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I was just trying to work out how many ways I inform immigration of my address.
1) application for permission to stay based on retirement
2) every 90 days when I do the 90 day report.
3) when I re-new my permission to stay based on retirement each year
4) when I return to Thailand after a 1 mth visit to Australia ----arrivals card handed in at swampy.
5) when I obtain a certificate of residence from Imm ( for drivers license - 500B)....actually I just confirm that my address is still the same
6) when I returned from Aust in early Oct 2015 , I took the thai GF to immigration for her to complete the tm30 ( as houseowner where I live).
Was told ( udon Thani office) it was not needed as my address had not changed from what they had on file.
You can only hope and pray that Immigration does not start to insist on all aliens using the TM28. If you do not know the TM28, it requires that you register your new address every time you change locations, and that you do so within 24 hours. Going to Pattaya for the weekend ? You need to submit a TM28 in Pattaya, and another one when you return home. Hopefully they will never do so.
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Please don't take my word for this but this how I understand the yellow house registration works. The same as the green one for Thais. Everyone has to be registered somewhere but it isn't necessarily the place where you actually live. As long as there is a connection to you and the owner of the registered place then that is suffice. In my case I am registered at the house of my mother in law's place 25 km from where we actually live. My TM30 (has been yearly so far), 90 day report and yearly extension all require the the actual living address but the yearly extension also requires the yellow book. So in theory one could be registered in the North but actually live in South. Thais for example, might work in BKK but live in Chiang Mai. If the Amphur where you live doesn't issue the yellow (foreigners registration) book then you will need to go to the main county office. However, please bear in mind that whatever address you decide to be registered the owner of that registered residence has to be present too and present ID card and their Green registration book.
I would normally not comment on your post. but your information is so bad and misleading that I merely say to others to please do not follow this advice.
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Not sure they are being asked for nationwide yet.
1. PDF http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/download/pdf/tm30.pdf MS word doc. http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/download/tm30.doc Print pages separately.
2. You wife will complete the form reporting you as you living in her house. You will be shown on page 2. Attach a signed copies of her house book and ID card to it.
3. Same everywhere but Phuket as far as I know.
4. I think they have an office for submitting them at CM.
I'm attending a Chiang Mai Expat Club meeting on Friday. I'll ask around to see if anyone knows for sure where to submit the TM30 here in CM. I'll update this post with what I find out for other members.
Thanks as always!
My wife recently (October) filed a new TM30 for me at Chiang Mai, since our Post Office changed our Address.. On the phone, they directed us to the old (airport) office. The front counter there directed us to another office at the rear of the Immigration complex, past the copy shop.
Incidentally, when I did my Retirement Extension with an online appointment at the end of October, the young gal outside who was checking documents, insisted on my presenting my yellow Tabien Baan. I replied that our Amphur (Ban Hong) did not issue them. Her attitude was that this was my problem tp solve. My wife, who was with me, ended up in a rather heated discussion with her in Thai. The result was copies of my Drivers Licence, Tabien Baan (wife's), wife's ID and Drivers Licence -- all signed and attached to my application for Retirement extension. The TM30 was never mentioned. Chaos !
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I they wanted a pic for when my 90 day reports are done it would be of my wife because she does them for me.
How are the agents getting around this picture requirement ? When I did my last Retirement Extension last month, at Chiang Mai, there was an agent in front of me with three extensions .
Do they just somehow use the digital image already on file.
...or do they somehow arrange for the picture to be done at passport pick-up time, with the alien doing the pick-up ?
Some offices require the applicant to be present at immigration even if using an agent to at least get the photo taken.
It would seem to be a rather large security gap in the system, given the incidents in Bangkok and world wide during the past year. Presumably the online photo process was added to tighten security, and ........the extension application does say that application must be made "in person"..
My health is quite poor, and I have been considering using the medical process next year for my extension, since I can not physically wait in line for several hours. However, the medical application is so complicated with affidavit, doctor letter. photos, etc -- does this mean I can use the normal extension application, and just give it to an agent?
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I they wanted a pic for when my 90 day reports are done it would be of my wife because she does them for me.
How are the agents getting around this picture requirement ? When I did my last Retirement Extension last month, at Chiang Mai, there was an agent in front of me with three extensions .
Do they just somehow use the digital image already on file.
...or do they somehow arrange for the picture to be done at passport pick-up time, with the alien doing the pick-up ?
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Yes, the apartment owner needs to get a copy of your passport's main page and the page with latest arrival stamps plus a copy of your arrival card. In accordance with Immigration Act B.E. 2522, Section 38, he, like any house master, must report any 'alian' staying in apartment.
And yes, you are oblige to report your new address, even if it is a temporary one, within 24 hours after arrival from abroard, or within 48 hours if moved inside Thailand. This obligation is also stipulated inte Immigration Act, Section 37 (3) or Section 37 (4) respectively.
You are actually writing about two different situations. You first paragraph refers to filing TM30, which is often enforced but without any consistency.
You second paragraph refers to filing form TM28, which is entirely the responsibility of the alien, This regulation insists that the alien report his location within 24 hours of going anywhere, either to immigration or the local police. In my years here, I have oohly once been asked for a TM28 - that in Chiang Mai. Thank goodness they do not enforce this reg as they do in Russia; I lived and worked in Russia for some time, and there, the first thing you do after arriving in a new place is go and stand in line at the police station, to report yourself. It brings a whole new meaning to 'going away for the weekend', when you need to include 2 police reports.
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When you make such an application, you need to have the same mindset as the ECO. I will never be stated in the reasons for refusal, but here is what they think. Any application from a single Thai woman to go on a vacation to be with her boyfriend ( or even husband) who lives ( and works) in Britain ,is regarded by the ECO as a de facto immigration application. This is based on their experience of thousands of "tourists" who arrive for a visit and never go home. When you submit the application, you must do everything to prove to a highly suspicious ECO that she will return to Thailand as scheduled.
This is based on anecdotal evidence from dozens who have been refused, as well as three failed applications by my wife, one of which was before marriage. We since have 2 successful applications, The last of the refused applications was with her self employed in a successful business (well documented), 6 figure balance in the bank, new car ownership, property ownership, an official of her Moo Baan ( large village) and an elderly mother to care for. This was still not enough to prove that she would return to Thailand. The turning point ( told to me by an ECO in confidence) was proof that I also lived in Thailand, and she wanted to come back to me.
Be patient - someday you will be successful.
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Foreigners that own and live in their own condo are responsible for complying with section 38 and submitting the form themselves.
Let's be more precise.
- I own my condo
- I live here on a Extension based on Retirement
- I am the only "alien" in my condo
Do I have to fill a TM.30 for myself ?
(from http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/en/doc/Immigration_Act.pdf , Retirement is not in the Section #34 list)
Retirement falls under the other category. That is why you start out with a non-o visa. The O means other.
Immigration want you to report yourself. I don't particularly agree with it but that is their decision.
Surely if you report yourself, you would use a TM 28 and not a TM 30. I had this discussion more than a year ago with an official in an office in one if the back buildings at CM Immigration. We were sent to him because those at the main office did not know what to do with my TM30. He insisted that I fill out a TM 28 and stapled the receipt for that in the back of my passport. He tore up the TM 30 and threw it away.
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In Chiang Mai in on-line appointment queue has been stopped, but previously booked appointments are being honored, even if you don't have a confirmation printout. Go to the new office at Promenada for retirement extensions and the old one near the Airport for marriage extensions. Tell the I/O you're there a couple minutes before the time of your appointment.
On-line 90 day reporting seems to be hit-and-miss for Chiang Mai and no one seems to know quite why. It worked OK for Hubby, but not for me.
There was one report of someone being told that 90 day reporting by mail has been stopped in Chiang Mai, but that's it -- just one isolated report. It would make no sense to stop mail-in 90 day reporting -- it has been working so well. But little that Chiang Mai Immigration has been doing lately makes any sense at all.
Meanwhile, I'd suggest that Chiang Mai residents still mail-in their 90 day reports. Detailed instructions can be found in a pinned topic at the top of the Chiang Mai forum.
I've heard several reports of them pulling aside people who come in person to file 90 day reports to question them about the lack of TM 30 on file. Or doing home visits if the owner of the dwelling where they reside (like their wife) didn't file a TM 30. This is a one-time filing that until recently Immigration didn't seem to care about. They came to our condo building and talked with the Juristic Person Mgr about how some of the foreign renters didn't have TM30s on file and there are reports of home visits in Chiang Mai to people on retirement visas where this question has come up.
I presume from this that you are referring to all of those within the Chiang Mai Immigration catchment area, Including us in Lamphun and Lampang ? - or have I missed something els ? -- Bolding is mine
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I thought that the junta was about to pass a law making begging illegal. I wonder where the legitimately disadvantaged and needy will then go ?
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"...NRC 'can call for changes to charter'..."
But will anyone listen. So far this government has done an incredibly good job of not listening to anyone.
"CDC spokesman Kamnoon Sidhisamarn voiced support for the idea that reformers can propose to alter principles of the charter, but said whether such arguments would lead to the amendment of articles or not also depended on what the 36 charter drafters decide."
In other words, it does not matter what NRC says, the CDC will do what it wants to do. So why do they bother ?
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Well, if he is directly elected, he is not a Prime Minister, since A PM is the leading Minister of a group of representatives elected by the people. I would presume that he would now be called the President . ...and what, pray tell would be the mechanism, to ensure that the President can form a working government from within the area/party representatives who are elected or appointed.
Perhaps it is the purpose of this system to be dysfunctional, with a President and representatives who can not work together, rather like the USA. Smart plan by the General.
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I find it truly sad that the present government continues to push to pass legislation, about which they seem to know very little or care very little. Perhaps neither of these are of concern to them, and they are merely seeking the visual effect of appearing to be doing something - and of course, it doesn't hurt if that action is 'populist' in that it delivers money to the masses.
The true problems in medicine in Thailand are many and they have similarities with other areas of concern. It is a two-tiered system with the upper tier vastly too wealthy, and the lower tier vastly under funded. Corruption is everywhere, particularly in government funded purchases of pharmaceuticals and equipment, There are no uniform standards of almost anything. Some medical school graduates are superb, while some others from lesser schools are not qualified to be paramedics.
In roughly a 60 KM radius of our home there are 9 'doctors" of whom I am aware, not including myself or those who work at government hospitals - they all see patients daily. Of those 9 -- 1 was barred from medical practice 20 years ago, 2 did not complete medical school, 1 never went to university ( his wife also 'sees' patients), 1 is a veterinarian and only one is actually competent.
There's lots to repair in the medical world - everyone knows the problems. Expediting payment on malpractice accusations seems a strange place to start.
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Point 1: that's the spokesman's view, I would need to read the bill itself to know if he is putting a PR spin on it or not. But yes if that's the case the bill needs refining to allow for defending what they did, as he calls for later on in the OP. However the point I am making is that they must be held fully responsible if they have made a mistake.
Point 2: the doctors can recommend the things you mention, how long it takes them to happen is not within their power to decide. That is down to the govt investing in the infrastructure required. It is not linked to incompetence if it is beyond the doctors power to provide them in the timeframe they would prefer.
Regarding your Point 1 - yes, go ahead and read the draft bill. Unfortunately, the bill does start by presuming the guilt of the medical profession in order to expedite payment to the patient. It allows only for a cursory look at the case by a committee of unknown expertise. The decision is final and binding, with no allowance for response by experts or the medical professionals involved. This leaves the patient with his money (up to 400,000 Baht) and leaves the doctor with a "guilty as charged" on his record, allowing the patient to pursue him/her through the courts.
This is all being done purely to speed up the process. The present process works well but takes far too long.
With ASEAN on the horizon, this bill on the books, will cause many of the better doctors to pack up and go to Singapore or other.
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Passenger Lixue Ku, 47, told Daily Mail people were screaming and crying as they feared the plane would break apart in the sky or crash.
"I kept thinking about that plane crash in France, and I was convinced we were going to go the same way, but then the plane evened out," he said. "Everyone was in shock, even the staff."
Who do you believe, the airline or this passenger? I believe the passenger.
That would be one of my worst nightmares - being trapped in a confined space with a group of hysterical Chinese. .
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A sort of bonus for flying that airline, a free side trip ?
Decades ago i flew Garuda from Jakarta to Denpasar and en route the pilot announced if passengers looked out the port windows we would see the crater of a dormant volcano. He then announced that since we had time in hand he would give us a closer look so he lost altitude and circled the volcano before returning to the original, and proper, flight path.
Some of the looks on faces were priceless and I wonder what those looks would be like nowadays with all that's happening in the airline industry.
I took his word for the fact the volcano was dormant and just hoped it was.
Nice.....But Garuda....I fly with them twice and the airplane looked like it was still the same you used decades before........
Heavy "Diesel" (whatever it was) smell inside. Really very strong.
Very strong vibrations from the engines.
aircon filled the room with fog, that much that you can't see much anymore.
uniforms from the stewardess looked like it was second hand bought from East Germany.
Everyone got a little water only.
Inside it looked very old
Most probably the airplane was fit, but these things let it appear different.
You were probably smelling what Americans call kerosene and a refining of it called Jet A. It's just about one step above diesel when cracking a barrel of oil. It is standard jet fuel and quite smelly.
yes.....But the smell was like they spilled a liter inside the cabin (my nose isn't sensitive, I smell things long after other people)....I guess they spilled a bit outside and in the Indonesian heat it evaporates faster. But still it makes the passenger afraid.....Some looked uncomfortable.........
Maybe moving the machine 10 meter and put a fan inside for 5 min would have fixed it (machine wasn't cool inside anyway).
It was much less likely to be fuel, than lubricant leakage from an engine. Pressurized air is supplied to the cabin from a compressor stage of the engines; if the oil seals are old/worn then oil seeps onto the cabin air system, where it is vaporized into the cabin air. On occasion, on start-up, there is enough oil to cause the air conditioner packs to create a fog throughout the cabin and flight deck. It is much less of a problem now than it was, since it has become very much a known problem'
If you want to know more, Google 'Aerotoxic Syndrome'
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It wasn't a Oriant Thai plane though, was it??I was on 737 old series once and one engine had to be shut down for some technical reason. No sudden drop, nosebleeds etc. Just a fairly normal landing at nearest airport where emergency crews were on standby.
Nope but this 737 was so old had wooden fold up trays lol
Was that Air India Regional ? They have a number of 737's in service that are 35 years old. There are probably older 737 airframes somewhere, but anything over 25 years is beyond scary.
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Now what could have caused a sudden change in cabin pressure? Faulty door seal? Maintainence issue?
Was ICAO correct?
Several things can cause this but based on sketchy reports it was the system from an engine to the cabin which has several parts and functions. This wasn't catastrophic decompression and I doubt it had to do with seals etc.
There is what they call an air bleed from an engine which provides the air. That air is then filtered, dehumidified if needed and temperature adjusted. Remember it is way below freezing up there.
I don't know a thing about working on those parts between the engine and the cabin so I'll tell you what I've always been taught. The air bleed from the engine is just a supply and after the air is processed as listed above there is still a pump to pump it into the cabin and create the final pressure. There are also controlled outlets for circulation to keep the air fresh and supplied with new air and oxygen.
On some planes what they call the air bleed could also have the pump and push the air through everything after pressurizing it. I don't even know which system is most common but it could be that the pump driven by and at the engine is common.
If I'm wrong about any of that someone will correct me, but basically that's how it works and I believe something failed in that system.
There are many, many places that cabin pressurization can fail in a passenger aircraft, and this creates an alarm on the flight deck, that cabin altitude is too high ( above 10,000 to 12,000 feet). It's not an uncommon event, unless the depressurization is sudden. Standard procedure is to quickly, but not dangerously proceed to 10,000 feet or lower, and then land at the closest suitable airport. All modern passenger jets ( and turboprops ) use bleed air to supply the cabin air, except the Boeing 787 Dreamliner.
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"Thai authorities have set up two new committees to tackle the concerns and will send teams to South Korea, China, Australia and Germany to discuss the issues following a trip to Japan late last week, Prajin added"
I am sure they will learn a lot of stuff during those trips.....NOOOT!. why not just learn pasa ankrit and study the @#$%@#$ manuals.
One of the central issues is that Thailand opted not to attend the last sessions of ICAO training. These sessions are required to update and certify the personnel from each country, who then pass their expertise along to those within the country, such as airlines. However, Thai personnel continue to pass themselves off as ICAO certified, which they are not.
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there is a bigger picture here and most don't see it yet
dont think the obvious
as this is all mis direction away from the bigger picture
Many see the bigger picture. However, we are not allowed to talk about it.
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There is just something wrong with that project. It doesn't sit well with me at all and shouldn't happen. Having been born in the last days of WWII, that history is burned into my mind. I read more of the Japan War than the German, I guess a natural instinct for the East. It sounds rather strange that today the US Marine Corps is teaching the Japanese how to invade and conquer islands. Times have changed. Rather than letting China get an even bigger slice of Thailand it should be the Japanese building the route to Nong Khai. Japan can build a railroad, Germany can build a railroad, anything China does is suspect to the core, both product and motive. The number of Southeast Asian workers recruited or impressed to work on the Burma railway has been estimated to have been upwards of 180,000 of whom as many as one-half may have died. In the initial stages of the construction of the railway, Burmese and Thai were employed in their respective countries, but Thai workers, in particular, were likely to abscond from the project and the number of Burmese workers recruited was insufficient. The Burmese had welcomed the invasion by Japan to end British rule and cooperated with Japan in recruiting workers.[10] In early 1943, the Japanese advertised for workers in Malaya, Singapore, and the Dutch East Indies, promising good wages, short contracts, and housing for families. When that failed to attract sufficient workers, they resorted to more coercive methods, rounding up workers and impressing them, especially in Malaya. Most of the romusha working on the railway were probably coerced, rather than being volunteers. Approximately 90,000 Burmese and 75,000 Malayans worked on the railroad. Other nationalities and ethnic groups working on the railway were Tamil, Chinese, Karen, Javanese, and Singaporean Chinese.[11] Working conditions for the romusha were deadly. A British doctor said: "The conditions in the coolie [romusha] camps down river are terrible...They are kept isolated from Japanese and British camps. They have no latrines. Special British prisoner parties...bury about 20 coolies a day. These coolies have been brought from Malaya under false pretences ' easy work, good pay, good houses!' Some have even brought wives and children. Now they find themselves dumped in these charnel houses, driven and brutally knocked about by the Jap and Korean guards, unable to buy extra food, bewildered, sick, frightened. Yet many of them have shown extraordinary kindness to sick British prisoners passing down the river, giving them sugar and helping them into the railway trucks>"[12] I have read an estimated 10,000 Thais died on the project. There are no exact figures on how many SE Asians died.
Extensive quoting of Wikipedia should be given credit. Mods can decide how this fits with 'fair use' policy.
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Did the planes engines run out of avgas?
The aircraft seemed to be under power ( albeit reduced) all the way from FL380 until it hit the mountain.
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Let's stay on topic please. It is normal to speculate and to try and figure out what caused this (and any other tragedy).
Most concerning issue too Scott. What if there is some fault with the A320....something new or something that develops with age. Very concerning indeed as its one of the workhorses of the sky, thousands, tens of thousand of people fly on them every day.
We'll still have to wait and see. I agree that our speculation, when coming from an informed background , is interesting, but in the end, it will be up to BEA and Airbus to sort this out - hopefully transparently.
Interesting that you say "develops with age". D-AIPX was an old gal at 24 years and 3 months - she was the 147th A320 ever built, and had well in excess of 47,000 cycles ( take-offs/landings) against an expected life of 48,000 cycles. That said, LH/Germanwings take extremely good care of their aircraft, and they have several A320's which are older.
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Today's culprit for smog production is the mountain corn growers. So far blame has been cast on the people of Myanmar, the Laotians, the hill tribes, the wild mushroom gatherers, those who demand fresh produce, the uneducated poor and heavens knows who else. I'm sure that I have missed several. The truth is that the annual smog is somewhat of a natural phenomenon, caused by a combination of topography and weather, exacerbated by all of the things/people that have been blamed.
The one area that is getting no attention is the complete lack of emission standards on Thai vehicles both new and old. Frequently I drive from south of Lamphun into Chiang Mai, and always the visibility decreases as I drive north. The change is most dramatic at this time of year, but even on a hot, dry day at other times of the year, it is the same. Why would smoke from farms make the visibility drastically decrease as you get closer to a city ?
It sure would be unpopular to implement some emission standards in Thaiiand, given how much pollution pours out of all the diesels and mopeds. The government doesn't want to talk about it.
Recently, I heard a rather proud announcement that the average PM2.5 reading (the really deadly stuff) for the year for Chiang Mai was ONLY 38. They completely ignored the fact that in many countries the legislated daily maximum is 25.
TM30s and Visa Extensions Nation-wide
in Thai Visas, Residency, and Work Permits
Posted · Edited by tigermonkey
OK - Why ? Firstly, the "green one for Thais" is a motorcycle registration and not a Tabien Baan blue book. "it isn't necessarily the place where you actually live" is not true -- the TM30 filed on your behalf and your yellow Tabien Baan must match, and must be your current residence.
"in theory one could be registered in the North but actually live in South" - how can you say this ? - registered in say Chiang Rai and living in Krabi ? Where does your TM30 say you live ? Where do you do your annual Extension and 90 day reports - must be the same office?
Then you say " Thais for example, might work in BKK but live in Chiang Mai" This applies only to blue book Tabien Baan and Thai nationals - not alien registration via a yellow book.
You continue to say that if the Amphur where you live does not issue yellow books, to go to the "main county office". I am not sure what the "county" is but I presume you mean Amphur. It is unlikely that the Amphur will issue a yellow book merely because you rename it "main county office" .
It is not for the alien to decide "whatever address you decide to be registered " it must be your actual address !
Finally, yes when you attempt to get a yellow book, you must have the owner of the residence with you, together with their Tabien Baan ( blue not green book), proof of their being owner/prime tenant and evidence that you indeed live there.