kiwiaussie
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On 3/10/2024 at 5:55 AM, Ralf001 said:
I have heard it does not cover everything but I cannot find what is excluded.
Do you have a list/link ?
I had surgery in December, Was offered either full cut or key hole.
Key hole was not covered by SS.
Would be good to know what else is not covered.
Here's a good article
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58 minutes ago, brianthainess said:
Why surely he could leave on a valid UK passport.
nope. Thailand want to see the entry and exit stamp in the same passport. He won't be able to leave. Catches out many UK and US folk given they don't have a formal exit imigration. Thailand does.
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If he enters on the Thai passport, he'll have to leave on a new valid one. Make sure you'll be able to renew his PP in Thailand and have all the documents with you to do so. Otherwise he'll be stuck here. That will mean being registered on the Tabien Baan, and ideally, having an ID card if aged over 7.
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21 hours ago, KhunBENQ said:
I watched the second English language video in full length.
Very interesting contribution.
But with all the paperwork and queuing I don't feel tempted.
Driving into communist East Berlin in the 80s was a piece of cake compared and took less than an hour
As much as you might be skeptical about EU/Europe but at least you can sit in your car and drive from Northern Cape to the Mediterranean sea with no hassle. I miss that here.
Saving money for flight?
Wouldn't it be an option to park car on the Thai side and use local transportation in Cambodia (if any)?
driving to East Berlin would have been super interesting!
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On 1/10/2024 at 8:04 PM, Thailand J said:
yes it appears so!
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Honestly, if you are starting from zero now preparation now, I wouldn't bother. You are going to need notarisation and police records from your home country, documents and tax returns from your HR, plus time to have the PR desk check them all, vet them. You normally have to get the ball rolling well before the offical announcement.
Given you are married to a Thai citizen you can skip PR anyway for roughly the same qualifications. Paperwork is much easier and it only costs 5,000 baht (vs 98,000 for PR). You can apply all year around too. No need to choose nationalities and the Thai language test is waived for married applicants.
https://www.thaicitizenship.com/thai-citizenship-application-process/
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Just saw this online:
https://www.thaicitizenship.com/thai-permanent-residency-for-2023-applications-now-open/
Digging in, looks legit. The PR page of the immigration website is here:
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Would it be an issue in life? Mostly no, except at perhaps the worse possible time, as Heng, suggests.
Is it hard to change? No. A quick trip to the district office to get a new ID card issued, and then the next passport the name will be updated.
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She entered on her foreign passport, she should exit on it. If she's under 15, no stress, as their is no fine.
You should always enter and exit thailand on the same passport.
https://www.thaicitizenship.com/traveling-as-a-dual-citizen/
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2 minutes ago, 2long said:
Really? To be honest, this would be perfect. Is there a link to a thread for this?
Thank you in advance.
The best site for this is www.thaicitizenship.com - lots of free guidance there.
Also a long running thread here (300+ pages).
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Why on earth are you going for residency? If you are married to a Thai citizen then you can skip PR and get citizenship with roughly the same qualifications. Substantially cheaper (5000 baht vs 98,000 baht) and comes with a heck of a lot more rights.
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19 hours ago, DrJoy said:
That is up to your daughter to break the law. Using other nationality is a ground for cancellation of Thai citizenship.
Its the Thai law -
THAI NATIONALITY ACT, B.E. 2508 (1965)
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A person, who hold Thai nationality by birth in the Kingdom of Thailand and has an alien father or mother, may be revoked of his or her Thai nationality, if it appears that:
(1) he or she resides in a foreign country, where his or her father or mother has or used to have nationality, for a consecutive period of more than five years;
(2) there is evidence indicating that he or she uses the nationality of his or her father or mother or other nationality, or has inclined towards the nationality of his or her father or mother, or other nationality;
(3) having committed any act prejudicial to the national security or conflicting with the interests of the State or amounting to an insult to the nation;
(4) having committed any act in contrary to the public order or good morals. The Minister shall order the revocation of Thai nationality in cases of (1) or (2) in the Court, upon request from Public Prosecutor.
Ok sorry, may not be illegal but certainly a ground for cancellation of Thai citizenship.
You are misreading the law. This article explains how you are misreading those particular clauses in the nationality act
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19 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:
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3 hours ago, expat_4_life said:
Thanks for that, 2.23 is same as number 23 on the website, right?
Is it available on visa exempt entry?
Nice, one year, that should be more than sufficient to see to family matters.
Correct - that's the one. They should update their Thai ID when they arrive, and with that, head down to immigration and get an annual extension based on that. This article explains it all a little more:
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17 minutes ago, lextsy said:My Aussie wife and I had our child here and we are not eligible to get our son a thai passport. Racism is real people...
A child being born in Australia to two non-resident Thai parents wouldn't be eligible for citizenship there either. What's your point?
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21 hours ago, beammeup said:
The link you provided does not say anything about swapping passports. Some here are saying it is not allowed at border crossings. I just spoke to and immigration official who said it is not a problem.
You didn't read far enough. There is a Q&A section down the bottom under the article and 'passport swaps' are addressed there.
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20 minutes ago, beammeup said:
Yeah they might try to squeeze a few bob out of him. I'll make sure he has a purple note with him
As others as said, he won't be allowed to swap passports at land borders.
https://www.thaicitizenship.com/traveling-as-a-dual-citizen/
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3 hours ago, ExPatInChiangMai said:
I wanted to give a close out report on my daughter. Her Thai mother brought her Thai birth certificate issued by the Thai Consulate in LA. They registered her residence at her Grandma’s house n Bangkok and received her Thai ID. At the same time she got her Thai passport. SAME DAY! (Maybe US State Dept can learn something from Thailand).
Went to Thai immigration in Chiang Mai to see how they wanted to deal with her Tourist Visa.
Sure enough, as several of you suggested — she must leave Thailand and renter on her Thai passport. So, her aunt will be taking her Mai Sai to exit and return.
just a bit more nonsense: if she isn’t able to leave by June 3 (her 60 day depart date), I guess she will have to EXTEND the useless tourist visa in order to have time to depart!
if her aunt wasn’t nearby, I’m sure we would have just ignored it. Going forward she is Thai. At least while she’s in Thailand.
thanks to everyone for your input and help
Swapping passports at borders does not work. Repeat, does not work. Border guards on both sides look for stamp trails and don't like it if they are in separate passports.
It only works in the air, so she'll need to fly down to KL, Singapore or Phnom Penh and fly back into Thailand on her Thai passport.
As said, save yourself the heartburn and just front up the 1900 and get this visa. She just shows her ID card and she'll get this visa no worries. Next time she flies out she can do the passport swap.
About the Thai ancestry visa: https://www.thaicitizenship.com/thai-ancestry-visas/
About how dual citizens can travel: https://www.thaicitizenship.com/traveling-as-a-dual-citizen/
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If the mum and the child both entered on foreign passports they are both subject to Thai immigration rules. The mum will be fined for overstay despite the fact she is also a Thai citizen. Strange but true.
The child also should get a visa, but will not be fined for overstay until the age of 15.
Both of them can easily get this yearly extension of stay stamp in their swedish passport simply by showing proof of Thai citizenship.
Next time, they should just enter on their Thai passport to save any fuss.
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Thai's born overseas go through life with two birth certificates. Their foreign one, and a Thai one issued by the Thai embassy in the country of their birth. It literally is a birth certificate (as opposed to what others have said here). It is just slightly different format to the ones issued in Thailand. You can read about it here.
https://www.thaicitizenship.com/thai-citizenship-when-born-overseas/
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46 minutes ago, jjj555 said:
Thanks Maestro. I've seen that too. I'm thinking about bringing my aunt or brother to Udon with me. They live a couple of hours north of Bangkok.
If you can’t find your ID number for the district office to cross reference (it should be at the top of your Thai birth certificate), then you now have the option of a DNA test with close relatives to get citizenship https://www.thaicitizenship.com/thai-citizenship-using-dna-testing
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This is Thailand's position on dual nationality. In essence, for those born dual citizens, Thailand doesn't care.
https://www.thaicitizenship.com/thai-dual-citizenship/
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On 3/13/2023 at 4:09 PM, ExPatInChiangMai said:
Thank you, KiwiAussie. That is a very interesting article.
Since that is treated as an "extension of stay", my assumption is that she would NOT be allowed to work. This may be a means of buying her more time if needed (she has also applied to CM International University) so we another "fall back" option (assuming she is accepted, she can extend based on Education). So, I think we will be safe allowing her stay long enough for the Thai ID and passport solution.
Then, it looks like I'll get a Siem Reep and Angkor Wat vacation with her to clear out her USA passport.
If she's got an ID card etc, then no one will question her. An ID card is all that is needed to get her a bank account, social security etc and be paid just like any other Thai.
Work permit and visas are separate departments. So for all intents and purposes she'll be treated as a Thai for everything except visa issues, so she'll be on the visa treadmill until she returns on a Thai passport and closes that loop. Strange but true.
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she wont be able to 'close out' her visa as the previous poster suggested though it would be good if she could.
If the enters Thailand on a foreign passport she'll be subject to the rules as they apply to that nationality. She'll have to leave and re-enter Thailand on her Thai passport.
Fortunately, if she isn't planning on doing any imediate travel, she can get an extended one-year visa based off showing her Thai ID or showing she is the child of a Thai citizen https://www.thaicitizenship.com/thai-ancestry-visas/
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24 years and the OP could have been either a PR or a citizen by now, and this wouldn't have been an issue. Sounds like he was totally eligible the entire time.
Whatever the case, as others said, get your social security health insurance locked in. You only have 6 months post finishing work to sign up for it (a one off thing too), but at 432 baht per month for near universal coverage, it is remarkably good value.
https://www.thaicitizenship.com/thai-social-security/