jaypee

I'm hedging my bets that a Finns/Nordics may have contracted the illness during their journey to Thailand, or by interacting with each other.

People get Legionnaires' disease when they breathe in a mist or vapor (small droplets of water in the air) that has been contaminated with the bacteria. One example might be from breathing in the steam from a whirlpool spa that has not been properly cleaned and disinfected.

The bacteria are NOT spread from one person to another person.

- CDC website

additionally from their website:

Legionnaires' disease can be very serious and can cause death in up to 30% of cases.

I wouldn't ever GO NEAR a public whirlpool/spa in Thailand !!! The western, developed world has VERY STRICT regulations when it comes to sanitation to deal especially with these jacuzzi/whirlpools/spas (pools are not that dangerous, as they do not evaporate the water "dust" in the same way)

1, All water has to pass through a professional UV-light system that kills all today known bacterias.

2, The "buubling" has to be turned OFF and ON in 15min cycles.

3, pH / free chlorine / combined chlorine has to be 24-7-365 regulated by sophistacated computerized automats/chemical pumps.

To double check the water quality has to be measured manually 3 times a day

4, The water system has to have a "bleed" - which means that old, used water has to be replaced with new, fresh.

These are only a few of the regulations. All routines are shall be logged and routines checked regularly by Health Authorities. KNOWING THE THAI "ATTITUDE", I SERIOUSLY DOUBT ANY OF THESE REGULATIONS ARE IN PLACE AND PRACTICED ....

As I know, - there are over 30 different kind of Legionella bacterias - but only a few of them are dangerous. The "mild" one can give a disease known as "Pontiac Fever" but are not DEADLY as the main one. As posted before, I would also think that if someone became sick from these bacterias, - surely the whole case would be "dismissed" as something else (re. the Bird Flu ...)

So, - be careful with you "bubbling" activities out there. Back in the west, there are regulations/routines to take care of it, - but here in the "Land of Mai Pen Rai / Maak Ngai" ???!!!

One of the problems is that the offcial Immigration Police translations of the new Immigration Law - seems to be NOT CORRECT. According to Sunbelt Asia's more correct (I can not read Thai, so I'll take their word for it) translation of 606/2006 (enclosed as a pdf document in this thread: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?sh...95093&st=15 ) there are lots of error in the official one. So, before one should "throw in interpretations" - one should relate to the right translation and the practising of the 606/2006

Please heed your own advice! I have compared both translations, have you? The crux of the matter is the use of the words 'and' & 'or' When 'and' is used then both conditions must be met but when 'or' is used. you only have to meet one condition. e.g. 'fish and chips' is a combination of both whereas 'fish or chips' is only one. These regulations do not refer to a Thai supporting an alien rather the other way round.

I will simplify my sentence 'If you are supporting a child then the child must be unmarried, living with the family and under 20 or if you are supporting a parent, i.e. one of your parents, then that parent must be 50 or over.' more.

'If the alien is supporting a Thai child or if the alien is supporting a Thai parent.' Alien supporting a Thai parent? That can't happen. can it? If the child of a Thai/Farang marriage has not taken Thai citizenship then yes it could. The main word in my modified sentence is 'or' - only one condition must be met. To meet both conditions of having a Thai child and being over 50 then the wording would be similar to ' If the alien is supporting a child then the child must be unmarried, living with the family and under 20 and the alien must be 50 or over.

Now can anyone show me that in order to get a visa to support a child then you have to be over 50?

I am not of english speaking origin , but the first translation, I interpretated clearly as IF the alien did not have 40K monthly income – then he should show proof of 400K in the bank. In Sunbelt’s translation the 400K in the bank is dependant on that you have been granted an extension before the the new rules (socalled Grandfathered in). This to me, - is a MAJOR difference ….

National Police Office Order

No. 606/2549 Chapter 7.17 (6)

Royal Thai Immigration Police Translation:

In the case of an alien married to a Thai woman, any party or both must have a total income of not less than Baht 40,000 per month, except for aliens who entered the Kingdom before this Order came into force and granted a permit to stay in the Kingdom. If the alien does not have the minimum income above, he shall have an account deposit in Thailand in the name of either party or both of not less than Baht 400,000. Proof of account deposit for the previous 3 months is required.

Sunbelt’s translation:

In case of the applicant who is married to a Thai wife, one of them or both of them need to have the total annual income that is averaged out not less than 40,000 Baht per month. Except for the case that the said foreign national has entered Thailand before this Order is enforced and the foreign national has been permitted to stay in the Kingdom by the result of having married to a Thai wife, then if the applicant does not have the said income, then, the latest 3 months records of the account book of any Bank in Thailand with the account name of either or both parties need to have the amount of money not less than 400,000 Baht.

But as Maestro writes: - “But again, in the end it is the original Thai text that counts, nothing else.” - TRUE !!!

One of the problems is that the offcial Immigration Police translations of the new Immigration Law - seems to be NOT CORRECT. According to Sunbelt Asia's more correct (I can not read Thai, so I'll take their word for it) translation of 606/2006 (enclosed as a pdf document in this thread: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?sh...95093&st=15 ) there are lots of error in the official one. So, before one should "throw in interpretations" - one should relate to the right translation and the practising of the 606/2006

Isaan women tend to be ugly , there are many available Thai women mixed with Chinese blood that are very attractive and unlike Issan women they do not all look alike.

Why not set your goals a little bit higher ?

The most stupid post I have ever read on this forum, - unless it is a tasteless joke !!!

Your translation is very much different than you'll find on the official website of the Immigration Police. I can fully understand yours and the logic (or loss of....) of it.

If your tranlation is correct, - you are therefore right in all your answers in this case.

10-4 and thank you very much. I might become a customer of yours one day .....

Sorry, seems that our posts crossed each other. You answer some of the Q's in my latest post. Still do not agree with your way of "reading" the clause, though.... BTW, does anyone know if it translated correctly ??

Sorry, - but I still haven't got any aswer if Order 606/2549 - 7.17 (6) is translated and understood right, quoting - "If the alien does not have the minimum income above, he shall have an account deposit in Thailand in the name of either party or both of not less than Baht 400,000. Proof of account deposit for the previous 3 months is required"-

This clause is taking care of those of who has got no REGULAR MONTHLY income, - or?

Is there more to this Act / Order - is it mistranslated - or what ?? As it stands now; - this alien has not got the minimum income, BUT HAS not less than Baht 400.000. and CAN PROOF this by showing account deposits for the previous 3 months !!! So I should be granted an Non Imm O extension. Right?

I have not asked my embassy to have my income certified, but I doubt that they are able to do this before at least a year after the income is made. In Scandinavia, where I come from - we have a tax declaration annually and the income is finally certified the followingyear. Also, since I am working international, I get quite a bit of my annual income outside Scandinavia.

With people that are on state pensions and alike, there should be no problems to have this certified, - but in my case as self employed, I do not think my embassy could or would certify any income before a year after. That would of course create a new problem .....

The reference to the Acts you can find HERE

I have been on extensions for several years, - however, for reasons due to some business relations - my extension expired when I was unable to renew it. I then had to start with a new Non O the 28th of August this year.

I do not know what is the law here, - but the new regulations as I refer to in my first post ( Order of the Royal Thai Police Headquarters No. 606/2549 ), clearly states: -"If the alien does not have the minimum income above, he shall have an account deposit in Thailand in the name of either party or both of not less than Baht 400,000. Proof of account deposit for the previous 3 months is required"- This order is from this year and I have copied it from Royal Thai Immigration Police's website.

Since I am working as a self employed international consultant, I do not have a regulaer monthly income - but I make much more than 480K annually. Does this mean that I can not transfer larger amounts 3-4 times a year - but rather divide it into 12 equal transfers of no less than 40K ???

Can anyone confirm that this is the the right way to understand the new law, - being an "alien" married to a Thai woman:

Order of the Royal Thai Police Headquarters No. 606/2549. Re: Rules and Conditions in the Consideration of Alien Applications for Temporary Stay in the Kingdom of Thailand

Chapter 7.17 (6)

In the case of an alien married to a Thai woman, any party or both must have a total income of not less than Baht 40,000 per month, except for aliens who entered the Kingdom before this Order came into force and granted a permit to stay in the Kingdom. If the alien does not have the minimum income above, he shall have an account deposit in Thailand in the name of either party or both of not less than Baht 400,000. Proof of account deposit for the previous 3 months is required.

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The (very unpolite) Immigration officer at the Mukdahan Imm.Offce REFUSED to receive my application for extension of NonImm. O when I did not show evidence of a monthly income of 40K. In my documentation it was legally proof of bank deposits much more than 400K that has been transferred from abroad and in over 3 months.

Anyone with similar experiences?

I found this website: http://www.lostinthailand.com/thailand-gui...estaurants.html - it´ll give you the phone number to the restaurant in the hotel. If you don´t have any luck, - try to contact mr.Klaus at "White Elephant" (best restaurant in Roi Et) at 043 - 514778. I´m sure they can help you with a contact to the PETCHARAT GARDEN HOTEL (Good Bargain!!) ... and after all, Roi Et is a nice Isaan city.

It`s over !!! The shit is hopefully gone .... I`ve tried it ALL!! What finally solved the problem, was this link: www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/topic43659.html - and the combination of these two small programs: FixSF / SmitRem. Thanks for all help, - this was a hard one.

Without any warning, I`ve got this "crazy" trojan into my PC - and it keep saying that my PC is infected with virus and that I should get a "solution" from their site. I have tried EVERYTHING, but I can not get this ######ing shit out of my PC. Anybody knows how?

Without any warning, I`ve got this "crazy" trojan into my PC - and it keep saying that my PC is infected with virus and that I should get a "solution" from their site. I have tried EVERYTHING, but I can not get this ######ing shit out of my PC. Anybody knows how?

Bus service from BKK (Morchit) with VIP-24 (999). Nice, A/C, 24 seats in a originally 50 seaters bus. Approx. 500 THB for the 7+ hr ride. Flying with PB Air (www.pbair.com) into Roi-Et Airport, awfully early in the morning is 2400 THB, - but a pleasant 50 min ride on those new Embraers.

BTW; Roi-Et is a nice city - stay at the new Petcharat Garden Hotel, take a pooying-spotting stroll in the amazing Bueng Palan Chai Park in the afternoon, and meet other farangs at the White Elephant in the evening.

Welcome outside the Bar Areas - to the Heart of Isaan !!!

Long live His Majesty the King of Thailand which I utmost respect for his Wisdom.

There is one in Mukdahan, and possibly closer to your place - I should think Aranyaphratet on the Cambodian border. I have never been there but I`ll guess it might be an imm.office yhere since so many people are doing visa-runs there.

JayPee