Methane

_{Some facts about the Uzi, It is a Submachine Gun, Sometime referred to as a machine pistol. The similarity with a hand gun, (sometimes called a pistol) ends in the name ‘pistol’}

_{When the trigger is operated on the Uzi it will discharge, and keep discharging rounds so long as the trigger is held in or the magazine is empty………..It’s utilizes a system known as ‘blow-back’ and using a ‘fixed firing pin’ this give a high rate of fire…..600 rpm…Practical rate…..Up to about 120 rpm.}

_{Having said all this………..Did someone say something about flying pigs?}

As it was quoted somewhere it was a semi auto l assumed conventional operation. If not conventional then <deleted> is this numnut doing fiddling with it in a restaurant. Needs admission to a nut house, not be part of governing LOS.

There are 2 distinct UZI mechanisms. The first is like most other sub-machine guns, the bolt being held to the rear until the trigger is pulled. With this type only a misfired round can be in the chamber as the gun uses a fixed firing pin. Strip-chamber-fire-recoil.

The "pistol- police-civilian" version has a closed bolt mechanism, so on cocking a round is chambered and the hammer held to the rear. In essence more like an (semi) automatic pistol. In this case a live round can be in the chamber ready to go. This version is semi auto only.

Does this "accident" surprise me, frankly no. Many moons ago I had access to the UK armed forces monthly "ammunition incidents" report. this covered incidents from mini flare pistols right up to the really big bangers. It was chilling reading. The unload drill for the rifle of the time involved operating the mechanism 3 times, I was once asked why. My answer was that even the dumbest individual will realise the mag is still fitted when 3 live rounds have spilled out onto the deck. The UK military teaches weapons drills parrot fashion, why? Because there is always one moron who thinks he knows better, and best remove any opportunity for experimentation.

Am I surprised at this incident--not at all--HiSo Thai buys lethal weapon and as he knows absolutely everything nothing can go wrong. He'll walk!

Yer ‘Methane’ perfectly correct mate.

if I may add that after removing the mag and cocking three times, the cocking leaver is held to the rear and an inspection of the open chamber is carried out to ensure, there is no round still sitting in the breach, (due to broken extractor) and there is no round still seated on the breach block face, (broken ejector)

Hench the cry, “Cock…Hook and look”, (not heard that for a while I bet?)…Pull to the rear 3 times, hook the working parts to the rear…..And look inside.

As you say there are so many idiots out there. The only safe way to handle weapons is though drills……..drills….and then more drills.

1989 was the last time I did that!

_{Some facts about the Uzi, It is a Submachine Gun, Sometime referred to as a machine pistol. The similarity with a hand gun, (sometimes called a pistol) ends in the name ‘pistol’}

_{When the trigger is operated on the Uzi it will discharge, and keep discharging rounds so long as the trigger is held in or the magazine is empty………..It’s utilizes a system known as ‘blow-back’ and using a ‘fixed firing pin’ this give a high rate of fire…..600 rpm…Practical rate…..Up to about 120 rpm.}

_{Having said all this………..Did someone say something about flying pigs?}

As it was quoted somewhere it was a semi auto l assumed conventional operation. If not conventional then <deleted> is this numnut doing fiddling with it in a restaurant. Needs admission to a nut house, not be part of governing LOS.

There are 2 distinct UZI mechanisms. The first is like most other sub-machine guns, the bolt being held to the rear until the trigger is pulled. With this type only a misfired round can be in the chamber as the gun uses a fixed firing pin. Strip-chamber-fire-recoil.

The "pistol- police-civilian" version has a closed bolt mechanism, so on cocking a round is chambered and the hammer held to the rear. In essence more like an (semi) automatic pistol. In this case a live round can be in the chamber ready to go. This version is semi auto only.

Does this "accident" surprise me, frankly no. Many moons ago I had access to the UK armed forces monthly "ammunition incidents" report. this covered incidents from mini flare pistols right up to the really big bangers. It was chilling reading. The unload drill for the rifle of the time involved operating the mechanism 3 times, I was once asked why. My answer was that even the dumbest individual will realise the mag is still fitted when 3 live rounds have spilled out onto the deck. The UK military teaches weapons drills parrot fashion, why? Because there is always one moron who thinks he knows better, and best remove any opportunity for experimentation.

Am I surprised at this incident--not at all--HiSo Thai buys lethal weapon and as he knows absolutely everything nothing can go wrong. He'll walk!

Yeh, l did PP1 (Police Pistol 1) training. The guys with revolvers were OK, but a numnut with a semi is dangerous. Had a round near my foot once when waiting for orders.

I always go by the loaded until proven otherwise mantra, in fact I do not believe in firearms accidents, someone is ALWAYS at fault. A friend of mine had a 5.56mm round hit his boot heel as some dumb pr1ck had readied a weapon and decided not to follow the unload procedure, he simply removed the mag and thought it was unloaded!

_{Some facts about the Uzi, It is a Submachine Gun, Sometime referred to as a machine pistol. The similarity with a hand gun, (sometimes called a pistol) ends in the name ‘pistol’}

_{When the trigger is operated on the Uzi it will discharge, and keep discharging rounds so long as the trigger is held in or the magazine is empty………..It’s utilizes a system known as ‘blow-back’ and using a ‘fixed firing pin’ this give a high rate of fire…..600 rpm…Practical rate…..Up to about 120 rpm.}

_{Having said all this………..Did someone say something about flying pigs?}

As it was quoted somewhere it was a semi auto l assumed conventional operation. If not conventional then <deleted> is this numnut doing fiddling with it in a restaurant. Needs admission to a nut house, not be part of governing LOS.

There are 2 distinct UZI mechanisms. The first is like most other sub-machine guns, the bolt being held to the rear until the trigger is pulled. With this type only a misfired round can be in the chamber as the gun uses a fixed firing pin. Strip-chamber-fire-recoil.

The "pistol- police-civilian" version has a closed bolt mechanism, so on cocking a round is chambered and the hammer held to the rear. In essence more like an (semi) automatic pistol. In this case a live round can be in the chamber ready to go. This version is semi auto only.

Does this "accident" surprise me, frankly no. Many moons ago I had access to the UK armed forces monthly "ammunition incidents" report. this covered incidents from mini flare pistols right up to the really big bangers. It was chilling reading. The unload drill for the rifle of the time involved operating the mechanism 3 times, I was once asked why. My answer was that even the dumbest individual will realise the mag is still fitted when 3 live rounds have spilled out onto the deck. The UK military teaches weapons drills parrot fashion, why? Because there is always one moron who thinks he knows better, and best remove any opportunity for experimentation.

Am I surprised at this incident--not at all--HiSo Thai buys lethal weapon and as he knows absolutely everything nothing can go wrong. He'll walk!

Nothing can beat the Phuket Mafia it will never work

What if all tourists avoided the place?

Muslim Scholar--oxymoron of the millenium.

How so?

Islam is all about adherance to the Koran, end of.

If any scholar were to objectively investigate the Koran in an open and meaningful manner he would find himself skewered

to the pavement as a blasphemer.

Muslim Scholar--oxymoron of the millenium.

The car could either be a W140 S class OR a W124 E class.

If it's an S it's at least 13 years old, if an E class at least 17 years old.

Given the huge variation in Thai maintenance standards I think we should give the poor girl the benefit of the doubt unless proven otherwise.

Only the last few years production of both cars had airbags, which Merc reccommend are re-packed every 5 years, were they in this case?

Just compared it to the numbers in Holland:

In 2009 720 died, in 2010 'only' 640. As Holland has 4.16 times less people this would add up to 2995 casualties in 2009 and 2662 in 2010.

In short: In a western country it is about 75% saver on the road than in Thailand! So be careful out there!!!

I heared you could even 'buy' a license here. No wonder the Dutch police won't accept a Thai drivers license in Holland.

You are wrong. You forget that in Holland just 6 mill people. And in Thailand 75 mill. So in Thailand population in 12.5 times more than in Holland. If in 2009 died 720 x 12.5 =9,000 opposite 11048 in Thailand.

So in your country with more higher taxes and salaries for police just 19% saver than in Thailand.

Sorry, but I did my reseach. You obviously did not. There are 16.612.213 people in Holland compared to 69.122.234 in Thailand! So the factor is indeed exactly 4,16 ! And for that matter: In Holland people live a lot closer together than the Thai. After Malta the Dutch are the most populated country in the EU (484 per square kilometer) as to Thailand (124 per square kilometer). So, I think you can even add to to this factor because the roads in Holland are a lot busier.

and the UK has figures showing it is 6 x safer than thai roads, ......600% , and the numbers are pretty accurate , .......only yesterday an op on here stated three fatalities that were never reported/accounted for bye the BIB , i have spent about 9 yrs of my life in thailand over 13 yrs and witnessed at least 20 road deaths,....... ive seen one in the UK in the remaining 36 yrs , .. To me , the answer is simple; MAKE THE DRIVING TEST COMPARABLE TO WESTERN STANDARDS; , if you are caught by the police with no license, your car will be confiscated until you pass the test which can be arranged in the next 48 hrs, if there were independant monitors { preferably someone who has lost a child through bad driving} at these test centers to check the new test rules are correctly followed , and with better trained traffic police this would go a looooooong way to cutting the fatalities at little cost...........but who cares ??...............mai penrai !

" we dont need no education".......

You can make a driving test as hard as possible, I.E. the same as UK traffic Police, but it only has to be passed once! You could train the worst Pukers Tuk Tuk "driver" to pass any test. THe very next day Somchai Homicidalsak hits the road driving? in his usual lunatic manner. As Police corruption / apathy is beyond a joke the death toll will continue to rise.

Is this Thailand or the UK?

Well, this is another stupid story that has been pushed in our face without any of the circumstantial evidence needed to confirm the direct cause of death.

Once the C.O.D. is confirmed, the forensics can match the evidence around the blow that caused the internal problems, and then match the trace evidence from that death blow with the British men's DNA tissue, saliva, and footware samples, as there is probably trace evidence around the head wounds.

I mentioned the "head wounds" part, because, if there is any weight to the Thai men story, then any expat knows that Thai men like to get the victim down on the ground and then kick and stomp the shit out of their ribs and head, Thais do not use their fists. There should be plenty of evidence there to match against the British men's shoes, etc. This is purely speculatory, though. I believe the British men are more than likey not the ones who delivered the death blow.

Again, without the cause of death, this is all much ado about nothing; that includes the bar girl story about the wife, her lover and accomplices, the British men, a pre-existing injury or condition that was triggered by the rucus, and any other theory.

Let's hope Thailand C.S.I. conducts the proper investigation, and that the surviving family members hire a proper forensics expert to examine that evidence.

Crime scene preservation, like honesty and commitment are traits the Thai Police will never have!

Someone mentioned that he is wanted in the Uk for armed robbery and if thats correct that will take precendent and he will be tried for that first sentenced if found guilty and incarcerated in the UK the extradition would have to wait till he has served his sentence in the UK first.

So he'll be ready for extradition in about a month then!:D

Has it crashed yet?

Will they use it on the aircraft carrier?

<deleted>.............. what a f8king joke this country can be... 55555

PS. None of the harriers are flying now. The carrier is probably earmarked for scuttling in the artificial reef program along with Chinese tanks.

THe Gripens are going to the RTAF, hence will not be carrier based, they are not carrier compatible anyway.

The RTN also has some A-7's in storage as well as Ex-Spanish Navy Harriers.

I believe the F/A 18's that were ordered ended up in Malaysia as 2 seat night attack aircraft. I always saw that FA18 over ambitious as

surely a few more F16's for the RTAF would have been more sensible, and cost a shedload less in training and maintenance.

Especially when the order was for only 6 frames in the first place.

Gripen is a good move as the single engine keeps maintenance costs down, and can use existing RTAF missiles etc.

Everything out there they are likely to be offered (Typhoon-SU 30-Rafale-even F/A-18 E F) are horrifically expensive.

Thanks for the recipe how to scam.

As for the tips in the last paragraph, here is one more: Don't use your ATM card when you are drunk. Not nothing unusual things with the machine is one thing, not noticing somebody watching you keyuing in the pin is another. If you are drunk and you don't have enough cash to party on, just go home.

Thanks for the recipie how to scam--NO, i have simply repeated information that is public domain, on many sites, which many choose not to look for themselves

and then winge when they are scammed. Forewarned is forearmed. The more that know the methods, and how to check for tampering the better.

From working in the banks there are loads of different techniques. One is to place a small camera to see your pin and a simple card catcher over where you enter your card. The card catcher and the person helping looking over your shoulder is also common. I have seen ones where they have put a complete new screen etc. on top of the actual machine. I usually used one had to cover when i enter my pin. it a good thing to do.

Often it's not that sophisticated! The "Lebanese Loop Method"

A piece of x-ray film is cut to about 2cm wide and just over double the length of a card.

This is placed in the card slot, which are often black, this makes the film hard to see, especially at night.

The card transport mechanism is uninterrupted and the card goes in as normal, but can't be read.

Barb like projections cut in the film now prevent card retrieval.

The scammer will be waiting near the ATM for a punter and will be acting the concerned instant friend.

Usual MO will be to ask you to try again, if the PIN isn't observed then, they offer to "help" and trusting as most (tragically) are

the PIN is offered up. The transaction fails, and as the film has been cut on the edges, like a fish hook barb,

the card won't eject. X-ray film is quite robust and flexible.

The punter now goes into the bank (if open) to retrieve the card, or home if the bank is closed. In the meantime the scammer, who

now has your PIN, simply pulls out the film, with your trapped card as one.

Always check the ATM for signs of tampering, pay particular attention to the card slot, keypad and any "additions"

that don't look right. I know it's not possible when travelling etc, but try to use A-familiar ATM's, B-if A isn't possible

use machines in well lit, preferably indoor locations where anyone tampering with it will stand out like a bulldogs nuts.

I stopped going there regularly in the early 90's, I have been back for a couple of fishing trips since, but stayed in Chalong and rented

a car at the airport. So the car was idle for 3 days, still cheaper overall than those rip of <deleted> given the different places I went to.

Patong was already a rip off when I first went there in 1990, but I put up with it as it WAS a pleasant location, with an almost party like atmosphere.

Now it's a shithole, even Krabi is rapidly declining (developing in Thai), go there soon before it becomes Patong 2!

I have never been in a Phuket tuk tuk, and since I will never return, never will!

Incarceration rate also may mean that there is a higher rate of capture of criminals, a higher rate of conviction, and a higher rate of detention (incarceration). If you follow the logic, a country with ZERO incarceration would have no crime? Probably not. And the country with the highest incarceration rate would have the highest crime? Again, probably not.

A higher incarceration rate also points to a willingness to report crime and confidence in the police and judicial system.

Incidentally Thailand has the third highest per capita rate of gun murders on the planet. The overall murder rate is about 15th,

the leaders being the predicatable Colombia, South Africa and Jamaica.

In Phuket I never once sat in a tuk tuk. They charge 200 bht now, for driving someplace you can walk to in one minute. 250 bht? What are they thinking. I rented a motorbike for 200 bht a day. That is half the cost it would cost me to go to starbucks and back in a tuk tuk, just a few minutes away walking. I now have a better choice. Never go to Phuket again.

I can safely say I too will never bother going back there.

Meters on tuk tuks I can see it now.

1 April 09:00 meters now required.

1 April 09:01 "solly meeester, meter bloken" you pay 400.

I am glad to say I have never paid these nuts 1 satang, I prefer a hire car, more than 3 destinations in 24 hours make it cheaper and much safer than those robbing rectoids.

250B flag charge 555555555 only 2x that of a London taxi.

I first went to Patong in May '85, stayed at Paradise Bungalows, was indeed Paradise back then. Quit going to Patong in '92, too much development for me by then.

Oddly enough I stopped going to Patong about then. I went to Rawai / Chalong after that mainly for live aboard fishing trips.

He had to plead guilty or lose his flight.

That happened to me when I was at the airport from a taxi ripping me off and I refused to pay some extortionate amount. The tourist police said to me - Pay it or you will come to the station. I could not refuse the payment, or I would have had to get a new flight.

Justice in this case... NO, IMO, he had to pay to leave the country or it would have cost him another small fortune to get another flight out.... Sometimes principals are best left at home.

TBS

A friend, an attorney in Los Angeles visiting Phuket, was run into from behind a motorcycle driven by an under-aged, unlicensed 14-yr old "kid". The motorcycle was attempting to pass in a no pass zone located in a business district in Kata. My friend was not at fault.

The Chalong police told my friend that if he did not plead guilty, he would be forced to remain in Phuket until the trial would take place, "many months away", as he was told by the police. My friend was forced to sign a declaration that he had caused the accident, in order to return to his law practice in Los Angeles on his scheduled flight.

This is one method that the local police use to coerce foreigners into accepting responsibilty for crimes, accidents, etc that they did not commit. It's just one more scam in the Land of Smiles.

Almost exactly the same happened to me in Krabi 2 years ago. You are made aware that even if you win in the eventual court case (white face, yeah right) you cannot claim costs! I however never had to pay the "compensation" to the dick on the bike as I told the uniformed crims that I had a lawyer arriving the next day. All of a sudden 50000 B became 500 B! All talk of a court case suddenly evaporated! A little sticking to your guns and research can save money and hassle.