eggomaniac

you reds blaming the yellows; you yellows blaming the reds; you are BOTH right! congratulations

The only loser? Thailand

if national reconciliation and reform plans are kept on the track and produce a concrete outcome.

IF is the biggest word in the English dictionary!

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There are just TOO many open and visible signs and indications that deconciliation and deformation is where Thailand is heading to, add the 'secret' unintelligence reports into the mix. Reconciliation and reformation will NOT work. The Kingdom of Thailand NEEDS TRANSconciliation and TRANSformation. There's a BIG difference of getting back to ABnormal and/or bringing out Thailand's real potential to be a G30 Nation.

[A Chinese -Thai linguistics Prof, neighbour of sister in law told me, off handed, in 2007, that Thailand will be breaking up into 3 countries. It was what led me to fully predict the what happened in 2010. It has become searingly obvious he knew what he was talking about.]

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For Thailand to have a strong & fighting chance to have fair and peaceful elections some criteria would, first, have to established.

Two benchmarks, of the many listed in The Joseph Solution, are, one, there would have to be a NEW politcal system with the automatic, built in corruption watch dog I have designed. Two, Sondhi and Thaksin would both have to be in jail, where they BOTH belong.

Heck, #3, freedom of speech, DUH.

Eggo, ref this Joseph Solution you're always talking about: Am I the only one ignorant of it's details / your proposals? Do you have this on the internet somewhere for all to see or am I forever going to wonder what you're talking about?

Joseph solution is code for I don't know what I am talking about. He has been asked many times and as he doesn't know what he is talking about he can not answer.To bad the guy actually has some good points.

has good points AND doesn't know what he is talking about

that's as logical as Abhisit's 'keeping something on track' that has never been ON the tracks.

1. I have am presently in discussions with Thais, fully disclosing details of TJS and TJP, learning from them along the way. [you should SEE the 2 years of Email debates I have been having with the founder of the Antithaksin website, for example,--- very good man, but obsessed]

2. I openly visited professors in Surat Thani in Dec/Jan, as well as an agent of King Prajadhipok's Institute to warn of the size of the upcoming riots, which I also fully predicted, several times in this Forum & detailing to them my Remedies, on my own 'holiday' time, again, learning from them, too [do YOU want to visit them?]

3. Thailand is NOT a country of free speech, FYI! Even though the Joseph Solution is respectful to all emements of the Societal make up of The Kingdom of Thailand, some of the important aspects of the structure, details, are not allowed here. AT LEAST 10 times, I have said full discussion is not allowed here. I say it again. Do YOU want to see the Warning emails I have from the Mods? or are you trying to bait me into a suspension? FYI Thailand does NOT have free speech.

4. There is a very 'respected' moderator of TV that has good Connections in Thailand. I 'could' Forward my request to him, BACK in Feb, asking to relay details . His response, 'I won't get involved with Thai politics' . But after all poop broke loose, he did some Posts around the issues.

5. If YOU have any friends or aquaitances who are English speaking Thais, if they can assist, and if they agree, YOU can be a party to my discussions with them of the details. I don't have time to 'explain' myself the flamers who do 'zingy one liners'.

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The reason I Post here, it's like a net, it has led to some good connections.

What are YOUR remedies for Thailand? What is YOUR plan for implementing the changes that keep Her from falling apart, or going Burma on us?

if national reconciliation and reform plans are kept on the track and produce a concrete outcome.

IF is the biggest word in the English dictionary!

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There are just TOO many open and visible signs and indications that deconciliation and deformation is where Thailand is heading to, add the 'secret' unintelligence reports into the mix. Reconciliation and reformation will NOT work. The Kingdom of Thailand NEEDS TRANSconciliation and TRANSformation. There's a BIG difference of getting back to ABnormal and/or bringing out Thailand's real potential to be a G30 Nation.

[A Chinese -Thai linguistics Prof, neighbour of sister in law told me, off handed, in 2007, that Thailand will be breaking up into 3 countries. It was what led me to fully predict the what happened in 2010. It has become searingly obvious he knew what he was talking about.]

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For Thailand to have a strong & fighting chance to have fair and peaceful elections some criteria would, first, have to established.

Two benchmarks, of the many listed in The Joseph Solution, are, one, there would have to be a NEW politcal system with the automatic, built in corruption watch dog I have designed. Two, Sondhi and Thaksin would both have to be in jail, where they BOTH belong.

Heck, #3, freedom of speech, DUH.

http://www.thaivisa....shuts-webboard/ <<<<THIS SAYS IT ALL!!!

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Thailand takes a FRONT SEAT on throwing patriotic Thais into jail.

THAILAND: if you want to to borrow, steal, be influenced by Western political systems, FREEDOM OF THE PRESS can't be left in the shipping house!!!

It IS part and parcel!

As long you have made exiles and inmates of your Citizens who were trying improve their country in the way they believed, best; your window dressing meetings will not produce the goods.

If you want to be another Burma, just DO IT!

Bait and switch just doesn't work anymore.

[the tuk-tuk style democratic system]

How does Cambodia influence events in the Andaman Sea?

Cambodia has an impending claim on Ko Chang, which would increase their territorial waters greatly. Just look at a map of the long sliver of coast line jutting into Cambodia that Thailand owns.

What could save Ko Chang, for Thailand, would be recognition of the deeds were given to Thais for land ownership. The last I heard, the Thai navy and Parks were heck bent on dismissing those local claims.

Without 'ownership' privately by Thais, the International Court could view the Geography and history in favor of Cambodia. [all you have to do is look at the map Attached red x's]

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As for Preah Vihear, if that one goes to International Court, where they use the high altitude points, water sheds, for determining borders, Thailand could lose a lot more on this one.

dge should NOT be the demarcation point, it is the high elevation line 6 to 10 kms back from the cliff.

The Thais should be glad to keep the land around the site that can be used for Tourist facilities and LET Cambodia maintain the old shrines.

There are high level Thai military who know of this and were very annoyed when the agreement of 2008 was rescinded, because they know how much Thailand could lose.

http://en.wikipedia....h_Vihear_Temple

Preah Vihear as a World Heritage SiteOn July 8, 2008, the World Heritage Committee decided to add Prasat Preah Vihear, along with 26 other sites, to the World Heritage Site list, despite several protests from Thailand.

As the process of Heritage-listing began, Cambodia announced its intention to apply for World Heritage inscription by UNESCO. Thailand protested that it should be a joint-effort and UNESCO deferred debate at its 2007 meeting.

Following this both Cambodia and Thailand were in full agreement that Preah Vihear Temple had "Outstanding Universal Value" and should be inscribed on the World Heritage List as soon as possible. The two nations agreed that Cambodia should propose the site for formal inscription on the World Heritage List at the 32nd session of the World Heritage Committee in 2008 with the active support of Thailand. This led to a redrawing of the map of the area for proposed inscription, removing the 4.2sq kilometres of border territory awarded to Cambodia but still occupied by Thailand and leaving only the temple and its immediate environs.

BINGO FOR THAILAND! BUT

ailand's political opposition launched an attack on this revised plan (see New dispute over ownership), claiming the inclusion of Preah Vihear could "consume" the overlapping area of the dispute lands. In response to the political pressure at home, Thailand withdrew its formal support for the listing of Preah Vihear Temple as a World Heritage site.

Cambodia continued with the application for World Heritage status and, despite official Thai protests, on July 7, 2008 (July 8 in Cambodia), Preah Vihear Temple was inscribed on the list of World Heritage sites.

The renewed national boundary dispute of 2008 has been a reminder that despite the World Heritage ideals of conservation for all humanity, operating a World Heritage site often requires use of national authority at odds with the local cultures and natural diversity of the landscape. Prior to listing, Cambodia considered Preah Vihear part of a Protected Landscape (IUCN category V) defined as "Nationally significant natural and semi-natural landscapes that must be maintained to provide opportunities for recreation." However, Category V is generally defined as "Land, with coast and seas as appropriate, where the interaction of people and nature over time has produced an area of distinct character with significant aesthetic, cultural and/or ecological value, and often with high biological diversity. Safeguarding the integrity of this traditional interaction is vital to the protection, maintenance and evolution of such an area."

Around 1994, Thailand held a World Heritage proposal conference in Srisaket in which the local cultural traditions were considered along with monuments like Preah Vihear that stimulate more nationalistic sentiments. Reportedly the use of passes in the Dongrak Mountains tied together cultural communities and practices divided by a militarized (and imperfectly demarcated) modern border line. A Mon-Khmer ethnic minority, the Kui or Suay (the ethnonyms have multiple spellings), used the passes to hunt and capture elephants in the forests below the Dongrak cliff edge, including the Kulen area now a Cambodian wildlife sanctuary. Kui in Cambodia were skilled ironsmiths using ore from Phnom Dek.^[12]

While elephant hunting in the vicinity of Preah Vihear was touched upon in the International Court of Justice proceedings, the World Heritage plans overlook local culture and species protection to facilitate national revenues from tourism. One international law professor has urged that practicality calls for laying aside exclusive sovereignty in favor of an "international peace park."^[13] A scholarly article concurs in concluding: "since Thailand and Cambodia have brought only blood and bitterness to this place, it might be desirable to preserve it from both. It could be given back to nature and the indigenous peoples, to be managed cooperatively between the two governments in equal partnership with local communities, as a transborder Protected Landscape-Anthropological Reserve (IUCN category V and old category VII)."^[14] Given the massing troops in 2008, perhaps such a transborder reserve would create not only a demilitarized buffer zone in which any future demarcation can be amicably undertaken, but a recognition of the added ecological and cultural aspects of an area which both Cambodia and Thailand may still save from the destructive and exploitative impacts of rapid development so often suffered in other ASEAN countries.

[edit] New dispute over ownership

Main article: 2008 Cambodian-Thai stand-offThe 2008 stand-off between Thailand and Cambodia began in June as the latest round of a century-long dispute involving the area surrounding Preah Vihear Temple between the Kantharalak district (amphoe) in the Sisaket province of eastern Thailand and the Choam Khsant district in the Preah Vihear province of northern Cambodia. Thailand claims that demarcation has not yet been completed.^[15] The dispute widened in 2008 to include the Ta Moan Thom complex 153 km to the west, near the border between the Thai Surin province and the Cambodian Oddar Meancheay province. Though some sources suggest otherwise, the Sdok Kok Thom Temple in Thailand's Aranyaprathet District is unlikely to become a source of dispute, as it is 1.6 km inside Thailand at a well-demarcated, undisputed section of the boundary in a heavily settled area, unlike Preah Vihear and Ta Moan Thom. ^[16]

The ongoing conflict between Cambodia and Thailand over the site has led to outbreaks of violence. In April of 2009, 66 stones at the temple were damaged by shooting from Thai soldiers across the border.^[17] This shooting came after another violent outburst in October of 2008. In February 2010, the Cambodian government filed a formal letter of complaint with Google Maps for inaccurately representing the border established by the International Court of Justice in 1962.^[18]

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Oh, guess how badly the Cambodians, as well as the Southern Separtists are praying the situation in Thailand gets???????

"His wife didn't know"

Yeah right, just like Taksin's wife didn't know nothing about what he was doing...

Is that the most intelligent contribution you can make about a Swede being busted on a drugs charge?

I think, like the Russian musician in Pattaya, they are both innocent.

Another scan from the Thai police.

Ruch, if you ever take your shtick to stand up can I be your manager? Your derisive satire has potential, but I think you have to work on the 'material' a bit. Right now, you would have the work the MENSA clubs, as 97% of the population can not see how deeply your toungue is your cheek.

I ALWAYS get 1/2 a chuckle from your Posts.

should the situation remain peaceful.

if no incidents were instigated.

IF is the biggest word in the English dictionary.

Thai Democrat Party Heading Into A Dark Storm

http://www.thaivisa....o-a-dark-storm/

Thailand Almost A Failed State - Surely A Failed Conscience

http://www.thaivisa....led-conscience/

Cambodians Plan 'Day Of Anger' Against Thailand

http://www.thaivisa....ainst-thailand/

Canal Chemical Pollution Levels Alarming: Greenpeace Thailand

http://www.thaivisa....peace-thailand/

Thai Yellow Shirts Vow To Fight Airport Seizure Cases - Terror Charges Ludicrous

http://www.thaivisa....rges-ludicrous/

PM Abhisit Warns Political Demonstrations Likely To Return To Bangkok Soon

http://www.thaivisa....o-bangkok-soon/Fragile peace threatened

http://www.thaivisa....ace-threatened/

Prachatai Shuts Webboard

http://www.thaivisa....shuts-webboard/

Who, in their right mind, would choose Thailand anytime soon?

Was it Ben Franklin who said something like

"If there is no free speech, there will be free violence!" ,

or was that me, Joseph?

I have always found Suthichai Yoon to be one of the most level headed editorial writers in Thailand, let alone at The Nation.

He is very correct here as well, but like all truly honest comments on the current division, shows us a predicament with no solution. Khun Abhisit can try all he wants to engage the other side in meaningful dialog, but nobody is listening. Nobody in the polarized society wants to hear the other side of the story, so there is no market for a station that is unbiased. And because there is no market for it, it will not happen. And if it is forced to happen, it will be ignored.

But does anyone have a solution to this problem short of a bloody civil war or crackdown that will last a generation? If they do that will be an editorial worth reading.

I agree that Sutichai Yoon is a good journalist and commentator.

I'm not sure that I agre that 'nobody is listening'. Would you like to share some further thoughts on this comment.

I have no more thoughts. I honestly do not think there is any result possible short of civil war or a 20 year military clampdown. The reds will not accept anything less than the return of Thaksin and the anti reds will die in the streets before they allow this. And nobody is neutral on the issue of Thaksin according to every poll ever conducted in Thailand. All the other issues could be negotiated, but the Thaksin problem is intractable.

I would be curious to hear any honest views on a practical way out. I believe it is futile. I do not believe anyone is listening because there is no point in listening. There is no answer to the intractable problem.

Scorecard, it is 'almost' totally futile. I actually visited Thai academics and The King Prajadhipok's Institute this past Dec/Jan to try to GIVE them remedies that would have derailed the red tidal wave. There ARE measures that could be taken whereby Thaksin AND Sondhi would cooperate in dismantling the red and yellow movements and by which they would BOTH accept their punishment and strict auditing of their business interests and bans from being involved in politics, truly there is.

If I could get Khun Chuan, Professor Thitinan and a Few Others on my list, including a famous Canadian mediator, in the rooms of the KPI for a few days, The Kingdom Of Thailand would be a G30 Nation within 5 years.

Sadly, your prediction of a Burmese NKorean style outcome is mild compared to what is really around the next couple of corners.

I'm making my retirement plans on the Cambodian Island of Ko Chang. Anything South of NST, the Muslims are coiling to take.

The way the system has been developed, there just are not any corruption free people of influence.

If somebody could unleash, give voice to The Insipid Majority and run the yellows and reds, BOTH, into the ditch.

The White Shirts would NOT be like the Khana Ratsadon, the yellows, OR the reds: they would be a GROUP that wants to bring sanity and an architecture, yes, The Joseph Solution, into place. They would NOT be setting themselves up to run for election into the seats of corruption, they would work with ALL to set up system that ensured fair elections, stable 4 year Terms AND a "built in", automatic filtering out of bribery and conflict of interest by politicians.

This could be mandated with MONTHS, instead of the reADiculous, 3 year committees, gravy trains they set up.

Police and military corruption would be a more difficult 'problem' and take longer, an adjustment period, but there is NO reason the politics canNOT be set right QUICKLY.

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Seeing a Thai writer, pointing at the trouble makers, the causers of the problems, the red AND yellows, blows a wind of hope against the hurricane of 'futility' of the situation.

Can Suthichai Yoon suffer to expound more along these lines?

It's great to see a Thai publishing comments which get close to the roots of The Kingdom of Thailand's discord and violence, the conflicting mindset of the reds and yellows. An all out win by either side will be a total loss for Thailand because the leaders on both are criminals who go as far as terrorism to get their hands on the levers of corruption.

However, khun Suthichai would have to educate me on when Thailand ever had wholesome democracy? A stalemate of opposing evil forces in a swamp seems like a better description than a "hijacking" of a freedom train. The democracy train has never existed. After all, only one PM has ever lasted a full term and only one other PM came from humble beginings and was 'relatively' corruption free, if you don't count his brother and his Cabinet Ministers. Thailand has been suffering for nearly 9 decades from a weird Western political lab experiment the opposing camps of the Khana Ratsadon foisted upon them. How was a communist & facist Group ever going to have a chance at success, except to open the doors to a succession of 'get very, very rich' politicians.

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Still, pointing out that the whole problem with Thailand is the struggle between the Government/yellows and the reds can only serve to enlighten. After the next election, if it 'somehow' comes off without all out civil war, we will then be looking at a Government/red versus yellow conflict, anon.

If they were not so pig headed, they would notice how small the pig trough is getting and, like in the Past, call a gang land truce to divvy up the apples, while fooling everybody it is 'democracy'.

It's NOT surprising polls showed a 24% approval rating for Abhisit because he is NOT making the moves outlined in The Joseph Solution which would satisfy The Mute Majority, the 80+% of Thais who are not Yellow OR Red!

Did everything work with bringing your lady to Canada as a guest?

Thailand Is Buffeted By A Dark & Swirling Storm

Look folks, if you care about Thailand's future, please look at this Democratic Party Issue in perspective. Yes it is an 'important' crisis of stability, [or is that instability?], however it is only *one of the tremors warning of the splitting and shredding of Thailand. Thailand IS heading for a break up! *[the South, the North, Cambodia, Thaksin's reds, Sondhi's yellows, CORRUPTION, upcoming UNfair elections, !upcoming military power REshuffle!, drought, *<PARTIAL list, attempted assasination of Newin! and MORE]

The Joseph Solution, which has been in the works since 2007, with input from many, many Thais, resolves these Issues and Others. This DP Issue would simply 'evaporate', because there would be no political parties, not to be confused with one party political systems. This would be a no party system similar to that of the most succesful and longest lasting participitory dedmocraticy in the history of the World.

Also, there would be State controlled plebisciting that would ENSURE fair elections among reputable candidates. There would be a Chamber of Sober Second Thought to prevent Tyranny of the Majority. There would be a 'built in' Watch Dog mechanism that smells, hears and sees corruption and bark and BITE offenders. There would be 'democratic' stability, something Thailand has never experienced.

Sondhi AND Thaksin would BOTH endorse The Joseph Plan, [the Agenda which implements TJS, within months, NOT years]. They would BOTH accept their punishment, as would all of the other Red AND Yellow criminal leaders. [While there would be no 'amnesty', per se, tempering and compassion in sentencing could take into account they are products of the broken System not creators of the badly designed system. In a perveted sense, they are also victims of what the squabbling among themselves Khana Ratsadon foisted upon Thailand. In the 1930's, the KR had the Vishnu Given opportunity to work with, instead of against societal elements that would have developed into a Stable, Peaceful and Prosperous System, a veritable Dusit Thani come true. It will NEVER be too late to consider this fool proof approach.]

There are only TWO ways to STOP the all out Civil War Thailand is facing.

#1. Is to adopt the TJP to Implement the TJS. [Throw in European, Phillipine, Japanese, Chinese style mass education in International World language & Thailand would become a G30 to G20 Nation within 5 years. I guarantee it!]

#2. Call in Burmese and N Korean advisors to show them how to properly run a Corrupt Country. STOP, insanely, trying to exist as an OPEN & CLOSED country. a Free and Chained SP/LIT personality Country.

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All In favor of a CRACKDOWN ON CORRUPTION???? Hands up!

I'm not sure about that : the Thai legislation isn't qualifying the trespassing of an international airport or any demonstration leading to the close down as "Terrorism"?

If the law is written lik this, there's no matter to discuss wether it should be considered as Terrorism or not ...

I don't know, either, whether 'Thai' law classifies the storming of International airports as 'terrorism'; I doubt it. However, there are definitions whereby modern, 'civilized' countries DO agree that would be a class of 'terrorism'. That raises the question; is Thailand a modern, civilized country???.

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Here is the SIMPLE problem with the whole 'terrorism' issue; there should NOT be a crime of 'terrorism! [Wasn't it brainless Bush who started that nonsense?] Just like 'hate crimes', 'terror crimes' should only be an issue of sentencing NOT conviction! No 'hatist' gets charged with 'hatism'. < sounds stupid right!? So is charging someone with 'terrorism', stupid. Those words are not even in the dictionary, for Vishnu's sake.

After the criminals of 'hate crimes' get charged, it is argued whether they will be 'classified' as 'hate crimes' only to allow harsher punishment guidlines.

The actual criminal act is processed on the facts and evidence. If you punch out a man in the Park, you get charged with assault. If evidence shows you were shouting anti-gay epitaphs, then it gets sentenced as a 'hate crime'.

There have been 'convictions' for violence, where the defense argued 'succesfully' it was not a hate crime getting a prison sentence, but a reduced one. Firebomb a religious building, arson... don't shout anti religious slogans and you might avoid 'hate' crime status?

All of these red AND yellow criminals should just be charged with the normal criminal acts they commited, convicted, and sentenced how severely their actions affected the lives of foreigners and the economy of Thailand.

Reds call Yellows 'terrorists'; Yellows call Reds 'terrorists': hey they BOTH committed 'terror' crimes, they should BOTH get appropriate punishment. INSTEAD, they will continue to fight for political control to free themselves and prosecute the other.

Those Government seats used to only be important to get one's nose in the pig trough, NOW it is ALSO a fight to make one side heroes and the other side 'terrorists'.

If Thaksin AND Sondhi are not seriously serving hard time before the next elections, WATCH OUT!!! get out, even.<<< some 'smart' expats have made the move, already.

The Attached pictures show why I would NEVER vote for BKK as the 'best' city in the World!

The world's top cities offering the best quality of life

ViennaAustria

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ZurichSwitzerland

3

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GenevaSwitzerland

=4

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VancouverCanada

=4

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Of course, if the rankings were on the prettiest Uni students who would line the streets like cheerleaders and take any diseased old man to a room for a few thousand Bhat, then BKK WOULD top the charts.

it dbl posted???

well here is some good news, for a change, not for Thailand though>>>

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_travel/20100709/ap_tr_ge/us_travel_brief_outrigger_vietnam

HONOLULU – Hawaii-based Outrigger Enterprises Group has announced it will co-design and manage a luxury resort to be built along the central coast of Vietnam.

The five-star Outrigger Vinh Hoi Bay Resort and Spa will be part of the Vinh Hoi Bay Golf Resort being constructed along a secluded beach north of Quy Nhon in Binh Dinh province, the company said in a news release.

The hotel is expected to open in late 2013. It will offer 210 guest rooms and suites, 46 private villas and a two-story grand villa. Six food and beverage outlets are planned, in addition to a cooking school, a wellness center, amusement zone, fitness center, library, adventure center and retail outlets.

http://www.asiancoastdevelopment.com/in-the-news.php

Reuters - April 21, 2010

MGM-branded casino planned for Vietnam Resort Area.

MGM MIRAGE executive hired to lead project

A group backed by hedge fund Harbinger Capital Partners plans to open in early 2013 Vietnam's first Las Vegas-style casino resort in a coastal area to be called the Ho Tram Strip. Asian Coast Development Ltd said on Wednesday that it had named Lloyd Nathan, formerly president of MGM Mirage's global gaming development, as its chief executive officer, a post from which he will oversee the project's financing and construction.

Unlike the Red, the Yellow are not terrorist.

They occupy the airports with all their hearts and love of the country.

You are joking right? destroying businesses, destroying tourism, humilitating Thailand in the eyes of the world community - and breaking the law?

'love of the country'?

Burning down Thailand (Central world, public building, town hall, banks, MRT, government hall, oil depots) = destroying businesses, destroying tourism, humiliating Thailand in the eyes of the world community.

These are the act of the RED, and not the YELLOW.

The criminal reds 'think' they are National heroes. The criminal yellows 'think' they are National heroes. They canNOT both be right; however they can BOTH be wrong, especially when they both have terrorist leaders.

The victims at those airports should get to decide if Sondhi is a terrorist.

The acts of the reds AND yellows fit definitions of terrorism of modern, civilized countries. NObody, red, yellow, or WOTever would say Thailand is a modern & civilised country, though it could be within months, not years, if A Governement, ANY Governement would separate Itself from the corrupted system of politics.

Why do you reds and yellows keep calling each other terrorists? You are BOTH right!!!

They should STOP being an OPEN & SHUT country. There are only 2 ways to save Thailand from the immenent break up it is headed for.

A. Create a 'properly' formed, Canadian style, Royal Commission to examine the Joseph Plan, with a 3 month, NOT 3 year mandate to TRANSconciliate the Kingdom of Thailand.

B. Call in Burmese and North Korean advisors who are probably laughing at Thailand's feeble attempts at State control. THEY know how to do it.

[Am I still the only predicting 3 or 4 countries?]

Funny thing, last year, every time I predicted the huge upcoming red riots, published record, {'red and yellow trains about to crash' 'the water is off the beach, the tsunami is coming'} there were always a 1/2 dozen uneducted Flamers.

This time nobody is disputing that the tremors have been felt and the big earthquake is around the corner, to be triggered by elections and/or other occurences, like the fall military reshuffling, as only one more example.

When it does happen, watch all of the one eyed 'experts' say they knew it all along.

The Joseph Solution, military rule, complete break up; those are the only possibilities.

3 year, gravy train, DEconcililiation committees will NOT work!

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The Committee I want to form would have The Kingdom of Thailand surging towards G30 Nation status before the paper in the wind reports of the partisan Government bag jobs get written.

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Come on Mute Majority - WAKE UP! and run the red and yellow mobsters into prison where they all belong. They have enough new Mercedez to last 10 life times. Why don't they let the reds and yellows settle who gets the pig trough with a yacht race, for Vishnu's sake!?

The OP mentioned 'reds' 10 times! He or she, mentioned the yellows 0.

The OP is one of the causes of Thailand's problems!

The trouble makers in Thailand?

1. Yellow and red mobster politicians, 2. paid flunkies, like the OP, 3. hopeless dupes and 4. The Stupid Majority who allows gangsters and bullies to fight over the pig trough.

LOOK, Western countries have politicians who get 'caught' in corruption schemes, but there a whole whack of them that serve honorably.

Can anybody name one, just 1, honest Thai politician??? Make a list, eh.

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Most people say Chuan Leekpai, but did he get 'nothing' from his brother's huge bank robbery?

The article strikes me as inflammatory rather than cautionary or advisory. What is he actually advocating - total repression of the red movement? Neither possible nor desirable; more likely counter-productive. Reform of the police? Well, we all agree on that. And is he suggesting that the committees of enquiry are going to pussyfoot around the T-factor? It would seem unlikely, though I would hope they'll go deeper.

The breakdown in national unity and regional identification with the wider concept of Thai nationality has its roots in the 19th century and, in response, defenders of the regime still seem to appeal to the nationalist myths of the Pibulsonggram era. The Thaksin phenomenon brought regional grievances to a head, but did not cause them, and bringing Thaksin to justice will not relieve them.

Hopefully the committee/s of enquiry will consider the root causes and the need for radical reconsideration of state responsibility.

Inflamatory, because he is squarely a yellow sycophant in the red versus yellow war that will tear Thailand apart.

The committees are 'hopeless' for 2 reasons. The enemies of Thailand are powerful minorities, the reds AND yellows, the OTHER enemy is The Mute Majority. They should rise up and rid Thailand of these scourges, these criminal red and yellow terrorists.

1. They have a 3 year 'mandate' and Thailand has a few months, more or less, before a major event, like 'elections', for 1 example, ignites the fuses that articles like this one highlight; [another example, the military reshuffling in the fall.]

2. There is a perfectly sane and balanced way to select Committee members, which they DID NOT do.

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One part of the OP I liked was THE TITLE.

The more and more people realise that Thailand is well and truly, really, really, really messed up, in need of a total TRANSconciliation, NOT a back to ABnormal, corruption/business as usual, deformation, the better.

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Don't trust anybody in Thailand who owns yachts and private jets. The odds are great they got them by being skillfully corrupt.

Thaksin is on the run, Sondhi is facing 'paper' charges and the man who ignited the red and yellow riots, by doling out 40,000,000,000 in bad loans, spends his life yachting. < That is Thailand, folks!

Khun Sopon,

Thailand IS a failed state. The only proof anyone needs is that Thaksin AND Sondhi are not in jail, and all of the other red and yellow mobsters.

With fanatics, like you, who have firmly chosen one side, over the other, Thailand will split up into 3 or 4 Nations.

I say this, sadly, because The Kingdom of Thailand has such great potential if it could be saved from the influence of the corrupt, terrorist red AND yellow gangsters.

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If you want to see terrorism, just watch the Yellow moves after the next election.

Freedom is the opposite of wildness. <<< This is important!

[Example, in Wild America every house and car can have an out of control amount of weapons, which takes away the individual's right to go to, safely, school, or the local convenience store.]

Crowds should be allowed to 'freely' assemble, but it turns into 'wildness' when it displaces the 'freedoms' of others.

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As for saying whatever you want, it's easy, just agree with everything Sondhi says, but not in the North and not after the next election.

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The Nabobs of the World run a wild market economy, 20% interest rates for example, and brain wash the right wing into calling it a free market economy. Environmental and labour exploitation is 'free' for who?

THREE YEARS!!!???

Thailand needs TRANSconciliation within 3 months, which COULD be achieved; NOT reconciliation within 3 years, which will NEVER happen.

TRANSformation, easily attainable; reformation, hard? no! impossible.

Thailand could be a G30 Nation within short years; instead, it is still moving towards complete destruction.

3 options

A. become a Global world leader under the Joseph Plan

B. break up in all out civil war

C. keep the corruption ridden political system and drachonian limits on freedom, but do it the 'smart' way like Burma.

Thailand; SIRS, it is IMPOSSIBLE, in this day and age to be an OPEN & CLOSED Nation!

I can tell you how to form a Canadian styled Royal Commission that all sides would respect and dignify.

Thaksin AND Sondhi would BOTH endorse and accept their jail time.

G30 Nation, all out civil war, full military rule,,, <<< choose!!!

The Polls, the Commisions, I have been printing these strategies since last year, B4 'Songkran'; but NOT in the inept forms being rolled out.

THREE YEARS??? sheesh man

The OP should be used in journalism school as a lesson on how to twist and mess up a concisely written and more factual account. For GOOD reading why not just PRINT the Article instead of discombobulating it.

http://en.rsf.org/th...2010,37905.html [Notice box 'in same country, to see why TV has to be so darn careful]

As a commission specially created by the Thai government will be investigating the violent clashes between the security forces and Red Shirts in April and May 2010, Reporters Without Borders is releasing a report on 10 serious violations of press freedom and the safety of journalists.

Reporters Without Borders decided to let the victims and witnesses of the violations speak for themselves. Some of their accounts clearly show that Thai soldiers put civilian non-combatants, including journalists, in mortal danger and respected no rule of engagement. Similarly, armed activists within the Red Shorts were guilty of unacceptable acts of violence against the press.

Among its recommendations, Reporters Without Borders urges the authorities to publish the final reports on the deaths of journalists Hiroyuki Muramoto and Fabio Polenghi as soon as possible. Opposing the continuation of the state of emergency, the organisation also calls on the government to stop censoring media, especially news websites that are being blocked.

Can you see the last sentence, my underline, quoted in the OP?

The full 15 pages.

http://en.rsf.org/IM...HAILAND_Eng.pdf

This is not to decry pure Buddhism, or clean monks, but my Thai brother in laws told me it was 'common knowledge' that 'some' monks have wigs and civies and will go out at night to 'party', using the money they had collected.

Also, I have been told that during Thai weddings 7 envelopes of money are given to the monks, something similar at funerals.

Asking HER. "What to the monks do with the money they collect?"

HER, "What they want, up to them."

me, "Well what do they buy?"

HER "Buy shampoo, buy toothpaste, when they sick medicine, go drink."

me, "Drink, you mean alcohol?'

HER, " The young monks, yes."

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From what I gather, from inlaws, some monks choose that way as a business decision, maybe others have similar anecdotes? [same as ladyboys]

These brother in laws grew up with these guys, played with them in schoolyards from childhood. They KNOW these people. [sE NST]

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me, Are the monks at Wat Vichain Theravaden or Mahayan?

HER [whose dad was a school principal across the street from the Wat] "I don't know. normal monks."

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me "Why do Thais give money to monks?"

HER, "so the monks can use money, they no work... like the monks go to the wedding, funeral, the people give money, because that is their job, ..... They Job... don't worry about this."

me 'I'm not 'worrying' some farangs are just curious."

me, "I don't ask why the monks accept the money, why do the people GIVE it?' HER for living...

HER, 'for Cullture, have to give... monks come pray , 1 hour, 2 hour, have to give food, have to give presents, money,,, not free, it their job."

<<<< Well that is one Thais 'thoughts' on the Subject, middle class family, teachers, lawyers, police, furniture store owners....

This nut bar and the Ozzie nut bar, along with 'some' of the red terrorists, get slapped in jail, where they belong; HOWEVER the yellow terrorists don't get prosecuted, because; quote the prosecutors, "The perps were too busy with other matters." Those 'other matters' include freely setting Govdernment policy. Is Sondhi in jail? No. Should he be? YES!

PAD is planning on building a statue of him as a center piece for the Airport. It's called 'Hero, Freedom Fighter' < Of course this has to wait until the red faction stops winning all of the elections.

PRO-RED FARANGS

British red shirt pleads guilty, faces deportation

By The Nation

Published on July 9, 2010

A Briton linked to the red shirts yesterday changed his plea to guilty of violating the emergency rule, paving the way for his release and subsequent deportation since he has already served out his one-and-a-half-month term during remand.

Following his admission of guilt, the Pathum Wan Court convicted Jeffrey Savage and sentenced him to serve three months in jail. His jail term was cut in half, equivalent to time served in remand, because of his guilty plea as a ground for leniency.

The magistrates court then ordered his release pending the arrangements for deportation.

Savage's charges stemmed from his involvement in the red-shirt rally from March 14 to May 19.

In a separate case, Australian man Conor Purcell has pleaded not guilty to violating the emergency rule. His trial will start on September 5.

Regarding the remand of 11 red-shirt leaders facing terrorism charges, the Criminal Court ruled to extend their remand for 12 days until the next hearing on July 20.

The Department of Special Investigation cited time needed to interview witnesses and check on the evidence as grounds for holding the 11 in their remand cells. The defence did not oppose the remand.

In a separate development, four of the 11 were escorted by wardens to attend the court session related to their involvement in the unruly protest at the residence of royal chief adviser General Prem Tinsulanonda in July 2007.

The four are Veera Musigapong, Natthawut Saikua, weng Tojirakarn and Wiphuthalaeng Pattanaphuthai. They entered pleas of not guilty to causing the disturbance and other charges related to the protest.

The court has scheduled August 23 for the examination of evidence from the prosecution and the defence before setting a trial date.

Defence lawyer Jessada Chandee said his client Veera would petition for the suspension of the trial pending the completion of another judicial review, in which the red-shirt leaders sued former national police chief General Patcharawat Wongsuwan and the public prosecutors for malfeasance for wrongfully indicting them in this case.

-- The Nation 2010-07-09