Hedge Funds In Asia

[Lil_Jon]

hi , does any one have any info on some popular hedge funds operating in asia , has any one used this investment instruments , if so , what are the returns on these asian hedge funds compared to the ones in western markets ,

any info would be highly appreciated ,

[womble]

hi , does any one have any info on some popular hedge funds operating in asia , has any one used this investment instruments , if so , what are the returns on these asian hedge funds compared to the ones in western markets ,

any info would be highly appreciated ,

If you have to answer such questions I suggest perhaps Hedge Funds are not for you.

[theseveredhead]

have heard lately some have exposure to subprime issues in us.

hedge funds, pretty dodgy stuff.

[beammeup]

Most hedge funds require a minimum of like a million dollars.

[AmericanGuy1066]

On this one, would have to go with the response of "if you have to ask" it's not for you.

[Thailand Tiger]

hi , does any one have any info on some popular hedge funds operating in asia , has any one used this investment instruments , if so , what are the returns on these asian hedge funds compared to the ones in western markets ,

any info would be highly appreciated ,

Don't let all these ill-informed doom and gloom people get you down. Hedge funds are a perfectly valid vehicle when you want an alternative to simply going long on equities. In a volatile or falling market, they are the best tool in your arsenal as they can trade volatility (tell me how a traditional long equities fund can compete with that?).

As for "if you have to ask, it's not for you". What rubbish. Educating yourself and making informed decisions begins right here...asking questions. You only have to get one good lead on a reputable and good performing manager to reap the rewards. The questions cost you nothing other than your time.

As for me. Investing has become all about risk management....maximising exposure, but at the same time making sure I won't be forced to sell into a down market. If you have the right holdings, they will always grow long term...it's about being able to ride it long term. The day the market goes into a permanent decline is the day or species goes into decline.

I've done well from diversifying outside of Australia (my country of origin), but I still prefer to do it through Australian based fund managers as I have less concerns regarding the integrity of their operations and I have the ASIC protections. I also have the advantage of only one tax regime to worry about. As a non-resident Australian, I'm not liable for capital gains tax on my managed funds and equities. This also keeps administration costs (not to mention effort) to a minimum.

As for funds or fund managers to look at; Try K2 Asset Management http://www.k2am.com.au/ I haven't invested with them as yet as their redemption policy has created a small hurdle for me. They have a minimum investment of AUD$20,000 (Not the $1million suggested by for a previous poster). Their K2 Australian Absolute Return Fund has done just over 20%pa over the last 7 years without the volatility of many other funds.

You can often get a lead on fund managers by checking their performance and ratings on Morningstar http://www.morningstar.com.au/MSToolsMain/FundResults.asp

Take as long as you feel you need to learn more about your options and watch the performance of funds you're interested in even if you're already fully invested elsewhere. It'll make it easier to make informed decisions when the time comes.

Best of luck.

[esbobes]

Most hedge funds require a minimum of like a million dollars.

Esbobes Headge Fund reguires only 1/2 million dollars.

Returned should be about 400 per cent this year. Extra 20 per cent will be paid if you live in Thailand and have Thai wife or Thai girl friend from Issan

Edited August 4, 2007 by esbobes

[AmericanGuy1066]

Don't let all these ill-informed doom and gloom people get you down. Hedge funds are a perfectly valid vehicle when you want an alternative to simply going long on equities. In a volatile or falling market, they are the best tool in your arsenal as they can trade volatility (tell me how a traditional long equities fund can compete with that?).

As for "if you have to ask, it's not for you". What rubbish. Educating yourself and making informed decisions begins right here...asking questions. You only have to get one good lead on a reputable and good performing manager to reap the rewards. The questions cost you nothing other than your time.

As for me. Investing has become all about risk management....maximising exposure, but at the same time making sure I won't be forced to sell into a down market. If you have the right holdings, they will always grow long term...it's about being able to ride it long term. The day the market goes into a permanent decline is the day or species goes into decline.

I've done well from diversifying outside of Australia (my country of origin), but I still prefer to do it through Australian based fund managers as I have less concerns regarding the integrity of their operations and I have the ASIC protections. I also have the advantage of only one tax regime to worry about. As a non-resident Australian, I'm not liable for capital gains tax on my managed funds and equities. This also keeps administration costs (not to mention effort) to a minimum.

As for funds or fund managers to look at; Try K2 Asset Management http://www.k2am.com.au/ I haven't invested with them as yet as their redemption policy has created a small hurdle for me. They have a minimum investment of AUD$20,000 (Not the $1million suggested by for a previous poster). Their K2 Australian Absolute Return Fund has done just over 20%pa over the last 7 years without the volatility of many other funds.

You can often get a lead on fund managers by checking their performance and ratings on Morningstar http://www.morningstar.com.au/MSToolsMain/FundResults.asp

Take as long as you feel you need to learn more about your options and watch the performance of funds you're interested in even if you're already fully invested elsewhere. It'll make it easier to make informed decisions when the time comes.

Best of luck.

You do realise that the funds K2 funds you mention are not hedge funds. They are investment funds in mainly equities that do some hedging. There is a massive difference. Morningstart also deal in mutual funds/unit trusts/investment funds. These again are not hedgefunds

Hedge funds are usually open only to accredited investors, because they're usually outside regulatory jursidictions. As they're outside regulatory restrictions, you could find a hedge fund specialising in a particular geography located in any part of the world. Accredited investors usually must have above a large minimum. Lowest I have seen has been around 200k. They invest in a much wider range of financial instruments, not just equities, but also commodoties, derivatives, currencies.

I'd suggest you look first at basic mutual funds, and other safer investments, before dipping your toes into high risk instruments. People going for hedgefunds usually have a wide range of assets behind them first, so can afford the extra risk. Anyone with experience f hedge funds would simply be able to ask who they got them from for specific types of risk.

Would also suggest you google dictionary.com or wikipedia etc to understand what it is you're looking at.

[Thailand Tiger]

Morningstar is a ratings agency. Not unlike Standard & Poors. http://www.morningstar.com.au simply provides data for managed funds including their (Morningstar) ratings, historical performance, etc.

[sleepyjohn]

THere are certainly ways to expose yourself for smaller sums.

I was givena tour of a major hedge fund of funds over four years ago. I noticed how the funds under management were growing at an enormous rate. I decided it would be more and more difficult to find inefficiencies to profit from as they owned more and mroe of the market. That and a bit of concern about a "hedge fund cataclysm" kept me out. It turned out true that the returns have indeed got much smaller. They have still been quite worthwhile however. There were also layers of commission and am not that sorry I wasn't in. I believe off the top of my head there is now 1.75TRILLION with a T in these funds. I believe they are having a real effect on normal market behaviour.

I'm waffling.

If I were you I wouldn't put much in and be aware that there is a substantial withholding from profits in Australia, NZ, and Canada for non residents....not US or UK if you do it right.

Edited August 5, 2007 by sleepyjohn

[Naam]

Hedge funds are usually open only to accredited investors, because they're usually outside regulatory jursidictions

dozens of hedge funds are nowadays publicly dealt at exchanges and accesible with rather moderate minimum amounts to invest. moderate of course is a relative expression. i am talking about €UR and USD 50k. in olden times it was twenty-fold.

[harrycallahan]

Hedge funds are usually open only to accredited investors, because they're usually outside regulatory jursidictions

dozens of hedge funds are nowadays publicly dealt at exchanges and accesible with rather moderate minimum amounts to invest. moderate of course is a relative expression. i am talking about €UR and USD 50k. in olden times it was twenty-fold.

EBI lists on the Australian ASX. It's a Babcock & Brown administered investment vehicle. They invest in various hedge funds and similar, an example of how to get indirect exposure to hedged investments. Minimum amount required is the minimum required to trade on the exchange i.e. $500. They have fallen a lot through the recent sub-prime woes though have just posted that they were not overly exposed to the losses and even say they are very well positioned for the future. Based on passed div's they are very good return for a listed company (IF they continue to pay similar div in the future).