tulipgirl

And I think many of the women don't speak hardly any thai and many thai men don't speak much english

This one is very funny. I am in a cramp right now. Actually, I have observed that there is not much serious talking going on between farang men and their ladies (even if the man speaks Thai).

Also, I think the few farang women would go for Thai doctors or businessmen and those men do speak English.

How many farang men have married Thai women who have a good education and career? If the answer is none, than perhaps, when the lady tickles the belly-button, she can also check what's in the man's pocket.

Not that there's anything wrong with it. If a poor Thai woman wants to end her economic suffering by marrying a western reject with money and many more years of life experience, than both parties get what they want. The man gets the girl, and the girl gets the money......

Tonititan. Your arguments ring very true. Thanks. Though I am not into men, I find plenty of Thai and Chinese-Thais very attractive-looking.

Upinthesky. Your argument also rings true.

I don't know why my post ended up here. Maybe Admin can move it.

I am sure size has little to do with it, Dave. And I bet that your Thai lady can tickle your belly-button with her eyelashes without ducking down. Is that practical?

I am a tiny lesbian in a wheelchair, so every Thai man and child is taller than I am. My Japanese girlfriend pushes me around.

I (farang female) have been living in Thailand for 3 years now. I might be wrong but it occurs to me that it is the trend for many farang men to have relationships with Thai ladies. Apart from a few exceptions, I do not see relationships between farang women and Thai men. Actually, I might be right if I observe that most farangs living in Thailand are men.

Outside Thailand, it also happens that some western men have relationships with women from East-block countries. Not many western women have Russian, Polish, Lithuanian, Uzbekistani, or Kazakhstani husbands. I have a hunch why this is so, but I like to hear your opinion on this matter.

I hope not that many western men consider Thai and East-block ladies to be so much nicer than ladies from their own nationalities. Please enlighten me.

Thanks guys (and a few girls).

Oh, if there are Thai men reading this thread and marry farang girls who had a bad experience, than there is hope for me too.

After a one-year relationship with a Chinese Chinese who works in Bangkok, I found out he cheated on me... with a Thai guy. We're still friends after I helped him to accept the fact that he's just not that into girls. Poor me.

Then I dated 14 Thai guys who at some time all turn out to be money boys.

Then I dated a really nice guy. Handsome, and rich. He wanted to pay for everything. He always picked me up in his big car. I was older than he was, but that didn't matter to him. I met his family and everything was fine. Until, he stopped calling me. That was in April. I think he broke up with me.

Oh Tulipgirl, the bit about your bf is so cute. Now I have a vision of a teensy weensy dark Thai guy with white powder on his exposed limbs wearing cuban heels

He also bought an umbrella and factor 60 sun block which he uses when he plays football. The powder he puts on his face. I told him I didn't want him to look like a money boy and just be himself. Oy Vey! His boots are okay, but very hot. I told him to to wear sandals.

BTW, Eek, I didn't say ALL Thais, but many Thais are obsessed with white skin, whether it be their own or other peoples'.

It is practically impossible to find skin cream in Thai drugstores that doesn't have bleaching or whitening stuff in it. Thais generally admire a white skin, and I see many women and men who have bleached their skin or make their complexion more fair with talcum power. Niveau Beautiful White Baby Face is a best seller, Or Care Angel Soft Pearl White is also very in demand. Whitening products are a multi-billion baht industry in Thailand. Also, most people that appear on televison appear to be whiter than I am, and I am white. Not English white but Dutch white. Every day I hear: O, you so beautiful white. What can I answer: And you so beautiful black? That's a joke. My boyfriend apologised to me for being so dark-skinned. Over time I noticed how his skin got fairer. And he also started wearing shoes with higher heels, to be taller.

And really, I thought he already looked dashing hot the way he is.

Cheers...

Great list GraBangkok,

I would add: (age 80)

Pulse

I think Men without body hair are very attractive. Thus I am okay in Asia. Number 1: Chinese and Koreans, Taiwanese, number 2: Japanese (from the belt up), 3. Siamese Thais. 4: Tibetan Amdowas and Khampas.

Yummie.

I often speak to children of divorced parents who remarried and had more children. Apart from that, I also hear them talk about their fathers having even more children with their Mia Nois.

So I think Thai men don't have a problem with children, even if they are not directly related by blood. Perhaps Thai women with children who prefer to marry a farang have a different agenda.

I also don't see farang women with Thai men.

Is it fair to say that it is practically impossible for a Caucasian woman to find a nice Thai man who is seriously seeking a relationship (despite the fact that the Thais are obsessed with white skin). I often read that Thai men aren't the best spouses in the world anyway. So girls, how many of you have found real love in Thailand (with short or tall men) and are not supporting your Thai men and their families financially?

Actually Tulipgirl I originally thought there weren't many foreign woman/Thai man partnerships out there either. But in the course of of my work now I come across couples regularly. And mostly they are long-term-married-with-kids so they are not 19 year old bar boy/backpacker couples. They are out there, living their lives in the suburbs like everyone else.

I'm one who found a fabulous, mid-30s, single Thai man & we are now happily married. I don't send money to his parents but do occasionally pay for things. I also occasionally send money to my own mother back home. Why should anyone begrudge me the right to spend my salary as I see fit?

Oh...and he's taller than me by a smidge

Thanks. That's nice to hear. Congratulations. May your love last long.

And Bina, acquaintances might be a better word. Considering true friends, I would say I have only 4, as I can call them and ask them to come over in case I need help. However, many of my 67 acquaintences are close to me and we do spend much time together, often in sub-groups. Most of them know each other as well. I have no colleagues BTW.

I can understand the Mia Noi situation, perhaps because of my French ancestry. After a while, a person may get a little bored with their partner, even though one may not have arguments or anything negative. If there is no need to divorce, I think it is possible to be committed to one person for life and have a lover as well, male or female, concubine, mia noi, whatever you want to call him or her.

I have several Thai friends who have fathers with Mia Nois. They tell me so when I ask them how many brothers and sisters they have.

“Well, I have one sister who is the child of my father and mother, but I also have 8 sisters and brothers but they are the children of my father and his 5 mia nois.”

I hear this more than occasionally; it appears to be the norm. They are not always rich.

According to a physician-friend, about 50% of his colleagues have one or more Mia Nois.

I must admit that I might be one of few women who was happily married in the Netherlands to a Chinese physician and very much in love but I had a male lover for six years. My husband knew about our friendship and accepted. My husband died in an accident after 3 years, while my lover got a girlfriend. I decided to move to Asia.

In Asia I told a boyfriend I wouldn’t mind if he would have a Mia Noi after a while, provided I could have a male concubine (is there’s a word for a male Mia Noi?). Controversial, perhaps, but normal in Asia for many people who can afford it, and also sometimes practical. As long as all parties agree with the arrangement.

In Bangkok I lived in a high-rise full of Mia Nois, often with children, waiting for their men in their big cars to visit them a few times a week. They would stay home and watch television all day long. Not very interesting, but financial security and perhaps love might bond those people to their masters. If the Mia Noi can find a better master, the man might be in tears. Some girls had more than one male sponsor and the men didn’t know about those arrangements. The girls kept a whole administration. Mister 1 likes this, Mister 2 likes that etc.

I think in the west those arrangements are unacceptable but in Asia more likely to occur.

You seem to have an itch that you can not scratch, tulipgirl. And you are searching for something that seldom exists. Unless you can fluently speak the language in a foreign country it is next to impossible to have an in depth discussion with the locals. There are a lot of educated men and women in Thailand, but meeting them and creating long term friendships is more difficult if you don't speak the language and don't have the right connections. I don't know if you speak the language or not, but I've met a few lovely women in Thailand where I can discuss many things of interest to both of us. I truly hope you can some day find what you are searching for.

Fortunately I am not as desperate as I may appear to be. I have 67 Thai friends in Bangkok who are fluent in English and I have intelligent conversations with them. I just moved to Pattaya so I need some time to find new friends here. Regarding itches that I cannot scratch... well, Pattaya is the place to have them scratched for you... haha. I love Prachuapkhirikhan and I think of moving there as soon as I can speak some basic Thai. I can already count to a million.

Also, I don't speak a lot of Thai and whenever I visit other places, nobody tends to speak English or French or Hindi or Spanish. What cities do you girls (and boys) think are good for living? I work at home so I do not rely on finding an outside job, just a nice place to live.

Good places for living? If you think about cultivated, intelligent, interesting, etc. people: Better leave Thailand. I met not even ten of them up to now and 9 1/2 of them were foreigners.

I will run as soon as my work life is over here and then I return to civilisation! Until then, internet will help me not to forget proper grammar, spelling and complete sentences.

Now this is a direct answer I like. I must say, after living here for 2.5 years I never had an intelligent conversation, including with academically trained people. Pattaya is definitely not the place for me, but I will join the Ladies Club and see if that gives me some pleasure. I have been to Chiang Mai with Loi Krathong, but thought it was a bit quiet after that. Before I moved to Thailand I lived in the Himalayas in India. After that, Thailand is disappointing in many ways, though I had the impression I would get better food here. There wasn't much of it where I lived in India. Perhaps I should finish my project in Thailand and move to another Asian country. I am not sure of going back to India. Have any of you lived in other Asian countries? Which one ranks best? I intend to stay in this part of the world.

Thanks everybody for your comments regarding my scribbles. Indeed, I am over 29 and I have learned by now that Thai men tend to get married when they are younger, at least the majority. I am not unhappy, as one of you suggested. Being in a relationship for more than three months often give more cause to grief than being single for a considerable time. I also understand that Pattaya is a sex-orientated city, which has its advantages haha. Interesting to read that men in the south tend to be taller. In Europe it’s the opposite. When I lived in Bangkok I was able to make more quality friends, but the air quality and noise made me move to a quiet place outside Pattaya. I thought it was a good choice as I still desire to travel to Bangkok frequently. From Pattaya it isn’t a very long drive.

Also, I don’t speak a lot of Thai and whenever I visit other places, nobody tends to speak English or French or Hindi or Spanish. What cities do you girls (and boys) think are good for living? I work at home so I do not rely on finding an outside job, just a nice place to live.

Oops. I am very sorry to have offended a few people. I didn't try to sound racist and I had no intention to engage in Thai-bashing. I have been living in Thailand for nearly 3 years and lived in Asia for 10, so if I were a racist, I would not live in this part of the world. I based my words on conversations with many Thai and western friends as well as my personal observations and experiences. I live in Thailand because I really enjoy living here and I do so voluntarily. I enjoy my friendships with Thais, and I will probably live here for many years to come. Perhaps my ideas have been coloured by the many negative stories of people I have spoken to, and I have some sad and disappointing experiences as well. I wasn't aware that my words would create such an emotional response, and I apologise for that. I am a positive person but also realistic.

I have been dating a very nice Thai man and I was very happy. He spoke of getting married and having children and he introduced me to his family. He had more money than I have and drove a big car, but then he asked me to give him quite a large amount of money. I told him in a nice way that I was unable to do so. He knew I didn't have that much money in the first place. That was the last time I had heard of him. A few weeks later I started dating another very nice Thai man. After many "I love you's" he asked me to give him 30,000 baht. I didn't and that was the last time I heard of him. Over the past years I have spoken to many Thai girls and they just told me: Why would you want to have a Thai husband? We prefer farang. So it's not me who thinks bad about Thai, but many Thais that I have been talking to.

I do have very nice Thai friends who never ask me for money, but they are platonic friends and most of them are gay anyway. So please don't criticise me for being honest about my personal experiences.

I am 1.78 or 5.10. My last boyfriend was 1.65, thus much shorter, but he compensated that with his perfect body and face. He is a football player.

My previous bf was actually a Chinese of 1.85, which felt very good to me. I must say that as a Dutch girl my height of 1.78 is considered average in Holland and not considered tall.

I prefer a man who's taller and stronger than I am so that if we get into trouble it isn't me who needs to protect my boyfriend.

I found a Thai who is 1.95. He would be considered tall man, even in Holland and the world knows the Dutch are the tallest nation in the world! The problem: he's a single effeminate gay man.

Hahaha, always the way. Went to a gay bar with a good friend of mine and I have to say the place was packed with the most gorgeous Thai guys all in one location. A bit depressing tbh

My husband has a few cousins (or rather sons of cousins) who are quite tall, one who is even about 193. So, they are around, you'd be better off looking in Bangkok or the South for the taller ones tho. The Southern men tend to be larger than the Northern ones.

Looking for a man in the south? Really? Me getting on a plane, bus or train and walking the streets of a southern city, looking in every nook and cranny and lifting up tiles to find a man… that sounds so desperate. I lived in BKK for two years, but I tend to attract more men in Pattaya, but not the right kind of men.

I am sure there must be some decent men in Pattaya, although it has a bit of a money-boy reputation. There are dentists and hospitals full of doctors, right? There must be one of them who’s been divorced or widowed. Where do they hang out in their free time? Pretending to be sick and flirting in hospitals or having healthy teeth capped is not an option for me.

I only tend to see Thai women and "women" walking around with farang men and I have a feeling it’s not really about love. I have never met a well-educated rich Thai woman dating a farang man, especially not a poor one. I also don't see farang women with Thai men.

Is it fair to say that it is practically impossible for a Caucasian woman to find a nice Thai man who is seriously seeking a relationship (despite the fact that the Thais are obsessed with white skin). I often read that Thai men aren’t the best spouses in the world anyway. So girls, how many of you have found real love in Thailand (with short or tall men) and are not supporting your Thai men and their families financially?

In addition, if your husbands' cousins' sons are so tall and still looking for a woman, can you introduce me to them?

I am 1.78 or 5.10. My last boyfriend was 1.65, thus much shorter, but he compensated that with his perfect body and face. He is a football player.

My previous bf was actually a Chinese of 1.85, which felt very good to me. I must say that as a Dutch girl my height of 1.78 is considered average in Holland and not considered tall.

I prefer a man who's taller and stronger than I am so that if we get into trouble it isn't me who needs to protect my boyfriend.

I found a Thai who is 1.95. He would be considered tall man, even in Holland and the world knows the Dutch are the tallest nation in the world! The problem: he's a single effeminate gay man.

The moment I arrived in Thailand I adopted a short Thai name. Ever since everybody calls me Khun "Thai name". If people don't know my name, when I visit a shop, people may refer to me among each other as Farang, which is acceptable, I think.

So, get yourself a name Thai people recognise and wouldn't make fun of.

Okay, now obviously these people had to pay for the party and it happened in a hotel room which is not private property.

So I am curious to know if it is illegal if I invite 13 male Thai friends between the age of 20 and 36 who all have office jobs or work as surgeons in hospitals to my private home, get all naked and have hot nasty dirty sex with each other, using condoms and viagra. If the police knocks on the door because the neighbours complain about loud music i.e. and they encounter 13 naked boys and one girl, would I get arrested?

Is it illegal to have a strap-on penis in my private residence and other sex toys?

Tulipgirl.

You missed the point!

The charges were made because the couple were apparently doing this on a commerical basis and advertising extensively. This we know is illegal. They have hosted over 100 parties in 3 years.

The participants were only fined 1000 baht and released.

Me missing the point? I never miss the point. That is why I manage to get 13 dancing naked boys in my palacial mansion without paying for it. Regarding the strap-on penis, it is 7 inches long, made in Korea, and it fits into Thai boys very well.

To my husband: honey, I am not coming home. I am already at home! You were on your so called business trip when I had the 13 hot nasty sexy dancing boys coming to our house for free. But I did manage to buy some milk.

Okay, now obviously these people had to pay for the party and it happened in a hotel room which is not private property.

So I am curious to know if it is illegal if I invite 13 male Thai friends between the age of 20 and 36 who all have office jobs or work as surgeons in hospitals to my private home, get all naked and have hot nasty dirty sex with each other, using condoms and viagra. If the police knocks on the door because the neighbours complain about loud music i.e. and they encounter 13 naked boys and one girl, would I get arrested?

Is it illegal to have a strap-on penis in my private residence and other sex toys?

Tulipgirl.

I wonder what was illegal about what these people were doing. They appeared to be all adults, they used condoms (wonderful), they used viagra which is not an illegal drug, and they were executing their activities not in public but in a room with the door closed (I hope). Can anyone tell me what the charges were? And why were only the men arrested? What did the police do to these poor fellows? Did they put them on a boat and tug them out to sea and had them drift to Indonesia?

I guess now I have to flush all my condoms through the toilet and send my 13 naked dancing boys home and have unprotected sex with my husband who can't get it up without viagra. Poor me.

Tulipgirl.

Cambodia Inter, Soi Boakao, 1.800 baht.

He's increased the price then?

Anyone have a number or can tell me how to catch the Cambodia Inter bus in the am tomorrow (monday )?? Their office is not answering the phone... or someone might have a mobile number for them? Can I just show up at their office in the morning? And what time?

You will have to book it first as their office is not open in the mornings when the bus is leaving. You should go to book it tonight if you need to go tomorrow. You're leaving it a little late. You can call Nisan at 0870069789 if you can't contact him on the office phone.

Can anyone give me office number of Cambodia Inter. I called Nisan to book a seat. He didn't ask for my name and number but said they will pick me up from home at 6.30 for 1800. Is this the way they work?

Thanks... Tulip

Interestlingly, on my first day in Thailand, a little over two years ago now, a motorcy driver asked me: You want motorcy? I turned to him and said in English "Not today," with a Thai smile. I moved on and heard him shouting at me in English: "<deleted>*k you". It made me cry. I had just arrived from India where I lived for many years and I was still wearing my yogini robe and shawl, quite similar to what the Thai nuns wear. Because of that, I was even more stunned.

I wish the police can fine that bloody German neighbour of mine is knocking on the wall every night when I am enjoying a good round of self-cultivation or joint-cultivation.