Watosh12000

Your Visa gives you unlimited entries during the life of the Visa.

Do a border run just before it expires and you get another 90 days giving a total of 15 months.

Apply for the 12 month extension within the last 30 days of any permision to stay.

OK, thanks very much, LiteBeer. Chungao!

And you don`t have any misgivings about the monkey skulls as decorative items????? Perhaps a coupe of nice canvasses of the bear skulls, as opposed to the real thing, wouldn`t dent your concience too much.

NONE WHATSOEVER. I will not be joining in with the slanging of you and your ilk, so go ahead and feel up each other's sweet spots.

By the way. I eat dead chickens too.

I would say the sniffer dogs will have you red-tagged before you ever hit Customs.

Declare them (as obvious fakes) on the declaration form. All animal and plant products have to be clearly detailed. Has been so for decades, no millenia.

If you say nothing on the form, and you are tagged.....

This is good info and good advice. Thanks McGriffith.

All animal products must be declared to US Customs. I doubt they want to see them just to ask you if you had a good holiday.

The tusks may well be elephant bone, I doubt elephant lovers will differentiate.

Those shops in Tachilek sell protected animal bones and skins, you may think that one or two skulls won't make a difference but wild life conservation has to start somewhere.

Thanks Scea. I had been "told" that the ivory was fake by several, and made of similar resins like the fake whales teeth that are sold around the world, but I don't know how to test or what to look for to be sure. That shop in Thachelik had a bear's scull for sale too, that I am sure is on the protected species list. I of course did not buy that. A couple of the same fellows told me that monkeys are not on the protected list and that these skulls are just picked up out in the wild (but who can be sure in any case).

I have misgivings about taking these items, and you seem to support those feelings. I don't need the hassle right now anyway, so I guess I'll just leave them decorating my little computer alcove.

I know that I should know this by now, but in the case of a One Year Non-Immigrant Type “O” Multiple visa, is it good for only 4 entries (or “re-entries”, I don’t which is correct), or is it good for unlimited trips in and out during that year?

Also, this time I plan to apply for a 1 year “Retirement Extension” at the Mae Sai Immigration Office within the last 30 days of its validity period, and knowing the answer to the above question would appear to make a difference for me. For instance, would this last 30 days be the last of the 12 months before the stamped date the visa expires, or would it be the last 30 days of the 4^th three month trip, wherever that might fall?

The time taken for all knowledgeable replies would be appreciated.

Watosh

hello fellow members!

I applied for a visa type O based on volunteering/internship in stockholm,sweden. They refused to give me a multientry claiming

that they only issue single entry.

Now I got my type O single entry but I intend to stay longer than the three months issued, I will work too so i´m gonna get a WP.

Did the embassy do wrong not issuing/refusing to give me a multientry?

What are the chances (not easy to answer, I know) to go back and claim a multi?

How much do this set me back, what am I forced to do with the single instead of the multi?

Thanks for your understanding of me being a novice in this matter.

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I am a USA citizen and get an A-O pension visa annually. in addition i get a multiple entry visa at the same time. If I were you i would appeal their decision.

Would that be a Non-Immigrant "O-A" Visa? If so you can get one for 3 YEARS and multiple entries each year for the price of 2 years ($350 according to the price list on the Thai Embassy site in the U. S.). If I am wrong in this I hope someone will show me.

Thank you to all who responded.

I found that (at least in this area) used Tuk Tuks are very expensive - like 150,000 for a real used up and ratty one. Also, I have had 3 Thai guys looking in Chiang Mai for a golf cart for me and they have not come up with anything close to what I can afford - they say sometimes there is one, but now not.

I will just have to "tuff it out", and I can - I have had worse than this to contend with.

Thanks,

Watosh

I havent got a broken leg or anything but does anyone know where an Old Golf Cart can be purchased.

This is, as I say, what I NEED, and not just for sanook around the village. I hope there is one left for me after the runners get theirs. I am just on the verge of not having to have food brought to me, and need to go get stuff at the talid to cook myself since I cannot yet drive a car and it will be awhile before I can.

If anyone knows of one, I would appreciate some kind-hearted soul emailing me personally about such a second hand golf cart.

Why not buy a 2nd hand Tuk-Tuk , same thing really , you can stick your leg in it , your clubs and your body . Get a muffler for the exhaust so theres no noise .

I would love to do this if it is within my meager budget. However, I understand that one cannot (or will not) be sold to Farangs because of a fear he will use it for hire and take the place of a Thai Tuk Tuk operator. Is this accurate??

I agree with toybits just use crutches. My recovery was about 4 months as well with a really severe spiral fracture of both tib-fib that left my right leg 3/4 inch shorter. It took me years to learn how not to limp.

Thanks but please see my previous reply to such as this.

I broke my leg (Femur) last year in September. By January I was walking without crutches. If you don't use your legs, it will take you much longer to recover. Take a walk when you can. Just avoid slipping. Save your money and use crutches.

I don't know about YOUR break, but mine were multiple breaks in the middle of the femur and a diagonal break across the feloral head just under the hip socket, which break punctured through the skin. I have multiple metal wide and narrow bone-fitting plates, one long metal swing arm plate, the top of which is anchored in the male part of the hip socket - along with many pins, screws and assorted other associated items. PLEASE. I KNOW MY SITUATION AND DO NOT NEED MEDICAL ADVICE. JUST A GOLF CART IS ALL I WISH RESPONDED TO. THANK YOU.

Watosh

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I guess this is a strange reply, but I am desperate. I live near Chiang Rai and my doc says my broken leg will take 1 year to fully recover. An economically priced, used gasoline golf cart would fill the need of my present situation to get around in a small village. I don't know the range or battery life of an electric cart, but one might be alright. I live on a small Social Security check and must watch my bahts carefully.

I hope you or someone has one I can afford, or can refer me to someone.

Thanks,

Watosh

Doc says my broken leg will take 1 year to fully recover. An economically priced, used gasoline golf cart would fill the need of my present situation to get around in a small village. I don't know the range or battery life of an electric cart, but one might be alright. I live on a small Social Security check and must watch my bahts carefully.

I hope someone has one I can afford, or can refer me to someone.

Thanks,

Watosh

Although the article below does not specifically address home protection (it addresses personal protection), I believe it is an excellent thing for the OP or anyone to read when deciding to keep or not to keep a firearm. Otherwise I agree with most posters that for home protection a short 12 gage shotgun such as the Mossberg 500 with a pistol grip kept near the bed (with the magazine full but chamber empty) is the best all-round home protection. I am conflicted in my second choice however. For man or woman it would be the 5 round hammerless Taurus Model 85 revolver in .38 caliber which the article describes below, loaded with +P jacketed hollow point ammo – or a 15 round 9mm Glock (with HP ammo) which fires similar to a revolver but has a safety to contend with. As to other issues such as children’s access, wall penetration, etc., common sense is called for. In life or death situations all are different and there is no way to completely cover all bases or liabilities. It is easier for a man to decide to be an unarmed mouse with family responsibilities, rather than an armed man with the same responsibilities.

* Personal SELF DEFENSE:

...stuff we all should know. (First a few quotes)

* "The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."

...George Washington, First President of the United States

* The 2nd AMENDMENT of the Constitution of the United States:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

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* "The constitutions of most of our states [and of the United States] assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed and that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property, and freedom of press."

…Thomas Jefferson, a Founding Father of the Constitution of the United States of America

Choosing an arm for personal self defense

(A common sense discussion for women as well as men)

Although it is truly one of the most personal decisions a person must make in life, when it comes to self-defense, there is should be no question. When a person comes in fear of his or her life, they will, can, must and certainly should use whatever means are at hand, including, and especially including resistance with deadly force. There are those who go through their whole life never having to face such a situation. Such cannot be depended upon however, especially in this era when so many trivialize human life. Resolving these things in one's mind beforehand is paramount. Failure to act in most such cases, is the loss of one's life, a friend’s or loved one's lives. Forethought and provision should be made to control such situations. Laws of most nations remain clear on this point in spite of the Socialists and their dupe's efforts to change them; People have the lawful right to use deadly force (usually a firearm, but whatever is at hand will do) if they come into fear for their life or that of others.

Proving this to a judge and jury after the fact is not always easy, but the decision to act at such times is crystal clear to rational people. The question is whether one will choose to be "carried by six or tried by twelve", and for most people the six pallbearers can stay home since answering for one's actions is preferable to rotting in one's grave. Even if a man's own life for some reason seems not that valuable to him, the threatened lives of his loved ones or others around him certainly should be. The Good Book (Bible) calls one who will turn his back on his family an infidel (the Koran calls other than Muslims infidels, and to be killed on sight). His fellow man prefers to call this one a coward. In certain quarters of the political spectrum in the U. S. - read Liberal (Socialist) Democrats, their agenda for the disarming the American people in spite of our 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms, calls for them to advocate offering no resistance at all to any such threat or fear, eminent or otherwise. The sheer folly of this is laughable, yet many gullible ring-in-their-nose souls have fallen for this hogwash.

Let us however, move this discussion along, assuming that the rational decision has long since been settled in one's mind, and that the only question remaining is that of choosing beforehand, the best means for self-defense (and family defense, home defense, farm defense, business defense, the defense of others near you, etc.). For the sake of brevity let us also move past other less decisive means of self-defense such as fisticuffs, knives, clubs, Karate, and on and on - straight to the ultimate means of defending one's self and those near and dear to us: Firearms. OK let us use the "G" word, so exercising to the Socialists. GUNS. And for this discussion let us be even more specific; HANDGUNS.

The primary reason for going straight to the crux of the matter is that perpetrators of such acts as murder, armed robbery, car-jacking, rape, kidnapping and the like, since they are basically criminals or either crazy, sexual perverts, cowards or vicious, sadist fanatics, or high on drugs, will have also gone straight to the thing that will allow them to intimidate or do their heinous deeds with the least risk to their own sorry bods.

Now having concluded that we will use deadly force to prevent our deaths or those around us, we must make our choice as to the weapon (a firearm is not a weapon until it is used as such) which we will hopefully have ready at hand in such situations. There are so many choices that to the average person it is bewildering. Many useful, extensive and informative articles have been written by very knowledgeable experts, but it can all be simplified so as to make the initial choices fairly easy, until such time as one's own knowledge, ability and experience comes more positively into play.

First we must keep in mind as to the questions which must be answered before our own individual choice can be made. These can be many, but I feel they can be narrowed down to just these 5 common sense questions:

1. What is the smallest caliber and type of bullet that is adequate for stopping a crazed person high on drugs?

2. Which means of delivery can I best use personally to hit this person? (What gun should I buy?)

3. Where should I carry my handgun? (On you, where and how on you, in the car, where in your car, in your suitcase, briefcase, etc.)

4. How should it be carried? (holster, pocket, purse, type of holster, etc.)

5. When should I carry it ?

These questions could each take many pages to fully and completely cover, and quite frankly, I feel I could write them about as good as anyone. But space doesn't allow, and many people just need to have some good, simple reasoning available to them first off. People can use basic information in the process of choosing what is right for THEM, and this is the way it not only should be, but it MUST be. When one's life is on the line he should have for instance, the firearm that is best for HIM or HER, not which suits some other person or writer the best, even (and maybe especially) one who is intimately familiar with a lot of different firearms.

QUESTION # 1: Novices have little choice but to depend on several things; advice from people in the know, proven statistics, and the general consensus. It behooves all to check these things out in detail for oneself, but here we will try to get some thinking started. This question has generally boiled down to a minimum of a .32 caliber, copper jacketed, hollow-point bullet in a cartridge with at least a "+P" rating (a more powerful powder loading than a standard .32 cartridge). There are pros and cons, but the majority seem to agree that this is the minimum that should be trusted. Of course .38 Special, .45 caliber, 9 millimeter, .357 magnum, .44 magnum, and other such are surely much better, but there are several things you as an individual will need to consider before going higher in caliber and power for your first choice in a self-defense handgun.

QUESTION # 2: Now comes the question as to what sort, or type of firearm, and what caliber should YOU as an individual chose to use. Familiarity with the arm you choose is prerequisite and of great importance, but in choosing it is advisable to try out several - as many different calibers and types of handguns as possible. And here is the place to not only try them out, but especially try different sizes of firearms, under qualified supervision. These are basically; a) single-shot firearms (not advisable), revolvers (highly advisable), and c) semi-automatic pistols (questionable for novices especially, except for the Glock), and in different sizes/capacities as possible. Remember that we are discussing self-defense here, as opposed to plinking and pleasure shooting. Shooting ranges have a selection of arms which can be tried for a nominal price, and Gun Clubs have as many as have the members, with great fellowship to be had as well. Your friends into the shooting sports are an excellent choice to seek help and advice (and to try out their stuff!). National Rifle Association instructors, Gun Club instructors, and personnel at shooting ranges are excellent sources of help, advice and support, and all offer good fun as well.

If recoil bothers you (it does many women and even some men), this can be a factor in your choice, and it is one reason why several firearms and calibers should be tried out. The venerable .22 caliber has almost no recoil, and neither has the .25 caliber. But unless the bullet is precisely placed they will do little but make your assailant mad. Consider starting with the .32 caliber +P and working up to the largest caliber you are comfortable with. Don't settle on anything yet though, there are other things to be considered.

Once you have some calibers in mind, carefully consider the impressions you had as you tried out various types. Were you more comfortable with the revolver, or do you think that with practice you could handle the complexity of semi-automatics in a stressful situation? The answer is usually the revolver, even with considerable practice. Others are fun and you should buy one for plinking if you want, but the respected consensus choice for a first handgun for self-defense is the revolver. It is my choice personally, even though I am very familiar and comfortable with semi-automatics. I want to be SURE of the thing, should I come in fear of my life and have to bring it into action quickly under that pressure! Even many law-enforcement officers insist on the revolver for this reason, and they are required to practice and be familiar with both types usually.

With the semi-automatic pistol, several questions must be readily in mind all at once when a confrontation occurs - depending on which make and model you have; i.e., is there a cartridge in the chamber or do I need to rack the action back and let it fly home to load a cartridge from the magazine? Is the pistol's chamber loaded and it cocked and locked with the safety on? ...or not (if so the safety must first be disengaged). Is the chamber loaded so that all I need to do is move the safety to the fire position? In either case do I move the safety up, ...or do I move it down? All the while I must remember to keep my finger out of the trigger guard and away from the trigger because just a touch in the case of a cocked semi-automatic and it will fire. Do you begin to see the problem?

Let us then, for the sake of this discussion, settle on the trusty, time-tested and proven revolver. It is inherently safer than a semi-automatic in that its trigger is harder to pull, has a longer travel before the hammer will fall, and one must be deliberate and positive in pulling the trigger back far enough for the thing to fire. Indeed, I once told my wife that I love her too much to let her carry anything but a revolver.

Now if you agree with this line of reasoning so far, and you have indeed settled on a revolver as the type that would best suit YOU, let us see if a choice of caliber can be made which is also most suitable to YOU, since YOU are the one who will be using it to defend YOUR life. Here it must be stressed that you must practice with the arm you will carry, especially initially, until it is comfortable for you to shoot; until you are used to whatever recoil the caliber you have chosen gives you, until you are used to the trigger pull, until you can hit a man-sized target at 30 feet at least 5 out of 6 times, and until you can eject the empties and reload in a reasonable time. Perhaps it is a good thing to know that the average confrontation seldom involves more that 3 or 4 shots according to police statistics - but don't count on it. Have a speed-loader in your purse or pocket with an additional loading. Again, in the stress of the moment, cold naked fear and excitement can take hold and confuse a person as to just how the firearm operates and performs, of what condition of readiness it is in, and here is where practice and familiarity are the only sure and reliable things that will overcome all that.

Here it might be helpful to let you know what my personal choice in a handgun for personal defense happens to be. Not that it would be YOUR best choice. Only YOU can decide that. When it comes to personal self-defense I am a wheel-gun man exclusively. I prefer a hammerless .38 Special caliber snub-nosed revolver with +P cartridges and jacketed hollow-point bullets. It is the personal choice of my wife as well, and for all the reasons mentioned above. The maker happens to be Taurus, Model 85, an excellent quality revolver with a lifetime guarantee and a smooth trigger pull, and for only a 2 inch barrel it is surprisingly accurate out to a considerable distance. We prefer the hammerless "snubbie" for reasons of better concealment and being less prone to snagging when bringing it out and into action. Actually I prefer the same configuration in a Colt Detective Special just a tad over the Taurus because of its glass-smooth trigger pull, but for the cost difference there is no question to me that the Taurus is the better choice for the two of US.

QUESTION # 3: Where should your revolver be carried? One person cannot answer this question for another. This of course could be in one's own home for one reason or another, for instance if there is word of a dangerous escaped felon in your area. But we will assume in this discussion that you must carry it while you are away from home for some compelling reason or other. The way I look at it is whether or not I have to go into or through a dangerous place or situation where there is a high likelihood that my life might be at risk. These places are to be avoided if at all possible, but if you feel you cannot avoid such, and must face it through, then this may be the place and time you should go armed. But let us be realistic. For the average person such situations probably do not arise except for say for instance, once in 5 years, or say when on a driving vacation. For me it is very seldom. One should never get into the mindset that going armed all the time or most of the time or even very often is the thing to do, unless for specific reasons and/or circumstances. It is just that for those occasions when common sense and reason dictate that to carry your revolver is required, one must be ready - and this takes thought, effort and preparation beforehand.

QUESTION #4: How should your revolver be carried? For purposes of this discussion let us assume you feel you must have it on your person as opposed to in your car, (or on your nightstand, near your front and back doors, hidden in your barn, garage, etc). You have already decided:

(a) that you will carry it on this occasion whatever that might be, to wherever that might be, and for whatever reason. (There are certain places and areas I would never be without one should I feel or be required to go there).

( Then next, you must decide whether you will carry it openly or concealed. Local and/or national law may determine this decision for you, as may the circumstances of the situation you will be going into in any case. Here again, your call.

© If you will carry concealed you must decide just how deeply you should conceal it considering the necessity and time it might take you to draw it and fire accurately. For quick accessibility the side or cross-draw belt holster covered by a buttoned coat or long shirt worn outside might be in order. Or even a shoulder holster. Only YOU can decide. For deeper concealment the Galco S.O.B (small of the back) holster is an excellent choice. It must be selected form-fitted to the specific revolver you have chosen, and these things make it an expensive way to go - but heck, what does that matter when your life may depend on the right choice? Then there are those preferences and circumstances which lend themselves to ankle holsters or boot holsters under the pants leg.

(d) But for deep concealment the best in my opinion is the "belly-band" holster. This is simply an inexpensive, wide, black (or tan, or white) band of doubled elastic nylon with a place sown in to insert and secure the revolver between the two bands, and it is "buckled" by Velcro. Such a holster is usually worn under your shirt and pants, but over your shorts (or panties). I adjust mine so that the handle is just behind my belt buckle and do not button my shirt below that point. Because I have become rather pudgy in these later years, it never shows in the least and is absolutely invisible as long as one is not constantly feeling of it and adjusting it. This is a dead giveaway to anyone with an eye for it, no matter how or where it is concealed on you, and one must understand that carrying a handgun however way you will do it, takes considerable getting used to in order to avoid such an obvious thing.

For the ladies, there are a whole host of handbags on the market now, at the top of the fashion and as cheap or expensive as you can stand, which are specifically designed for concealed carry purposes. Women law-enforcement officers use them, women judges, payroll clerks, as well as knowledgeable women who carry with (or without) carry permits. You can find these nice handbags not only at gun and fashion shows, but at the major department stores as well, but you usually have to ask for them unless you know what you are looking for. Another place to find them is at gun stores and law-enforcement supply stores. Don't be bashful, just go right in, bolly right on up and ask to look at them. They will be happy to sell you one, no questions asked.

This is not to imply that there are not other ways and places women can carry concealed. Many prefer the S.O.B (small of the back) type holster with a loose jacket or other such worn over it. And there are other places for even deeper concealment - but we will leave that to the ladies, many who utilize the ankle holster when slacks are worn, or considerably higher up in the case of a dress or skirt.

Once during all the car-jacking that was going on in the U. S state of Florida a few years back, I wore my revolver the whole two weeks when I took my family there on vacation and not one of my family ever noticed it or suspected I had it on me the whole time night and day (except that when I went to bed I put it under my pillow). When we got back home and I showed it to them they were absolutely astounded, because I had worn it even when I went wading in the ocean with my grandchildren. It went everywhere me and the family went; in restaurants, on amusement park rides, at the beach, in the stores, everywhere. And to top it off, my son refused to believe I had it on me, and when I insisted he shake me down and try to find it, he could not find it! His eyes got big as saucers when I deftly pulled it out to prove it was on me. But you must understand this; if you have a handgun on you, law-enforcement officers will surely find it if they have probable cause to shake you down. They are trained to do so. Best to tell them first off, keep your hands where they can see them, and follow their directions.

It might also be interesting to note here that, although I did not have one at the time, the State of Florida will now issue a Florida carry license by mail to anyone who has a valid carry license in any other state of your home residence (those tourism dollars call the tune don't they?). This very fact and the fact that they passed a very sensible carry license law was what stopped all that car-jacking in Florida during the Klinton years (I never did learn how to spell Slick Willie's name), and why gun related crimes have dropped over 40%.

I might note here as well, that if you have a handgun on you and are asked to get out of the car if you are pulled over for a traffic infraction or other reason, the best procedure is for you to keep your hands on the top of the steering wheel, and if he asks you to get out of the car, do it but advise the officer that you are carrying first off. It is considered advisable to say something like: "I have a firearm on me under my coat and I have a license to carry it." This will tend to build confidence in you and help allay a tense situation which could develop should the officer discover it himself and get excited that you did not mention it. Keep in mind too, that after he routinely calls in your license number his dispatcher will probably tell him that records show that you have been issued a carry permit, possibly making the officer tense before he even returns to you. Any sudden or unexpected moves on your part at that point just might make a poorly trained or inexperienced officer react precipitously. Always keep your hands in sight and not in your pockets, like high on the steering wheel or out at your side, and don't make quick or sudden moves.

QUESTION # 5: When should you carry your handgun? This is many times governed by where it should be carried as discussed earlier. But if the question is simply when should one go armed, this is easy for me to answer. I don't know. Only YOU can (and must) answer this. I let common sense be my guide. First off, as stated before, I just don't go into dangerous or suspect places or situations unless for some compelling reason I feel I must do it. Then there is no hesitation; I go a-packin'. The question as that Detective friend of mine put it to me is always, "do you want to be carried by 6, or tried by 12?" I know what MY answer is, but I cannot answer for YOU!

Perhaps, for citizens of the U. S., there should be a 6th question. Should you get a carry license? There are some who feel they will never need to carry, and will not get one until some situation comes up making them deeply wish they had one after all. And too, there are many who have the conviction, based on the 2nd Amendment of our U. S. Constitution, that no American citizen can or should be required to have any license at all for his firearms - the 2nd Amendment being license enough as it was for 200+ years of our history until lately when the Socialist Democrat Gun Grabbers reared up. These feel it is an insult to them and to our Founding Fathers to even suggest such a thing. One can stand on principle and on the side of the right and of the Constitution, and it is not in me to criticize it. Again, your call. But one must also face the reality that the Liberal (Socialist) Democrats have succeeded in passing legislation requiring carry licenses in many areas (and many other onerous laws contrary to our Constitution) which would require us to be millionaires to fight in court for our rights under the Constitution. So here again, this question is a very personal one, another question that only YOU can answer. I personally feel that if a carry license is available one should get one, whether you ever intend to carry or not. If it is not available in your state you should do as I did in my state, work hard with others to get one passed. And if you do a lot of traveling, get one in those states you travel to and through if available, unless they have reciprocity with your home state. We are after all, a law-abiding citizenry (except for the perp scumbags who don't obey the law and will never give up their guns anyway).

In the meantime, get out to the range (or the back pasture) and get in some pleasure shooting (practice for me is pleasure!). The tin cans are waiting.

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