BigBikeBKK

^ are you covered for being "driven by cheese"?

Might be useful to know what shop you purchased it from. 70,000 is a good price for a green book. As other posters have said if you decide to do it you need to move sharpish. 1/2 down & half on delivery is standard.

Teera motorcycles in Pathumwan BKK.

Sucker!

Despite a few recall issues, some a bit serious, it sounds like the Panigale is a fantastic bike.

There's a ride report on advrider and ducati.org that's a must read for any Panigale fan.

Not allowed to post links to other forums here but google this and be prepared for a very entertaining and inspiring story: "Coast to Coast (and back?) with an Italian Supermodel"

Respect!

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Are we a little bit sensitive today? This is the thread for the new Zoomer-X. Why such stupid horror accident pictures here?

If you fear that you kill yourself on the Zommer-X than better take a taxi to get your grosseries

<deleted> are "grosseries"?!

Something to feed trolls like you

Figures a guy driven by cheese wouldn't know how to use a spell check

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Are we a little bit sensitive today? This is the thread for the new Zoomer-X. Why such stupid horror accident pictures here?

If you fear that you kill yourself on the Zommer-X than better take a taxi to get your grosseries

<deleted> are "grosseries"?!

http://hellforleathe...r500-and-cb500/

500cc Honda CB and CBRs made in Thailand... what's not to like? I imagine they'll be well below 200k if hellforleather is to be believed... they've been pretty accurate in the past.

Thats hilarious. Hell for leather!

“Redline,” a member of CBR250.net claims to have taken these photos at a presentation at Honda’s manufacturing facility in Thailand, saying they show the 2013 Honda CBR500 and 2013 Honda CB500, faired and naked versions of the same bike.

“I have not yet been informed of the markets it will be sold in,” continues Redline. “It will be cheap and released to steal sales from the Ninja 300, Er-6n and f. It will be a bigger brother to the 250 and not a smaller brother to the 600. See it as double the 250, and not 5/6ths of the 600.”

Redline?!?.. <deleted>. That's me!

Haha, I haven't seen a bite that big since KRSpam1 was challenging me to a drag race 'for titles'.

Thanks very much Hell for Leather.

Your username wasnt siampreggers back then...so tell us what was your username then?

btw, you never accepted the challenge you pussy...what's the matter...chicken?

He's had so many user names (all banned) it's hard to keep track...

im pretty sure there is atleast another username, i saw his bike for sale in the classified section last year and it was the same bike as another user who now rides a CBR 1000.

Siampreggers showed on on ThaiVisa on 04-09, the same day EmptyBasementBin was banned.

Some of his other banned accounts:

siam cbr

Baytur

strollling

hehehoho

red1green0

I'm probably forgetting some.

Ride on!

T

Death? Offtopic. Will not happen with a Zoomer-X. Its a Honda

It was kind of on topic- there's a discussion about whether or not small displacement scooters like the Zoomer are any safer than larger faster scooters / bikes. Do try to keep up, will you?

You can kill yourself on any motorcycle, big or small, Honda included-

btw some CBR250R guys in Oz were saying how the value of their bike just dropped....

Not half as much as the guys in Oz who paid $7500 for 2010 ninjettes before the the CBR was released and Kawa had to slash their price by $1500.

How much have they lost on their $7500 N25's with new 2013 N300's going for $6200!

Heh heh, yeah, Kawasaki was really raking in the dough during all those years with no competition.

I should clarify what I mean when I say "dirt bike". I'm not looking for a competition/race bike- more a road legal dirt bike / dual sport type bike suitable for distance touring.

250cc dirt bikes just suck for going any distance on pavement IMO.

I'm bummed that Kawasaki still doesn't sell the KLR650 in Thailand even though it's manufactured here.

If Honda can beat Team Green to the market here with a large displacement dual sport they will own that niche and I'll buy one in a flash.

Kawasaki hasn't made any significant changes or updates to the KLR 650 since 2008 because, just as with their Ninjette 250, there's simply no competition to push them to do so. If Honda can offer some competition for the KLR650 I bet we'll see Kawasaki redesign and upgrade the KLR as a result.

Bottom line- competition is good for the consumer and it's great that Honda has finally entered the Thai market.

Guess the XR650L doesn't count? Although on Honda's US page it looks like you have to special order it. Weight, from wikipedia, looks to be really similar to the KLR. I wonder why it never took off.

Yeah, the Honda XR 650L is a cool bike, but is it still road legal?

You sure you're not thinking of the XR 650R? That is not road legal, but it's also a liquid cooled engine that is quite a bit different that the XR 650L's air cooled lump.

Hee, hee, I meant to correct that but you beat me to it

I should clarify what I mean when I say "dirt bike". I'm not looking for a competition/race bike- more a road legal dirt bike / dual sport type bike suitable for distance touring.

250cc dirt bikes just suck for going any distance on pavement IMO.

I'm bummed that Kawasaki still doesn't sell the KLR650 in Thailand even though it's manufactured here.

If Honda can beat Team Green to the market here with a large displacement dual sport they will own that niche and I'll buy one in a flash.

Kawasaki hasn't made any significant changes or updates to the KLR 650 since 2008 because, just as with their Ninjette 250, there's simply no competition to push them to do so. If Honda can offer some competition for the KLR650 I bet we'll see Kawasaki redesign and upgrade the KLR as a result.

Bottom line- competition is good for the consumer and it's great that Honda has finally entered the Thai market.

Guess the XR650L doesn't count? Although on Honda's US page it looks like you have to special order it. Weight, from wikipedia, looks to be really similar to the KLR. I wonder why it never took off.

Yeah, the Honda XR 650L is a cool bike, but is it still road legal?

Just noticed it's air cooled...

I spoke too soon when I said the KLR650 has no competition. The Suzuki DR650 also gets good reviews in the big dual sport category-

Wimpy engine, no under seat storage, and 50+K? I've heard of styl'n, but sheesh!

I thought you are a fan and advocate of wimpy engines and if you look at the pictures in the OP you'll see that there is under seat storage...

I suppose my suspicion of 650's in Thailand comes from seeing videos of bikers here topping hills or rounding curves at speeds that would preclude stopping in time, in case of a parade or something in the middle of the road. Doubtless I should blame riders rather than the engines!

Our Thai hosts prove to us again and again that you can kill yourself just as easily on a scooter as on a big bike. So yes, I think it's a bit disingenuous to blame the bike or say that a bike with more cc's is somehow more dangerous than a smaller cc bike.

Mmm that depends how much it weighs a bigger cc dirtbike style bike for touring on maybe but if you want it to actually play in the dirt there gonna have to start bringing the weight down

I should clarify what I mean when I say "dirt bike". I'm not looking for a competition/race bike- more a road legal dirt bike / dual sport type bike suitable for distance touring.

250cc dirt bikes just suck for going any distance on pavement IMO.

I'm bummed that Kawasaki still doesn't sell the KLR650 in Thailand even though it's manufactured here.

If Honda can beat Team Green to the market here with a large displacement dual sport they will own that niche and I'll buy one in a flash.

Kawasaki hasn't made any significant changes or updates to the KLR 650 since 2008 because, just as with their Ninjette 250, there's simply no competition to push them to do so. If Honda can offer some competition for the KLR650 I bet we'll see Kawasaki redesign and upgrade the KLR as a result.

Bottom line- competition is good for the consumer and it's great that Honda has finally entered the Thai market.

Sorry, I can't confirm this particular model 100%. I do know for sure that Honda will have three locally made big bike models available early next year though.

Perhaps, and I'm just going on Honda's current trend of cost efficiency in the lower CC range, perhaps a faired and naked version of the same bike, and then the same engine put into an off-roader - like the CRF250.

If it's a single than cost is gonna be down even more, and the off-roader is going to be even more at home. The naked would be a great little city racer/commuter, and the faired would still probably out run it's competitor - the Ninja 300.

If Honda makes a 500cc single cylinder dirt bike in Thailand it will sell like hotcakes! Currently all dirt bikes over 250cc are imports and ridiculously expensive.

Anyone know if a cylinder from a gsxr will give any additional improvement? or the cylinder from any other bike that has the same fittings contributing to improvement?

The important thing is that you use a master cylinder that will work with your brake calipers.

If you radically mismatch your master cylinder and calipers you can really mess up your brakes.

Basic rules:

If you INCREASE the size of the master you will LOSE braking force.

If you DECREASE the size of the master you will GAIN braking force.

You don't want to go too far in either direction or you can end up with brakes that either don't work properly or brakes that will lock up your wheels way too easily.

If you want to install a different size master cylinder you probably ought to calculate the hydraulic ratio between your master cylinder and your calipers.

A quick explanation of Hydraulic Advantage (aka, why hydraulic brakes work so well):

When you squeeze the brake lever you are forcing brake fluid down the brake lines to the calipers.

The bore of the master cylinder is always much smaller than the combined bores of all the pistons in your brake calipers.

When you squeeze your brake lever, the pistons in the calipers only move a little bit (small force and big action at the master produces small action and big force at the pistons)- this is hydraulic advantage and explains how hydraulic brakes work- small force at the master cylinder creates very strong force at the calipers.

Here's where it gets a little confusing and counter-intuitive:

If you increase the size of the master cylinder, you will REDUCE the power of your brakes. Yes, with a bigger master cylinder, you will have to squeeze HARDER to get the same braking force at the calipers. This is because you are reducing the hydraulic advantage you have over the calipers. Conversely, if you decrease the size of your master cylinder you will increase the power of your brakes.

Now, to make sure that your master cylinder will actually work with your calipers you need to do some math.

If you are going to play with different master cylinders you need to work out the surface area of your caliper pistons and divide it by the area of your master cylinder piston to determine your brake ratio.

That math is beyond me but maybe Dave can help you out with it.

OR, just look at the master cylinder that is on your bike. There should be a number stamped on it somewhere. Most Japanese bikes use 14mm Nissin master cylinders. If that's what's on your bike just compare it to the GSXR master you want to replace it with and you'll know if you are going up or down in size and what changes to expect in your brakes.

Good luck! Let us know how it goes!

Not sure about Kawasaki, but here at Sumet we usually provide finance for customers in the Bangkok area only. It makes it easier to repossess the bike in the event of non-payment. It might be best just to give them a call and ask.

Yeah I gues it makes sense for the repo if theres a problem. Thanks Sumet

Um... have you called Kawasaki and asked?!

Gave them a call at Nakered Swan and I got a lot of phone passing around and giggles off some folk who don't speak much English, my Thai is getting better but I don't know how to ask these sorts of questions. I'm sure there are English speaking staff. I will get the wife on the job.

The only reason I am asking is I'm nipple deep in flood water in Sukhothai so off work for the week I'm halfway between Nakhon Sawan and CM.

I'm drooling over the pictures and videos on youtube and spent 2 and a bit days reading the Er-6n page which is brilliant banter and informative to boot. I'm only half way through so don't spoil the ending haha.

Your posts are brilliant BBBKK.

Take it easy out there

Yikes- sorry to hear you are affected by the floods!

I've never bought a bike on finance here so can't really give you any good info, but I should think your wife ought to be able to get a straight answer over the phone.

As far as finance is concerned, I think you will get much better terms if your Thai wife buys the bike.

I've heard, but again have no first hand experience, that foreigners are often required to place a larger down payment and pay a higher interest rate than Thais. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong

If your brakes recovered from pumping, its more than likely an air bubble. Bleed your brakes

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I think that would be a smart move, i have a ride this weekend in canyon country and dont want to go flying off a cliff... i once had an NSR 150 that did something similar during a drag race, back brakes went out completely and it never did it again.

Any chance the seal is deteriorating and only able to hold a certain amount of pressure? There is a little fluid on the lever where the stub pushes in the piston, but no actual fluid in the area of the piston...strange, maybe i have to take a closer look.

Brakes are kinda important. If brake fluid has escaped (and it sounds like it has) then there's obviously a problem. Rebuild or replace your master just to be safe.

Wimpy engine, no under seat storage, and 50+K? I've heard of styl'n, but sheesh!

I thought you are a fan and advocate of wimpy engines and if you look at the pictures in the OP you'll see that there is under seat storage...

What kind of bike??

Really don't understand why the OP hasn't bothered to obtain a Thai driving license. No insurance, then if an accident occurs you will have to negotiate with the police for victim compensation. If you have the appropriate insurance the company rep does this on your behalf.

You mentioned paying 200k baht for bail bond is no issue for you. Until you pay the cash you will be held in police cells, not a pleasant experience. Bail bond will require the police informing immigration, who in turn put a stop on your passport until legal proceeding/payments is completed. Immigration also inform your Embassy so you cannot claim to have lost your passport and obtain a replacement. Also if you don't have a driving license any tea money costs will increase. No matter how good a driver you are, shit does happen through no fault of your own - at a minimum get a license so you're legal

From what I've seen not having a DL isn't a major deal when involved in an accident.

I know where I come from if you have an accident and don't have a DL you're screwed, the insurance is automatically N/A and you are automatically at fault for the accident.

From what I've seen here it doesn't interfere in any of that should an accident take place, the only thing is an extra 400b fine or whatever for not having one, everything else takes place as normal (for Thailand).

That said I have a 5 yr DL and advise others to get one, to have a Thai ID at the very least and to be able to show the coppers at police checks which usually gets you through a lot faster when coupled with a bit of polite Thai banter.

You should probably read the fine print in your insurance policy. Chances are your insurance company is not liable for a claim if you are driving / riding without a license.

Um... have you called Kawasaki and asked?!

I have just picked up my new plate ,2 1/2 weeks total time for myself .im in bangkok so i think the story about no plates etc might be slighty exaggerated

Chonburi is the province that always has the mad delays for plates. Many of my friends in Chonburi register their vehicles in Bangkok to avoid this problem.

Not sure about the faired version, but I think the naked one might actually be the NC700.

Well, the NC700 already comes in 3 flavors right- the integra scooter, the X-Trail and the NC road bike. Guess they could throw some fairings on it and call it a NC700'r'

SINGLE FRONT BRAKE DISC???!!!!

Assuming I am right, than weight should be less than an ER-6 which gets by quite well with a single front disk.

Um Dave, if you think an ER6 only has one disc up front then you need to have your eyes examined bro...

Tony, you asked 'Would you ride an unplated / unregistered vehicle in your home country?' and 'What makes you think you can get away with it here?'

Would you ride as fast as you do in your home country as you do here? What makes you think you can get away with it here?

The answer is the same, this is Thailand and not America, England, Australia etc etc

Max fine for speeding in Thailand is 800 Baht but usually you can grease your way through for less. Back home you go to jail for 20 over in some states.

Anyway, speeding and driving an unregistered vehicle illegally on public streets are two totally different offenses.

You live in Chiang Rai where no body cares about plates, but the OP says he bought the bike in Bangkok, which leads me to guess that maybe he's riding it in Bangkok.

You don't see many unplated bikes in Bangkok, and the ones you do see are invariably being ridden by cops or folks with the right BiB connections.