GooMaiRoo

i saw the indian squaw man/woman in 7/11 Jomtien/corner Dongtal on Sat night,

nobody batted an eyelid. he was dressed in chamois and yes, make up, tall 60'sh.

Thank god I wasn't the only one to have seen him/her! I was beginning to wonder if I was finally facing adverse effects from years of Sangsom abuse. Seems all we need now is a construction worker, a guy with handlebar moustache in leathers (maybe the biker guy covered in tatoos) and we'll have the complete set of The Village People (Village Idiots!)

Has anyone else seen a red indian walking around Pattaya? Yesterday I passed a guy walking along Thrappaya road dressed up like an Indian Squaw, complete with a turquoise headband. I could be mistaken but I think he was wearing full make up too.

I asked my girlfriend if she knew it was illegal to sit in the back of a pickup, she said yes but you can do in Pattaya, but cannot in Bangkok. Funny that, you hardly ever see anyone in the back of a pickup in Bangkok.

In many respects Bangkok operates on totally different set of rules and standards than the rest of Thailand. Witness building sites in Bangkok, where everyone is required to wear proper hard hats, and there is a proper effort made to ensure safety on site. Cut to a similar site in the Pattaya environs where the only regulation that the contractors may fall foul of is the employment of illegal Burmese and Cambodian labour who are regularly rounded up by immigration police and released after the requisite backhanders are paid. Safety hats? Whoever heard of such a thing - and anyway, they are not Thais, so who cares?

A year or so back there was a terrible tragedy on a Bangkok elevated expressway, when a pick-up loaded with workers crashed and toppled over the barrier onto the road below. I think over 20 were killed. I think this tragedy may have caused the police to enforce better safety standards.

Down in this neck of the woods, we often try to count the number of labourers that are crammed into the back of pick-ups as they are transported to building sites. I think we once counted 25, including a crippled old lady, and a couple of babies.

The law about hard hats applies in Pattaya, but given the amount of construction how could it ever be enforced? Actually, there's a job for the FPV's, they are not here to assist tourists, so why not do something useful instead of intimidating holiday makers and trying to look something special when in fact they're not?

The Working of Aliens Act B.E. 2521 Effective from July 22, 1978

Purpose:

1.To reserve the occupations for Thai people;

2.To control the working of aliens in Thailand; and

3. To promote the investment and employment in the country.

"Alien" means a natural person who is not of Thai nationality.

"Work" means to engage in work by exerting energy or using knowledge whether or not in consideration of wages or other benefits.

Essence of the Act:

An alien may engage in work after receiving work permit granted by the Director-General of Department of Employment or by the official entrusted by the Director-General. However, this does not apply to a member of a diplomatic mission, a member of a consular mission, a representative of member countries and officials of the United Nations and its specialized institutions including a personal servant coming to work for the above persons, or a person who performs duty of mission under an agreement concluded between the government of Thailand and foreign government or international organizations, or a person who performs duty for the benefit of education, culture, art, sports or other activities as may be prescribed by the Royal Decree.

Section 34.

Any alien who is working in violation of Section 7 or in violation of the conditions specified under Section 9 or works without a permit or in violation of the conditions prescribed by the Minister under Section 12 shall be liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding three months, or to a fine not exceeding five thousand Baht, or to both.

Did you ever consider that just being alive and in country we are exerting energy?

Do you drive here or read a forum here. Both would require the use of knowledge.

An alien may engage in work after receiving work permit granted by the Director-General of Department of Employment or by the official entrusted by the Director-General.

However, this does not apply to or a person who performs duty for the benefit of education, culture, art, sports or other activities as may be prescribed by the Royal Decree.

Personally I can admit I haven't read all Royal decree's. Maybe there is one that covers people working for the Police or Military. You'd suspect there'd have to be. I mean it would do arresting foreign participants in Cobra Gold or policemen coming here to escort people being extradited.

The above suggests that teachers and photographers don't need workpermits?

Cheers

Drivers here don't have much knowledge or common sense, bravery more like! It is the Thais on the road who are absolute maniacs with no regard for public safety. Personally I believe it to be a 'face' issue. If you overtake someone they loose face, if they allow you out of a junction they loose face and will do their very best to regain position and cut you up in the process. The lord Buddha tells everyone they will be reincarnated if they die, they make merit in this life in the hope that they'll come back as something better, which is why they have no fear on the road. It's almost like telling suicide bombers they will go to heaven and be surrounded by virgins after they die, lets face it you don't find many virgins in Pattaya.

4) hm1973 makes some assumptions that are wrong. Firstly the primary role of the FPV is NOT to assist the tourists (unlike the TP who's role is), the role of the FPV is to assist any foriegner who comes into the police station, or to assist the Thai police with any foriegner they are having problems with. Secondly the FPV's are not being "taken out of Soi 9". These are additional duties being carried out over a trail period. Our duties in the police station will continue to be carried out as usual. As for being "in the field" our duties are no different to that in Soi 9 so there is no need to worry about that. The only difference is we will be sitting at a desk outside as opposed to being inside. Although I am not a leader in the FPV's group, I have attended a meeting where the HP representive was there and as previously stated this request has come from them and they say there is a need.

I would suggest you tell the public what the FPV are...and what they do. I dont think you know what FTPA are. Follow your own suggestion here.

I put it to you that any foreigner who does not have permanent residency in Thailand is a TOURIST!

It does seem at first glance that the rules of the road are similar between Thailand and Western countries but there is one major difference. Very few of the rules here are documented, taught and enforced and most are open to interpretation. Even a basic principle such as driving to the left of the line is openly disregarded often.

The major offenders are the Thai, not tourists!!

You will not see any fines being collected at a proper highway police roadblock. Any motorist who has infringed the road rules will be issued a ticket, and he/she will have to go to the local police station to pay the fine.

IME Official Highway Police road blocks are usually manned by a senior officer

who will accept the payments on the spot and issue a receipt.

Unless there is a receipt book on show, any "fine" you pay will really be bribe.

For instance many people either are unaware or just don't care that people are not allowed to ride in the back of a pickup truck unless you have yellow commercial plates, so when stopped at a checkpoint because children are riding in the back of your pickup truck the FPV volenteers explain the law especially to foreigners that have been stopped.

Barry

I wonder why the Thais do not know about this law?

Without using the back of the pickup, my Thai family could

not possibly go around together..........

They have never been stopped either.

On the few times I have been stopped by the Highway police

it has generally been a scam.

"You were going too fast"

"No, I was driving at the limit of 90kph"

"Oh! Then you were in the righthand lane"

"Yes, I was overtaking a lorry"

"Oh" "OK you can go.

If you are accused of speeding then ask how fast you were going.

If the answer is 97, or something exact like that, then they have you bang

to rights, as they used a radar gun. But I have not seen that lately.

IME the Highway officers do speak enough English to do the job.

Given all this I can see little to justify the use of FPVs

I asked my girlfriend if she knew it was illegal to sit in the back of a pickup, she said yes but you can do in Pattaya, but cannot in Bangkok. Funny that, you hardly ever see anyone in the back of a pickup in Bangkok.

96 with music from the 50's 60's and 70's. What they forget is that is their demographic, people aged 50, 60 and 70 or older. I listen to Thai music stations rather than that dross. I have heard Dorris Day, Berle Ives and a number of other artists(?) that should have been left in the 40's and 50's and forgotten. Yesterday, they are firmly rooted in yesterday, and some time last century.

103, well if you can tune out the very bad announcing, the amateur use of effects on their adverts and promos, and the the inability of most of the announcers to speak understandable English, at least there is music from the last 10 or so years. They could expand the play list a little, so they do not repeat the same songs, you should be able to listen for more than 2 hours without hearing the same song repeated.

105, sorry have not noticed its music. Howard please get a real audio person to tune your voice so it is not as abrasive to the listeners, they can make a huge difference, also listen back to what you have recorded and be prepared to edit. That would apply to all the stations, but the rest are not brave enough to poke their heads up here, so I will make it a personal suggestion.

Hi Chang_paarp,

Yes, I am the only one that is willing to participate here but I don't quite understand your comments about 105 (sorry...won't comment about the other two stations). When you say, you have not noticed the music....what do you mean. Also the part about listening back to what I have recorded and be prepared to edit. I don't understand that as well. Please expand on your comments, you never know....I might learn a thing or two from you!!!!

Also I would be very interested to know what your preferred music format is and how old you are.

Howard

I've given 96fm a chancethis week, but I still have to say 105fm is better for my music preferrence. It's like anything it's a matter of personal choice. In the UK kids listen to Radio 1, parents listen to radio 2 or 3. That said who on earth listens to 103fm? Total rubbish.

The OP stated that this situation will arise due to the request of the Highway Police Chief.

One would assume that he has a good reason for making this request.

Yeah I wonder, why be a busy fool, when others can do it for you? If he was a businessman and he may well be also, he'd be saying "turnover is vanity, profit is sanity" There really is still no excuse for the gustapo, facist looking outfits that Baronet Oswald Mosely would be proud of. Sieg Heil!

Patpong was named after old mr Patpong, A real cute and nice guy.

Hmm so.....Khun Cowboy must have been another soi owner then---

Patpong gets its name from the family that owns much of the area's property, the Patpongpanich (or Patpongpanit) who purchased the area in 1946

Soi Cowboy is named after T. G. "Cowboy" Edwards, a retired American airman who opened one of the first bars there.

The name Bangkok comes from Bang Makok, meaning 'Place of Olive Plums'.

And Nana originates from what, anyone know?

Lek Nana owned property in Bangkok along Sukhumvit Road Soi 3 and 4, and that area is now known as "Soi Nana", also giving rise to the name "Nana" for the nearby Skytrain station, the "Nana Hotel" and the "Nana Plaza" entertainment complex there. He also donated land for the headquarters of the Democrat Party, for the Princess Mother Memorial Park, and for a hospital.[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lek_Nana

Cheers

Thanks Percy, most informative response.

"... a proper highway police roadblock.

Where ar the proper ones then?

Does song-loy baht still work at the proper ones?

And his brother Sam!

Patpong was named after old mr Patpong, A real cute and nice guy.

Hmm so.....Khun Cowboy must have been another soi owner then---

Patpong gets its name from the family that owns much of the area's property, the Patpongpanich (or Patpongpanit) who purchased the area in 1946

Soi Cowboy is named after T. G. "Cowboy" Edwards, a retired American airman who opened one of the first bars there.

The name Bangkok comes from Bang Makok, meaning 'Place of Olive Plums'.

And Nana originates from what, anyone know?

You will not see any fines being collected at a proper highway police roadblock. Any motorist who has infringed the road rules will be issued a ticket, and he/she will have to go to the local police station to pay the fine.

I have received a ticket and paid a fine at a highway police road block.

You don't pay the fine a the local police station but at the local highway police station if thats who issued the ticket.

Cheers

Me too. I don't really think you can call these "proper highway police roadblocks", the usual salary top up shakedown more like and with the assistance of the FPV the coffers will be bulging. Why work when you can get someone else to do it for free?

Ancient history

Pattaya got its name from the march of Phraya Tak, (later King Taksin), from Ayutthaya to Chantaburi, just before the fall of the earlier capital (Ayutthaya) to the Burmese invaders in 1767.

When Phraya Tak's army arrived in the area what now is Pattaya, they confronted with the troops of Nai Klom, but it came to no fighting because Nai Klom was awed both by Phraya Tak's dignified manners and his army strict discipline, so Nai Klom surrendered without fight.

The place where the two armies confronted was later called Thap Phraya, which means the Army of Phraya, this was later changed to Phatthaya, which means the wind blowing from the southwest to the northeast, which appears in the beginning of the raining season.

Thap Phraya is still not forgotten, there is a road connecting South Pattaya and Jomtien Beach called Tappraya Road, and it has probably been somewhere in that area the two armies confronted, and from what I have been told from native citizens of Pattaya, the south Pattaya area is where the original old Pattaya city was, but modern buildings has replaced the fishermen's huts.

Phatthaya, is actually the most correct spelling of the name of the city, but simplified it ended to be spelled Pattaya.

I think you're right, driving from Bangkok to Pattaya there is a sign on the toll road expressway that reads Phatthaya, which could be a bit misleading for new arrivals. Bit like Jomtien, Jomthien and Chomtien.

Mobi, to be truthful I have no idea. As yet this programme hasn't started. There was one dry run last week. The trail period begins from November. I have said I will take part in this programme. The request came from the HP, so I guess they have seen a need. The head of the HP Thai Volunteers spoke to some of us last week and said he was very happy that we were joining them and we were needed.

So, lets wait and see. As I keep saying, these requests are coming from the police end, so they see a need.

Do they see a need so they can relax a bit? You're volunteering your services, Thai police unfortunately don't earn much legitimatley, could it be they use the FPV's to take a burden off themselves by getting you lot to do all the work, while they collect the fines?

Astromash, if you believe her story, you should enrol as a space cadet. . Keep of the loopy juice.

I'm not saying I believe it. When I first posted I wasn't even sure about the military parts of her story - but according to subsequent posts here those parts could be true.

So what part(s) don't you believe?

That sixty years ago there was basically one family in the area and they had Pattaya/Thappaya/Thappraya as part of their family name?

Astromash, you could be right after all! Having just read this weeks Pattaya People I see an article on page 11 relating to a burglary in Naklua. It seems 6 rooms were ransacked, but the one which was most 'done over' belongs to Mr Pattaya Songrak aged 38! Perhaps this lady you met on a songtaew meant that her first name was Pattaya, which would explain it. Thais often refer to some one as Mr. Peter, Mr. Michael or Mrs Ann. They use the Christian name rather that the surname. Even so does anyone actually know when Thrappaya was renamed Pattaya?

History of Pattaya

Until the late 1950's Pattaya was a small fishing village like many others in the Gulf of Bangkok. Called Pad Tha Ya, which means the 'wind blows from the southwest to the north-east at the beginning of the rainy season', the name eventually became Pattaya.

Pattaya was a small fishing town before the tourists arrived Before 1956 Pad Tha Ya was just a sub-district of Chonburi and did not even have the status of a municipality. This covered only the Naklua area, which was extended to South Pattaya in 1964. In about 1959 Pattaya started to expand into a resort for visiting American GIs from a base in Nakhon Ratchasima with plenty of money to spend. US navy men from nearby Sattahip, particularly during the Vietnam war, enabled great expansion of facilities available to visiting forces by local entrepreneurs, and Pattaya became an official centre of 'Rest and Relaxation' for American troops. They were flown into U-Tapao airport, which was built for American use at the time, and hotel accommodation, shops, bars and services in Pattaya grew rapidly due to the increasing demand.

Many Thais, particularly from Bangkok, were also regular visitors for the weekend, many renting or buying small bungalows and beach huts in the area. From that point on, Pattaya grew very quickly as a holiday destination for both Thais and foreigners, and in 1978 the national government granted it city status to reflect this. 'Pattaya City' came into being on 29th November 1978, and this anniversary is celebrated every year.

The 1980s and 90s were also a boom time for Pattaya with a large influx of tourists from European countries, particularly in their winter. Later, as well heeled visitors moved south to the Andaman coast and Samui, a new generation of Russian, Eastern European and Arab nationals began arriving. The city's administration has grown to cater for the increasing size and demands of Thailand's biggest resort town, which now receives several million visitors every year, both Thai and foreign.

The city's infrastructure has also grown to keep pace with increasing development, with construction of many condos in both Naklua and Jomtien, as well as "in-filling" of any available open space in Central and South Pattaya, making resources such as water scarce in the dry season. This has necessitated large public and private long term investment in major projects. The new Bangkok airport at Suvarnabhumi, which opens in the summer of 2006, will mean that Pattaya is only about an hour away on the new road which is under construction. This has brought another spate of development to Pattaya to meet what are seen to be the increasing needs of visitors.

The arrival of American GIs on R&R from Vietnam in the '60s changed Pattaya Due to its proximity to Bangkok, and partly as a legacy of the GI R&R activities during the Vietnam war, Pattaya developed a reputation as a party city, a badge it still honourably holds today. With this came an influx of girls from the poor Isaan region of Northeastern Thailand who supplied the ever-growing sex trade, which is very much part of the city. However, Pattaya also has its serious side and provides for a growing community of foreigners employed in the burgeoning eastern seaboard industries of the area. An estimated 12,000 people from all parts of the world live permanently in Pattaya, supporting a large establishment of restaurants, bars, clubs, societies and services set up specifically to support them. This number is said to swell considerably with the part-time residents who spent part of their year here. This is evident in the extraordinary boom in construction and property prices that the city has recently witnessed. More on Pattaya for ex-pats.

Pattaya is a modern city and you won't find any old buildings, simply because there aren't any, although the Buddhist Temples (wats) have all the character and splendour of older buildings. This resort city has grown apace with the influx of visitors, and will no doubt continue to do so.

So it wasn't until 1978 that it became Pattaya, if this Mrs Pattaya is in her 60's it seems very unlikley her story is true. Thanks for the info Pattaya Fox.

A while ago I posted a thread about TV member Howard's new radio station 105FM and about how good it was. Most other posts were also supportive.

However we have another new station now, started by Pattaya People and called Yest2day on 96FM. Well I admit I am converted. Sorry Howard but 105 is now off my regular listening and has been replaced by 96. Why?

Well the music is a little more varied. Not really all my taste as I prefer the more newer stuff, and 96 seem to play more from the 60's and 70's as well as more modern stuff, but I think that is right for Pattaya. Also it has very good quality jingles, regular news updates that varies in content, advertisements that DON'T feature the same bloody voice (sorry again Howard) that is very repetitive.

As for 103? Well not worthy of mention as far as I am concerned.

Well done 96FM another quality radio station for Pattaya. And that can't be bad.

Can't say I've tuned in to 96FM but 103 is possibly the worst thing I have ever listened to. Terrible music, awful adverts and tacky jingles. What is that all about when the guy introduces the news? Sounds like he's saying "This is the neeeewwwwwwwwwwws" down a drain pipe! 105 has taken it place recently and I find it much better and a good selection of music, but will give 96FM a chance.

Astromash, if you believe her story, you should enrol as a space cadet. . Keep of the loopy juice.

I'm not saying I believe it. When I first posted I wasn't even sure about the military parts of her story - but according to subsequent posts here those parts could be true.

So what part(s) don't you believe?

That sixty years ago there was basically one family in the area and they had Pattaya/Thappaya/Thappraya as part of their family name?

Astromash, you could be right after all! Having just read this weeks Pattaya People I see an article on page 11 relating to a burglary in Naklua. It seems 6 rooms were ransacked, but the one which was most 'done over' belongs to Mr Pattaya Songrak aged 38! Perhaps this lady you met on a songtaew meant that her first name was Pattaya, which would explain it. Thais often refer to some one as Mr. Peter, Mr. Michael or Mrs Ann. They use the Christian name rather that the surname. Even so does anyone actually know when Thrappaya was renamed Pattaya?

Well done marekm1, good to see someone has opened their eyes and can see what I'm on about. As for mike I think not only is he a bit doddery by his comments, but he seems to be losing his mind. I think I know who mike is referring to after reading threads which mysteriously vanished, but my interest lays with my investment in VT7. Apologies to the OP as this thread seems to become another forum for the disillusioned folk of Jomtien Complex wishing to spread the word of the gospel by stopVT7 Thailand is a country of laws depending on how you understand them.

Good Luck - I hope you invested in floors 3 or 4

On second thoughts maybe I hope you invested above that

Strange that you should be so adamant that Na Jomtien is NO problem unlike further up the beach and Pattaya

Surely this impies you accept that VT7 and your investments are in deep smelly stuff

You still have a few chances

Maybe VT will give you your money back - if the project doesn't go bankrupt first

Ah well - back to the balcony - I at least have a balcony - now where did I put my Zimmer frame? eee these young uns don't know they were born. I wish Winston was still around he would sort them out like he did Hitler. I used to know know his mam you know.

Lek, Noi - whatever your name is - where's me pension book?

Me eyes aren't as good as they used to be back in Boer War

Well done Mike, glad you can see the funny side of it. It's great to see you still have a sense of humour even if you've lost most of your marbles and your Zimmer frame. One last question I once asked my dear old gran, did you know Charles Dickens?

Well done marekm1, good to see someone has opened their eyes and can see what I'm on about. As for mike I think not only is he a bit doddery by his comments, but he seems to be losing his mind. I think I know who mike is referring to after reading threads which mysteriously vanished, but my interest lays with my investment in VT7. Apologies to the OP as this thread seems to become another forum for the disillusioned folk of Jomtien Complex wishing to spread the word of the gospel by stopVT7 Thailand is a country of laws depending on how you understand them.

Take a closer look at Pattaya Bay

There are very very few buildings over 5 storys in that magic 200 meter zone from the waterline

Maybe on that premise you should ask why.

As you said greed is a prime motivator. However the old ways of a few bob or a few million under the table will fix most problems are coming to an end.

As you also said many resorts around the world have suffered from this "profit taking"

Recent developments in Spain for example involving corrupt licensing has resulted in many tall structures on the beachfront being demolished.

How can Pattaya rescue it's ailing image and stagnant property market?

Who in their right mind is going to invest in a condo when their multi million Baht or multi million dollar is going to be a multi million white elephant just a few years down the road.

VT5 is a prime example - the condo next door built according to the law 200 meters back. Then mysteriously View Talay manages to get a 100 Meter permit. Ah well sod em we got the brass. Bugger your sea view - should have bought on the beach. Then just a couple of years down the line the same company try to build VT7 and it's a case of bugger their own customers in VT5. To top it all there is a plot of land etween the VT5 & VT7 so let's build there and bugger the lot of them. Sad really but as you say that's life.

A good start would be to enforce a few laws and give existing owners who bought into "legal projects" a fair crack of the whip to stand up to unscrupulous developers who don't give a toss.

Wishfull thinking maybe - VT7 is a test case - let's see if the law or the Baht wins

OK one mike, hope you enjoyed your coffee and your current sea view. How old is the condo next to VT5? (Grand Condo) How old is Jomtien Condo Complex? How old is Jomtien Condotel? Like these developments, I think you're living in the past and reminiscing about the good ole days. You like Pattaya how it was twenty years ago, you don't like to see places grow economically and local people prosper through a knock on effect. You're retired, you've just work out how to use a computer, you lead a simple life with simple requirements. Any changes to that and you like so many people similar to you are up in arms and debating about whether it's 100m, 200m or 10" from the shoreline. I agree with what you say, take a look at Pattaya bay and it's quite plain to sea how many buildings up to and over 23 metres there are within 200m. For goodness sake open your eyes, ears and wake up and smell the coffee. Times, they are a changin, whether you like it or not. Time stands still for no one and my humble advise would be that if you really are retired, make the most of the time you have left, don't dwell on the past as you never know when your twilight years will come to an end.

Always right - You are a complete waste of time and space - I am not taking your bait and wasting any more time

Opening poster - take this morons advice - up to you

Touched on a nerve have I? The truth must hurt. It is Morons like you who do not know what they are talking about, and you admit to not knowing is the sad part. Go sit on your balcony and enjoy your coffee. Have an enjoyable retirement and don't dwell on the past too much. I wish you no ill feeling whatsoever, just try to give people correct information and the world will be a better place.

Pattaya is not a family name. It wasn't named after a family.

No one's said Pattaya was named after the family.

Maybe it's the other way round?

In the west, many people historically were named after places.

I believe it wasn't so long ago that the King insisted that Thai families take a family name - so assuming that families had to think of a name it isn't beyond possibility that someone actually named themselves after a town.

My surname of course was just a nickname at the time surnames were adopted in the west.

Mr. Brown

You're not far wrong. Usually it was the Thai equivilent of titled Lords, Ladies, Viscounts and Countesses who took up the name of a city such as Ayudyha, Songla and Sukothai (Mrs. Buriram doesn't have much of a ring to it does it?). Your average Thai would not necessarily take up the name of a city as a surname and it certainly wouldn't be Mrs. Pattaya as the city was only named that recently, formerly known as Thappaya so there may be a Lord and Lady Thappaya somewhere in Thailand, I wouldn't bet against that for sure.

Take a closer look at Pattaya Bay

There are very very few buildings over 5 storys in that magic 200 meter zone from the waterline

Maybe on that premise you should ask why.

As you said greed is a prime motivator. However the old ways of a few bob or a few million under the table will fix most problems are coming to an end.

As you also said many resorts around the world have suffered from this "profit taking"

Recent developments in Spain for example involving corrupt licensing has resulted in many tall structures on the beachfront being demolished.

How can Pattaya rescue it's ailing image and stagnant property market?

Who in their right mind is going to invest in a condo when their multi million Baht or multi million dollar is going to be a multi million white elephant just a few years down the road.

VT5 is a prime example - the condo next door built according to the law 200 meters back. Then mysteriously View Talay manages to get a 100 Meter permit. Ah well sod em we got the brass. Bugger your sea view - should have bought on the beach. Then just a couple of years down the line the same company try to build VT7 and it's a case of bugger their own customers in VT5. To top it all there is a plot of land etween the VT5 & VT7 so let's build there and bugger the lot of them. Sad really but as you say that's life.

A good start would be to enforce a few laws and give existing owners who bought into "legal projects" a fair crack of the whip to stand up to unscrupulous developers who don't give a toss.

Wishfull thinking maybe - VT7 is a test case - let's see if the law or the Baht wins

OK one mike, hope you enjoyed your coffee and your current sea view. How old is the condo next to VT5? (Grand Condo) How old is Jomtien Condo Complex? How old is Jomtien Condotel? Like these developments, I think you're living in the past and reminiscing about the good ole days. You like Pattaya how it was twenty years ago, you don't like to see places grow economically and local people prosper through a knock on effect. You're retired, you've just work out how to use a computer, you lead a simple life with simple requirements. Any changes to that and you like so many people similar to you are up in arms and debating about whether it's 100m, 200m or 10" from the shoreline. I agree with what you say, take a look at Pattaya bay and it's quite plain to sea how many buildings up to and over 23 metres there are within 200m. For goodness sake open your eyes, ears and wake up and smell the coffee. Times, they are a changin, whether you like it or not. Time stands still for no one and my humble advise would be that if you really are retired, make the most of the time you have left, don't dwell on the past as you never know when your twilight years will come to an end.

Who knows the developer, Passanan Co. Ltd., of this low rise condominium? They are asking about 70k/sqm, are seperated from the beach by only the 6 meter wide road, 7 storeys high, built quality looks not too bad, pool is nice etc.

Thinking about buying one, but don't trust the legality of the location. I was told the same developer, he is a local, has done a few developments in Pattaya(Wong Amat and others) before, but I have no condo names.

Would appreciate any info.

Thanks.

JR

Na Jomtien comes under a different jurisdiction to Jomtien, Pattaya, and Wong Amat. This particular area comes under Sattahip regulations and I would imagine to be perfectly legal. If the set back from the road is sufficient the 6 metre road would pose no problem. If you look all along the Na Jomtien coastline you will see many developments alot closer to the beach than those found in Pattaya itself. As I understand to develop in Na Jomtien, Bang Saray and other areas of Sattahip the developer has to seek permission from the Thai Navy as well as the local Tesa Baan. Many of the developments along that coastline are well within the stipulated 100 metres from the MSL to build 23 metres high, unlike similar developments in Pattaya. Go and check with a lawyer to confirm what I've said and also ask yourself would the developer risk constructing such a building if it wasn't legal?

Sorry got to say daft advice considering the latest developments. Ask a Thai lawyer - gotto laugh.

I really do not know if there is a 100 meter, 200 meter, 10 inch limit to this area of the beach. I do know Hua Hin has stopped issuing building permits inside 200 meters. There must be some reason for that.

Ask View Talay - they are the experts on how to make things legal

As for right by the road - well fine right now - what's it going to be like in 10-15 years as more developments go up along the beach. Loads of traffic and then they widen the road a bit. Not to mention a few good sized storms, storm surges and the possibility of a rise in sea level.

Did I say a Thai Lawer? There are many good International law firms in Bangkok, but you're right I certainly wouldn't take advise from a lawyer in Pattaya, especially one that also sells houses, land, does visas, laundry, short time, long time, taxi services and motor bike rentals. If you do not know if there is a 100m, 200m or 10 inch limit to the beach you should not really respond to this question. I DO know the regulations, so how you can say "daft advise" when you admit to not knowing the law is somewhat daft in my opinion!

The point I am trying to make is that there seems to be too many armchair lawyers around only too willing to give there two penneth of advice.

I stated that I am not sure what the laws and regulations are. I am just being honest about this.

You state that you KNOW the law - good for you. This is the same argument used by investors in VT7. They know the law - VT Knows the law and their Thai lawyers know the law

Whoops.............................

A similiar set of arguments were paraded when VT7 was started

However how many folks who KNOW the law (Including City HAll - Thai lawyers and developers) could well end up with egg on face when and if VT7 is STOPPED

I like your view about the high inegrity of Pattaya Lawyers.

I just urge folks who are thinking of buying an expensive condo to really really take care when making their decisions - especially in Pattaya and Jomtien.

You answered the question in your last sentence - The question relates to a property in NA JOMTIEN, not Pattaya or Jomtien. Drive down Jomtien Beach Road and you will pass the sign reading NA JOMTIEN before you get to Musselana. As I stated originally there are different regulations in NA JOMTIEN, which comes under Sattahip jurisdiction - NOT Pattaya City Hall! I am not an armchair lawyer, but it is misinformed people like you that cast doubt in peoples minds when there is really no need for it. Good that bit about Pattaya lawyers though even if I do say so myself

Regulations are regulations

Laws are Laws

That is in most places of the world - This is Thailand and especialy this is Pattaya

STARTING TO SOUND LIKE StopVT7 - THAILAND IS A COUNTRY OF LAWS, ETC,ETC,BLAH BLAH BLAH - DEPENDS ON HOW THE LAW IS INTERPRETED AND HOW MUCH MONEY CHANGES HANDS IN ANY LEGAL CASE

There is also such a thing as common sense.

COMMON SENSE DOESN'T ALWAYS PREVAIL - MOST OF THE THAIS I KNOW DON"T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT MEANS LET ALONE POSSES ANY

Why do you think that a law was passed regulating development of tall structures 200 meters from the waterline? - just for fun? - just for the hel_l of it?

YOU STATED EARLIER THAT YOU DIDN"T KNOW IF THE LAW WAS 100m, 200m, or 10" FROM THE BEACH. SOUNDS LIKE THE ARMCHAIR LAWYER HAS WOKEN UP NOW.

Wether this law at this time applies or does not apply to Na Jomtien is neither here nor there.

OF COURSE IT DOES, THE SAME AS IT DOES ON PHUKET AND SAMUI. WHERE YOU WILL FIND DIFFERENT RULES AGAIN.

Building tall structures within feet of the water is neither prudent, safe nor common sense.

SEE PREVIOUS COMMENT ABOUT COMMON SENSE - DO YOU THINK FOUR PASSENGERS ON A MOTOR BIKE WITH NO CRASH HELMETS ARE USING COMMON SENSE?

Investing good money in a property just meters from the beach in a location a few hundred yards from an ongoing lawsuit over this issue - well in my mind that is daft.

TOTALLY DIFFERENT CASES ALTOGETHER - I THINK YOU'RE JUST DAFT

I hope I do sow some seeds of doubts. I hope folks will think once, think twice and then maybe a third time before believing all the hype that is spouted by the sales people

WHAT'S IT GOT TO DO WITH YOU IF PEOPLE WANT TO INVEST MONEY HERE? JUST A BITTER ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING BEFORE YOUR VERY EYES

However don't believe me as I am certainly not an expert on Thai Law as our previous poster claims to be

QUITE RIGHT YOU'RE NOT AN EXPERT

Sorry can you point out where I am mis-informed or giving out mis-information

EVERYTIME YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH OR TOUCH A KEYPAD

Or are my opinions to be classed as mis-opinions

YOU SAID IT!

Who knows the developer, Passanan Co. Ltd., of this low rise condominium? They are asking about 70k/sqm, are seperated from the beach by only the 6 meter wide road, 7 storeys high, built quality looks not too bad, pool is nice etc.

Thinking about buying one, but don't trust the legality of the location. I was told the same developer, he is a local, has done a few developments in Pattaya(Wong Amat and others) before, but I have no condo names.

Would appreciate any info.

Thanks.

JR

Na Jomtien comes under a different jurisdiction to Jomtien, Pattaya, and Wong Amat. This particular area comes under Sattahip regulations and I would imagine to be perfectly legal. If the set back from the road is sufficient the 6 metre road would pose no problem. If you look all along the Na Jomtien coastline you will see many developments alot closer to the beach than those found in Pattaya itself. As I understand to develop in Na Jomtien, Bang Saray and other areas of Sattahip the developer has to seek permission from the Thai Navy as well as the local Tesa Baan. Many of the developments along that coastline are well within the stipulated 100 metres from the MSL to build 23 metres high, unlike similar developments in Pattaya. Go and check with a lawyer to confirm what I've said and also ask yourself would the developer risk constructing such a building if it wasn't legal?

Sorry got to say daft advice considering the latest developments. Ask a Thai lawyer - gotto laugh.

I really do not know if there is a 100 meter, 200 meter, 10 inch limit to this area of the beach. I do know Hua Hin has stopped issuing building permits inside 200 meters. There must be some reason for that.

Ask View Talay - they are the experts on how to make things legal

As for right by the road - well fine right now - what's it going to be like in 10-15 years as more developments go up along the beach. Loads of traffic and then they widen the road a bit. Not to mention a few good sized storms, storm surges and the possibility of a rise in sea level.

Firstly you openly admit you don't know what you're talking about. Then you have sour grapes because you as well as everyone else knows in the back of their mind that View Talay are well within their rights to build VT7 and that VT5 will never be pulled down in a month of Sundays. You even go so far as to say VT knows how to make things legal, so I say yes you are mis-informed and bitter about the prospect of having to look into the back of pretty ugly building.

The point I am trying to make is that there seems to be too many armchair lawyers around only too willing to give there two penneth of advice.

I stated that I am not sure what the laws and regulations are. I am just being honest about this.

You state that you KNOW the law - good for you. This is the same argument used by investors in VT7. They know the law - VT Knows the law and their Thai lawyers know the law

Whoops.............................

A similiar set of arguments were paraded when VT7 was started

However how many folks who KNOW the law (Including City HAll - Thai lawyers and developers) could well end up with egg on face when and if VT7 is STOPPED

I like your view about the high inegrity of Pattaya Lawyers.

I just urge folks who are thinking of buying an expensive condo to really really take care when making their decisions - especially in Pattaya and Jomtien.

Absolutely. Folks in VT5 could find themselves homeless if somebody goes to court to have it taken down.

Be realistic will you