AlbertTatlockDeceased

Having children Irresponsible?..LOL,

Why are you here?

What is your purpose in life?

What could that thing between your legs be for? apart from pissing and holding onto when things get tough?

The whole point of it is to reproduce.

The world as a whole (the developed world in particular - ) doesn't have enough young people entering society to "provide" for the older generation....la la la...yes I know, how they fought in 2 world wars and the "world wouldn't be the same without them, and how much thanks we should Kow Tow.

Maybe a better idea than to stop having children is to KILL old people, I for one have passed my prime, contribute nothing to society, spread disease and become a burden to the state.

I think LETHAL INJECTION the day after the 70th birthday would be appropriate.

People will starve/have been starving for thousands of years, you and me will nor change that..how do you contribute to allieviating these peoples problems? you cannot!

There needs to be a good education system, a GOOD government, some LUCK - both politically and geographically - so it is a bit pot luck!

Greed in the world is holding many of these countries back, along with corruption and incompetence...if every dollar in aid given to a charity was measured by how much the actual recipient received...I bet not 50%!

But to think more positively (said by a manic deppresive) Imagine Soundman, that just by some piece of good luck like winning the Lotto, one of your kids turned out like a JFK/Martin Luther (I presume however they are not black..but merely dark skinned if you live in Isaan) or an Albert Einstein....by not having them you have "robbed the world" Opportunity missed!

Why don't you ask you're old man and lady (apologies if they are like mine and not available for comment) why they had you?

It also seems a little strange you ponder on this aspect after havin kids! Did you not wonder about this beforehand....or were you like me? I have three and now only realise the destruction to your personal life that they cause!

Honestly though, I don't think I would change my view, yes I understand what you are saying, but in the big mix of things, I feel it is better to bring that LIFE into the world, if you can take care of it, and simply hope for the best!

If they grow up decent, honest and smart...(notice I never said hard working) and they love you...I don't for one minute think you have a thng to worry about...good luck! (everyone needs a little in life)..PS I am not depressed tonight, so I am off to the Rovers Return for a half of bitter and a rum!

If the clutch is dragging, it is most likely because the "blades" of the basket have got notched and the plates are getting caught up on the notches rather than moving smoothly. Over time and heavy use of the clutch, the plates "clunk" against the softish aluminium basket and form these notches. This can easily be seen once the clutch cover is off & plates are out - not a massive job. Front exhaust off, drop the right footpeg & engine guard, undo the rear brake pedal master cylinder mount to drop the brake pedal, undo a couple of oil lines (drain the oil first!) and then spin out the clutch cover bolts. To dis-assemble the clutch, take out the 4 bolts holding the clutch springs and pressure plate, stick a washer on 2 of the bolts that came out opposite each other and wind the bolts back in to lock the clutch. Then, (this is the harder bit) break loose the central bolt inside the clutch basket(you will need either a windy gun or to lock the engine from the crank nut accessible through the inspection window on the other side) and then pull out the plates. Get new plates, inspect and gently file the clutch basket if necessary. Reassemble clutch, bang it all back together, treat it to a new oil filter, fill it with 1800cc of decent oil (I use VelOil synthetic - purple top), change the tyre pressures to be around 25/20 rear/front and off you jolly well go. Alternatively, take it to a shop and they should charge around 3 hours labour plus parts but this can depend on how easily the beast comes apart.

If you are in Chiang Mai, PM me and maybe I can help.

Cheers,

Pikey.

Hi Pikey,

had to wait my 24 hrs due to another ban by the SARIT moderators!

Need to get this in sharpish as no doubt my next post will recieve another ban!

I am about 40K from CM, are you in a bike business? I would like to bring the bike around, get a new clutch, timing, mixture valves etc. checked out, only I wasn't sure if you were in the business or just helping me out... I am not looking for freebies, just looking for a place where I can really get the thing looked over without it being bodged.

I assume I need a new clutch...I think it needs a good look over, what do you reckon on getting parts etc. and what the cost could be?

You come with reccomendations..so that can't be bad.

I wil need to get some help this end to gwt it onto a pick up, can you get it off in CM?

Kind regards

Albert!

I will check back here tomorrow, hope to hear from you, if you are not in business with bikes, would you reccomend that "Big Bike Company in CM?" appaently run by a German? Just need to make sure what I want doing gets done properly!

Thanks

Thanks for all you replies,

need to be quick I think, before I get banned.

1: Can't tell the colour of the plug yet, I have four different plug spanners, not one will fit! the clearance / length are all wrong... the length of two are fine, but the learance between the head is not enough to get on the plug.

2: I Agree with two previous posts - mixture and valves - The motor appears to be " hunting" but damned as I try I cannot get the mixture right...despite the good advice. There is also a "clack" on the tappets...needs a look over.

3:Pikey...you mention changing the oil filter...where on earth is that? is it where the 4 screws are that I presumed to be the OIL PUMP... right hand side (brake pedal) four 8mm bolts?

Appreciate all your help!

Thanks All,

Canuckamuck...your name never gets easier!

You may be right, and I think it may be running a bit rich. There is a black oily deposit on the back mudguard where the exhaust blows out, I don't think it is engine oil as the compression seems good, What I first thought to be "oil burning" maybe in fact the mixture, and as you also mentioned..the valves.

Thumchock, thenks for the link, still baffles me though as to what is actually going on with the clutch, not ready yet to dismantle it though, need to look for a book or two first.

Richard BKK - cheers for that link, there is a wealth of information there, I am going to try and get it looked at at one of the bike shops MIKETHEVIGOMAN suggested, in Chiang Mai, just need to decide how to get it into the pickup!..not ready to ride it up a plank yet!

A lot of it seems to be down to knowing the bike and your tequniche, i.e. I seem to be able to start it first kick now, except when people are watching..then it takes about 40 goes, til the sweat is pouring out along with the blood on my right leg.

Maybe I was a bit carried away when I bought this, it is maybe NOT the bike you should buy as a first time learner, we will see! But the experience is a good laugh.

Seriously though, how long do you think it takes to become reasonably proficient?..am I wasting my time, should I (A) Give Up ( Get something smaller or © Stick with it? At the moment I am tempted to look for something a bit easier, but the other half of me would miss the challenge. I reckon if I can get to grips with this and all it's perculiarities, then it would stand me in good stead as opposed to learning on a 125 automatic, which would really teach me very little.

Busy practicing slow moves, slow starts, and clutch control, the guy that taught me to drive a car said 95% of controlling a vehicle was at low speeds and understanding clutch control..which I must admit has helped me a lot.

I can drive a car/van/lorry almost on auto pilot, WILL THAT HAPPEN WITH TIME AND PRACTICE WITH A BIKE....or is it different?

Don't want to be ...what is the word? .... pessisimist?, mm not sure if that fits..

When I first came here it was like the "great escape" I forgot my "slave" job in Shanghai, and welcomed the thought to be living here.

After 4 or 5 years, the novelty appears to have worn off, don't get me wrong, I would rather be struck down with a bolt of lightning than

o back to the UK, but Thailand seems to becoming a bit depresseing. Maybe due to a certain Boonyaratklin?

Maybe it is a middle age crisis, but the place does not hold for me what it held before...the wife's got FAT, the kids are a pain in the arse....maybe I am just getting old.. you enjoy blowing old ice lolly sticks around the table? ( A Thai childs game) Bow Bow Bow!

The future for someone of my aga looks pretty bleak here, no prospect of jobs...(you want a dishwasher turned microwave engineer?) Every opportunity there is a money sucking scam..and the Temples are NO1.

I thought me and the family would have been happy here, to get out of the rat race, but it seems at times, that the rats are 2nd favourite!

I DEFINATELY SHOULD NOT PUT "AMERICAN BEAUTY" on the DVD AGAIN!.......

dont worry there lots of us who are in the same boat ,been here 15 years full of youth ,well 32 ,now pushing 50 and tired ,tired of yhe thai mentality ,ah you farang big money springs to mind ,i made my money in thailand through hard work and long hours ,sometimes beating my head against the wall out of sheer frustration at what was going on around me ,i hate my life here but am to scared to start again ,ground hog day springs to mind,never mind we have thai visa ,my own get out fantasy world .

Nice to hear an honest reply!

Me too, I put too much in to ever get out! What is the alterantive? back to the USSE (UK) not for me! I suppose as I said earlier, the grass is always greener on the other side, what the hel_l, maybe we are on the other side already!

Look how yellow the grass looks after a couple of weeks back in the UK.

Funnny really, didn't mean to upset the applecart with this post, it was only mean't in humour and FRUSTRATION ...Kaw Tan! (t he missus  will never forgive me!) get me a burning crucifix!

really is time for bed...before my foot ends up in my mouth...but I thought the monks were supposed to give the food (ALMS) they collected, to the poor...not to eat the ######ing lot themselves...

Is it just me or are you lot on smack? I being the only sane one on a fix of Chang? Baboon seems to have had a bit toooooo much of Mr Sohndis YA BA or did I lose the plot?

Anyway, fridge succesfully plundered - 34 Changs to go until the supply dries up!

Not sure as whether to go and ###### the dog and kick the wife or vice phersa....not much difference really I suppose! And my beer appears to be 70% insects!

Mrs Mangel?

WHERE IN GOD'S NAME DID YOU FIND THAT!!!

Yes Mrs. Mangel...you need to scrape me off the floor tonight, I never thought I would see that rosy cheeked harlot again!

Christ, brings back some meories!

Cheers for that,

couldn't have sleapt tonight with that going on in my head....

Time to go and raid the fridge! the night is young..alas.. I am not!

Don't want to be ...what is the word? .... pessisimist?, mm not sure if that fits..

When I first came here it was like the "great escape" I forgot my "slave" job in Shanghai, and welcomed the thought to be living here.

After 4 or 5 years, the novelty appears to have worn off, don't get me wrong, I would rather be struck down with a bolt of lightning than 

o back to the UK, but Thailand seems to becoming a bit depresseing. Maybe due to a certain Boonyaratklin?

Maybe it is a middle age crisis, but the place does not hold for  me what it held before...the wife's got FAT, the kids are a pain in the arse....maybe I am just getting old.. you enjoy blowing old ice lolly sticks around the table? ( A Thai childs game)  Bow Bow Bow!

The future for someone of my aga looks pretty bleak here, no prospect of jobs...(you want a dishwasher turned microwave engineer?) Every opportunity there is a money sucking scam..and the Temples are NO1.

I thought me and the family would have been happy here, to get out of the rat race, but it seems at times, that the rats are 2nd favourite!

 

I DEFINATELY SHOULD NOT PUT "AMERICAN BEAUTY" on the DVD AGAIN!.......

You grumpy old b@stard. Get a job, get a life, get a purpose in life

Write down a list of all the great things that have happened in your life. If you don't take positive action you'll get even more miserable.

As son as you start to pursue a dream your life wakes up and everything has a meaning.

Even if it's completing a jigsaw, or building a model - doesn't have to be saving the human race. Anything is bettr that sipping your half bitter and double rum(if I remember correctly)

OK,

Wrote down everything great that has happened in my life...finished the jigsaw of the boat on the lake with the clouds and the dreamy blue sky, the model Spitfire is finished and ready to fly (saved the human race already)...can't get bitter here "Thankfully". Rather drink cats piss anyway! (you sound like a REAL ALE MAN!) like it warm, and flat?...so where do we go from here? I certainly feel so much more enlightened....maybe at last I have reached peace, tranquility and transcended mortal values....oops ther seems to be a piece of the sky missing, the

Spitfire has crashed, and my glass appears to be somewhat empty!

Don't want to be ...what is the word? .... pessisimist?, mm not sure if that fits..

When I first came here it was like the "great escape" I forgot my "slave" job in Shanghai, and welcomed the thought to be living here.

After 4 or 5 years, the novelty appears to have worn off, don't get me wrong, I would rather be struck down with a bolt of lightning than 

o back to the UK, but Thailand seems to becoming a bit depresseing. Maybe due to a certain Boonyaratklin?

Maybe it is a middle age crisis, but the place does not hold for  me what it held before...the wife's got FAT, the kids are a pain in the arse....maybe I am just getting old.. you enjoy blowing old ice lolly sticks around the table? ( A Thai childs game)  Bow Bow Bow!

The future for someone of my aga looks pretty bleak here, no prospect of jobs...(you want a dishwasher turned microwave engineer?) Every opportunity there is a money sucking scam..and the Temples are NO1.

I thought me and the family would have been happy here, to get out of the rat race, but it seems at times, that the rats are 2nd favourite!

 

I DEFINATELY SHOULD NOT PUT "AMERICAN BEAUTY" on the DVD AGAIN!.......

You grumpy old b@stard. Get a job, get a life, get a purpose in life

Write down a list of all the great things that have happened in your life. If you don't take positive action you'll get even more miserable.

As son as you start to pursue a dream your life wakes up and everything has a meaning.

Even if it's completing a jigsaw, or building a model - doesn't have to be saving the human race. Anything is bettr that sipping your half bitter and double rum(if I remember correctly)

Double Rum? what do you take me for? never touched the stuff for 20 years... You know, sometime you have to let off steam...now, you see from most of these posts, there is a bit of humour generated, which, in turn, makes life that much more enjoyable...every cloud has a silver lining... in fact..I may not even bother to go to bed, where is the Rum....?

where can I go to just ENJOY!"

considered australia?

But I thought that was  where sent all of our convicts....Newcastle has enough criminals...not sure I wa

t to live in a whole country full of them...besides, it sounds just the same a T

ailand..except the Thais don't have Kylie Minogue!

I'm speechless.

Do they still have "Neighbours, Home And Away?...if they do...reason enough to stay put...on the other hand...if the Sullivans and Skippy are prime t

me viewing ( as I understand Mr. howard has all the DVD's) Then...pack up you're troubles in an old kit bag.... I'm waltzing matilda your way....only if you promise that Ralph Harris is open

game..."can you guess what it is yet...he he... BOOM!...a 12 bore!

I'm taking the family to Oz soon for 3 weeks - it's good to have a break in a western country at least every 2 years. They still have Prisoner cell block H there - worth the trip in itself - always fancied that doreen and queen B.

Not gone to bed yet!

Cell block H - another reason to avoid Ozz.... boy you really know the screen godeses...Queen B....got to dash..can feel something strange coming on....probably a vomitting fit....LOL

I'm off to bed...Kriet Gin Lao....enough mirth and frivolous postings...be careful BIG BROTHER is watching..and if it isn't about Thailand...or you tell "LIES" you get banned..believe me.. I did!

What was that I said about Skippy To be performed in a whistling sort of tone) ..whoooooo..... wheeeeee... whooo, G'day

Skip......., what's that?..... Ralph Harris has a severe gunshot wound to the left temple, and it looks FATAL!.....chroist...at least it's not bad news again!....can you guess what it is yet...huh..huh?

What was that old "sexy" woman from the Sullivans called - the old widow, with black curly hair....I can't sleep tonight...it wasn't Miss Marple...she was a hot piece! answers on a postcard to ....BBC Television..London, Un United KIngdom

where can I go to just ENJOY!"

considered australia?

But I thought that was  where sent all of our convicts....Newcastle has enough criminals...not sure I wa

t to live in a whole country full of them...besides, it sounds just the same a T

ailand..except the Thais don't have Kylie Minogue!

I'm speechless.

Do they still have "Neighbours, Home And Away?...if they do...reason enough to stay put...on the other hand...if the Sullivans and Skippy are prime t

me viewing ( as I understand Mr. howard has all the DVD's) Then...pack up you're troubles in an old kit bag.... I'm waltzing matilda your way....only if you promise that Ralph Harris is open

game..."can you guess what it is yet...he he... BOOM!...a 12 bore!

"Father why are all the children weeping?"

"Oh they are mearly crying son!"

The grass is truely greener on the other side....at least that's what I'm told..anyway, off to bed...more grass to cut tomorow!

Just trying to help

I know where I want to be......and its Not where I am now.

But what about the UKs vibrant multicultural, multiethnic society? Investers in PEOPLE? The friendly British Bobby? Cricket? Old ladies cycling to church?

COBALT! Put that down! I mean it! Cobalt, Im warning you! Hey get off me you f@cking......

Hey, Baboon,

why are you using my ex mother in laws photo as you Avitar? how come you made her smile?

Just trying to help

I know where I want to be......and its Not where I am now.

But what about the UKs vibrant multicultural, multiethnic society? Investers in PEOPLE? The friendly British Bobby? Cricket? Old ladies cycling to church?

COBALT! Put that down! I mean it! Cobalt, Im warning you! Hey get off me you f@cking......

And, Just to make it worse! I bought a shit load of Northern rock shares at 2.87 quid....Kriet..gin lao...kriet..gin lao.... ha h

! where is that AXE! Lizzie Bordens got notning on me!

where can I go to just ENJOY!"

considered australia?

But I thought that was  where sent all of our convicts....Newcastle has enough criminals...not sure I wa

t to live in a whole country full of them...besides, it sounds just the same a T

ailand..except the Thais don't have Kylie Minogue!

Eat the same food for too long, you will eventually become sick of it.

Ditto staying in the same place too long. Try and treat yourself to a bit of a holiday somewhere else. Maybe that will change your perception.

Yeah, try the UK for a week or two! you will soon be glad you are living in Thailand again.

You're not kidding.

I went back last year for the first time in about 3 years, only to stay two weeks...shit after three days  I was on the "BEAM ME UP SCOTTIE"... thats what I mean...the UK has no appeal, but here too is lsing it's appeal...spent years in China, hate the USA...Europe is pretty much down th pan and too expensive, where can I go to just ENJOY!"

Pessermistic..pessermistic.. my god, what English did they teach you at schooll!

Don't want to be ...what is the word? .... pessisimist?, mm not sure if that fits..

When I first came here it was like the "great escape" I forgot my "slave" job in Shanghai, and welcomed the thought to be living here.

After 4 or 5 years, the novelty appears to have worn off, don't get me wrong, I would rather be struck down with a bolt of lightning than 

o back to the UK, but Thailand seems to becoming a bit depresseing. Maybe due to a certain Boonyaratklin?

Maybe it is a middle age crisis, but the place does not hold for  me what it held before...the wife's got FAT, the kids are a pain in the arse....maybe I am just getting old.. you enjoy blowing old ice lolly sticks around the table? ( A Thai childs game)  Bow Bow Bow!

The future for someone of my aga looks pretty bleak here, no prospect of jobs...(you want a dishwasher turned microwave engineer?) Every opportunity there is a money sucking scam..and the Temples are NO1.

I thought me and the family would have been happy here, to get out of the rat race, but it seems at times, that the rats are 2nd favourite!

I DEFINATELY SHOULD NOT PUT "AMERICAN BEAUTY" on the DVD AGAIN!.......

Hi there

(didn'y buy the Chinese tractor in the end...previous post.cheers for the advice)

Now, can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong?

I have some Orange trees, they blossom, they bare (bear) fruit, but just before they become ripe, the skins burst? is it a water problem? not enogh or too much...when should I pck em?

Next question ....  have some Taiwanese Putza (Ithink that is what they are) the tree has gone ape shit and is growing a million fruit but 99.9% turn black, wither and die before maturing. The Soil is more like cly than soil....banannas grow great,  I apply nothing now, previously put 15:15:15, did bugger all, in fact, I think it caused more fruit to drop!

Advice appreciated!

Have 200 Lam Yai too...here comes the chainsaw!!!!

Would be handy to know if you are talking about a fairly new model , or an old one .

30-35psi sounds way too high for me , unless you are way overweight . Would suggest that you let them down enough to have some give in them with you sitting on it , but not enough that you are going to bottom out the rim . 18-20 may be a little closer .

Is the oil level correct ? Halfway up the glass with the engine stopped ?

First I would change the oil to a fourstroke racing motorcycle oil . Then I would look at pulling the clutch basket out and checking it's ok .

Cheers for that, like I said in the abbreviated reply, I am about 54 kg, and didn't bottom them out at 1 PSI - I think you are correct, I need to lower the tyre pressure, 30-35 has "No Forgiveness"

The bike by the way is not a new one, in fact, I think it was a fish when Dinousaurs were developing..actually, it was supposed to be 9 years old, but could be even 17 years old...there poses another question...any idea how to tell the age?......funny how this is turning out, more and more it reminds me of the missus, in fact, the bike reminds me so much of my wife in so many ways....it will as I now suspect, turn out to be a complete waste of time, an expense I can ill afford, (already a pain in the arse after 10K)  an uncomfortable ride, with many repairs needed just to keep it in moderate working order, it will age and depreciate in value dramatically after purchase, all of its hidden faults will suddenly become "visible" and become a problem, and in the near future will require a complete overhaul!. It currently requires excessive lubrication...ahhh  the list goes on!

It will not take care of the home, it will require regular servicing for no good reason.... AND it' will be up for sale soon!...and as I suspect, there will be NO OFFERS!

If I can get it in a reliable state.....VROOM.....OFF I GO!

Firstly,

thanks for you replies, Canuckamuck, Goldfish and Thumchock, ( i get into a problem for some reason when trying to "Quote"

Can anyone give me info as to how a "wet clutch" operates? As I mentioned earlier, I am a car person, and OIL and CLUTCHES do NOT MIX!

Canuckamuck...(god you nick is a nightmare!) I can select neutral when I have the engine off, no problem, especially easy when I have just stalled it! ( Stalled it tonight in a ditch, front and back wheel up, feet couldn't touch the ground.... fell on my arse...could hear the laughs from the locals..deafaning..) blip the throttle ..maybe takes a few shots but can get nuetral eventually. (I don't want to get caught on a red light trying to do this).

The queer thing is, it only creeps in 1st, 2nd ..no problem, and in 1st if I blip the throttle, I can pull it back, it is only on tickover that it starts to "creep"

Have meesed around with the idle speed with various results, for some reason, if I set the tickover to be what I feel to be OK, if I then open the throttle gently, it dies and stalls, if I give it a good jerk, it throttles up nicely, seems there is no "in between".

I have already changed the oil (It burns a bit too!) did a run on Sunday, and the front wheel seemed to be drifting..when I got back I checked the wheels and tyres..had about 1 PSI in the front and about 1.5 in the back...hence the tyre pressure question. I will try the tyres at 18-20, as the 30 PSI I have at the moment is very "Unforgiving"...watch out for that speck of dust, the front end jitters like crazy.

Any advice on the clutch - how does this work? why does the engine want to cut out if I increase the throttle slowly, but rev like shit if I wind it on, if it was timing, wouldn't the thing die with a hard REV rather than a progressive gentle increase on the throttle.

and by the way, regards the tyre pressure - I am 54kg, LOL, not a fat bastard, He He! I only guessed at the 30PSI thing - that is why I am being thrown around like a rag doll!

The ###### thing can run with 1 PSI in the tyres, so no problems with punctures... they didn't even appear flat, and when you squeezed them, they didn't look out of shape (unlike my wife) and they remained firm!

Anyway guys, thanks for the help, believe me it is much appreciated, practicing hill starts tomorrow....posts will be from the Chiang Mai Ram ...the blood from the last kick start wound is still dribbling down my leg, but! two weeks ago, I couldn't start this bastard in over an hour, jumping on with both feet, the missus tried and she and the bike ended up on their <deleted>, this week I can sit on it and USUALLY get it started with a kick in one or two goes....patience is a virtue....of which, I , have none!

Cheers

Any of you from the UK?...remeber that slogan in the 70's or 80's?....KEEP DEATH OFF THE ROAD...I believe they had a premonition!

In a recent post, I was given some worthwhile advice about this bikes clutch and engine oil, at the time I could not get the bike into neutral with the engine running, 1st straight to second, 2nd straight back to first.

I thought after adding oil it was solved, however, not so.

At first start (engine cold) I can click back and forth to neutral no problem, however, once the bike is warm, it refuses to go to neutral.

The other noticable thing when it warmed up, if I select 1st with the clutch in, the bike very slowly tries to creep forward, enogh to prevent you from using your feet to pull it back.

As i release the clutch (if it was biting when the lever is pulled) you would logically imagine the bike would immediately begin to move. This is not the case, in fact to get the clutch to biting point the lever is almost at the last 2cm of travel. Any suggestions? What I did discover by accident, if I am at a standstill in 1st or 2nd and give the engine a bit of throttle, I can select neutral, providing I make the change before the bike returns to idle - you have to blip the throttle rather than hold it open constantly.

Lastly, (for now that is) Any ideas on the correct tyre pressures? The ones on mine are some Indonesian 2 star jobbies, with no pressure indication, I have set the fron to 30PSI and the back to 35PSI, seems ok on hard/soft earth and normal tarmac - a bit unnerving at the front wheel on loose dry sand.

Cheers

why do I seem to double post? Is there something wrong with me..or the machine..everything ppears twice..maybe it is the Chang

Wow..

Seems like you had a rough time with them..

Anyhoo, i guess your right, BUT, if your telling this story from your experience, then you never know if they were going to bite you or not.. Since you or your wife made sudden movements to get to the 'weapons' and also shouted, i guess they would of gotten even more crazy.. Thats their nature..

Its good to hear you both are alright tho

ps. double post

Yes we are bothe HIV/Rabies  free,

however should you wish to test your theory as to whether they bite or not, please feel free to accompany me, you can walk down the path, I'll sit in the car, see how long till you ask for the "stick"....oh they are just playfull...as they rip off your feet...not me mate, they are definately in the eat or be eaten category!