about 4pm we received a phone call from the Bangkok UKVAC to reconfirm how much money we had paid for our application. At the time, I found this bewildering but as events unfolded it became a relatively small and excusable hiccup in the least, but nevertheless illustrated an obvious lack of professionalism regarding UKVAC Bangkok.

    A few weeks later on 4th April we received a phone call from UKVAC to advise that my girlfriend had an invitation to an interview at the British Embassy, Bangkok. The caller said my girlfriend needed to take some other information to the interview but she didn't understand what the caller was trying to convey and so gave the phone to me. I asked what the caller what was required of my girlfriend to take to the interview, my Thai is good but it isn't completely fluent so I therefore asked him to tell me in English, the caller responded with what sounded like 'celery', to which I worked out was salary. We had to finish the phone call with UKVAC as we couldn't understand what they wanted and later called the British Embassy to speak with an English speaker (a rare occurrence as there only ever seems to a native speaker of English available in the visa section during a very limited time spot after lunch on weekdays if one is fortuitous) and ascertain what was required.

    We were on holiday at the time of the phone call from UKVAC and were and told to visit them in Bangkok to pick up our letter of invitation, when we picked it up from the UKVAC we noticed, written at the bottom of the letter:
    'at the time of the interview the applicant has been requested to provide the following documents; Sponsor's salary slips from when last worked in UK in 2006 (if no longer available, confirmation of monthly salary and employment from employer), written explanation from sponsor of money paid into UK account while (sic) sponsor in Thailand'.
    Why didn't the caller from UKVAC just read this out? Why are the British Government employing agencies that inevitably come into contact with English speakers who employ staff to make important and technical calls that can't speak English, or seemingly use common sense for that matter?

    Despite the problems with UKVAC on receiving this I felt optimistic that our visa application was being considered properly and felt that if we could provide any kind of original documentation from (Bonafide Insurance Co.), my previous employer and prospective re-employer, to prove they used to employ me then we would receive the settlement visa dependent on the outcome of my girlfriend's interview. I therefore contacted my Mum in the UK and asked her to send any wage slips she could find from the period when I was at home and contacted (
    Bonafide Insurance Co.)
    to ask them to confirm the dates of my employment. My Mum found two original wage slips from (Bonafide Insurance Co.) and they sent me a letter confirming and dating my prior employment with them.

    All of the above items were submitted at the interview with a letter from my Dad explaining he had given me 1500 pounds (sterling) to help me support myself and my girlfriend in the UK when we returned until I secured employment. I had also previously enclosed a copy of email correspondence between myself and (Bonafide Insurance Co.) where I had requested they consider letting me have my old post and their response asking me to come in for a chat when I got home. I didn't want to pressure (Bonafide Insurance Co.) into making me an official letter of employment in case the visa wasn't granted and this caused problems with the company's plans. If I had no chance of having my old job back why would the email correspondence appear so positive?

    On the 25th April 2007 my girlfriend attended her interview at the British Embassy, Bangkok. After about two hours the visa was refused, my girlfriend was obviously upset, this wasn't just because the visa had been rejected but because of the manner she was dealt with by the Entry Clearance Officer and the line of questioning to which she was subjected. By way of example she was asked; why didn't she want to have a Laotion boyfriend, on the first night after we met where did we go and what did we do, when my girlfriend responded that she went back to my room the interviewer looked at the translator and rolled her eyes. Looking at the notes (posted on the internet) regarding how Entry Clearance Officers are instructed to conduct the interview, I can see this line of questioning is somewhat questionable and can be construed as offensive and discriminatory.

    Nevertheless the visa application had been rejected and the reasons for this were all concerned with my apparent lack of ability to support my girlfriend in the UK. Not one issue about my girlfriend or our relationship was mentioned in the reasons for the rejection. Therefore why was she asked such questions and more importantly what was the point of the having the interview if the reasons for rejecting the claim were based on the paperwork already submitted? Why was the legitimacy of (Bonafide Insurance Co), as a real and actual trading company contested when we supplied two original wage slips from this company in the interview? If, this was to be contested when we were asked for more information, why wasn't actual letter headed paper specifically insisted upon, as it was obvious from the initial claim that I had never presented anything on letter headed paper from (Bonafide Insurance Co.), if any correspondence between myself and (Bonafide Insurance Co.)was suspected to be contrived (when in actuality it wasn't) then why wasn't this brought to out attention when we had an opportunity to prove our case?

    The Notice of Immigration Decision which explains why the visa was rejected, raises the issue of whether (Bonafide Insurance Co.) are an actual and real trading company, ironically your colleague, the Right Honourable Ian McCartney opened the premises from where they trade and I'm sure a quick internet search for them would have cast aside any doubts as to their legitimacy. It says that the letters I presented were not on letter headed paper, this is because nearly everything communicated between Thailand and England was by email and there was insufficient time between the request of confirmation of my salary and the date of the interview to have original copies sent from England, these however are now in my possession. It says that the ECO is not satisfied as to who owns or who resides at the house where I proposed to stay until I sought our own accommodation, or who resides there at present but I enclosed a copy of the title deeds and a copy of the HM Land Registry, certificate of transfer of whole title, transferring the property from my Mother and Father solely to my Mother as part of their divorce settlement. I also enclosed a letter from her saying she has sufficient space at her house and two utility bills in her name to show she resides there. I had provided overwhelming proof that my family and I are in a position to support ourselves in the UK. The reasons the claim was rejected were false. I find it astonishing that one can pay 300 pounds (sterling, I note now 500 pounds sterling) for a 'service' such as this and not so much as expect the government handling the matter to run a quick internet search on an insurance co. an applicant says he's going to work for, or to email the person the applicant says he is going to source work from or double check an address they say the are going to reside at. What does the fee pay for exactly? Clearly nothing at all to do with the application itself.

    I note the disclaimer at the bottom of the rejection: In any UK visa application, the onus rests with the applicant to satisfy the Entry Clearance Officer (ECO) that they meet all the relevant criteria of the Immigration Rules. Although offers of support from a sponsor in the UK are, of course, taken into account, they do not outweigh the responsibility of the applicant to satisfy the ECO as to their own intentions… However you are entitled to appeal this decision under section 82(1) of the Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Act 2002. If you do so, your appeal will be dealt with in the United Kingdom.

    And so we appealed, we sent off our appeal on the form handed to us at the end of my girlfriend's interview and enclose a copy of it with this letter to you. We first sent the appeal by recorded delivery from Bangkok on 14
    th
    May 2007 and then emailed
    on 28
    th
    May 2007, this is a copy of the email we sent:

    Dear Sir/Madam

    My name is ********, I have no surname, I am of Lao nationality. I posted an appeal to you by recorded delivery from Kasetsart University Post Office Bangkok on the 14th May 2007. To date I have had no confirmation the letter has been received and no acknowledgment of it from you. I am obviously concerned that you may not have received our correspondence because the deadline to appeal passed on 23rd May.

    Can you please advise if it is with you?

    The application was for a settlement visa was rejected out of your Bangkok Embassy, the date of service was 25/4/2007 the post reference number is /********, my date of birth is ******, my address is *********************************************** Bangkok, 10900 THAILAND.

    Thank you in advance for your assistance.

    Regards

    **************

    This is a copy of the first unsatisfactory response we received, which asked for the information that you can see we already provided:

    Our ref: KB AIT Appeal number:

    Dear ************

    RE: ***********- Appellant

    Thank you for your email.

    Unfortunately, we are unable to deal with your request at this time because we can not supply information to an email address that is not in the name of the appellant or someone who is on our database as a party to the appeal. This reflects our legal obligation under the Data Protection Act.

    If you are the appellant and have sent this message from an email account which is not in your name please submit your original request to us by email along with the following information. This will allow us to verify your details against our records and respond to your enquiry:

    1.
    Your full name (including any aliases), Date of Birth and Nationality;

    2.
    Appeal number;

    3.
    The type of appeal you are enquiring about (e.g. Visit Visa/ Immigration);

    4.
    Where and when the appeal was lodged;

    5.
    Date when the application was refused;

    6.
    Home Office or Embassy Reference;

    We will not be able to deal with your request if the information provided is not consistent with our records. We apologise for any inconvenience this may cause but this is to ensure the security of your appeal.

    Kind regards

    Email Correspondence Section

    And so we responded the next day:

    Dear Sir or Madam

    Thank you for your email.

    I have already provided you with the information you have requested in my first email to you.

    This is my own email account and you should already be aware of it as it was given with my appeal.

    To conclude

    Your full name: (including any aliases), Date of Birth and Nationality; *********

    I have no surname and the only alias I have is with this email address which is my nickname and fiance's Surname combined **********

    Date of Birth:
    *********

    Nationality:
    Laotion (Laos)

    Appeal number:
    I don't have an appeal number because I am checking to see if you have received my appeal.

    > The type of appeal you are enquiring about:
    Settlement Visa

    > Where and when the appeal was lodged;
    Appeal was sent by post to your address in Loughborough from Bangkok on 14th May 2007

    > Date when the application was refused;
    application was refused out of Bangkok on 25th April 2007

    > Home Office or Embassy Reference:
    The post reference given at Bangkok British Embassy was /********

    Regards

    On 15
    th
    June 2007 we received this, quite a bizarre answer considering we told the appeal centre in our emails that we had sent the appeal direct to them, lest I write about the level of grammar and spelling:

    Our ref:CP AIT Appeal Number:Unknown

    Dear Sir

    Thank you for your email.

    From the information you have provided it has not been possible to find the appeal on our systems. As you recently submitted your appeal at the British Embassy it is possible that your appeal documents have not yet been received by us.

    The length of time it takes for an appeal to reach the us
    (sic)
    from British Embassies can vary. If you lodged your appeal at the British Embassie
    (sic)
    you may wish to contact them to find out if, or when, your appeal was sent to us.

    When we receive your appeal confirmation of this, in the form of a written notice (called a Notice of Pending Appeal, AIT11) will be sent to you.

    Regards, E-mail Correspondence Section

    In view of this worrying response we decided to send our appeal again (recorded delivery, post office receipt attached) and just over two weeks later sent this email on 3
    rd
    July.

    Dear Sir or Madam,

    I re-sent my appeal to you over two weeks ago, can you please confirm whether you have now received it? Please find all the information you require in accordance with the details of our application and previous emails to you below.

    Redards

    Again, we received a standard response on 11
    th
    July 2007:

    Our ref: AP Your appeal number:

    Dear Sir

    Thank you for your email.

    I could not locate your file which indicates to me that an appeal has not yet been lodged. We have got a back log of appeals so I would advise you to get in touch again in 3 weeks to double check.

    Kind regards

    Email Correspondence section

    And so we wrote again after a three weeks wait on 9
    th
    August:

    Dear Sir or Madam,

    With regards to the ongoing strand below, can you please advise whether you have now received our appeal and processed its information on your computer system?

    We look forward to hearing from you.

    Regards

    Finally we received this on the 14
    th
    August which leads to us close to giving up hope:

    Our ref: NM Your appeal number: N/A

    Dear Sir/Madam

    Thank you for your email.

    All appeals received by us are created within 5 working days of receipt. Your letter email states that an appeal was lodged at the AIT Loughborough on 14
    th
    May, however no appeal has been created on our systems. Therefore this appeal may have been received incomplete.

    We can only accept appeals on completed appeal forms. Details of how to appeal and a relevant appeal form should have been included with the notice of decision. You may wish to re-send your appeal, ensuring that it is fully and accurately completed. The AIT-2 form and guidance notes, which provides information on how to appeal, can be accessed via our website:
    . Please provide detailed reasons for this appeal being out of time along with evidence of how and when the original appeal was submitted.

    Completed appeal forms should be sent to:

    Asylum and Immigration Tribunal

    PO Box
    7866

    Loughborough

    LE11 2XZ

    or by fax to 01509 221 699

    Kind regards

    Email Correspondence section

    In summing up you can see that this has been a very arduous and often futile pursuit, I am very concerned about the future of my family if anything would happen to me. Whilst my unborn son will have access to Britain by having a right to a British passport as a British citizen, it is quite conceivable that he will not be able to visit the country of his father's origin and his grandparents accompanied by his mother except with a tourist visa? How is this acceptable? Furthermore how can the British government take quite a considerable amount of money from a family and give them nothing back in return, not even the right to an appeal, or not at least a workable right to an appeal (it seems).

    Can anybody help?

  9. Hi Mahout, I am really grateful for all your help on this and I do think that your devil's advocate approach is helping a great deal, I can see where you are coming from.

    However comments such as... 'you should accept some responsibility for putting her in this position' are very unfair and hurtful.

    We are happy and in love with each other, we both got ourselves into this position and we will get ourselves out of it albeit with good objective help and advice, for which we are very grateful.

    To imply I should accept some responsibility when it is quite evident that I am doing the very best I can and WE are both taking responsibility, hurts a great deal. And I just feel the need to point this out.

    I couldn't find a smiley with tears but if there was one it would be here now crying.

  10. Thanks for all your help on this so far, for which I am very grateful, as I am reading through your posts I am making ground.

    I specifically wonder where Mahout Angrit derives 'You say your Dad showed a bank account containing £2000 to support your family until you found a job. Does your Dad work does he have an income. Do you know how long £2000 would last if you had to pay rent and support a family without an income? Was he prepared to give you that £2000? was that his only bank account?'

    I wrote: I enclosed a letter from my Dad explaining he would provide further support. Together with original bank accounts with a sum of 2000 pounds, Is this not evidence? The bank accounts are mine not my Dad's my Dad wrote he would give further financial support.

    After we applied we received an invitation for my other half to attend an interview, with this invitation the Embassy asked me to confirm my salary when I worked in England and confirm how money had been put into my account since I'd been in Thailand. I obtained another letter from my ex employer (albeit by email with no headed paper which I have come to learn to my misfortune was a big mistake) and my pay slips which are real and can no way be falsified. If this company I worked for and am in correspondence with are not real how can I produce real payslips in my name for the dates I say I worked for them?

    Furthermore if the documents I provided were considered to be suspicious in any nature why didn't the Embassy request original documentation from my ex employer when they requested confirmation of my salary. Why didn't they ask for further clarification of whatever they needed to prove my parents own the house, albeit only one of them occupies it?

    The reasons they have rejected the case are all to do with information they had before the interview, there was no need to call my girlfriend in and ask questions that on occasion bordered on racism (have you ever had a farang boyfriend? or keui mee fen farang mai? as my girlfriend heard it, would they ask this of a Kenyan or Peruvian?). This is the point I am at a loss to understand. There was no need for the interview on the basis of their rejection.

    To not request original documentation when they requested the other two items to support the claim, is to not notify me that the claim is corrupt and is therefore completely misleading.

    Despite my raising original payslips from that company they have still been disregarded.

    An email and a phone call could have put this right, if I would have been in the interview I could have explained this and they could have checked it's not much to ask them after spending 300 pounds on the matter. The way our case has been treated is negligent. It's as if the person who first prepared my case and asked for further information had a completely different idea as to how to deal with it than who made the final decision.

    The Scouser, thank you for your advice once again, would this mean that the British Embassy would issue my child with a British Passport if the child is born in Thailand with my name on the Birth Certicate? Or as I expect is it not as simple as that?

    Erikr the description of the interviewer you describe is spot on, the two questions that upset the most where the one I mention above and 'after we met and she came back to my place what happened next?' In a professional and crucial environment involving a pregnant lady's future this line of questioning from an official representing the British Government is far from acceptable. Any help on this issue will be well received.

    Thanks for your time.

  11. Our baby is due in 6 months, if we don't get the visa sorted out within at least 4 months how can we legitimise our child and ensure his/her citizenship? There's no point marrying in Thailand because the Laos governent won't recognise the marriage without granting permission and they won't grant it now because she's starting to show she's pregnant.

    This decision is a joke? Is there any way we can speed the process up due to our very specific reasons?

  12. My other half has just come out of the British Embassy sobbing after the way she was disregared at the British Embassy and I am too calm to be livid.

    We have had our application for settlement rejected on so many spurious bases that the word erroneous can only go so far as to explain what kind of service my hard earned 300 sterling has just been wasted on.

    Any pointers as to where I should go next would be of great help, to put you in the picture I'll draw your attention to the 'reasons' for our rejection.

    The notice of Immigration Decision reads: I am not satisfied your application meets the requirements that; you cannot be adequetly maintained without taking employment until the date you marry (how would my girlfriend be able to seek employment when she can't even speak English and is 3 months pregnant?) and you cannot be adequetly maintained without seeking recourse to public funds following your marriage and be accomadated in accomodation which you or your partner occupy exclusively.

    The first line of the because part reads; you have submitted a letter that you claim is an offer of employment from ****** ********* for your fiance. However I am not satisfied the letter is genuine, it is typed on plain white paper and there is no company logo.

    The correspondence referred to is a printed email from my ex-boss asking me to pop in for a chat when I get home, I did not claim it was a letter of an offer of employment but stated it could be construed tacitly that I would have no problem finding employment immediately when I got home. The Embassy's rejection does no less than state that I am a liar and fraudster. I thought that any documents had to be taken in utmost good faith, am I wrong? If they emailed the writer surely this point could be proved/disproved.

    Furthermore the Embassy wrote I am not satisfied that if this insurance (potential employer) company is registered and trading in the UK as claimed (surely a google search could clear that one up) the paper would be on letter head type... again this is a print of an email. I also note the letter is in pristine condition and has never been folded. It's a print of an email and whether it has been folded or not is inconsequential.

    You have failed to submit any evidence of the claimed financial support, I enclosed a letter from my Dad explaining he would provide further support. Together with original bank accounts with a sum of 2000 pounds, Is this not evidence?

    You state that your fiances mother (no apostrophe) will accomodate you in the UK. I note you have submitted a document detailing that there was a joint ownership of a property. However as his parents no longer live together I am not satisfied as to who owns this house and furthermore you have not submitted any details in the form of an official report etc. etc.

    So now I am being penalised because my parents seperated 10 years ago, and if they have both written confirming their support (father financial and mother accomodation) isn't it inconsequential as to who owns the house, I proved the mortgage has been paid off.

    I have a job waiting for me when I get home, and I have 2000 in the bank, I will probably earn 17000 PA if I decide to work for my old employers, meaning after the cost of the flights (British Embassy quote 1000 pounds for this) I would still have about the same (if not more) than I would earn each month.

    Finally my girlfriend was asked a number of highly inappropriate questions in the interview; Have you ever had a Western boyfriend before? What happened when we got back to my place after the first time we met? Why can't you marry in Thailand?

    When my girlfriend explained that she is Laotion and their laws regarding allowing citizens permission to marry aren't straight forward like they are in Thailand all the interviewer did was ask 'why not' and then dismissed my girlfriend's claim.

    My girlfriend was also instructed to look at the interviewer when answering not the translator, naturally she looked at the translator because she was speaking the same language.

    I have put together a realistic claim with (as far as I can see) enough documentary evidence, I understand that the onus rests on me to satisfy the ECO etc. etc. but without dragging all the people involved into a room and showing the ECO face to face who they are and what they say I can't really see as I can do a lot more than what I have done.

    Can anybody profer any advice?

  13. After reading Andrew Hicks's post, I've just realised I've dropped a proverbial ball in the application, I just signed each page of my copied passport thinking that was certification, I now realise I should have took it into the consulate.

    Is this going to cause a problem, and/or is it worth phoning up the Embassy to enquire before I go on my jollies to Ko Pan Ngan for a few days to de-stress?

  14. When you get a free moment why don't you , anonymosly , call the Embassy and report this happening to them and ask them who is right.? If its a scam they need to know , or if correct them the form needs amending to be clearer

    Atlast: good point well made, I might just do that.

    Regarding your comment Moss, I have absolutley no faith whatsoever and if we do get approved I will be very surprised. My lack of faith is indeed dwindling (as if it could) the lad at the Visa Application Centre has just phoned up to ask how much money did we give him? I'm more than bewildered, shouldn't that be their job to record how much money we give them before Mrs Boothy leaves the office, rather than ringing her up 5 hours later and saying 'sorry, how much did you give us again?' If they can't remember how much I gave them how can I be assured all the documentation I slogged over is still in the organised state it was for the Embassy?

    I'll be having kittens before Mrs Boothy gives birth. I've just gone mad and kicked some sticky rice. 'This is our and our unborn child's future your playing with!' I feel like screaming! But nobody understands, so the kao niao gets it!

  15. Me and my Mrs went to the UK Visa handling agent this morning with all our paperwork to apply for the settlement visa (wish us luck, we need it) and the first thing they said was that we needed to buy more photographs @ 250 baht, because the ones we had for the application weren't suitable having an aqua blue background.

    According to the VAF2 Settlement Form it clearly states the photo should be on an evenly lit and plain light background. It doesn't say anything about it having to be a white background and if that is the case then it should say so. To me aqua blue is light.

    This is a flagrant scam: everybody present needed to redo their photographs and at 250 baht a pop somebody is onto a winner.

    For those to apply make sure you have a white background 45mm x 35mm.

    I know it's only a few quid but after all the hard work and organising to put the application together little things like this really get my goat (to coin a phrase).

    If this issue has been raised before I apologise.

  16. Sorry for bringing this to the top again but just thought it may be worthwhile asking for some more help, we've already started putting the motion in process to apply for my girlfriend's Uk fiancee visa and are grateful for the advice received on here which has helped a great deal.

    In an effort to legitimise our relationship under Laos jurisdiction we went to the Laos Embassy in Bangkok to ask could we organise the 'permission to marry' in Thailand to save me having to go home to organise the medicals and affadavits etc. (they were less than helpful) to cut a long story short they said 'we don't know, why can't you go to Vientiane?' which doesn't answer whether we can organise the permission to marry here in Thailand and then submit the paperwork to Vientiane.

    It says on the rules the medical should be done in each parties country of residence, that would mean the UK for me (or would it?), I note a previous poster mentioned his girlfriend organised this in Khon Kaen, what exactly did you organise, can the Laos Embassy issue permission to marry?

    If we can't obtain permission to marry from the Laos government we'll have to get married wherever regardless and then come back to Laos in a few years pretending we're not married with no children and marry again in Laos, thus having all the documents after we've been in England... It seems whichever way round one goes, one somehow ends up breaking the law... whether one wants to or not. Please Help!

    This seems (to me) rather an arse about tit way of going about things, has anybody with any relevant prior experience any comment or help?

  17. Thanks for all of your positive posts, I took the weekend off from thinking about it but I'm back on the visa trail today, just been to Silom to register the TB test and to the hospital for actual medical confirmation, our little one is due 15th October. For the record I am well acquainted with the in laws, they are very happy for us; I'm not scared stiff of them, more so the Lao government and police. Seeing as I've had so much of a positive response on this I'll keep you abreast of developments just in case anybody in the future runs into similar problems, as I imagine the likelihood is quite, likely. :o

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