norwayeagle

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Miraculous that not more people dies during songkran, or any other "normal day for that sake..

Back home the population would be cut to the half if they "party as the Thais do .

If she was married to a Thai policeman when he killed her (if indeed he did) then why on earth would he leave her body decomposing in his house, it just doesn't add up. Surely he would be expecting the police to come round and look for her.

Because he is former idiot know it all of the phuket forum. You should check it out and his previous posts, total mental retardation.

A life should never be taken full stop, this is why the human race is on self destruction mode, talk before thinking,act with out thinking!!!

Maybe the world is in such a pickle because of people that think like you! Here are a few examples of scum that have no right to live once caught.

1. Child rapists.

2. Woman beaters and rapists.

3. Serial killers

4. Drug lords.

5. Contract Murderers

6. Terrorists

7. Drug Pushers

8. Career Criminals

9. Dictators and War criminals like Hitler, Sadum Haussan, Kudaffee etc

I am sure with some extra thought this list could easily be expanded. But hopefully you get the point. Maybe you acted without thinking!

10. sex buyers.

No leader has ever did as much good for his fellow country men as colonel Gadaffi did.

Sex buyers?? Unless the prostitutes are slaves or children, it is a victim-less situation. You forgot to take your pills this morning

A life should never be taken full stop, this is why the human race is on self destruction mode, talk before thinking,act with out thinking!!!

Maybe the world is in such a pickle because of people that think like you! Here are a few examples of scum that have no right to live once caught.

1. Child rapists.

2. Woman beaters and rapists.

3. Serial killers

4. Drug lords.

5. Contract Murderers

6. Terrorists

7. Drug Pushers

8. Career Criminals

9. Dictators and War criminals like Hitler, Sadum Haussan, Kudaffee etc

I am sure with some extra thought this list could easily be expanded. But hopefully you get the point. Maybe you acted without thinking!

No leader has ever did as much good for his fellow country men as colonel Gadaffi did.

OP has spent years in a little village.

Obviously bored to death, he has started to "research" the village (including neigbouring villages).

He concludes his years of studies with the question whether the people in the region (about 25-30+ million of them?) can think?

Question to OP, what were you thinking???

lol

Who are you to Jugde, lol

Ahh, there you are.

Was wondering when you would appear.

Let me see, Im pretty sure I was judging the OP.

Was that not clear to you?

;-)

OP is judging 25 million people (generalizing), and Im judging one single individual (OP).

Hehe you wont get it do you .

OP has spent years in a little village.

Obviously bored to death, he has started to "research" the village (including neigbouring villages).

He concludes his years of studies with the question whether the people in the region (about 25-30+ million of them?) can think?

Question to OP, what were you thinking???

lol

Who are you to Jugde, lol

Feudalistic society.

Yes indeed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feudalism

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiByRticoAQ stargazer Dream Theaters version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTrwo2F0amU&feature=related stargazer by DIO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJeBvNuYPMM&feature=related stargazer by Rainbow,Cozy Powell at drums,Dio

Now we all know . listen to a Pro next time. ( yeah yeah,,,,send me a medal ) ...............

Have lived in LOS for over a decade now and you couldn't pay me enough to go to Patpong..!!

They have Good air inborn cheese there.Might be that's one of the reasons for the changes .The smell .

There are not such a thing as a top delivery Pizza Service.

Mirage .

You Can make a stand outside a Ladies Toilet ,they run in and out there all day/nit long.

Buy a New one !

The politics of those campers on the island and immigration policies in Norway are indeed legit political issues for Norway. But nothing justifies those terror attacks.

Sadly, demonization of Israel and viewing the conflict there in a simple one sided way is totally mainstream all over today's Europe. So there wasn't anything really extraordinary or surprising about their politics.

Interesting, recently the ambassador of Norway to Israel (who appears to be a really great guy) pretty much acknowledged something that was news to me. Norway is considered the most anti-semitic nation in Europe. That takes some doing considering the "competition", perhaps even more so as Norway hardly has any Jews, and pre-holocaust only had about 4000.

In Day by day Life Norwegians hate Jews,Muslims,everyone that are not in a A4 format.like themselves .

When This Utøya/ explosion in the city happened,,All got friends (on the outside).

Everyone was "perfect. in showing care.

Now it's back to normal (almost) Muslims stay away from Norwegians,Jews away from Norwegians. Sikhs the same, Both ways it goes.

If Mr Killer was a Muslim he would be classified as a terrorist(which he is in my opinion) my Muslim friends are furious

So Back to normal.White with whites,Black with Blacks,,,,,,,There are a few exceptions of course!

From Police log:

17.27: Shots reported fired at Utøya to Nordre Buskerud police distrikt.

17.30: Operations central in Oslo police distrikt received the message as well.

17.38: Oslo police distrikt receives request for SWAT from Nordre Buskerud police distrikt.

17.52: First Police patrol arrive the area - must wait for prober boat.

18.03: Boat on it's way reported.

18.09: SWAT arrives.

18.25: SWAT land on the island.

18.27: Gunman arrested.

The entire operation takes exactly 60 minutes,

including waiting for boat and the SWAT to move from Oslo (prox 30-32 Km) to operations area.

Norwegian police do not have helicopters?

Hola Sensei...well they do,but am very glad asked and that you find this a "bit un professional !

Thanks for your awaken mind

The issue regarding helicopters have also been covered in the Norwegian media (by the Police).

The desicion in regards to use the helicopter or not was taken, based upon time, logistics, etc.

Im not sure if Norwayeagle is Norwegian, but if you are, you should be able to read this in the Norwegian media.

SWAT or armed guards on every gathering.

How many must be gathered, before armed personnel should be present?

Name one single country, in the histroy of the world, where that has been feasable.

edit due to spelling

You have great knowledge my friend

I Bow,and Thank you all !

I answer you to be polite .The Specials should have been there from the day 1 they opened the gathering !

With that reasoning than I guess every gathering anywhere, anytime needs to have special forces/SWAT covering it. Didn't know Norway was a police state.

It has nothing to do with being a police state or not...it's about securing the people with professionals.Not by police

Ps: A police state we all have,every single country if u ask me! Guess you know what the Police has for job,,,Does it work? do they protect you or the wrongdoers? Do they come when needed? Puppies

From Police log:

17.27: Shots reported fired at Utøya to Nordre Buskerud police distrikt.

17.30: Operations central in Oslo police distrikt received the message as well.

17.38: Oslo police distrikt receives request for SWAT from Nordre Buskerud police distrikt.

17.52: First Police patrol arrive the area - must wait for prober boat.

18.03: Boat on it's way reported.

18.09: SWAT arrives.

18.25: SWAT land on the island.

18.27: Gunman arrested.

The entire operation takes exactly 60 minutes,

including waiting for boat and the SWAT to move from Oslo (prox 30-32 Km) to operations area.

Norwegian police do not have helicopters?

Hola Sensei...well they do,but am very glad asked and that you find this a "bit un professional !

Thanks for your awaken mind

From Police log:

17.27: Shots reported fired at Utøya to Nordre Buskerud police distrikt.

17.30: Operations central in Oslo police distrikt received the message as well.

17.38: Oslo police distrikt receives request for SWAT from Nordre Buskerud police distrikt.

17.52: First Police patrol arrive the area - must wait for prober boat.

18.03: Boat on it's way reported.

18.09: SWAT arrives.

18.25: SWAT land on the island.

18.27: Gunman arrested.

The entire operation takes exactly 60 minutes,

including waiting for boat and the SWAT to move from Oslo (prox 30-32 Km) to operations area.

I answer you to be polite .The Specials should have been there from the day 1 they opened the gathering !

It happens because events are overwhelming.

On the other hand, the response to the Oslo bombing was immediate and well organized considering the situation.

The delay for getting to the island could be that all available personnel were sent to the bombing site. Trying to reorganize the distribution of forces had to be quite complex and confusing.

I would say this was unprofessional,,, /"homework not done by the "protecting force!

It would never happened if the "protectors did their "homework.

People do not take care of each other,so then Protecting force are needed.

and here we go !

They have done their homework.

You have not.

All Police forces in the west have done their homework, with ineractions between the countries, lessons learned, etc.

The police procedures are getting more and more streamlined between many countries, with basically the same procedures for the various tasks.

Based upon what has been experienced within the different countries over time.

This particular case was on an island.

An island in a midle of a lake, out in the countryside 30-32 KM from Oslo.

As stated in media many a time, the main issue here was to find transportation for the police to the island.

They do not have boats on st.by all over the kingdom.

Surely mistakes were made, and will be made again and again, from the most professional people.

Tactical and sometimes strategic mistakes are made.

Let us wait for the reports and the lessons learned to be published.

It happens because events are overwhelming.

On the other hand, the response to the Oslo bombing was immediate and well organized considering the situation.

The delay for getting to the island could be that all available personnel were sent to the bombing site. Trying to reorganize the distribution of forces had to be quite complex and confusing.

I would say this was unprofessional,,, /"homework not done by the "protecting force!

It would never happened if the "protectors did their "homework.

People do not take care of each other,so then Protecting force are needed.

and here we go !

There will be plenty of time for finger pointing, but I do not think 40 minutes to have a speciail response team arrive is unreasonable in the circumstances. Even in large metropolitan areas, a special teams response can take 10-20 minutes. Norway has a population approx. 5 million spread out over 385,000 sq.km. The police department only has 8000 uniformed officers of all ranks spread out over 27 regional districts. Every region has a special response team, Some regional districts might only have a small number of officers equipped and trained to deal with a serious incident. Once you deploy beat cops, the police are spread thin, but that is because Norway doesn't need a cop on every corner.

Utoya is in Buskerud, which has a land size of 13, 800 sq. km and a population of 253,000. The police contingent in this region is not going to be large to start off with. It is not much different in countries like Canada or Australia where a police substation might only have 2 or 3 officers out in the boonies. If a madman went on a killing spree in a small town in Australia's outback or Canada's outlying areas. the response time would most likely be hours. I don't think a comparison can be made with large urban cities with smaller land sizes. For example;

London approx 8 million, 1572 sq. km

NYC 8.2 million 1214 sq. km.

Metro Sydney 4.6 million 2000 sq. km

Metro Toronto 5.6million 7100 sq. km

These cities all have special response teams that can be deployed, but they are responsible for regions a fraction of the size of Norway.

Where criticism can be levelled is at the organizers. The lack of access to the island is questionable. What if there had been a tragic fire, how would have first responders been able to access the island or people be evacuated? There were 600-700 people on the island at the time. Transport to and from the island was by Ferry. However, the police and the medical responders had to rely on a quickly organized flotilla of small boats to respond. Look at this video and you will understand why the response was slow. There were no police boats aside from a small police zodiac.

Thanks for the reply..I have the knowledge to say what am saying!

There should have been a backup( or 3) !

If you are A and OR have been A special soldier for Yrs ,you would know what am saying!

1st.The government building(and surroundings) has not been secured well enough .

2nd When this happened they should know they had a big "event at Utøya ( and there might be an attack nr 2 (or more) (specially there)!

3rd It should not have happened in the first place if they knew their Job!

4ht do i need to say more?! All in all ,,"homework not done and security not maintained!

Ok i say this just to be polite : Professional Guards where not in place at Utøya,and to be that (professional)you live by it 24 hours a day yr in yr out,,,(practice /train every day)

Think Firefighters! But faar more

And please i know you say what you say is in the best meaning.But Though,don't make a coverup or excuses for the "lawmen ...

Job not done period !

It happens because events are overwhelming.

On the other hand, the response to the Oslo bombing was immediate and well organized considering the situation.

The delay for getting to the island could be that all available personnel were sent to the bombing site. Trying to reorganize the distribution of forces had to be quite complex and confusing.

I would say this was unprofessional,,, /"homework not done by the "protecting force!

It would never happened if the "protectors did their "homework.

People do not take care of each other,so then Protecting force are needed.

and here we go !

A crazy world makes "crazy people,Now we all can see what 1 man can do to a (un)"organised " society .

Really! hope that the "copycat syndrome will "stay away!

This would never had happened ,if people took care of 1 another!

My thoughts go to the relatives.

Good Morning I,would have no problem to Kick a butt hole and do informing if what he do has negative side effects for Us. 10/4