.png.3b3332cc2256ad0edbc2fe9404feeef0.png)
tracymeaw
-
Posts
65 -
Joined
-
Last visited
Content Type
Profiles
Forums
Downloads
Posts posted by tracymeaw
-
-
A bit ironic, the government requesting Interpol intervention… yet totally discarded all previous requests for third party intervention made by the redshirts. This latest request to Interpol screams of nothing more than a politically motivated smear campaign to deflect the spotlight away from Abhisit. His government would like the international community to suddenly suffer from mass amnesia and believe that this is nothing more than an Abhisit vs.Thaksin problem. If Thaksin is painted as a bad guy then Abhisit must walk away looking like the good guy. Try as they might however, they cannot dilute the fact that this junta backed government is responsible for killing many innocent civilians. In Thailand, murder gets you 3, LM gets you 18, and simply wearing a red shirt to a rally and asking for democracy can get you instant death. Where is the justice in that? Most onlookers have also not forgotten about the much televised government sponsored assassination attempt on Arisman or the successful assassination of Sae Dang. All on his orders yet Abhisit has taken no responsibility whatsoever. Therefore, when considering this brand of legal system, with its self serving, make-it-up-as-you-go rule of law; why would anybody in their right mind blame Thaksin for avoiding Thailand like the plague? Also, for anyone complaining about Thaksins choice of attorneys, you must be very worried about him, otherwise why would you be concerned that he has a bad attorney?
-
It takes a murderer to catch a murderer.
Thaksin murdered 2,500.
Mark murdered 90.
Who is the bigger murderer?
The unelected one?
-
Abhisit has driven a wedge into Thai society that is unparalleled. Like it or not, his failure to dissolve parliament and call for new elections has launched the country into unnecessary violence and destruction. Instead of focusing on reconciliation he is only focused on deflecting blame and clinging to power. Many in the international community condemn the fact that innocent civilians have been killed simply because they want democracy. http://news.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/hi/eur...000/8695234.stm
-
"M16 and AR-15 rifles slid free from concealment under plastic or inside their clothing."
- M16 in their clothing... just wondering if these were M16 rifles or M16 key chains? Is that an assault rifle in yor pocket or are you REALLY happy to see me?
"Ammunition was running low, they said. Each fighter was given no more than 30 rounds to carry. Although we didn't see any M79 grenade launchers, the Ronin discussed a bulky sack of grenades they were carrying."
- Contradicts the governments claim of huge weapons haul.
Hard to believe the article… if they were actually interviewing men that had trained to be stealth; would those men have invited such publicity?
-
Interpol may be wondering if this is the same Thaksin that was twice elected as PM by the very people whom he was allegedly terrorizing.
-
“The Abhisit government, however, faces the burden of proof.”
No worse than the burden of being completely illegitimate.
-
She did fail to mention one small detail...like the protesters desiring the freedom to elect their leaders without military coups, election fixing and junta backed political meddling.
-
Sticks and stones may break your bones but votes will really hurt you.
-
The difference is, that Lincoln doesn’t have several paragraphs on his wiki page concerning corruption and scandals.
-
CRES: Arsonists/terrorists May Face Maximum Penalty of Capital Punishment
Burn them at the stake at Rajasaprong
They're arsonists. They'll appreciate the irony
An ounce of negotiation is worth a gallon of petrol.
-
When I woke up this morning and heard that the army was going in, I thought it would result in 100s dead. I think it's less than 10. A phenomenally good and disciplined job on the part of the military that should bury once and for all this shit about repressive regimes slaughtering innocents, etc, etc. There's not government in the world that could have done it with less damage. Really, it's time for the redshirts (if they actually exist outside the mob) to quit burning the country and sit down like civilized people and take the hand this government has offered them. If they dont' want to do that - shoot the lot of them.
I know you read those numbers but those numbers given my the Thai government are not true.
There were 7 dead in a temple that a doctor reported and the Thai government did not report those and likely has missed the 100s you are talking about.
Really? You have proof of these hundreds that are dead as well as the seven in a temple, right? Which temple was it?
"It seems almost certain it was coming from the troops. And who within the chain of command was ordering troops to fire so recklessly, so close to so many people, the vast overwhelming majority of whom were unarmed, unthreatening and who – as they had been asked by the authorities – had just left their place in the city centre."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/as...le-1977647.html
-
Many people have a real problem when an unelected government forces its way into power through illegal manipulation of the very processes that were supposedly put in place to protect it. Abhisit should have dissolved parliament, stepped down as PM, and called for elections long ago… to preserve democracy. Instead, he has spent his entire term fighting against democracy, not for it. An illegitimate government with blood on its hands violates its published rules of engagement and now threatens innocent protestors with prison terms and/or the threat of death if they do not comply with their wishes. The government has succeeded only in preserving its illegitimacy.
The last thing this so called democratic government seems to want is an election… they believe they will lose. What they do seem to want is to hold onto power long enough to install their handpicked Army representatives to facilitate a future coup (pending next election results… which will most likely not be in their favor) and derail any chance for a democratic process...again.
The government swiftly rejects UN mediation to help resolve this crisis because if the UN were to get involved then the truth would be even more apparent…. that it isn’t Abhisit making the decisions to begin with.
The truth is out there, it’s just banned in Thailand!
-
How can a ceasefire with criminals been considered? They need to be arrested and brought to court, not given sweet deals on top of the millions they've already been paid.
You're right; this illegitimate government should be removed immediately!
-
If the PM does not crush the rebellion he will be criticized. If he does he will be vilified. He is in a no-win situation.
I'm glad we have such a good man in charge at a time like this. Look at some of the past PMs. Who knows what kind of bonehead will replace him?
A good man!!!! What type of narcotics are you on? The whole world is saying he is incompetent and useless have they all got it wrong? Why hasnt he sorted out the demostrators,
Because he refuses to go in and slaughter thousands of men, women and children. He is trying to stop the highjacking of the capital and still end this as peacefully as possible. That is why he is a good man.
Or.... because his every attempt to censor the media (even with snipers) has failed thus far.
-
I'm a bit concerned about the foreign reporter being shot by the army after he clearly called for help and they knew he was a foreign reporter...
I know that I shouldn't feed the troll, but; how did they know he was a 1/ foreign and 2/ a reporter? 1/ Are there no thais who speak english? Is his nose that big? 2/ he was dressed in black and close to the red lines. Could they have mistaken him for a foreign mercenary, as shown in 10/4 pictures?
I am still trying to understand how it is stated as fact that he was shot by a soldier or even if "ANYBODY' actually fired at him and he wasn't hit by stray bullets a ricochet.
Also, doesn't he cry for help AFTER he gets shot? And if he was being targeted by soldiers so openly, he would not have been able to walk away with the red ID wearing person he was with.
You may be right, that could be an imaginary video with imaginary army and imaginary bullets and imaginary wounds and imaginary blood and imaginary pain and an imaginary escape with imaginary…..
-
Thai PM says he will step down if national stability at stake
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp...1052998/1/.html
Has permission been granted yet?
-
Or did they? Has the missing element or persons behind it been identified yet? (link?) Who is pushing this assassination circus?
What the post before you is describing must be what Abhisit meant when he vowed to return "normalcy".
If he were voted in by the people through a general election, I guess only then could he have vowed to return "democracy".
What a mess...
Tracy ... how did Somchai become PM?
Peter, it really doesn't matter... it was considered "normalcy" at the time that it happened!
You're barking up the wrong tree... I think every PM should be elected by the people at the ballot box. Otherwise I feel the system has failed them (the people and the PM) and all of these "fixes" are only temporary... forcing democracy to take a back seat.
"Normalcy" in Thailand seems to mean that there are no rules, lawlessness abides, and anything can happen... unless it bothers someone higher up the food chain.
What is considered "normalcy" in Thailand? That would make a good thread... and would probably get closed in about 2 minutes.
It does matter.
You can't say that it is not acceptable that Abhisit was not "elected by the people" when no PM in this country, or many others, are not directly voted for by the people.
Abhisit was directly elected by the peoples representatives. The same way Thaksin, Samak and Somchai were.
Abhisit was elected with the help of the smaller coalition parties. They same way Thaksin (once), Samak and Somchai were.
That is normal and considered democratic. The people need to learn what is normal and democratic.
I can say it.. and I did just that.
I think Thailand desperately needs political reform and could probably do better with an American style electoral system…primary elections (eliminates ship jumping) followed by a general election by the people (one man one vote). I feel the parliamentary style system they are using now completely lacks discipline...with corruption being a “normalcy” in Thailand, the current system has proven to run counter to the values of democracy. //My opinion.
They need to stop fighting and find solutions of lasting value.
Some will worry about vote buying…they say vote sellers would take pictures of their ballot card for proof. Solution… walk the voters through an airport scanner/metal detector to detect cell phones/cameras in line to the ballot box. Use regional voting centers, free transportation, etc. Expensive? Sure... and so are blackhawks, bomb detectors, and protests!
-
Or did they? Has the missing element or persons behind it been identified yet? (link?) Who is pushing this assassination circus?
What the post before you is describing must be what Abhisit meant when he vowed to return "normalcy".
If he were voted in by the people through a general election, I guess only then could he have vowed to return "democracy".
What a mess...
Tracy ... how did Somchai become PM?
Peter, it really doesn’t matter... it was considered “normalcy” at the time that it happened!
You’re barking up the wrong tree... I think every PM should be elected by the people at the ballot box. Otherwise I feel the system has failed them (the people and the PM) and all of these "fixes" are only temporary... forcing democracy to take a back seat.
“Normalcy” in Thailand seems to mean that there are no rules, lawlessness abides, and anything can happen... unless it bothers someone higher up the food chain.
What is considered "normalcy" in Thailand? That would make a good thread... and would probably get closed in about 2 minutes.
-
I note that the pink shirts rallied yesterday in defiance of the State of Emergency declared by Abhisit...I'm wondering why all the law and order fanatical farangs on here aren't calling for them to be shot by the army as lawbreakers? Perhaps we have a double standard, where it's only members of one side that the law applies to....
Perhaps because the pink demonstrators did not use grenades, rifles, and other war weapons to kill or injure some 300 security force personnel, threaten to burn BKK buildings, threaten the life of government representatives, assassinate military officers, or block a major area of the CBD in BKK for weeks in defiance of the ISA and SOE.
Just a guess mind you.
Or did they? Has the missing element or persons behind it been identified yet? (link?) Who is pushing this assassination circus?
What the post before you is describing must be what Abhisit meant when he vowed to return "normalcy".
If he were voted in by the people through a general election, I guess only then could he have vowed to return "democracy".
What a mess...
-
Thanks - you really nailed that dope.
Too bad nearly every RED of the dozens I know and work with and live in the same soi with (many of whom I like as persons by the way) are so indoctrinated with RED propaganda that they can't hold a calm rational discussion for more than 60 seconds - except with a 'tourist' or another RED.
Try it and see.
I wonder what they think of your conversation skills.
You actually like many of them as persons? You mean real life persons?
Geez, I wonder why theres a discussion problem.
-
1) that is _YOUR_ very limited personal opinion. last days you posted grand panorama theories.
2) here's a link: facebook page _against_ house resolution went from ab 170,000 to 291,000 in _less than a week_! are these people & voices entitled to have a say in your compulsive interpretation of events? _they_ DO NOT WANT house to be disolved. what about that?
http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=108372992525155
3) i read your posts. you seem to insinuate whoever disagrees with your opinion is a) either an addict to gov-mind-spin or
incapable to access media. 555. (btw, i'm still waiting for a source of "independent" media you claim you've access to)4) anyone ever told you a mind-state flooded by emotions ("capable of dropping tear gas from helicopters on the elderly and on women with infant children in their arms" etc) doesn't necessarily favor ratio?
5) in _your_ opinion, " Abhisit could have prevented the deaths on both sides by agreeing to dissolution of parliament and calling for elections…immediately." in _my_ opinion, Abhisit tries to break this vicious cycle of weak judiciary, corruption, disregard for "law&order" - & next coup. by trying to _establish_ some rules of civic rule&order.
6) btw, personally, ... but before being banned again...
Yes, it is only an opinion, just like yours. I fully agree that what I posted is pure theory....does that mean it didn't happen?
The red to non-red ratio must be 12:1 on TV…. most are one liner bandwagon trolls. Anything that goes against the master plan is attacked 12 different ways and is not welcome. Why have a forum if everyone needs to agree on everything?
Do you have proof that your facebook buddies didn't open several accounts each? I wonder how many of that 291000 would be willing to get beat up, gassed, and shot at before joining your friends group.
Sorry, can't post links to certain news media because it is against the rules... this forum is based in democratic Thailand remember? As far as the emotional ratio you speak of, don't tell me… go tell the women who were holding the babies. They would probably disagree with you, among other things.
I told you that I think Abhisit could have prevented all this and I told you why... deal with it. You know, there is another way he could have avoided all this mess. If he had been voted in by the people in the first place! He would have earned respect instead of demanding it.
Have a nice day!!
1) as usual with "red" spin... --- once asked to corroborate original instigating accuses, comments, remarks..., nothing comes... but side-stepping:
2) _i_ said: 1) that is _YOUR_ very limited personal opinion. last days you posted grand panorama theories.
you replied: Yes, it is only an opinion, just like yours. I fully agree that what I posted is pure theory....does that mean it didn't happen?
a) first of all, in your initial statements you claim _absolute_ discourse supremacy: _I_ KNOW! _I_ AM ENTITLED TO TELL THE TRUTH! {sorry for the caps. just to make my point clear ;-)}
_now_ you retreat. & ask us to consider, it _maybe_ "it could have happened" according to your narrative. wanna learn something about post-modernist media-theory?
3) _i_ said: here's a link: facebook page _against_ house resolution went from ab 170,000 to 291,000 in _less than a week_! are these people & voices entitled to have a say in your compulsive interpretation of events? _they_ DO NOT WANT house to be disolved. what about that?
you replied: Do you have proof that your facebook buddies didn't open several accounts each? I wonder how many of that 291000 would be willing to get beat up, gassed, and shot at before joining your friends group.
a) you evade central argument. central argument was that _obvious_ there are people in thailand who _disagree_, even _oppose_ "red shirt" _bullying_ ways to "get their way". i asked you if _those_ voices are entitled to have a say?
instead of answering, you go off:b.I) just by belittling _both_ "number" of fb-friends, as well as "raise" during last week. if i may say so: either you're deluding yourself ("this is _not_ happening") or you just try to discredit information that doesn't fit your view - & _you_ _obviously_ _cannot_ counter with arguments.
b.II) instead of that you indulge in romantic heroism rhetoric. yes, sound is good ;-)
b.III) same time you're spinning same narrative again: i'd say, _not one_ "authentic" red-shirt is out there to be experience being beaten up, gassed or shot at --- same same is true for army & police. _but_, as i oppose your "views": events had shown it's _not_ government that worked on "escalation of conflict" but ... "red shirt" _leaders_. _these_, definitely, have _nothing_ to loose anymore.
4) _i_ say: i read your posts. you seem to insinuate whoever disagrees with your opinion is a) either an addict to gov-mind-spin or
incapable to access media. 555. (btw, i'm still waiting for a source of "independent" media you claim you've access to)you replied: Sorry, I can't post links to certain news media because it is against the rules... this forum is based in democratic Thailand remember?
a) yes, this forum is based in democratic thailand. how about expressing some gratitude you're allowed to post your dissent?
nonsense. i & many others regularly support our posts with links to "outside" sources. there exist some forum rules - but if you wanna discuss forum rules; why not better set up your own?c) nonsense: you can mention media names, or keywords for a google search, or you can send me a pm. none of that happened. btw, it never happens with "red spin" apologists, how comes?
5) _i_ said: anyone ever told you a mind-state flooded by emotions ("capable of dropping tear gas from helicopters on the elderly and on women with infant children in their arms" etc) doesn't necessarily favor ratio?
you replied: As far as the emotional ratio you speak of, don't tell me… go tell the women who were holding the babies. They would probably disagree with you, among other things.
a) you're side-stepping again: i stated that in emotionally heated discussion it's of _dis-advantage_ to incite even _more_ "excitement of mind/heart". instead, for the benefit of many, it'd be wise... to calm down, step back from one's opinion, engage exchange of views, discussion.
instead of a reply to that "rational" approach - you _even_ escalate your "rhetorics", by, again evoking same imagery of "go tell the women who were holding the babies".c) may i tell you something? _YOU_ are neither in charge of ..._NOR_ _entitled_ to speak for these "women who're holding the babies." it's a disgusting & sickening rhetoric manoeuver to conceive anyone _opposed_ to your "limited views" (see above) as a violent _inhuman_ going after "women holding babies". _you_ are using emotionally charged images to further incite a volatile situation. q.e.d. that, imho, is _not_ a rational approach. i doubt its benefits.
6) _i_ said: in _your_ opinion, " Abhisit could have prevented the deaths on both sides by agreeing to dissolution of parliament and calling for elections…immediately." in _my_ opinion, Abhisit tries to break this vicious cycle of weak judiciary, corruption, disregard for "law&order" - & next coup. by trying to _establish_ some rules of civic rule&order.
you replied: I told you that I think Abhisit could have prevented all this and I told you why... deal with it. You know, there is another way he could have avoided all this mess. If he had been voted in by the people in the first place! He would have earned respect instead of demanding it.
a) again you're side-stepping. actually i even gave you my evaluation of events so you'd have some material for critique. did that happen? no.
instead of _replying_ to my post... you're just continuing proclaiming the very absurdities that i _challenged_ - & _YOU_ _obviously_ are unable to address or counter.c) again, as with so many "red shirts" apologists - besides all rhetorics, you _want_ other minds/hearts/people to _act&behave_ _ACCORDING_ to _YOUR_ inclinations! you even claim to know what's best for Abhisit to do! & - as shown above - you simply don't care that there others out there who disagree with you. YOU JUST WANT PEOPLE TO BEHAVE AS YOU WANT THEM TO. was that clear enough?
7) you say: Have a nice day!!
i try to enjoy a happy heart/mind.
-------------
This is me saying: If you can’t think for yourself, then don’t try and think for me!
This is me saying: Maybe you could try a toy puppet; one may be coming available real soon!
This is me saying: I see you’ve read the new thaivisa Play by Play Puppet Master Posting Guide for Dummies, Vol.13.
This is me side stepping to tell you: This post will most likely be blocked for attempting to use humor against a non red. lol
As you can see by my numbers, I’m very new at posting on TV…been enjoying it for other purposes for years though. Until recently, I had no idea that this was such a biased forum where only one view was welcome. I have no problem with that…if I don’t like it, I can click the off button. Honestly, the more I read the posts, the less seriously I take them. They’re so biased it’s comical. It also makes me laugh when someone dissects my entire post, line by line, like you did. It basically means that you’re picking a bloody tooth out from your keyboard.
I don’t care what other people think to the point of trying to change them... people have to change themselves and are entitled to their opinions. I don’t have to like it or agree with it.
Your slurs and assumptions are nothing less than hilarious. Just remember, if I don’t meet with your approval for any reason, then I am very thankful! I must be doing something right.
Also, I don’t know anybody personally that wants to see Thailand in this situation. I sincerely hope they find a way out of this mess with some long term solutions.
peace-
------------
-
^^ What does that have to do with a spotter highlighting the targets for the shooters?
Absolutely,Thanks! Was in a big hurry, correction made..
I don't believe it necessarily had to be a spotter…both the standard Amy issue TAR-21 and SAR-21 Assault rifles come with an integrated IR (Green) laser pointer.
-
What I find interesting is that at 6.00-6.05 (and possible at more times) we can see the green laser pointer walking at stomach-height and shaking in the crowd, i.e. someone in the red crowd was the 'spotter of targets' (lose use of the term) for the later shots we could see in the other videos - anyone have time and patience to trace who could be wielding it?
I don't believe you necessarily need a spotter if using the standard Amy issue TAR-21 and SAR-21 Assault rifles... they both come with an integrated IR (Green) laser pointer.
-
{snip}
You don't have to like what I said, agree with it…or read it. In my opinion, Abhisit could have prevented the deaths on both sides by agreeing to dissolution of parliament and calling for elections…immediately. Elections are coming anyway and for me, the value of life is worth more than his nine month timeframe. And, being his decision as PM, I think he should take full responsibility for the outcome.
I think he used excessive force from the very start and I don't understand why the use of Snipers is so unimaginable. Do your family members and friends seriously believe that Abhisits military, capable of dropping tear gas from helicopters on the elderly and on women with infant children in their arms is incapable of using Snipers? And how would tear gassing old people and babies not be considered hatred? Also, every Army I can think of has Snipers… and this one decided to use everything in their arsenal except Snipers? I remember just yesterday, people were called crazy for saying that the Army may have fired live rounds at Redshirts…
There is an enormous amount of historical data concerning the use of Snipers for psychological effect. This is actually only one of the Snipers common battlefield uses. The desire for a demoralizing psychological effect is why I believe the Army could have used Snipers. This demoralizing effect was also their objective when blasting the psychological warfare music.
Wikipedia
Psychological warfare
Due to the unexpected aspect of sniper fire, high lethality of aimed shots and frustration at the inability to locate and attack snipers, sniper tactics have a significant effect on morale. Extensive use of sniper tactics can be used as a psychological strategy in order to induce constant stress in opposing forces.
One may note that by many aspects (constant threat, high "per event" lethality, inability to strike back), the psychological impact imposed by snipers is quite similar to those of landmines, booby-traps, and IED's.
1) that is _YOUR_ very limited personal opinion. last days you posted grand panorama theories.
2) here's a link: facebook page _against_ house resolution went from ab 170,000 to 291,000 in _less than a week_! are these people & voices entitled to have a say in your compulsive interpretation of events? _they_ DO NOT WANT house to be disolved. what about that?
http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=108372992525155
3) i read your posts. you seem to insinuate whoever disagrees with your opinion is a) either an addict to gov-mind-spin or
incapable to access media. 555. (btw, i'm still waiting for a source of "independent" media you claim you've access to)4) anyone ever told you a mind-state flooded by emotions ("capable of dropping tear gas from helicopters on the elderly and on women with infant children in their arms" etc) doesn't necessarily favor ratio?
5) in _your_ opinion, " Abhisit could have prevented the deaths on both sides by agreeing to dissolution of parliament and calling for elections…immediately." in _my_ opinion, Abhisit tries to break this vicious cycle of weak judiciary, corruption, disregard for "law&order" - & next coup. by trying to _establish_ some rules of civic rule&order.
6) btw, personally, ... but before being banned again...
Yes, it is only an opinion, just like yours. I fully agree that what I posted is pure theory....does that mean it didn’t happen?
The red to non-red ratio must be 12:1 on TV…. most are one liner bandwagon trolls. Anything that goes against the master plan is attacked 12 different ways and is not welcome. Why have a forum if everyone needs to agree on everything?
Do you have proof that your facebook buddies didn’t open several accounts each? I wonder how many of that 291000 would be willing to get beat up, gassed, and shot at before joining your friends group.
Sorry, I can’t post links to certain news media because it is against the rules... this forum is based in democratic Thailand remember? As far as the emotional ratio you speak of, don’t tell me… go tell the women who were holding the babies. They would probably disagree with you, among other things.
I told you that I think Abhisit could have prevented all this and I told you why... deal with it. You know, there is another way he could have avoided all this mess. If he had been voted in by the people in the first place! He would have earned respect instead of demanding it.
Have a nice day!!
DSI Seeking Cooperation From Interpol For Thaksin’s Extradition
in Thailand News
Posted
There's always hope that the Aliens might revisit you and remove the device... until then, dream on.