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Well after reading all these opinions, facts, theories and assumptions the real answer seems obvious. It seems to depend on the office and perhaps even the officer so anyone using the monthly income method is rolling the dice every month. A bank account of 400,000+ baht is the only safe way to go.

In a Creator? Nope! I gods as other types of sentient beings?  Possible. I don't disbelieve at least. Relevance to my existence? None!

If you wanted to be around for 6 months, why didnt you get a METV?

On 5/30/2019 at 12:57 AM, Graviton said:

Agreed so why no official statement, it's not unreasonable to raise the question.

so why would you raise the question to folks who havent been informed instead of those who instituted the change?

14 minutes ago, jackdd said:

37.4 only applies to aliens who are illegally in Thailand, see the last sentence of section 37

 

Section 37 says police station, Section 38 says immigration office, both written in 1979, so the lack of immigration offices back then is most likely not the reason.

Most likely section 37 sub section 2, 3 and 4 was written to track the movement of people who are in the country illegally. Sub sections 3 and 4 only apply to them, and i'm quite sure that back then they just forgot to add sub section 2 to the exempt list for people who stay legally in Thailand, because as it is it just doesn't make sense.

 

This is not what the law says, but this is an interpretation which Ubonjoe once posted, which is imho wrong. According to Thai law we are temporary visitors in the Kingdom (unless having permanent residency), so by definition we can't have a "permanent residential address" and because we don't have this there is also no way to change this.

 

Regarding TM28:

If you entered Thailand legally only sub sections 1, 2 and 5 of section 37 apply to you.

Sub section 1 is about needing a work permit and 5 about 90 day reports.

This leaves us with sub section 2 which says:

If you can not (it clearly says "can not", not something like "if you don't") at the place as indicated to the competent official (with your arrival card you indicate such a place), you have to report to your nearest police station. So only in this case you have to submit a TM28.

I cannot understand what section 37 means as it is gibberish.

15 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

They are laws not regulations and can be found in the Immigration Act.

Immigration Act B.E. 2522 (1979) en - immigration.pdf 87.61 kB · 0 downloads

At the time of the Act in 1979, there were very few Immigration offices, you should therefore now substitute the wording 'police stations' to 'Immigration offices', with one exception, if there is no Immigration office within the Province, then the local Police station suffices.

 

Section 37 : An alien having received a temporary entry permit into the Kingdom must comply with the
following :
2. Shall stay at the place as indicated to the competent official. Where there is proper reason
that he cannot stay at the place as indicated to the competent official, he shall notify the competent official of the change in residence , within 24 hours from the time of removing to said place.

(This is reference to the TM28 requirement. Only required if moving to a new residence. i.e. A change of permanent residential address within the same province or another Province).

 

Section 38 : The house – master , the owner or the possessor of the residence , or the hotel manager
where the alien , receiving permission to stay temporary in the Kingdom has stayed , must notify the
competent official of the Immigration Office located in the same area with that hours , dwelling place or
hotel, within 24 hours from the time of arrival of the alien concerned. If there is no Immigration Office
located in that area , the local police official for that area must be notified.

Section 4 : In this Act :
“ House Master ” means any persons who is the chief possessor of a house , whether in the capacity of
owner , tenant , or in any other capacity whatsoever , in accordance with the law on people act.

(This is reference to the TM30 requirement).

37.4 reads 4. If the alien travels to any province and will stay there longer than twenty – four hours , such alien must notify the police official of the police station for that area within forty – eight hours from the time of arrival. This would also refer to TM28

bye

4 hours ago, BritTim said:

While technically a TM30 is required for all visitors, most people will not have a problem unless they need a service from a local immigration office. At the current time, airport immigration does not concern itself with TM30 notifications.

current time doesnt last long these days

16 minutes ago, GinBoy2 said:

Well you are always, with the odd exception, a tourist, albeit a long stay one.

 

An extension of stay, be it based on retirement or marriage, is nothing more than that, never kid yourself.

 

Whether or not the Thai elite have decided to focus on Chinese tourism, who knows the minds of these people.

 

The unfortunate reality on the ground seems to be that they prefer the Westerners to be snowbirds, spend a couple of months, drop a couple of thousand bucks...then leave!

 

No 90 day reports, no TM-30, no paperwork.

 

I am fully prepared to fall into line with that

No TM 30? why's that?

15 minutes ago, Mitkof Island said:

Are you now saying that you need to have 400,000 baht in a Thai bank account now if you make border runs every 90 days if you apply for multiple entries Type O Marriage visa?

he was referring to extensions

14 hours ago, JackThompson said:

For the application for a Non-O Visa at a Consulate outside of Thailand, the money does not even have to be in a Thai bank.

The Non-O's supplied by the Vancouver consulate require you to exit every 90 days.

8 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

A TM30 report cannot be done at a police station unless there is no immigration office in the province where the report needs to be done.

Some police stations have done them but the problem is that immigration would not know it was done and would not even have to accept the receipt for one.

There are immigration offices in almost every province now and some have more than one.

Change Wattana is not the only office that can accept them.

So far Sisaket immigration has been accepting the receipt from our local police station

2 minutes ago, wobalt said:

How they know that you don’t live in your home countryside?


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by your record of when you came thru your home country immigration. 

8 minutes ago, garyk said:

I agree, I am kinda curious what else they will do to extract money out of the expats, and long term hanger owners. I thought 800K was a stretch, then the 400K hit, that one caught me completely by surprise.  Now the insurance!  Damn, we need to start a pole to see who can guess the next thing they will hit us with... haha

a spelling test? lol????????????????????????

18 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Careful with the terminology. What's a retirement visa?

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according to consulate in Vancouver, its a Non O-A   http://www.thaiconsulatevancouver.ca/retirement-visa/

7 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

It's been explained to you in other threads using quotes from various sources who are dealing with the new proposal, but you still persist in blowing false smoke into the issue to cause confusion and paranoia, because you cannot understand what you read ….. if indeed you've read any of the updated reports clarifying exactly to what and whom the proposal affects, since the original announcement.

quotes using terms that do not carry any weight in the immigration act. none of your sources have defined what the word "renewal" refers to. you assume they mean what you want them to mean.  I don't know what they mean.

9 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

Yes I do because I've understood the press statements, those by Thai Visa Protect and the Insurance providers who will be offering the Policies.

It clearly states it's only applicable to long term Non O-A Visa applicants.

 

If you can't get your fickle brain around that fact and want to make believe this in any way concerns extension applications submitted at local Immigration offices, you obviously don't understand the proposal put forward by the Thai cabinet.

 

If you know different, please post an extract from any statement made by the press or Health minister that states it affects 'temporary permission of stay permit applications'.

the press wouldnt know and the health ministry used the wrong wording no matter what group it applies to. and the things that have been said so far mention something more than Non O-A alone. So, like you, I dont know either

28 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

Just to be clear, you've been extending your permission of stay each year, not the Visa.

The Visa expired on it's enter before date.

Extensions are permits not Visas.

 

No, the proposal for mandatory health insurance applies solely to new applications at Thai Embassies/Consulates for the long stay Non Imm O-A Visas.

 

No problem with entry, however it would be irresponsible for him not to take Travel Insurance covering medical expenses.

you dont know that for sure

1 minute ago, Tanoshi said:

An extension of stay is;

1. Applied for at local Immigration.

2. Temporary.

3. A permit, not a Visa.

 

A The Non O-A Visa is;

1. Applied for at Thai Embassies/Consulates.

2. A long stay Visa type.

so you dont know either

5 minutes ago, ThaiBunny said:

Why bother with O-A? An METV will do almost as well and the requirements are much less onerous apart from one or possibly two visa runs

No need to leave every 60 days

15 minutes ago, Mango Bob said:

Somebody explain to me why the insurance doesn't apply for an extension of stay but only when you get an 0/A visa.   Does not make any sense at all.  I believe you will need the insurance for an extension of stay.  No one has said that those already here are Grandfather in and do not need it if they stay and continue with the extension of stay.   People are playing word games here because they don't want it to apply to them.  I am surprised to experience people here just don't say we don't know until the rules come out by immigration.  

Just because it can't be explained doesnt mean it can't happen. This is Thailand remember. No one really knows if it applies to extensions or not.

32 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

As long as you meet the financial requirements and can pay the extortionate visa fees, it's not difficult.

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a lot more to it than that

1 minute ago, sawadee1947 said:

If you have to go back you can do it with your dependants (wife, children) 

a lot easier said than done.

Just now, sawadee1947 said:

Where did I say that? 

I asked you if you did. Hence the use of a "?". And if you didnt, what is your suggestion for their families?

10 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said:

I know. Therefore I recommend everybody who is complaining and argueing to go back under the wings of NHS. 

so youre encouraging them to leave their families behind??