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Bangkok drivers have a heavier foot than Chiang Rai drivers. So I wonder what amount of the accidents were precipitated by out of town vehicles?

It is also unfair to say that Chiang Rai has the highest number of accidents. It is not the fault of Chiang Rai motorists that these accidents happened here. Do the statistics about accidents mention what proportion of these accidents involved out of town vehicles?

That would be interesting to know.

Good point. Many of the cars using the Super Highway through CR these past few days have reg plates from other areas, many from Bangkok or even further south. The drive from BKK is a long one and fatigue could have a lot to do with the cause of many of these accidents.

Might try that when I get my new Suzuki Skydrive next week, looks easy!

Met some other dog owners recently where I live and they recommended the frozen stuff from Makro, tried it with my wife's dog and he loves it.

Chiang Rai and the surrounding area is worth a visit too if you have time while in Chiang Mai for a detour.

I was the one who raised the threat issue, so if you consider it lies, I'm the liar, not villagefarang.

You can dish it out but you can't take it VF but you'd best get used to it because if anyone clicks on the link you've posted to your blog you may get some more feedback that you aren't too keen on.

I construed this as a threat. If it can be taken any other way I'd be curious to hear it.

Thank you for the paragraphs.

Thank you for awarding us a draw, most magnanimous of you.

Congratulations on your well informed status, personally I think I could be here another thirty years and still find Thailand a wondrous and amazing mystery.

Edit: And another thing....

When you've finished ranting about drunken old men groping young girls why don't you ask your father in law how old his mia noi is?

The way you interpreted that comment says more about you than me Sceadugenga, you were scraping the barrel looking at ways to discredit me and my opinions and stain my unblemished character and still are now. People have accused me of not understanding the original query as part of the anti-sausage campaign even though it was blatantly obvious as highlighted by toybits earlier.....

"wondering about the places to head for entertainment of the female variety" could be interpreted in many ways. To me, that sounds pretty much like asking for girly bars.

However, the quote you highlighted to me above was misunderstood and incorrectly interpreted as a threat by you but I don't see how it could have been seen as one! The VF wasn't too pleased with my honest opinion of his blog and I just pointed out that, as he had created a link to his blog, more people may make similar comments that I had made as more people will read it. Threat? If you say so.

Thank you for your thanks and congratulations, it means a lot and makes me feel a part of the community.

ps...No father-in-law so I can't ask about a mia-noi, how's yours though?

pps...I also hope to enjoy Chiang Rai for 30+ years and I'm certain it will remain wondrous and amazing for me too, but I hope Chiang Rai does not change too much in that time and the 'entertainment' industry does not grow as much as you guys would like.

Been off having a life today and just look at what all of you have gotten up to. I thought this thread would have died an ignoble and deserved death by this time.

This strikes me as a stereotypic case of the 10 minute Thai Expert (or in this case, perhaps 30 minutes) lecturing and denigrating others with no wit, humor or class. Coarse, abrasive and seriously under-informed.

The truth is we can all come up with anecdotal evidence to support whatever position we choose to take. Neither the unfortunate and downtrodden, nor the Gucci toting elite, with incomes far greater than the prime minister of this lovely country, can be generalized to represent the whole of this ancient profession.

It is a very old and complex issue, that was present long before modern day farangs arrived and will be here long after we are gone. It can hardly be discussed intelligently and inclusively in a forum such as this.

It is my opinion that our diminutive friend is not deserving of the attention he has received in these pages, and our efforts to educate and enlighten, fall on deaf ears.

Morning my fellow forum members, hope you are all well and you enjoyed having a life yesterday VF, look forward to the update on your blog. This has reminded me of watching wrestling as a kid and the tag-teams, but in this case it's been about 10 against one, not two against two. First we had villagefarang backed up by sceadugenga and will27. Then the virgin wavejumper felt he just had to join up and let his opinion be known as it was such an important topic! We then had a two-pronged attack by VF and sceadugenga which caused beacher to submit followed by a bit more support by kitsch22 and will27 again. There was then a few blows below the belt by VF and sceadugenga by making up lies about non-existent threats and moaning about the tactics of team sausage even though it was the same as what team blog had done. Finally, with the crowd swaying towards team sausage, svenivan, mumojumbo, lannaman and limbo join in too. Referees decision.....draw.

I'm actually surprised there is so much support and strong feelings about this subject, but also very sad that so many of you are happy to justify and encourage the 'entertainment' industry in such a lovely place as Chiang Rai and bemoan and ridicule anyone who dares to say that paying young girls for their time and company is maybe, just maybe, wrong. Wrong not just because the girl is selling herself but wrong because of everything else that is associated with this industry like the drug/drink addiction, abuse and girls being forced into it.

Yes, maybe it was here before any of us were here and will be here for a long time after but is that a reason to just accept it and join in with it? I guess if you are one of the patrons of these entertainment areas then you won't want anyone to offer any help and support to these girls but how can there be so much objection to people wanting to help? Do you really all think working in a bar and being groped by old, drunk men is what all these girls want from life? And when I say help I'm not talking about the extreme measures that Limbo mentioned but if a girl gets a better education, and the communities many of the girls come from get support too, then they may have different options instead of the 'entertainment' industry.

And I've spent a lot more time here in Thailand working and studying than you like to think in many different areas and am very well informed. But thank you anyway for trying to educate and enlighten me further and explain why girls who work in the entertainment industry should be left well alone and continue to offer a much needed and valuable service to the male community. It is not me with deaf ears, it is you guys who choose not to listen as that may spoil your fun. Happy Christmas everyone.

For someone who considers himself a blog critic, you'd be a lot easier to read if you learned the art of the paragraph sausage.

Yes it probably would, apologies, I'm still young so plenty of time to learn. I heard you were Australian so shouldn't it be learnt, which is the British English version, rather than the American English of learned? If you enjoy correcting English you should spend a few hours checking out your friends blog

This is so much fun, I wish I'd joined this forum years ago!

It's a personal decision, I prefer the sound of learned to learnt so that's what I write.

I find VillageFarang's blog very readable regardless of what you consider to be grammatical flaws. He has spent his entire working life in Thailand amongst sophisticated, well educated Thais and on retirement made the decision to live among simple villagers who, much to his horror, don't speak Thai.

This is a different scenario to many of us, who only holidayed in Thailand before deciding to retire here. His experience in things Thai is almost beyond the comprehension of someone like me, but it's amusing because he's placed himself in a similar position, (in some ways) to myself.

If English is your first language, which I suspect it is, then there's no excuse for the way you write. You're much closer to the source of your education than we are, as you keep drawing our attention to the difference between your youth and our geezerhood.

VillageFarang and myself probably haven't written a recreational word since we left school many years ago, and it's a skill that has to be relearned.

I heard you were Australian so shouldn't it be learnt, which is the British English version, rather than the American English of learned?

According to the Oxford Advanced Dictionary it is the other way round:-

learn / Ñ l3;n; NAmE Ñ l3;rn/ verb (learnt, / Ñ l3;nt; NAmE Ñ l3;rnt/) or (learned,)

This is just one of many sources that confirm what I already knew.

'Originally, in British English, everyone would have spelt the past tense of learn with T – I learnt to drive, I learnt to cook, but you’ll find more and more people in the UK now using the ed ending.

The same is true of verbs such as spell – as in I spelt it incorrectly – with a T at the end. But now you’ll find more and more people using - I spelled it incorrectly – with an ed at the end. This is probably due to the influence of American English coming into Britain because in the US the ed is used for learn, for spell, for dream for example - I dreamed it with an ed at the end. And you’ll find that this US spelling is starting to replace the original British spelling in British English.'

Svenivan, suits me just fine, I'd rather not have discussions with people who try to justify, condone, promote and encourage the 'entertainment' industry in Thailand so lets just agree to disagree.

Is a man who pays a woman for sex and promises her nothing less worthy than one who preys on receptionists and shop girls,

promises them love, or even marriage, and eventually gives them nothing?

This is really where it is all about.

Of course there are in Chiang Rai and 'the rest of Thailand' many girls outside the sex-trade that want

to marry foreigners! In many cases however also these contracts are based on inequity.

There are many young ladies having low paid jobs hardly offering perspectives for career development and thus improvement.

Indeed like those that work as receptionists, shop girls, waitresses, etc. etc.

They are easily charmed by the slimy kind of foreigner as they are not always treated respectfully by Thai customers.

On top of that don't have time and/or the financial space to go out and meet potential candidates for friendship and marriage.

They think they see the light at the end of the tunnel when an obese, pimply foreign young man, well in his thirties, smiles to them.

There is also the category of a little bit better educated young ladies.

Also for them it isn't easy to find a husband as marriage in Thailand generally takes place at a relative young age.

And they 'lost' years during their studies and the first years of their careers.

Their education makes them a little bit more critical as well and this often leads to the situation that they

still aren't married when they are approaching or even passed the magical age of 30 (for most Thai considered 'over the top').

In this category we find nurses, secretaries, teachers, low ranked civil servants etc. etc.

Also their alternatives are limited. Also they are open for the overtures made by foreigners, especially if these pretend to be

honest, well to do and fairly educated (one of the reasons that many of the 'gentlemen' suddenly seem to have academical

backgrounds).

Yes, Thailand is paradise for instance for NGO workers, temporary teachers and tourists who do the empathic

'you can trust me' approach. The cultural difference makes that this trick works much better here than at home.

The members of the first category often get a 4WD from the boss (developmental work can not be done in a 2WD)

and blow up their ego's to a degree that one sometimes has to fear that they sooner or later will explode.

At home they might not be very succesful with the ladies but here they suddenly are, turning them into self-proclaimed

Adonises ('Thai girls don't mind when you are obese' they repeat until they believe it themselves).

They are often not honest to the girls, accept all the gifts and dedication, yes, even their love, untill

'sorry my dear, but I got a new job in Laos".

One of these 'I never would pay for sex'-types teached me in his enormeous generosity one of his tricks:

"The best thing", he said, "is that you wear relatively transparent shirts. In your breastpocket you put a bundle of

bank notes with a thousand note at the outside. You will see, it works!"

This is my personal answer to your question.

Limbo

Wow, have we met? Or maybe you've seen me driving around in my 4x4 with pockets full of cash! Or perhaps you were the old guy stroking the teenage girls leg in the 'entertainment' area and wondered why you were getting so many disapproving looks? But obese I'm not, big-boned is how my Mother describes me and they're not pimples, it's an allergy. But who cares, I'm glad that finally someone is brave enough to admit that this is what's it all about, and by giving this personal answer it gives us an insight as to how Limbo and his clan form their opinions on this subject. Often when a man is of an age that he can no longer physically attract members of the opposite sex, especially the younger ones, then out comes the wallet.

But what he is now doing is frowned upon by the vast majority of the population back home so he ups sticks and moves thousands of km's away to somewhere like Thailand, Cambodia etc and then tries to justify it by saying it's normal here or accepted or that he's actually helping these girls which is then made easier as there are plenty of other guys here doing just the same. And then when someone asks a question like the OP did then all the old guys who have done the same come out and pat each other on the back while mocking anyone else that thinks differently.

I understand it must be difficult for you when you see a young western man in, what's generally considered, a normal relationship with a Thai girl but you should try not to be bitter and angry about it, just be happy. And there are plenty of us here in Chiang Rai and elsewhere in Thailand so get used to it and also the fact that there are many others who don't think the same as you and won't all joke about such a serious problem.

For someone who considers himself a blog critic, you'd be a lot easier to read if you learned the art of the paragraph sausage.

Yes it probably would, apologies, I'm still young so plenty of time to learn. I heard you were Australian so shouldn't it be learnt, which is the British English version, rather than the American English of learned? If you enjoy correcting English you should spend a few hours checking out your friends blog

This is so much fun, I wish I'd joined this forum years ago!

Forced prostitution by sale of the daughter does happen in Thailand. Maybe not to the extent it used to but it still occurs.

Prostitution through personal economic hardship is probably more common, the poorer provinces in the north east still supply most of the girls for the bars in the main tourist areas of Thailand.

Voluntary prostitution is a lot more common than people realise. A girl I know very well through family connections trained as a nurse aide, worked about a month, permed her hair and headed to the karaoke bars around the old airport. No pressure, family horrified, her choice.

There is work for almost everyone who wants it in the Lanna region, a lot of it seasonal and very hard. Prostitution can be much more lucrative. If people have to be forced into it why do newspapers in "free" countries like Australia have pages of "Adult Relaxation" ads every day?

I've spent more than 30 minutes in bars, I admit it openly, and have talked to many bargirls. Most will say what they think the customer wants to hear to keep him buying drinks. There are escape processes available up here, many NGOs help girls get away from the bars, but they have to want to go.

Well the beast that's neither dead or alive has pretty much hit the nail on the head although it's actually forced prostitution, whether here or in free countries, that is more common than people think. Of course there are those who are doing it of their own free will for whatever reasons, usually because it's a more financially viable option than many jobs here in Thailand, but there are still many who are forced into it. Nobody ever said these girls are worthless and they are humiliated, insulted and degraded on a daily basis by their customers purely by doing what the are doing, not by people who are trying to help them and give them other options. Of course, if someone is doing it because they want to then they won't want anyone to help but there are many that do and I don't mean via the extreme measures mentioned by Limbo. If people continue to justify, ignore the facts and not take it seriously then it will carry on and keep growing but if the vulnerable communities where many of these girls & boys originate get help which enables them to have other options apart from selling their offspring then surely that is a good thing. People should be able to try and help without the jokes from Villagefarang and many others or the justifying of it by Limbo. Naturally there will be those who oppose help being offered to these individuals because they enjoy frequenting these entertainment areas themselves but to say there's nothing wrong with it and that none of the people working in this industry wants help is just ridiculous.

.....so we went and had a chat with some of the young ladies who work in the small soi adjacent to Jet Yod Rd which is probably the area the OP was asking about as my cousins wife knows many of them already through her work. Many of them are dependant on drink, drugs or both, many were physically, mentally or sexually abused when children and then sold to the 'entertainment' industry by their family which means they then have to sell themselves for many years in order to pay off their 'owner', many said they have had, or currently have, numerous STD's, many have young children of their own who, no doubt, will follow in their mothers footsteps and many also have abusive boyfriends who make them work there. If we'd stayed longer than the 30 minutes we were there we probably would have found out even more depressing information about their miserable lives but that doesn't matter, as long as big John can have a bit of fun while he's here in Chiang Rai that's OK.

This is a horrible way to talk about these young ladies.

This is a humiliating way to talk about these young ladies, an insulting way: it is degrading.

As if they wouldn't have souls, as if they wouldn't have pride! As if their lifes were worthless.

There was an American missionary before in this area, who must have thought along the same lines

when he deciced that sterilisation would be the 'solution'.

Those among us who know about this sad but true history, also know about the life-long pain and misery for the young ladies

that accepted the 'vitamine-injection'.

I am very happy that the person, where the sausage is attached to, left.

He is immoral enough to use the Karma of other people, in this case less priveliged people, for trying to have the last word.

I thank Sceadagunga, Villagefarang, and those I didn't forget for their positive reactions and I apologize to the moderator of

this forum for my harsh words.

Limbo

Now I've seen the light, thank you Limbo for educating me, how foolish of me. Of course these girls are proud. They are very proud to have men older than their grandfather groping them every night and proud to accept their 'tea money' to please them. They must be proud to have been sold by their family and must love having to do what they do every evening in order to pay off the debt from the sale. They must be proud to have to be dependant on drink/drugs in order to block out what they do for a 'living'. Yes, the only thing we should all do is contribute to this industry personally and support and encourage other like-minded people. Please forgive me, I know not what I do or say.

Klikster said 'Actually, I believe I said something about "by their family" in one of my posts. So now that you are aware of how that cycle gets started, what good does it do to whine about it in this forum?'

Sorry I didn't realise the posts on here were copyrighted and posts with the same info or opinion can't also be posted! And I was well aware of the cycle before reading your post. Whine?! This isn't something people whine about, it's not the same as if one of the old boys club run out of viagra, it's trying to make people understand that as long as they condone, encourage or personally support what's going on in these 'entertainment' areas then things aren't going to get any better for anyone working there.

Klikster said 'If? Probably? What a silly comment. Is all your knowledge based on supposition? And you gave this issue all of 30 minutes. Amazing!'

Once again sorry, thanks for correcting me, how silly of me! What I should have said was 'If we'd stayed longer than the 30 minutes we were there we definitely would have found out even more depressing information about their miserable lives'

And I said if because on this occasion my friend, who has worked for the last seven years trying to help these girls, is currently on holiday and so was not actually working. Plus we couldn't have stayed sitting there longer than the 30 minutes we were there anyway as the old guy of about 60 who was stroking a girls leg, who was no more than 18 but probably younger, was making us feel a bit uncomfortable.

Svenivan, from reading the comments on this post, and numerous other postings here on TV and other similar forums, the vast majority are of the opinion that there's nothing wrong with paying for a girls company, I have very very rarely seen anyone condemn it or highlight the reasons as to why these girls are working there in the first place, if you do feel differently than others why not give your opinion? Scared your drinking buddies will give you the cold shoulder? And I understood perfectly the op's 2nd post which tries to justify his query, they are not sex tourists just tourists who are happy to pay for sex while holidaying here, no difference really. I have no problem, just different views to most of the other members who have commented on here I and am not afraid to air them, I think it is only myself and toybits who haven't joined in the back-patting, jokes or excused it just because this is Thailand so therefore it's OK.

Whenever I have generalized in my previous posts people are very quick to say I'm wrong and that not everyone thinks the same suggesting you are of the same opinion of me but then joke about it. How can you say I'm wrong but then condone what's been said and not let your true opinion be known. I think I'd be right in saying that there are actually many more people who have similar opinions to myself but are scared to post them because they will be mocked and called moral guardians etc etc. Are these guys family and friends in Australia, America, etc aware that they support, condone and encourage these 'entertainment' areas. Even when faced with the truth about the girls history and the stories of drug addiction, STD's, abuse, being sold by their family etc etc people still joke about it, unbelievable! Mai pen rai though, this is Thailand, I'll join you guys for a beer and a joke about it all as soon as I've realised I'm being silly!

Not much chance of him naming his next born villagefarang or sceadugenga I predict.

Well hopefully in the next year or two I will be having a little one so should I name him/her after a beast that is neither living or dead or the worlds most boring blogger that thinks they are superior to every other foreigner living in Thailand? Difficult choice, let me sleep on it.

FYI, I had dinner in town close to Jet Yod Rd last night with my cousin and his Thai wife who works for an NGO up here and I mentioned that it seems most of the foreigners here in Chiang Rai, and elsewhere in Thailand, seem to think there's nothing wrong with paying for a girls company so we went and had a chat with some of the young ladies who work in the small soi adjacent to Jet Yod Rd which is probably the area the OP was asking about as my cousins wife knows many of them already through her work. Many of them are dependant on drink, drugs or both, many were physically, mentally or sexually abused when children and then sold to the 'entertainment' industry by their family which means they then have to sell themselves for many years in order to pay off their 'owner', many said they have had, or currently have, numerous STD's, many have young children of their own who, no doubt, will follow in their mothers footsteps and many also have abusive boyfriends who make them work there. If we'd stayed longer than the 30 minutes we were there we probably would have found out even more depressing information about their miserable lives but that doesn't matter, as long as big John can have a bit of fun while he's here in Chiang Rai that's OK. If people are happy to support and encourage this industry and all the guys pat each other on the back about it and have a good laugh it will continue to grow and create more stories just like these.

Happy Christmas!

I would like to thank the youngster with the 3 inch sausage for plugging my silly blog.

'Tacky, tacky. What ever happened to cultured wit and civility?'

Is this your idea of cultured wit and civility? What's good for the goose is good for the gander!

Aren't we the sensitive one. Did we get up on the wrong side of the bed today?

Thanks for elevating me to the level of village idiot. That lifts me up the social ladder a few rungs.

Once again thanks for your generous patronage and promotion of my blog. I thank you and my dog thanks you.

No darling I got up on the right side, your side as I didn't want to sleep on the wet patch. You don't need to thank me re your blog, I find it helps immensely when I have trouble sleeping and will continue to recommend it to other people suffering from insomnia.

Strange guy.... very experienced poster, very few posts...

Not nice to threaten people though.

What do you think, Scea? Should I feel threatened? Seems a bit of a lightweight to me.

Excuse me, where were the threats? Let's not make things up here and pick on the new guy, there were no threats whatsoever, the bit that was deleted in my post (26) by one of the impartial mods was an alteration of villagefarang to village id1ot, I didn't think there would be a problem as he did the same to toybits user name in post 11 without it being deleted. And in post 22 villagefarang made a comment about my wife and then mocked toybits yet again in post 24 followed by another comment aimed at me in post 28 implying I had a 3 inch penis. He then continued his nonsense with another member which eventually caused the lovely beacher to proclaim he would never post on TV again. So like I said earlier, villagefarang is keen to dish it out but can't take it when people do the same to him. There seems to be a bit of an old boys club thing going on here as well, I should look out for secret hand-shakes when I'm out and about. And it seems that only people with a high post count are taken seriously but maybe there are plenty of foreigners living here with plenty of experience of life in Thailand but don't sit at their computer every day thinking they are better than everyone else just because they write a blog about themselves, their mountain biking and their dog. My cleaner could write a more interesting blog. Anyway, it's been nice guys but like the beacher I'll be leaving you now, ciao for now

Bad psychologist as well as a bad blogger

I would like to thank the youngster with the 3 inch sausage for plugging my silly blog.

I'm glad you liked that.

I did, shame you didn't like my jovial alteration of your name and had to go crying to the mods even though you had done similar in previous posts. You can dish it out but you can't take it VF but you'd best get used to it because if anyone clicks on the link you've posted to your blog you may get some more feedback that you aren't too keen on.

You're a bit thin skinned aren't you? Never fear, I'll rewrite it as "Is a man, not including sausage, etc etc..."

No, water off a duck's back actually it's just that I'm the only person who's pointed out the fact that there are other girls here in Thailand other than BG's and even mentioned shop girls etc in my posts so I presumed you were replying to me, sorry if I was mistaken. But as it seems everyone has already formed an opinion about Thai females as a whole and considers them all to be the same then it doesn't matter and I'll be on my merry way.

Is a man who pays a woman for sex and promises her nothing less worthy than one who preys on receptionists and shop girls, promises them love, or even marriage, and eventually gives them nothing?

Who mentioned empty promises or preying? It's no different here to when you were a young pup growing up in ********, you go out and if you meet someone you find attractive and who also finds you attractive then you can have a good time together whether it's for one night, one week or one month. If it doesn't work out then mai bpen rai, I have ended relationships here and I've been dumped myself by Thai girls but I am now happily married, very much in love and hope it stays that way.

I would like to thank the youngster with the 3 inch sausage for plugging my silly blog.

It was quite witty, gave me a smile too, shame his blog isn't the same instead of utter drivel! But if he'd just ask his wife he'd know he was miles off the truth

Fortunately Chiang Rai isn't a popular destination for sex tourists and it would be nice if it stayed that way. The more sex tourists that come here will increase the amount of sex workers and it will then, slowly but surely, become like many other sleaZy places that can be found in Thailand. Why can't he come here and enjoy Chiang Rai as it is without having to pay for a girls company while he's here?

Man this post made sign up for Thai visa and post a reply, my friends and I visited Chiang Rai last year and we had a great time, not difficult at all to find female company. We don't consider ourselves 'sex tourist' but tourist who enjoy sex I remember going to many resorts in Europe and having a great time there too. I understand you grumpy old ba#@&*#s trying to protect your town from perverts but it seemed like an innocent post deserving a decent reply. You guys don't seem to care about running down Pataya etc. what about the decent, quiet families who live there? A little bit of thought, compassion and understanding might be in order before you pound angrily on those computer keys.

Yes it's not difficult to find female company here, there are many many beautiful girls in Chiang Rai and many of whom find farang men very attractive. Like most men I also enjoy sex and when I was single I could go out any night of the week and meet a like-minded girl in one of the local bars, nightclubs the same as I would back at home or in any city throughout the world but I never paid for sex. Does the ops friend pay for sex in his home country? Like I said in a previous post though, I will be raising a family here soon and already had one idiot approach me and my wife recently asking where the bars were where he could also get a girl like I had and the more tourists who come here that are willing to pay for sex will increase the amount of sex workers but I guess that's OK because this is Thailand and not Canada, Australia or the UK. I'm not old, far from it, and I often recommend Chiang Rai to friends for a visit because of the amount of beautiful single girls here but not the ones you need to pay for their company.

Not sure if I fully understand the highlighted part.

Am I right in saying that you frequented the bars

whilst in Thailand, took girls home and you

NEVER paid?

Because that my friend is a rarity.

And using that theory, the guy could

come to CR, take girls home and sleep

with them. And as long as he doesn't pay

them, it's ok.

Also, your average sex tourist ain't

gonna come to CR for the girls. They

will go to Pattaya, Bangkok or a host

of other area's. So I don't think you

have any worries about CR becomming

another "Sin City".

Surely a guy can visit CR and go and

visit the bars without getting sledged for

it. Maybe he should just stay in his hotel

room at night.

Regards

Will

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Are you not aware that there are 'normal' bars/clubs here too just like in America, Australia, England, Canada, France etc etc? Where do you think the vast majority of Thai's go when they want to have fun, the go-go bars and bars full of bar-girls? Every town/city in Thailand has bars and clubs with the main patrons being your normal, everyday Thai. The Uni students, Toyota dealership employees, bank staff etc etc also like to go out and enjoy themselves and if you go to the same places they go to then that is where you can meet like-minded people who have a relationship, whether a one-night stand or longer, based on being attracted to you rather than because you pay them. It was not a rarity for me when I was single in Lampang, Korat, or Khon Khaen where I used to live, and it's not been a rarity for friends who have visited me since I moved to Chiang Rai. Maybe it would be a rarity if you frequented bars where the girls who work there require payment to keep you company for a night but not if you go to the same sort of places you would go to in your own country. I know there are places which attract sex tourists like Pattaya as there are thousands of sex workers there but if more people come to CR and are willing to pay for sex then it won't be long before CR has more of those types of bars which I'd rather didn't happen. What's wrong with that? If you lived in a small town in Canada or America would you want lot's of bars opening up with bar girls selling themselves and lot's of people visiting your town solely for the purpose of paying for sex? It's just another sad example of how many people see Thailand as basically one big brothel, don't see anything wrong with the increasing amount of sex tourists coming here and think that every Thai female is for sale. But it could be that I see things differently as I'm in my early 30's and still able to attract a girl without using $, I guess if I was old, bald and fat then I would need to pay for sex too. And village farang <//deleted by Admin//>, you needn't worry about my wife, she's 25 and very beautiful which is perhaps why I was approached and asked about her, I'd concentrate on your silly blog rather than make daft comments on here!

Fortunately Chiang Rai isn't a popular destination for sex tourists and it would be nice if it stayed that way. The more sex tourists that come here will increase the amount of sex workers and it will then, slowly but surely, become like many other sleaZy places that can be found in Thailand. Why can't he come here and enjoy Chiang Rai as it is without having to pay for a girls company while he's here?

Man this post made sign up for Thai visa and post a reply, my friends and I visited Chiang Rai last year and we had a great time, not difficult at all to find female company. We don't consider ourselves 'sex tourist' but tourist who enjoy sex I remember going to many resorts in Europe and having a great time there too. I understand you grumpy old ba#@&*#s trying to protect your town from perverts but it seemed like an innocent post deserving a decent reply. You guys don't seem to care about running down Pataya etc. what about the decent, quiet families who live there? A little bit of thought, compassion and understanding might be in order before you pound angrily on those computer keys.

Yes it's not difficult to find female company here, there are many many beautiful girls in Chiang Rai and many of whom find farang men very attractive. Like most men I also enjoy sex and when I was single I could go out any night of the week and meet a like-minded girl in one of the local bars, nightclubs the same as I would back at home or in any city throughout the world but I never paid for sex. Does the ops friend pay for sex in his home country? Like I said in a previous post though, I will be raising a family here soon and already had one idiot approach me and my wife recently asking where the bars were where he could also get a girl like I had and the more tourists who come here that are willing to pay for sex will increase the amount of sex workers but I guess that's OK because this is Thailand and not Canada, Australia or the UK. I'm not old, far from it, and I often recommend Chiang Rai to friends for a visit because of the amount of beautiful single girls here but not the ones you need to pay for their company.

Fortunately Chiang Rai isn't a popular destination for sex tourists and it would be nice if it stayed that way. The more sex tourists that come here will increase the amount of sex workers and it will then, slowly but surely, become like many other sleaZy places that can be found in Thailand. Why can't he come here and enjoy Chiang Rai as it is without having to pay for a girls company while he's here?

Did the OP ask about places with sex workers? Can't believe you guys in CR think in such a sleazy way

The OP just asked for places with female entertainment.

If he wants bars with girls to sit and chat with, then head down Chet Yot Road (a turning off the clock tower roundabout). If he wants female companions karaoke style, then go to the Wiang Inn Hotel (he may be able to get a special massage there, too) or one of the karaoke joints along Phaholyothin Road. If he wants to meet some of the nice young locals, then he could check out one of the many local night spots - Sperm, Par Club, The Womb or Where Else. If he's not a conversationalist, then tell him to ask a tuk-tuk driver for some action.

Have fun!

Sperm!!! The Womb!!!!

OMG - I expect all those members of the "Christian Movement for Paranoia and Prudence" that were so vocal in the first few replies will be torching these blasphemous dens of inequity very soon. Imagine that !!!! In pure and god-fearing CR, people would have the audacity to open such horrible places. LOL

The OP's friend is automatically labeled a sex tourist because he asks about places to meet girls? C'mon, it's obvious that ThaiVisa has a very strong gay influence, but us heterosexuals aren't jumping all over posts by the gay members when they ask about the wheres, whys, and hows involved in their sexual preference. There seems to be a very good live and let live approach to the high number of gays who post on here, so let's be fair to the hetros as well. Straight Pride, baby!!!

Amazing to see so many people decide that if a guy wants to have sex with a girl in Thailand, he's a pervert. Hilariously twisted sh*t, that is.

The Sperm and Womb bars are actually just normal bars but with odd names, nothing sleazy about them despite their name. They are in the main entertainment area of Chiang Rai for Thai's around the big Par Club. The main area that farang tend to hang out is Jetyod Rd in the centre. There is no Christian movement as far as I'm aware but I'd hate for CR to turn into somewhere that farang visit mainly for the ready supply of girls for sale, like every service provided, it's all about supply and demand and the more farang who visit who will pay for the services of a girl then the more that industry will grow. Is the ops friend not able to have a normal relationship with a girl instead of paying for her company? There are already far too many farang who think that every Thai girl is for sale regardless of where they are, the more that small towns and villages cater for people with these views then this will just get worse.

I was in a 7/11 not so long ago with my wife when I noticed an odd-looking chap staring at me and following me round. He then cornered me and asked me where the bars are where he can get a girl like I had. I live and let live but maybe that's why I'm not a great fan of CR attracting sex tourists and I don't see why I should have to hear sh1t like that just because of a stereotype that is only going to get worse if places like CR change for the worse. This is where I intend to raise a family and If I were to have a daughter I'd hate for some old desperado in 16-18yrs time to presume she was a whore just because she happens to be (50%) Thai.

Posted on GT-R are images of a 150cc motard being sold in CR for 69k.. Zongshen IIRC.

Yeah, I saw it today actually but don't know enough about bikes to form a credible opinion, looks OK though, a tad smaller than a KLX250.