Exnavy

zeichen - This isn't bull. 2 kilos at 3 months is not special when they get the correct feed.

teletiger - Yes, that's about right for skinny b/yard chickens. They'll mostly be around a kilo or a little more.

wolfmanjack - Yes, 70 baht a kilo is probably right in some areas. I'd take that anytime. 75/80 is being offered here because broilers are scarce and in demand.

canada - I asked for advice, assuming that somebody in the forum has experience on this subject. I did not expect to be told 'no way etc.', which in my book says I'm bullsh.....g. From the info already posted, there seems to be enough to verify my thoughts on the subject, so I will most certainly rear a few broilers

zeichen - This isn't bull. 2 kilos at 3 months is not special when they get the correct feed.

teletiger - Yes, that's about right for skinny b/yard chickens. They'll mostly be around a kilo or a little more.

wolfmanjack - Yes, 70 baht a kilo is probably right in some areas. I'd take that anytime. 75/80 is being offered here because broilers are scarce and in demand.

canada - I asked for advice, assuming that somebody in the forum has experience on this subject. I did not expect to be told 'no way etc.', which in my book says I'm bullsh.....g. From the info already posted, there seems to be enough to verify my thoughts on the subject, so I will most certainly rear a few broilers

Hey! I don't want to get into a slanging match over this. I say what my wife and her family have been offered - regularly!! In fact, the dealer's last offer was 80 baht per kilo live weight, because there were so few chickens available in the area. This price was subsequently reflected at the local weekend market on the dressed chickens. Look around!

his has resulted from repeated visits by small dealers to the area, who want to buy chickens. Not your regular 'farang style' chickens which when cooked in whatever way, are white and tender. They ask for backyard Thai chickens, in my view tough and unpalatable, but which certainly in this area (Buriram), are what the Thais like.

I'm not talking about going up against big producers, I said; "on a moderate scale", turning out around 100 a month. I believe it can be done with a relatively small outlay, but these chickens sell to these buyers currently for 75 baht per kilo and they will grow to 2 kilo in 3 months. I see them plucked and placed in polothene bags at the local market, selling for between 180 and 225 baht dependant on weight.

I'm simply asking for advice from anybody who may be doing this or has done so, such that I can verify or not what I think I know, before jumping in.

his has resulted from repeated visits by small dealers to the area, who want to buy chickens. Not your regular 'farang style' chickens which when cooked in whatever way, are white and tender. They ask for backyard Thai chickens, in my view tough and unpalatable, but which certainly in this area (Buriram), are what the Thais like.

I'm not talking about going up against big producers, I said; "on a moderate scale", turning out around 100 a month. I believe it can be done with a relatively small outlay, but these chickens sell to these buyers currently for 75 baht per kilo and they will grow to 2 kilo in 3 months. I see them plucked and placed in polothene bags at the local market, selling for between 180 and 225 baht dependant on weight.

I'm simply asking for advice from anybody who may be doing this or has done so, such that I can verify or not what I think I know, before jumping in.

This has resulted from repeated visits by small dealers to the area, who want to buy chickens. Not your regular 'farang style' chickens which when cooked in whatever way, are white and tender. They ask for backyard Thai chickens, in my view tough and unpalatable, but which certainly in this area (Buriram), are what the Thais like.

I'm not talking about going up against big producers, I said; "on a moderate scale", turning out around 100 a month. I believe it can be done with a relatively small outlay, but these chickens sell to these buyers currently for 75 baht per kilo and they will grow to 2 kilo in 3 months. I see them plucked and placed in polothene bags at the local market, selling for between 180 and 225 baht dependant on weight.

I'm simply asking for advice from anybody who may be doing this or has done so, such that I can verify or not what I think I know, before jumping in.

I'm pretty sure that this topic has come up before, but despite using the search facility several times and different descriptions, nothing is found on the subject. So.... my Thai wife tells me that there is always a demand for broilers as opposed to layers and that a batch of chicks can be reared to selling stage within 2/3 months with the correct diet and conditions. I'd like to try this on a moderate scale. Any advice please?

The remarkable thing about kids is that they are human beings too, who happen to be more dramatic in expressing their emotions. They haven't grown up enough to know to conceal their true feelings and resort to cunning and trickery. So, reading about these kids behavior is a good indicator of the social undercurrent going on, but that the kids have not learned to conceal yet.

Thailand's problem solving process goes like this; fight or flight.

When they fight, it is no holds barred and no quarter asked for or given.

When they make flight, there is no possibility to get them to return to the issue or location to talk rationally. They have no rationale. This is how they get programmed through their childhood. No human is born with Intel Pentium inside, and a host of software to know how to cope with life. It has to get programmed in as the human grows up. Clearly, the evidence surrounding us is a strong indicator of what type of programming is going on. Animal from the start, and human being by programming that brings out our better nature; otherwise, our animal nature will rule.

These days in Western countries, if a father administers tough love and corrects his children with a swat to the bum, he goes to jail, gets a restraining order, goes through mandatory anger management class, etc. The old days are gone, and the new Western world will see the affects of children who do not respect each other due to the inability to understand and respect each individual's boundaries.

The West is a good example of how wrong it is for governments to involve themselves in matters far better left to responsible, caring, and loving parents. Mommy is the nurturer, and Daddy is "The Line". Don't step over the line. But the West has systematically removed Daddy from the home, which is now run by the remainder of the family unit. I hope Thailand's government does not intervene as the West has. I hope they begin putting the yoke of responsibility back onto the Father and Mother.

But one problem here with the Thai fathers is one that bring s a saying to mind: "I am my father's son". The governments of the West had to make laws to get the father out of the home. The irony here is that Thailand needs to make laws to get the fathers back into the the home. There never was any need to get the fathers out of the home because the culture here does not seem to cultivate a patriarchal responsibility in a society that is known to be matriarchal. Hence the mom making a statement, and leaving me asking, "where the heck is dad?".

On a side note, I find it interesting that of all the children in orphanages in Thailand, over 60% have parents who have not yet signed a waiver of release for their kids to be in an orphanage. Hence they cannot get adopted. Is this another facet of an issue where Thai parents simply do not want to be involved with their children after they get past that cute and cuddly age? If the beast is not programmed to be a human of better nature, then it will grow into an adult beast, with all the facade of simulating a normal adult. But when you look at the track record, the diagnosis is clear.

What makes a person stop-check their self before stepping across the line? Clearly, Thailand has not found an answer to that, nor a deterrent to those who do. I think the reason for this is that tugging at any one strand of this social structure will cause the entire web to tremble.

To the people who abhor any form of physical correction towards children, then I wonder if they are also against having a strong military presence to protect their right to abhor violence. After all, isn't a military supposed to be prepared to punch the enemy in the snout and make them think twice about stepping across the line?

Idealists seem to hide behind the ankles of the realists when the doo-doo hits the fan. But when everything is peaceful and serene, they come out from under their rocks and condemn violence in all forms, regardless of the necessity in life to administer it at certain times, and to certain individuals, as a deterrent to far worse behavior - to get that beast back on the track to becoming a human of better nature.

Let's corral the idealists together and put them in the same neighborhood where these unruly animals live. I wonder if they will start a neighborhood charity and spend time with these not fully matured, feral humans, and mentor them onto the path of becoming human beings of a better nature. I am quite certain it will not be long before they cry for someone other than themselves to "get tough" on these kids.

You will never find an idealist in a fox-hole, and negotiating with children is the height of folly!

didnt read further..

reminds me of the black ghetto's ... common joke is.. no black kid ever has a daddy... well those black kid we're the #1 gun shooters in statistics.

if they ever kept legit statistic in thailand, it would probably be the same

Many thanks to you all for your feedback.

I want to convert an area of land into grazing land for cattle. Can anybody recommend a type of fast growing grass suitable for this, which will also survive the extremes of Thai weather?

Hi importford, since no one with the answer to your question has jumped in, I'll give you my thoughts. The only Hom Mali rice that I know of at that price is organically grown and has to be registered with the local Co-op before the planting season. Calling it Red Hom Mali seems to suggest removing the husk of the rice but leaving on the skin which is red. The rice, I suspect, is no different from ordinary Hom Mali, 4 months and approx 600 Kg/ rai.

Keep in mind however, I'm an electrical engineer/ diesel mechanic/ plumber/ womanizer and the only thing I have in common with farming is that I drink Lao Cow. Just observing the family here in Surin.

finner

Not totally true. I grew Red Hom Mali rice for the first time last year on 6 Rai of fairly sandy soil. Did get a similar yield as for standard Hom Mali and sold half straight away at the local 'rice depot' for 20 Baht per kilo. Hom Mali was going for about 15 Baht per kilo at the time. Still got the rest and sitting on it waiting for hopefully a higher price next month.

exnavy: How many kg/ rai did you harvest?

Only 320 kg/rai. However, this was due in the main to poor water distribution over the land. We had attempted to level the land (which when purchased formed a shallow valley), and divide it up into 4 large rice fields but after the first heavy rains we quickly realised that only half was receiving adequate water. To compound the problem, a huge volumn of water entered our land from adjacent property, cutting through waccanas and making it difficult to retain in the fields.

However, we have made several changes since and this our second year, we hope to yield 500 kg/rai at least. Not 600 plus as mentioned by yourself, but enough in my books.

In this short time I have though learned a lot.

Is it true that for Red Hom Mali you need a different peeling machine?

Or what other differences in planting, growing?

Yes. Otherwise the red outer coat is abrasively removed and you end up with red 'spotted' grains. I don't know what the difference is machinewise, but we pay nothing for standard 'peeling' and 80 Baht per sack to retain beautiful red grains.

Hi importford, since no one with the answer to your question has jumped in, I'll give you my thoughts. The only Hom Mali rice that I know of at that price is organically grown and has to be registered with the local Co-op before the planting season. Calling it Red Hom Mali seems to suggest removing the husk of the rice but leaving on the skin which is red. The rice, I suspect, is no different from ordinary Hom Mali, 4 months and approx 600 Kg/ rai.

Keep in mind however, I'm an electrical engineer/ diesel mechanic/ plumber/ womanizer and the only thing I have in common with farming is that I drink Lao Cow. Just observing the family here in Surin.

finner

Not totally true. I grew Red Hom Mali rice for the first time last year on 6 Rai of fairly sandy soil. Did get a similar yield as for standard Hom Mali and sold half straight away at the local 'rice depot' for 20 Baht per kilo. Hom Mali was going for about 15 Baht per kilo at the time. Still got the rest and sitting on it waiting for hopefully a higher price next month.

exnavy: How many kg/ rai did you harvest?

Hi importford, since no one with the answer to your question has jumped in, I'll give you my thoughts. The only Hom Mali rice that I know of at that price is organically grown and has to be registered with the local Co-op before the planting season. Calling it Red Hom Mali seems to suggest removing the husk of the rice but leaving on the skin which is red. The rice, I suspect, is no different from ordinary Hom Mali, 4 months and approx 600 Kg/ rai.

Keep in mind however, I'm an electrical engineer/ diesel mechanic/ plumber/ womanizer and the only thing I have in common with farming is that I drink Lao Cow. Just observing the family here in Surin.

finner

Not totally true. I grew Red Hom Mali rice for the first time last year on 6 Rai of fairly sandy soil. Did get a similar yield as for standard Hom Mali and sold half straight away at the local 'rice depot' for 20 Baht per kilo. Hom Mali was going for about 15 Baht per kilo at the time. Still got the rest and sitting on it waiting for hopefully a higher price next month.

Very true.

The guys with page after page of tourist visas are for the most part not tourists, but illegal workers IMO.

Get the proper visa for working/retiring in the country and you won't have these issues.

~WISteve

Regarding all Thai visa issues, the inconsistancies at all Thai Immigration Offices and Thai Consulates is the main cause for complaints from expats. At the end of the day, though it is usually after days/weeks sometimes months of frustration, expence and worry, visa issues for the individual get sorted one way or another.

Though tourism is Thailands main source of income, Farangs have to accept that the policy here is and always has been, 'Thailand for the Thais'. Yes, they want your money but they really do not want you, long term. If you want to stay, then you can and even though the 'goal posts' are moved regularly, most expats succeed in obtaining their visa. Thai Immigration will always make it difficult for you and if you do not accept that then you should not be here. It is not going to change.

I'm a Brit, born English from English parents and I wish the same policy was in place there. I feel that England is no longer my country, it now belongs to every other national in the world who arrives legally or illegally and I as a born Englishman, I just do not count any more. That for sure will never happen in Thailand so have Thai Immigration got it wrong?

Hua Hin Immigration ask for new letter from embassy each year, (if that is the method used by the individual), for a retirement visa. They also ask for copy of your 'house book' and map showing location of your residence.