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misterhe

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  1. I am curious to know what the OP blew on the alcohol test?

    I blew 0.118 which is well over the limit.

    However the amount over the limit didn't seem to make a difference to the fine. All 17 farangs booked were fined either 2500 baht to 2700 baht. And the range was from 0.070 to 0.20+. Another Aussie guy blew 0.208 which is a not a bad effort, admitted he was legless (to me not the judge), 4 times over the limit, still only fined 2700 baht. Seemed the amount over didn't matter, there was much speculation about that during the day, but the judge made no mention and sentenced people in groups and there was no relationship to the amount over the limit.

    They were doing random urine testing on Thai girls (maybe guys but didn't see any) and getting them for amphetamines. They were in the same group as we were but held separately and sentenced separately. No farangs were urine tested. They had been doing random uring testing on girls in Soi Kow Pai earlier in the week as well. There was a lot of Thai's in the court holding cells for drug offences.

  2. I am not so sure this is anything to do with the new chief of police but I think the regular Songkran and Christmas/New Years crackdown.

    I had a similar experience last new Years, again there was no bribe going to keep me from an appearance in court but 5K baht did get me out of the cells after only 1 hour and I was allowed to make my own way to court the next afternoon. Official fine was 2700 baht and again another 5K to keep me from another night in the cells and a trip trip Immigration the next day.

    One word of warning however and I hope I am wrong on this point, I was told the the trip to Immigration was not just a formality to check your visa status but that having now been convicted in court of a criminal offence that your visa would automatically be cancelled and you would be deported.

    I would suggest having cash available, just in case it is needed and it would be great if you could update us on what actually happens.

    The best of luck to you!

    Yes - I believe there is a risk of immigration cancelling a Visa, so I'll have my immigration lawyer with me. He specialises in difficult cases and has told me "don't worry it's a small thing", but I'll be cashed up. I'm on a multi-entry Non-Immigrant B Visa, so we''ll see what happens. I will update the forum when I have more info.

  3. I'm curious as to the calibration record of the device and/or whether it can be abused for personal gain.

    That is a good point and when I asked one of the guys picked up in Udon he explained he had only had a couple over a 2 hour period (and knowing the guy for some time can believe that) the last only being a couple of minutes before being stopped and blowing into the machine.

    Back in Australia one has just had a drink he/she is told to stay put for 30 minutes or so then tested again (that was the case when I was last tested --- passed). This guy was charged on the reading he produced there and then and was not allowed another test when a proper result would have been achieved after a stabilizing period.

    I don't think Thai law is that sophisticated in terms of stabilizing period as per Australia (I'm an Aussie), but in due course I'll be discussing options are processes with my Thai lawyer so that I'm better prepared in future. I'll post any information I get. There was a farang who blew prior to me and was under the limit and walked - so they were letting people off who didn't blow over the limit without fuss.

    I got the impression that "no correspondence will be entered into" and that the first reading, was the reading and sufficient evidence of guilt.

  4. Nice bit of writing. My SEO copywriter would be proud.

    The problem is they only enforce this once or twice per year when the big guns comes down from Bangkok. The rest of the year, even if you can hardly stand, they cops will help you into your car and sent you on your way with a smile and "please drive careful". Consistency is needed.

    It is also first time I've heard they don't take bribes. The previous occasions it seems you were guided to a table where you were told "pay 10,000 baht now or go to court". Expensive, but a way out. But that's again the selective enforcement that seems to be common here.

    I think the treatment is outrageous and I'm sure not providing you a translation of the proceedings and what you sign is probably against a dozen international human rights conventions.

    Do you have any idea what a taxi charge you to take you from downtown to the dark side? Not all of us live in downtown Pattaya.

    1) My understanding is that this is a change in local enforcement and may not be a one off. I've lived in Central Pattaya for 5 years and am a weekend regular to Walking St and the vicinity. My "stupidity" was based on 5 years of never having seen any form of alcohol testing done. There is a new police chief who has been shaking things up in town - and I believe this is his initiative. He also took specific interest in our cases and was present on Saturday night and involved directly in deciding if we were going to be let out. He specifically wanted all the guilty farang's to also be reviewed by immigration to try and find visa violations. This is more thorough than I would normally expect and seems to be aimed at getting statistics up - not getting cash for letting people off. Not sure how long it will last but it is a clear change in local policing policy in the short term.

    2) There was definitely no interest in "money", and only interest in due process and getting it all done officially for the record books. I (along with most of the other farangs) had access to cash, that would have been clear to the police and was shown to them on occasion, but there was no interest. My Thai helpers also made inquiries as to what options were available, and apart from small sums being paid to get access to me and bring me water/food - there was no invitation or opportunity to buy your way out.

    I have access to 2 well known local lawyers, unfortunately being 6am on the day after Songkran, neither were in Pattaya or taking calls. I believe it might have been different had they been available - not special treatment, but the ability to get bail, to ask for some delay and then pleading a case. But I couldn't get either of them, a bit like trying to get your lawyer on Christmas day.

    3) The conditions are poor, the lack of communication and access to lawyers was worse. There is even a very old sign up on the inside of the watch house in english explaining you get a phone call ... but that was not offered. There was no mention of rights, there was no ability to exercise or enforce rights (hence I think it would have been better if I could have got hold of a lawyer). We were processed in their own time, and as the Thai nationals were. While it was poor treatment - everything was done equally to the Thai offenders - no better or worse treatment other than being held to check for Visa violations.

    4) Motorbike taxi is 40 baht each way for me to near BigC Extra on Pattaya Klang ... one of the other farangs lived out Siam Country Club road and said if he caught a motorbike taxi it was 200 baht each way ... hence he road his bike.

  5. I understand the 15/30 day visa exemption rules, with the 30 day entry by air, is their any minimum number of days/nights you need to be out of Thailand for you can return and get another 30 day visa extension.

    I have a visitor from Australia who would like to stay another 30 days, so I was considering a trip to Phnom Penh for the weekend. However my friend was told by some "friends" that you had to stay out of Thailand for 3 days before you could return.

    I have never heard of this before - is this the case?

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