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rixalex

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  1. 3 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

    Wait, we were discussing the current impasse, not what comes after that. In order to get there, the current impasse needs to get solved first. Only for that one I argued a referendum would provide a final choice. Whether you want a referendum for any future trade deal is another question. 

     

    Solve one impasse to move on to the next impasse. Continual impasses until parliament gets the 2016 decision reversed.

  2. 41 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

    It’s hard to imagine what reasonable “final choice” anyone could propose after it.

    It's not hard to imagine at all. If May's deal gets voted for, then all that has been voted for is the withdrawal agreement. Nobody has had a chance to vote on what the deal will be outside of the EU. So remainers can then demand a "final choice" on whether to accept the deal outside the EU, or return back to the EU.

  3. 17 hours ago, 7by7 said:

    As I have asked many times

    Here's a suggestion, rather than repeatedly asking a question which has already been answered - which as i have said before, is trollish behaviour that really should be beneath you, (and no, before you ask, i haven't reported you), why not just make the statement that underlies the manner in which you ask the question and the manner in which you refuse to accept any of the hundred of times it has been answered..

     

    ...and that is to state, "i believe that leavers fear a referendum because they will lose and i don't think there is any other possible reason for them not wanting another vote, and nothing you can say will change my mind about that"... and then, if you did that, everyone knows where they stand and nobody wastes time answering a question for which you will never accept any answer besides the one that you have decided is correct.

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  4. 17 hours ago, 7by7 said:

    To imply that the STV system is too complicated for voters to understand is rather an insult, I think. After all, it is used in some elections in Scotland and Northern Ireland and they seem to understand it! Are you saying that the Welsh and English wont be able to?

    I am saying that one of the main reasons given by remainers for ignoring the 2016 vote was that people didn't know what they were voting for and that the whole issue of remaining or leaving was far too complex for people to get their heads around. Now you want to have another vote in which, as i have already mentioned, there will be three options: one, a 600 page document that only deals with the withdrawal; two, a no deal in which nobody really knows what the outcome would be; and three, remain, in which nobody really knows how Britain would work side by side with EU nations after the last three years of bickering and fighting.

     

    Whereas in 2016, voters where supposed to just be selecting a direction of travel, with the politicians then working on the finer details of how we go in that direction, now voters are expected to get involved with the detail. I'm not suggesting it is too complicated for voters to understand, i'm suggesting that if the 2016 vote is going to be scrapped on the basis that it was flawed because of lack of understanding and complexity, the new vote you propose will be no different. In fact it will be worse.

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