JanJane

is the answer

Just one more thing to add, the handsome men with money who are hetersexual and not cowards, are up themselves! Oh, I suppose they fit into the not so nice handsome men category. Yep, I think she's just about got it covered Mark!

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I think a "ngoo sing" is a rat snake. I've got a small green snake somewhere behind the toilet tank / under the toilet tank (can't see it, didn't see it, my husband did though). No idea what kind, every time I show my Thai husband a different picture, he says "that's it!" to everything! I need a pee, but am too scared to bare my behind to the toilet snake. Any ideas? Could it be a viper???? The only decent decription I can get is: just less than a metre long (probably exaggeration), width of a little finger and green.

I have been told by Special Branch that the rule is five years continuous residence in Thailand, based on your name appearing on household registration. You must be on household registration to have PR, but can register yourself before PR is attained.

So, my understanding is that if you register yourself on a household registration on arrival, satisfy the requirements for and obtain PR after three years, then wait another two years, you can apply for citizenship (assuming you meet the other requirements such as language, etc.).

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You can get on a house registration with ease ? Only ways without PR are owning a condo or having BOI investment privileges as I understand it

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Exactly my question Dr Pat. I was at the Ampour about a month ago, and they are friendly and sympathetic, they know I paid for the land and the house, there response was not possible and can't think of a way to do it, gifts, no gifts nothing.

So this argument is almost seems like an etherial Catch-22, you can't get your name in the book until you have PR, but you can't get PR until your name is in the book.

I've recently been to the Thai Police HQ in Bangkok (Rama 1 Rd) and they say I can get on the house registration papers (yellow book) as I've been married for over 5 years to a Thai man. I need my passport certified by the British Embassy and translated into Thai then certified by MFA, Thai marriage cert, British marriage cert (also certified by British Embassy, translated into Thai and certified by MFA) husband's ID card and house papers. They then say I can apply for Thai citizenship after this (but I haven't been living here for 5 years yet) to my provincial police, but I then must go to provincial immigration and give up my British nationality. I think the main problem is that Amper offices outside Bangkok rarely know the procedures (my local Amper office has told me for 2 years that I cannot get on the house reg papers). However, I will believe I can if and when I finally see my name on the house reg papers!

"Technically" is definitely the right answer. I have tried, and failed. Not because of any qualification limitations but because the provincial police are unaware that any of them can do the job! We went to apply, and noone knew how to do it! They just shook their heads, said "Not me!" and suggested we try Immigration (it must be done through the police). Will keep trying!

There is at least one TV member who does have citizenship (male) that I know of. Lots of requirements but, apparently, doable (if you live in Bangkok )

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Its amusing how some people sound off without bothering to do the most basic and elementary research.You cannot apply to be a citizen without the necessary prerequisite of having had permanent residence for 10 years (though I believe this number may have been reviewed.)

Then, why Boris, do the national Thai police tell me that I can apply for Thai citizenship after simply having been married to a Thai man for over 5 years? (I have no PR, haven't lived in Thailand for 5 years and was married in the UK!). Where did you get this information? The Thai nationality act does not state the need for a PR.