tigerbalm

Hi Guys

Have to do a 90 day report, i want to do it by post can some one confirm that this is the correct address to send to the Chiang Mai IMO

I will be sending

Copy of front page of P/P

Copy of Ext of stay (Not sure if i need to send but will just to be sure

Return stamped addressed envelope

Completed TM47

Thanks in advance

TB

21 hours ago, Peter Denis said:

Hi Tigerbalm,

No, this additional requirement by CM IO is not 'standard', but unfortunately for you CM is one of those rogue IOs that interpret the IO requirements to apply for a Non Imm O - retirement Visa incorrectly.

If you do not have the 800K to apply for the Non Imm O - retirement Visa using the money-in-bank method, your best alternative would be to apply for the Non Imm O - retirement Visa in a thai embassy/consulate of a neighboring country.  E.g. at the Savannakhet consulate you can apply for that Visa without the need for an embassy income-statement.  What you need there is either a pension-statement of +65K monthly pension payments, or money in the bank (not necessarily a thai bank, you can use a foreign bank-account) of at least 800K, or a combination of both (e.g. if your pension payments are less than 65K).

I specifically mention the Savannakhet consulate since it is one of the few places where you can apply both for a 90-day SingelEntry Non Imm O - retirement Visa, as well as for the 1-year MultipleEntry Non Imm O - retirement Visa.  The application requirements are identical, the only difference being the cost of the Visa (2.000 THB for the 90-day SE and 5.000 THB for the 1-year ME).

That - little known - one-year Me Non Imm O - retirement Visa has many advantages: NO need for locking money in a thai bank-account, NO need for the nerve-wrecking yearly extensions at your local IO, NO need for a Re-Entry Permit and NO need for 90-day reporting.  Only disadvantage being that that 1-year ME Visa only provides you on entry with 90-days permissions to stay, at the end of which you need to do a border-run (can be done same day) which will provide you once again with a 90-day permission to stay.  Alternatively you can for each entry also apply for a 30-day extension at your local IO. 

So that Visa can provide you with 15 months IO hassle-free stay in Thailand.

And of course you can also opt to apply for an in-country 1-year extension of stay at your local IO when you get tired of doing those 3-monthly border-runs.

>> I also PM-ed you a comprehensive Roadmap containing all details/options to apply for a Non Imm O - retirement Visa and subsequent extensions.

To access your PM-messages just click the letter-icon next to your profile when logged in to the Forum.

 

Hi Peter Denis

Thanks for that solid advice and explanation, yes i agree that CM IO seems to be a rogue IO and have caused me problems for over a year now, every time i get to the stage of applying for a retirement (Extension of stay) they seem to interpret the rules to there own liking and seem horrified when one questions any thing that seems to indicate they have made a mistake about, even the Visa Agents are brainwashed in to accepting what the IO dictate is correct , with out the foresight or bravery to question some thing that may or may not be correct.

Any way thanks also for sending me the Message i will over the week end read it thru thoroughly there is a lot to take in and digest.

Thank you and also not forgetting a big thank you to ubonjoe

TB

28 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

Hi Tigerbalm,

UbonJoe always gives sound advice.

But unfortunately in your case the agent might be correct.

Because if you are a US, UK or Australian citizen Chiang-Mai IO insists that when applying for a 90-day Non Imm O - retirement Visa, and wanting to make use of the monthly 65K-income transfer, that you need to provide an embassy issued income-statement to prove the source of the income.  And since the US, UK and Australian embassies don't issue such statements anymore, this additional CM-requirement makes it impossible to use that method, so indeed the only method to apply for the 90-day Non Imm O - retirement Visa at CM IO is by using the 800K money-in-bank method.

 

Yes what you say seems correct when i went to CM Immigration a few months ago they gave me a list of what was required 800k in the bank or a letter from as you said Embassy confirming a pension of not less than 65k.

The doc that Ubonjoe related to in his reply to me above https://division1.immigration.go.th/download/1551323081128.pdf seems to confirm this here is the part it referrers to...

5.1 A letter of guarantee from the bank in Thailand in

Thai language (Attention: Immigration Commissioner)

5.2 Copy of all entries of the applicant’s passbook

showing that the applicant has a savings or fixed

deposit account of not less than Baht 800,000

(all documents must be in the Applicant’s name)

5.3 Evidence of foreign currency fund transferred to

Thailand

(Documents under 5.1, 5.2 and 5.3 must be issued

and updated to be the same date of the Application

and all documents must be in the Applicant’s name.)

                        OR

A letter of guarantee from the local or overseas

Embassy or Consulate that proving the monthly

pension of the Applicant not less than Baht 65,000

per month (together with reference documents

showing the source of monthly pension)

But the confusing thing is Ubonjoes post #11 seems to indicate there is a  amendment to include options for proof of income....see below i had to copy and paste the post #11 as i could not figure out how to add it using the quote method.

THIS IS THE Ubonjoes POST #11when he says..

On 1/30/2020 at 3:35 PM, ubonjoe said:

He posted the original police order.

Tha amendment is here. 

Amendment to police order 138/2557 Revising clauses 2.18 and 2.22 to include options for proof of income

Amendment to police order 138/2557 1.9 MB · 182 downloads  Thai text

Why does chiang mai i wonder have a different criteria for securing a Mon o or is this standard thru out the country and what is the alternative i am just looking for a way to remain here long term. 

Regards

TB

On 2/3/2020 at 7:25 PM, ubonjoe said:

Whether you have single entry or multiple entry tourist visa you can apply for a change of visa status to get a 90 day non immigrant visa (category O) entry at immigration up to the last 15 days of a 60 day entry the visa allows.

 

Hi ubonjoe.

It is a while ago since i started this thread and was encouraged by your knowledge about the Police order saying what is needed as far as the Income is concerned.

Well went to a Visa agent today, well two in fact and both said i could not change my multiple entry tourist visa in to a  non O using the 65000K income method

This was the basic conversation.

Me- Hi i would like to change my multiple entry tourist visa to a Non 0 (then later to a extension of stay 1 year)

Visa agent- you have 800000k in bank.

Me- no, i want to use the 65000k method

Visa agent- oh can not, new rule,  have to have 800000k in bank.

She went on to say if renewing a 1 year retirement  or extension of stay i could use the 65000k method but if applying first time then i have to have 800000k in the bank, then every subsequent renewal of the extension of stay i could use the 65000k to get it.

Am i missing some thing has any body heard of this, seems a bit strange why 800k seasoned in a Thai Bank first time then 65k Income when renewing, why not just have either or but mixing the two seems well bonkers really.

Could some one help me out here i only have 30 days of my multiple entry tourist visa left and i need to apply for the Non 0 at least 20 days before the tourist visa runs out.

Is there a different location internal or externally i could try to secure a Non 0

Really appreciate some help here

Regards

TB

26 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

He posted the original police order.

Tha amendment is here. 

Amendment to police order 138/2557 Revising clauses 2.18 and 2.22 to include options for proof of income

Amendment to police order 138/2557 1.9 MB · 147 downloads  Thai text

Thats great, where do you guys get all this from, brilliant stuff.

Just one thing can you lay your hands on a English translation so i know where to point any one in the right direction down at immigration.

OK Forget that i have just seen the link for it in English form

Much appreciated any way

Regards

TB

16 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

Same issue with Roi Et Immigration earlier this year.

Had to go above the Supervisors head to the Boss and threw copies of their own Order 138/2557 dated Dec 2018 at them.

This order was in light of certain Embassies no longer issuing Income letters and instructed Immigration offices to accept monthly overseas transfers into a Thai bank as an alternative.

All these amendments appear to have confused many IO's exactly what is acceptable.

Order 138-2557 (2014) - extension documents Eng.pdf 149.01 kB · 0 downloads

 

Total time spent at the IO was over 4 hours arguing the criteria.

Eventually they conceded.

The biggest problem was they couldn't understand the Passbook or Statement entries, so easier to request the 800K method.

 

Hi Thanks for that spot on very much in tune with my thoughts..

Really brave of you to go above the supervisors head (The phrase loosing face would be enough to have pulled me up in my tracks and walk out they do strange things when loosing face you know LOl.

Just one point you say Order 138/2557 dated Dec 2018 a.

I looked at the document ant it seemed to suggest dates of 2007 2013 and 2014 but i could not see any recent 2018 amendments.

Is there a Thai version of it as well?

Regards

TB

7 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

Depends where the income originates from and if requested you can show evidence of such.

 

Supporting Documents Order 300/2562 attached to 548/252 dated Sept 27th 2019.

3. Evidence of Income such as such as a retirement Pension, or Interest or Dividends.Order 548-2562. changed 327-2557 (2019) Eng.pdf

yeah last time i asked about that they seemed to latch on to oh you need pension income, i have a income and a pension but one is no good with out the other.

i really dont think they understood the such as and the or bit (such as a pension or Dividends) there interpretation is just blinkered to Pension.

Regards

TB

2 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Yes it would be accepted. It does not have to be from a pension. You may be asked for the source of your income that could be many things. For example withdrawals from savings, investments and etc.

Ok there is just one thing.

I went to chiang Mai immigration today and took all the relevant documents 

Copy of rental agreement, copy of landlords house book and their ID

Letter From Bangkok Bank showing overseas transfer's of 650000 +

Passport photocopies filled in TM86 form with photo attached.

Handed it is and the Immigration guy said i had to show 800000 bht

no no no i said i am going on the 650000 income method.

No he said your embassy stopped issuing income statements ( United Kingdom ) along with 4 other foreign embassy's last year

So bottom line is i could not get one.

Now you tell me what i thought all along was correct, so how would i resubmit this.

It all boils down to my interpretation of things compared to his, flogging a dead horse comes to mind LOL

Any suggestions on what i should do would be greatly appreciated

Regards

TB

17 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

If  you have the 800k baht in the bank you can apply for a change of visa status to get a 90 day non immigrant visa (category O) at immigration. The 800k baht only has to be in the bank on the day you apply.

Requirements are here: https://division1.immigration.go.th/download/1551323081128.pdf  But you will need at least 21 day remaining of the 60 day entry from your visa at Chiang Mai immigration instead of the 15 days shown.

You could also show transfers of at least 65k baht from abroad (not shown on the list). How many transfers have you done and are they shown as international transfers in your bank book.

 

As i mentioned before i dont have 800000k seasoned in a Thai Bank so any thing pertaining to that is not relevent in my case.

I have a Bangkok Bank book showing monthly deposits from overseas  shown as TTF of over 65000 per month for the last 12 months  Jan 1st 2019 to Jan 30th 2010  just over 1 year(But it is an income not a pension)

Would this be ok?

Regards

TB

HI As the title says Want to change my multiple entry Tourist visa to NON O  at chiang mai  with the intention of then changing the NoN O to a extention of stay (1 year)

Whats required?

I am single over 60 and at the moment have a multiple entry tourist visa which finishes on Feb 27th... 27 days from now +/-

Dont have 800000 seasoned in a Thai bank.

Could show a foreign remittance of 65 k each month in to a Thai bank

Have a 1 year rental contract.

Any thing else i would need.

 Regards

TB

48 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

The will not do one.

 

These are the requirements for Savannakhet. Penang wants the same thing.

Required documents

1. Visa application form [Download] which is completely filled out and signed by the applicant
2. Original passport or travel document (must not expire within 180 days and contain at least two complete empty visa pages) and A copy of passport (The page(s) shows the applicant’s photo, name, date, and place of birth and the expiration date of passport)
3. Two (2) photos of the applicant (3.5 x 4.5 cm, taken within 6 months)
4. Bank statement (minimum of THB 800,000)  4,
5. Official letter from the concerned Embassy/Consulate of applicant's nationality (My note about this. It means proof of retirement)
6. Visa Fee: 2,000 Baht (Single Entry)

Source: http://www.thaiembassy.org/savannakhet/th/services/9736/106949-Non-Immigrant-Visa-"O"-(For-the-purpose.html

In Penang the fee is RM 300.

Vientiane will do one but they want a medical certificate and a police clearance. They will accept them done here in Thailand.

 

Ok Thanks for that ...

Just 2 more items for clarification if possible..

 4. or Certification of Income (minimum of THB 65,000 monthly)

Q1. Can this be either from a UK bank or a Thai Bank where one puts in the 650000 a month from an overseas transfer in to a Thai bank highlighted by the abreviation FTT on the entry Which i have been doing for the last 11 months.

                                                 And the 2nd querie

5. Official letter from the concerned Embassy/Consulate of applicant's nationality (My note about this. It means proof of retirement)

Q2. Certain Countries namely mine the UK one, has stopped issuing income letters never heard of them issuing proof of retirement, how would a Embassy prove that.

Thanks in advance

Regards

TB

5 minutes ago, Thailand said:

What are the requirements for obtaining this Non 0? 

I dont know, i expected to see the requirements on the Thai Embassy website in Ho Ch Min City Vietnam but they dont have a NON 0 Listed just a NON 0-A

Take a look may be i am missing something

http://www.thaiembassy.org/hochiminh/en/services/7440

7 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

It depends upon where you are located here.

The consulates in Savannakhet, Laos and Penang, Malaysia will do single entry non-o  based upon retirement if that is the reason you want one.

Hi Ubonjoe

I am in Chiang mai.

Yes that is the reason i want one.

Its just that i went on the Thai Embassy WEBSITE in Ho Chi Min City Vietnam and there is no reference to NON 0

Just mentions a NON 0-A which i am not really interested in.

I want a NON 0 with the view of returning to Thailand and obtaining a extension of stay (If that makes sense.)

Where is the nearest place outside Thailand i can get a NON 0 (Not a NON 0-A) and not based on marriage

Regards

TB

• This is what it says .
• Financial evidence showing monthly income of not less than 65,000 THB (approx. £1,625) or having the current balance of 800,000 THB (approx. £20,000), e.g. bank statements, proof of earnings, for at least 1 month
•  
• i went down the 65000 income route
• you i take it went down the 800,000 seasoned in a Thai bank
•  
• I am doing this from the UK not from Thailand

Hi Whats METV

Regards

TB

I am in the uk at the moment applied for a online Non 0-a

submitted all the required docs

Barcode doc they snt me

Medical cert

Police clearence report

Declaration form

Passport

10 UK pounds cash

Return envelope

6 months bank statements showing that i have a income of more than the required 65000THB
 

Then this morning got a email back saying see below
 

Dear Applicant, 
on hold:Do you have other bank account to prove your saving? At this time your account has money in and out and not the fixed income so please submit more details at [email protected] SUBJECT: (Blanked this out)
 

what is going on with these people the.... 

Supporting Documents required (6) says

financial evidence showing monthly income of not less than 65000THB or having the current balance of 800,000THB eg bank statements, proof of income.

Well i supplied the proof of income alough i did not highlight it but it is quite clear from the repetitive entries.

Any one familiar with applying for this type of Online visa Non O-A from the Thai embassy in the UK had any similar problems?

Regards

TB

On 6/22/2019 at 2:37 PM, ConfuciounRains said:

 

a Question if any body knows the answers.

I intend applying for a Non O-A Multiple entry back in the UK, i have a ticket to take me back to the UK  next month and then the other part of the ticket is a return to Thailand so there is no onward part of the ticket out of Thailand once i arrive back here. (i Booked it at the beginning of the year as a holiday to see family)

So what should i put in the Intended date of arrival and Intended departure boxes and duration of stay?

If needed to show an onward flight, I do have another flight out (Of Thailand) on the 29th September booked a while ago for a visit to Vietnam but the boxes only give the option for one flight number.

Bit of a tricky one this

Any idears would be most welcome

Regards

TB

41 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

Download the form and take it to your GP.

I've heard of charges varying from £40 - £80, but not £500.

The criminal record check is £45.

 

If the O-A is your choice, do it quickly before the proposed condition of Medical Insurance becomes statutory to the requirements.

Thanks that is what i was looking for, i think i will phone my GP Surgery and ask if i can do that and what are the charges, just to make sure. 

Yes the medical insurance slipped my mind i will have to go thru some posts to find out more about when it will be coming in to force (just another hurdle i suppose).

Thanks for bringing it to my attention

Regards

TB

26 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

No you can't, that information is incorrect.

The O-A can only be issued in a Country where you have permanent residency status.

seems in this thread/Topic quite a few people are doing it

I might have missed some thing but i am open to being corrected

Regards

TB

17 hours ago, tigerbalm said:

Well that makes sense but why when i said to him in absence of the UK embassy letter of proof of income (Which we both agreed that the Uk along with a few others had stopped issuing them) ok then i will use the International transfers from my foreign bank into my Thai bank.

 

He then went on to say

No you can not if your embassy doesn't issue a income statement then that part is null and void, you have to get a non 0 (He probably meant NON O-A) from a Thai embassy or consulate.

I wish i had been on the ball at the time and mentioned to him, hey look here it says on the document  5.3 A document proving foreign remittance or

 

if it means as you seem to imply ( Which makes sense) providing proof of International transfers (proving foreign remittance) then i would assume i could go this route  ie give them the Thai bank statements showing income from overseas or failing that OR if i was a citizen from a country where there embassy were still issuing income letters go that route

It would make more sense if the form read what you need to do is 5.3 provide proof of a monthly income of 65000  Or

A letter from your Embassy showing a monthly pension not not less than 65000 per month.

 

The whole form if you read it does not make sense it is confusing to say the least (Well to me any way) LoL

 

I might have to go back and ask him what exactly does that mean (5.3 A document proving foreign remittance or)

 

Regards

TB

22 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

That is absolute nonsense.

It's either funds, or income, or a combination, or an Embassy Income letter.

 

You should re-apply with supporting proof of International transfers, a copy of the order and ask to speak to the Supervisor.

I agree total nonsense, things seem to get lost in translation or interpreted differently out here depending on who is giving the advice, the phrase masters of confusion come to mind.

If you look at the above highlighted bit 5.3 provide proof of a monthly income of 65000  Or

seems to suggest that you can use a monthly income or, but he just skipped that bit I did not notice it until i got home or i would have mentioned it, i will probably have to go back to get some clarification, more faffing about. lol

Regards

TB

On 6/15/2019 at 4:02 PM, markt42 said:

I have been trying all morning to apply for a long stay visa online, the service started today. The website is very glitchy and does not seem to be working properly. It wont accept my id photo and when you try to check it with their online verification that doesn't work, when i e-mailed them for help through their message service the mail bounces back as not available so clearly a few things to iron out. Has anyone yet managed to navigate this site successfully?

 

I am in Bangkok in a few days and wondered if anyone had managed to obtain an "O" visa from there? I know technically you are supposed to do this from your home country but its worth asking.

Found this which was part of Non o-a Longstay visa requirements at the link below seems to suggest you can submit the docs here in Thailand but the question that perplexes me if you can does that mean you can get the Medical certificate from here in Thailand which i assume would be a bit cheaper than getting it from the Uk and one would save quite a bit of cash by not having the cost and stay by going back to the Uk

http://www.mfa.go.th/main/en/services/4908/15385-Non-Immigrant-Visa-"O-A"-(Long-Stay).html

Non-Immigrant Visa  “O-A” (Long Stay)

3. Channels to submit application

Applicant may submit their application at the Royal Thai embassy or Royal Thai Consulate-General in their home/residence country or at the Office of the Immigration Bureau in Thailand located onGovernment Center B, Chaengwattana Soi 7, Laksi, Bangkok 10210, Tel 0-2141-9889.

Regards

TB

On 6/17/2019 at 6:49 PM, patinchis said:

I have read the application guide process cos I intend to apply for a new O-A here in London, does one have to upload and send all asked for online ,then take the same documents personally after making an appointment ( or posting)...or is it one or the other...but confused


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Hi

Just interested in how are you or any one else come to that, goes to get a medical certificate (In the UK)
In have read 500 pounds being banted about from private sources.

Just curious on how you are approaching this as i am looking in to this as one option of getting this type of visa (i am single not married)

Regards

TB

10 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

A 30 day extension from what (Visa exempt / Tourist Visa).

How many months transfers did you supply?

What method did you use to transfer funds?

Did you provide proof via a Passbook, or bank statement?

Were the transfers coded as FTT (Passbook), or International transfer (Bank statement)

A 30 day extension from what (Visa exempt / Tourist Visa). From a 30 day Visa extension from a Visa exempt

How many months transfers did you supply? None as i was informed if your embassy doesn't issue a income statement then that part showing income 6500 is null and void see my post #38

What method did you use to transfer funds? None but if i could have i would have shown International transfers for the required 65000

Did you provide proof via a Passbook, or bank statement? No if i had of done it would be a Bank letter confirming all the international transfers The pass book is a myth

Were the transfers coded as FTT (Passbook), or International transfer (Bank statement) If i had shown them yes

Regards

TB

19 hours ago, webfact said:

For pensioner (aged 50 or over) : A copy of pension statement if the applicant is a pensioner, or a copy of 1-month bank statement showing your income from pension, or 3-month bank statement of at least £10,000

(Where it says  One of )The requirements for Non-Immigrant Type O (single entry only) from Thai Embassy in London are as follows (SEE ABOVE)

Does that mean £10,000 coming in to your Bank account every month (like an income) 

Or a balance of £10,000 a month for 3 months (like your balance does not drop below £10,000 for 3 months)

Or a average of £10,000 spread out evenly over the 3 months (Like £3333.33 every month)

Regards

TB