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  1. Hi. I was just up there to deal with this and took a taxi all the way out there only to find it closed (the taxi driver didn't know it was closed.) The security guards handed me a piece of paper to the Esplanade Mall which I thought was strange, but went there and sure enough, the office is there temporarily. Sure is a lot easier to get to, you just take the MRT to the Thailand Cultural Center and it's just right by the exit there (I don't know Bangkok that well, I live in Phuket but I sure love the public transportation you have in your fine city.)

    • The Esplanade
      99 Ratchadaphisek Rd Din Daeng, Bangkok 10400
      Phone: +66 2 354 2133
      MFA is on Level G.
      They have to check your translation and that takes 2-3 hours. After that you can go back and pick up the documents or as in my case, they mailed them to me by EMS. I was there on Wednesday, I got the documents here on Friday. Easy.
  2. Thanks, yes, this is the information that I am looking for, thanks.

    The dealer told me a similar number referring to mileage, 16-20 or so per liter were the dealer specs.

    But then she told me her customers were coming back and saying that in the Honda Civic Hybrid, they were getting from Phuket to Bangkok and back, on one tank of fuel (50 liters) so that would be maybe 35km per liter. She told me that they were testing to see how good they could get it, so I'm sure they were being very conservative in their driving habits. But that is a very interesting number and much much better than what I am getting in my current 2004 City.

    She had no figures for the Jazz, it was too new.

    So it sounds like the Civic and the Prius are getting about the same. Interesting. Thanks for the information folks.

  3. Why have you excluded the Prius from your shopping list?

    http://www.toyota.co.th/en/product-detail.php?model=prius&opt=grades

    For that matter, why no mention of the CR-Z?

    http://honda.co.th/en/crz

    Indeed if it's all about going hybrid for the sake of saving taxes (or kidding yourself you're saving the world), you may as well also consider the Cayenne tongue.png

    http://pap.porsche.com/thailand_en/models/cayenne/cayenne-s-hybrid/ or Panamera: http://pap.porsche.com/thailand_en/models/panamera/panamera-s-e-hybrid/ and indeed all of the BMW Hybrids:

    http://www.bmw.co.th/th/en/newvehicles/3series/sedan_active_hybrid/2011/showroom/

    http://www.bmw.co.th/th/en/newvehicles/5series/sedan_active_hybrid/2011/showroom/

    http://www.bmw.co.th/th/en/newvehicles/7series/sedan_active_hybrid/2012/showroom/

    And hopefully this also puts to rest any stories that batteries have major problems in TH, or AC doesn't work etc etc smile.png

    I didn't mention the CRZ because there is no hybrid. Nice car, though, the wife wants one. Too big for Phuket's roads IMHO (sorry to steal your moniker.) If I drove off the island more I would seriously look at one, though in that class I like the Pejero better. My niece has one and it's a great car.

    We looked at the CRZ the other day, 1.44 million for the fully loaded one, beautiful car.

  4. Oh, I know where you mean, but I have not seen the Toyota place there. Funny. Anyway, thanks, will go check it out. Toyota's website doesn't even list that location.

    Yeah, Nissan sucks too and so does Chevy (at least they used to, maybe they are better now.) Maybe they aren't so bad, but Honda is super great so one gets spoiled.

  5. Thanks for that, will read them later today. I have not excluded anything, but I can't afford a BMW here so that's out. Yes, deluding myself about saving the world, correct, that's part of it, though I know the reality behind it. The manufacturing process cancels out any of the carbon savings, I know that. But it's still kind of intriguing. I like technology, so I guess that is the biggest reason I am looking. Nerdiness.

    I have only excluded Toyota because of the crappy service here in Phuket. I'm sure they are great in Bangkok, but they suck here. But thanks for the post about the other Toyota dealership stevenl. Where is that exactly on Chao Fa West? I haven't seen it. Is it near the Honda dealership or closer to the Central intersection? I have been to the original one out towards Supercheap, they suck. I have been to the new on on the bypass by Koh Kaew, they suck worse but have more space to suck there.

    I would like a Prius for sure, but if I can't get decent service then it's not worth it. Until Toyota gets it's stuff together in Phuket, I'll stay away from it. My buddy has a Toyota and he ends up taking it to a private garage rather than the dealership because they suck so bad.

    So, we're all clear that Toyota sucks in Phuket, right? Just in case I didn't make myself plain. wink.png

    If someone has a different experience, please tell me.

  6. Thanks, rechapstick, for the clarification. I have to admit I have not done that much research online and need to do that, but was hoping that this forum could give me a little personal insight on the cars in Thailand which it has to a certain extent. But no one who actually owns a Honda hybrid has responded. Maybe they are too new and it's better to wait and see.

    I didn't know that the Honda and Toyota technologies were different, that's very interesting. Maybe explains why they are cheaper than the Toyotas. Pruis are 1.2 million, Camry 1.7 million compared to Jazz 780,000 and City, 1,150,000. The Camry seems to be in the Accord category then. And no hybrid on the Accord yet.

    I was discussing Toyota vs Honda with some friends last night and the problem here in Phuket is that in our experience, Toyota, despite having built a brand-new service center, basically sucks on their service. You have to make an appointment two weeks in advance, the staff doesn't care, doesn't call you when there is a change in the order and in general are not well trained. This may be just the Phuket branch and not Thailand in general, but they sucked 9 years ago when I talked to them about a car and they suck now according to friends who have Toyotas. This is a side issue, but it's important when considering a purchase and at least in Phuket, Honda wins hands-down in support and service.

    But a little bummed to hear that the technology is not the same between the two brands.

    And I think the battery replacement has been answered. If it's designed to run 600,000 km then that's more than the life of the car so it's moot.

    Thanks again for all of your answers. Keep them coming if you have more info. Any satisfied Civic or Jazz hybrid owners out there? Maybe, as I said, it's just too soon.

    John

  7. They are lithium batteries (same as laptop computers or phones) and I have read that 10-years is the lifespan, then they are replaced. But that is also a good question to ask the dealership. I have read they recycle them, I'm sure that Honda would do the same here.

    Thanks for the clarification on the air con, that was my exact question too and I read that this is one of the reasons it took so long for them to get to Thailand was because of air con issues. I guess they got it sorted out. My sister who lives in Arizona said that some of the electric cars have had big problems in the heat so I assumed it would be the same here. But as you have confirmed, it seems the kinks are worked out.

    Thanks again for your answers.

    John

  8. Thanks, Phupaman, that's what I was looking for. Sounds cool. Yes, hard to say on the second hand selling market at this point, the hybrids are new here and Thais are pretty conservative with their idea of what makes a good car or not. I find that Hondas keep their value better than others, but with the car market being flooded by all of the good deals, easy credit and government encouragement (First Car, First House), second hand prices are sure to suffer.

    If I buy a new car I will most likely take what Honda gives me on a trade in, but I will advertise it first. I paid 680,000 for it new, have had zero problems (except this week I am putting in new brakes so that's something, but the first time I have had to spend money on it really) and I'm sure I can sell it for at least 250K, maybe 300K. We'll see. I think I have gotten my money's worth out of it.

    As I have said several times, I'm hybrid curious and like the idea of them. It's not necessarily about saving on petrol, as others have pointed out, LPG or whatever you call it will do that easily enough (though you lose your trunk space and I like my trunk space.)

    Thanks again, glad you're enjoying the car.

    John

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  9. Thanks, Phupaman, just what I was looking for. Yes, the Camry has been here for a bit over two years I think. They made a big deal about them when they bought all 76 governors new hybrids. Honda was a little slow to catch up. I only started seeing Prius here last year.

    Good report, I like it. How often does the car actually just run on electric, is it often or only when you're idling? I mean, in heavy traffic like we have here in Phuket there is a lot of stop and go at every silly red light that they have every 600 meters. It's almost faster to walk. Does the air con work well in stop and go? It's hard to turn it off here, not only because of the heat but also because of the diesel exhaust you breath when the windows are down. And it's so noisy with all the motorbikes zooming around.

    I'm with you, Ingis, with regard to Honda being better than Toyota. The Toyota dealer here has a very bad rep for service. While the Honda shop is spot on and very inexpensive. Been dealing with them for 9-years now and they have never let me down, never overcharged me, always been nothing but polite and always done a great job. I hear nightmares about the Toyota shop in Phuket. I know when I looked at my first car, they were rude, arrogant, and completely unhelpful. Just the opposite of Honda.

    But I'm sure that's just here, Toyota has a great reputation most places. My parents always had Toyotas and loved them.

    As I said, I have a City now and it's great. But thinking that a Civic would be a little bit nicer this time. Better on the highway for sure and more comfortable interior. The ride will be smoother too.

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