Popular Post webfact Posted January 29, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 29, 2014 Kiat's letter to UN OHCHR Regional OfficeKiat Sittheeamorn, Chairman of Foreign Affairs Committee, Democrat Party, wrote and submitted a letter to Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights's Southeast Asian regional office.OHCHR Regional Office for South-East AsiaAttention: Ms. Matilda Bogner, Regional RepresentativeSubject: A factual account on the current people’s uprising in ThailandDear Ms. Bogner,With regard to the ongoing people’s uprising in Thailand and various occurrences of violent incidentsduring the past three months, the Democrat Party of Thailand deems it necessary to explain to the domestic and the international community the facts related to the violent incidents and the misconduct on the part of the government under the leadership of Ms. Yingluck Shinawatra over the past 2 years that triggered the popular protests of the people as follows:1. The targets of violent attacks have been the members of the People’s Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC) and of the Student and People Network for Thailand’s Reform (STR) as well as innocent protesters and volunteer guards. These violent attacks include:1.1. Hand grenades thrown at the volunteer guards in front of the Ministry of Finance on 6December 2013.1.2. The house of a PDRC leader, Mr. SatitWongnongtoey, was shot at.1.3. The breaking of glass windows at the house of Miss Anchalee Paireerak, another key PDRC member.1.4. The sniper attacks from a building close to the demonstration area near the Thai-Japanese Stadium on 26 December 2013, resulted in 2 deaths and several injuries.1.5. On 17 January 2014, a hand grenade was thrown at the demonstrators marching along theBantadtong road behind the Supachalasai Sports Stadium and killed one demonstrator and injuredseveral innocent protestors.1.6. Most recently, on 19 January 2014, a hand grenade was thrown at protesters gathering at the Victory Monument, causing injuries to 28 protesters including one journalist.1.7. The Democrat Party and its key members have also been subject to the following attacks:? - random gunshots at the residence of Mr. Chuan Leekpai, the former Prime Minister and the Chairman of the Advisory Board of the Party on31 December 2013,? - gunshots at the Democrat Party’s Headquarters on 13 January2014, shattering several glass panels.- a M26 hand grenade was thrown into the house of Mr. Abhisit Vejjajiva, Leader of the Democrat Party, on 14 January 2014.1.8 On 16 January 2014, a M26 hand grenade was thrown at the famed Suan Pakkad Palace on Si Ayutthaya Road, home of Bangkok GovernorSukhumbhand Paribatra.1.9 On 26 January 2014, Suthin Thararin, a protest leader of the PDRC, was shot dead while giving a speech in front of Sri Eiam Temple, while other 9 innocent protestors wounded.1.10 Most recently on 29 January 2014 at 03.50 hrs, a M79 grenade launcher was used againstthe protestors at Ladprao causing one casualty and damages to vehicles nearby.It is important to stress that intimidations and violent acts were used against the Democrat Party even before the beginning of the demonstration led by the PDRC. At more than 60 public rallies and stage-talks held by the Democrat Party during the past 2 years, members of the Red Shirts linked toPheu Thai Party often obstructed access or surrounding areas, threatening attendees and supporters and using abusive verbal attacks. Sometimes, sling shots were used against attendantsand key DP members.It is clear that all of the above-mentionedintimidations and violent acts against the members of PDRC, the STR or the personnel and property of the Democrat Party were solely aimed at those opposing to the government. So far, the law enforcement authorities have not been able to arrest the culprits or prevent any recurrences of such violent acts.2. The Pheu Thai-led Government under the leadership of Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra isallegedly the most corrupted government in the country's history, both in terms of the numbers of projects formulated to enable systemic corruption and the amount of money concerned. A classicexample is the infamous Rice Pledging Scheme, thePheu Thai Party's flagship election campaign project,which has incurred unprecedented losses of more than 400 billion baht while only a handful of farmers actually reaped benefit from it. In this regard, the National Counter Corruption Commission (NCCC) has already pressed charges against those involved in this corruption-prone scheme. The NCCC has also started an investigation on Ms. Yingluck herself based on her involvement as the chairperson of the National Rice Committee that approved the flawed implementation plan, despite warnings from all parties including the NCCC.3. The Pheu Thai Government, under theleadership of Ms Yingluck Shinawatra, kept onrepeating and insisting on having the mandate from the majority voters following the election victory.However, it has time and again abused its legal power, not observing the rule of law, violated several articles of the constitution and deliberately ignored the spirit and basic principle of democracy. These acts are clearly not the mandate given by the people.The government attempted on numerous occasions to force the draft amnesty bill through the parliament to exonerate their Red Shirt supporters from all criminal charges on their violent protests in 2010 and whitewash all corruption cases of her brother, Thaksin, which violated Thai Constitution and several UN Conventions, Charters and Agreements. They also tried to amend theConstitution (B.E. 2550) concerning the compositionand qualification of the Senate to allow political parties to assert their influence on them. This draft amendment was later ruled by the Constitutional Court as unconstitutional. Moreover, the due process in considering the draft amendment in the Parliament was also found unlawful by the Court. There wereclear evidences of some unethical and illegalelectronic voting by members of Pheu Thai Partysuch as voting on behalf of absentee colleagues.Furthermore, the Chairman of the Parliamentdenied the rights of the 51 MPs from the opposition parties to deliberate the draft, violating Article 68 of the Constitution. After the Court's verdict, the PheuThai Party publicly denounced the Court's judgment. By rejecting the jurisdiction and the verdict of the Court that was established to hold the executive and legislative branches accountable, the Pheu Thai party and the government have actually violated the constitution and therefore lost the legitimacy to govern this democratic nation.It is equally important to note that the Constitution Court judges and their families have, on several occasions, been subject to pressures and intimidations by members of the Red-Shirts linked to the government and the Pheu Thai Party. As a result, one judge resigned from his chairmanship position, not to mention the possible adverse effect on theother judges. Even so, Yingluck still publiclyendorsed these actions and implied that it was their rights under the constitution.In summary, all the above account of factual records show that the Government and the ruling parties have clearly been involved in a number of misconducts, violations, abuses of power & minority rights and unprecedented corruption cases. At the same time, all violent attacks and intimidations haveprimarily been targeted against those opposing to the government's views or actions. These are the main reasons why the people have taken to the street to protest against this Government. Since Prime Minister Yingluck and some Cabinet Ministers have frequently and intentionally given interviews that aredistorted and sometimes the complete opposite of the truth, the Democrat Party feels obliged to issue this statement to offer more accurate accounts and ensure better understanding of the situation.Sincerely yours,Democrat Party of ThailandKiat SittheeamornChairman of Foreign Affairs Committee -- The Nation 2014-01-29 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suriya4 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 English mail writing services in great need right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaze Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 (edited) pathetic the Nation is digging pretty deep - trying to keep their agenda on track- Becasuse the Nation has so blatantly supported the protests- could they fear that as the protest fizzles out, they will have lost a lot of credibility? Maybe publishing crap like this is a desperate attempt not just to 'win'-- but to survive. Edited January 29, 2014 by blaze 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post theslime Posted January 29, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 29, 2014 And that is why I choose the Dems, over the Thaksinista,s. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post blaze Posted January 29, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 29, 2014 And that is why I choose the Dems, over the Thaksinista,s. Great- Feb 2nd go vote for them... put your support into action. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post winstonc Posted January 29, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 29, 2014 he didnt need to write that.....they already know whats going on... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JoeThePoster Posted January 29, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 29, 2014 Dear UN, I love and miss you so much. Now I have big pomprem. I tell you before that my buffalo me sick. Now it die. Fall down dead in middle of big rice field. but, when it fall, it land on Papa and break him leg in three places. Now he not work. Brother me make stretcher from bamboo he take from loof of house. Now roof collapse and rain get in house. Brother she take Papa to hospital on motocycle. She have accident coming home. Run into police car. Brother me to blame. Police say we have to pay big money. Motocycle OK. Police car no good. Now give Mama have heart pomprem. Doctor say she need triple bypass. I not understand what is, he say you know. If you not help me I have to go with many, many farang to pay bill. The old people in my village say it all your fault. If you give me money buy medicine for sick buffalo when I ask you, then it not die, Papa not break leg, house still have loof, brother not ride into police car and Mama not have heart pomprem. Please send for me 200,000 baht for my bank. Papa fix: 10,000, new loof:30,000, New police car 100,000: Mama fix:50,000. I take off 2,000 bht for sell buffalo meat, but have to pay more hospital bill for 24 people have pomprem eat no good meat – 12,000bht. I not know money England but my friend me say it about 3,059,875 baht. This mean you send me 65,000 English money. Big money for me, little money for you. I love you too mutt long time. Thailan 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winstonc Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 pathetic the Nation is digging pretty deep - trying to keep their agenda on track- Becasuse the Nation has so blatantly supported the protests- could they fear that as the protest fizzles out, they will have lost a lot of credibility? Maybe publishing crap like this is a desperate attempt to 'win'-- They won't. they are rubbish but isnt it their job to publish an open letter ..me thinks yes..and you know it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo the Face Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 (edited) pathetic the Nation is digging pretty deep - trying to keep their agenda on track- Becasuse the Nation has so blatantly supported the protests- could they fear that as the protest fizzles out, they will have lost a lot of credibility? Maybe publishing crap like this is a desperate attempt not just to 'win'-- but to survive. You respond pathetic, but I don't see statement from you saying it is all untrue. Do you agree or disagree that these incidents happened or not. Edited January 29, 2014 by Gonzo the Face 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
love1012 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Looks very sensible to me - by the way February 2nd I can vote - how many of YOU can really CHANGE ANYTHING HERE? OH............and no one will be buying MY vote - I will be giving it freelyto the side i see as the best choice. Very sad voters in the Northeast will be shepherded into the voting booths and watched. IM THAI I KNOW!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post pipkins Posted January 29, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 29, 2014 Dreadful pittyful article obviously for home consumption. I love that these lunatics think they can teach real people in real organisations outside of Thailand that fascism is ok, because they are nice rich people and it's for the good of the poor farmers etc. Won't go anywhere with this and that is a fact. I too heard a girl on skype (in pattaya) tell one of her falangs that she was in bangkok but cost money for her to stay there etc. the old sap was, "yes darling good you support fight against thaksin I send you some more" Honey, I fight for my country, but cannot afford eat or somewhere too sleep. Funny that the boyfriend was not only deluded about Suthep, he was totally in the dark about her. Looked good later in the evening outside Lucifers though. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draftvader Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Dear UN He did it. He did it. He did it. He did it. He did it. He did it. He did it. He did it. He did it. He did it. He did it. He did it. Him. Him. Him. Kiat 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaze Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 pathetic the Nation is digging pretty deep - trying to keep their agenda on track- Becasuse the Nation has so blatantly supported the protests- could they fear that as the protest fizzles out, they will have lost a lot of credibility? Maybe publishing crap like this is a desperate attempt to 'win'-- They won't. they are rubbish but isnt it their job to publish an open letter ..me thinks yes..and you know it... No- I don't think it is unless those letters are in the letters to the editor section. This is a letter selected because it supports the Nation's editorial position- and you know it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snig27 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Pretty strong indication that you don't need a grasp on realpolitik or reality to rise up in the Dems. It's semi-literate and seems to assume that the UN are interested in the sort rambling nonsense that goes for political discourse in their world. The only thing the UN is interested in is the result of the election. So, I wonder how the Dems are going to do? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lungmi Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Dear UN, I love and miss you so much. Now I have big pomprem. I tell you before that my buffalo me sick. Now it die. Fall down dead in middle of big rice field. but, when it fall, it land on Papa and break him leg in three places. Now he not work. Brother me make stretcher from bamboo he take from loof of house. Now roof collapse and rain get in house. Brother she take Papa to hospital on motocycle. She have accident coming home. Run into police car. Brother me to blame. Police say we have to pay big money. Motocycle OK. Police car no good. Now give Mama have heart pomprem. Doctor say she need triple bypass. I not understand what is, he say you know. If you not help me I have to go with many, many farang to pay bill. The old people in my village say it all your fault. If you give me money buy medicine for sick buffalo when I ask you, then it not die, Papa not break leg, house still have loof, brother not ride into police car and Mama not have heart pomprem. Please send for me 200,000 baht for my bank. Papa fix: 10,000, new loof:30,000, New police car 100,000: Mama fix:50,000. I take off 2,000 bht for sell buffalo meat, but have to pay more hospital bill for 24 people have pomprem eat no good meat – 12,000bht. I not know money England but my friend me say it about 3,059,875 baht. This mean you send me 65,000 English money. Big money for me, little money for you. I love you too mutt long time. Thailan Letter to Thaksin too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post blaze Posted January 29, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 29, 2014 (edited) Looks very sensible to me - by the way February 2nd I can vote - how many of YOU can really CHANGE ANYTHING HERE? OH............and no one will be buying MY vote - I will be giving it freelyto the side i see as the best choice. Very sad voters in the Northeast will be shepherded into the voting booths and watched. IM THAI I KNOW!! I'm confused- you support the position of the letter writer- who comes from a party that demands that you NOT vote- supported by demos seeking to deny your right to vote-- and yet you plan to defy them and go vote anyway. And you seem to support the demos having permitted yhou that right by shutting down polling stations. You know why foreigners say thai logic is-- uhh- different? Maybe your thinking is emblematic of much of the problems in YOUR country. Edited January 29, 2014 by blaze 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonneke breda Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Dear UN, I love and miss you so much. Now I have big pomprem. I tell you before that my buffalo me sick. Now it die. Fall down dead in middle of big rice field. but, when it fall, it land on Papa and break him leg in three places. Now he not work. Brother me make stretcher from bamboo he take from loof of house. Now roof collapse and rain get in house. Brother she take Papa to hospital on motocycle. She have accident coming home. Run into police car. Brother me to blame. Police say we have to pay big money. Motocycle OK. Police car no good. Now give Mama have heart pomprem. Doctor say she need triple bypass. I not understand what is, he say you know. If you not help me I have to go with many, many farang to pay bill. The old people in my village say it all your fault. If you give me money buy medicine for sick buffalo when I ask you, then it not die, Papa not break leg, house still have loof, brother not ride into police car and Mama not have heart pomprem. Please send for me 200,000 baht for my bank. Papa fix: 10,000, new loof:30,000, New police car 100,000: Mama fix:50,000. I take off 2,000 bht for sell buffalo meat, but have to pay more hospital bill for 24 people have pomprem eat no good meat – 12,000bht. I not know money England but my friend me say it about 3,059,875 baht. This mean you send me 65,000 English money. Big money for me, little money for you. I love you too mutt long time. Thailan The best laugh since Chalerm beheaded himself…. great piece of journalism. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theslime Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 And that is why I choose the Dems, over the Thaksinista,s. Great- Feb 2nd go vote for them... put your support into action. All ready to take a truck load to vote for Suthep,whats your plan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theslime Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Looks very sensible to me - by the way February 2nd I can vote - how many of YOU can really CHANGE ANYTHING HERE? OH............and no one will be buying MY vote - I will be giving it freelyto the side i see as the best choice. Very sad voters in the Northeast will be shepherded into the voting booths and watched. IM THAI I KNOW!! I'm confused- you support the position of the letter writer- who comes from a party that demands that you NOT vote- supported by demos seeking to deny your right to vote-- and yet you plan to defy them and go vote anyway. And you seem to support the demos having permitted yhou that right by shutting down polling stations. You know why foreigners say thai logic is-- uhh- different? Maybe your thinking is emblematic of much of the problems in YOUR country. as you admit you are confused,please allow me to set you straight.The Opposistion have no chance of winning the election, because the Northern masses are sucked in by populist policys and only vote for the money not for Democracy. Start spreading the News. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesalias Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 It would be much easier if they stopped wearing Nazi T-shirts, for starters. Just to get some international support for their cause. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaze Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 And that is why I choose the Dems, over the Thaksinista,s. Great- Feb 2nd go vote for them... put your support into action. All ready to take a truck load to vote for Suthep,whats your plan? you are planning to vote for Suthep on Feb 2nd.? Why are you on this forum? Just one more opportunity to look like a raving idiot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaze Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 (edited) Looks very sensible to me - by the way February 2nd I can vote - how many of YOU can really CHANGE ANYTHING HERE? OH............and no one will be buying MY vote - I will be giving it freelyto the side i see as the best choice. Very sad voters in the Northeast will be shepherded into the voting booths and watched. IM THAI I KNOW!! I'm confused- you support the position of the letter writer- who comes from a party that demands that you NOT vote- supported by demos seeking to deny your right to vote-- and yet you plan to defy them and go vote anyway. And you seem to support the demos having permitted yhou that right by shutting down polling stations. You know why foreigners say thai logic is-- uhh- different? Maybe your thinking is emblematic of much of the problems in YOUR country. as you admit you are confused,please allow me to set you straight.The Opposistion have no chance of winning the election, because the Northern masses are sucked in by populist policys and only vote for the money not for Democracy. Start spreading the News. Sorry- still confused== there is no significant opposition running in this election. The demos that you apparantly support, will harass you should you even try to vote. Yet you support the right of the demos to deny you your right to vote? And then go on to say that you intend to defy the fascists and vote anyway- while finding common cause with those who seek to deny your rigtht to do so. The word 'crazy' mean anything to you? Edited January 29, 2014 by blaze 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaze Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 (edited) as you admit you are confused,please allow me to set you straight.The Opposistion have no chance of winning the election, because the Northern masses are sucked in by populist policys and only vote for the money not for Democracy. Start spreading the News. Uh huh. And you know of societies where voting is not based on self interest do you? Let me guess- Heaven- in Heaven people vote selflessly-- right? Dangerous thinking jonestown boy. Edited January 29, 2014 by blaze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 pathetic the Nation is digging pretty deep - trying to keep their agenda on track- Becasuse the Nation has so blatantly supported the protests- could they fear that as the protest fizzles out, they will have lost a lot of credibility? Maybe publishing crap like this is a desperate attempt not just to 'win'-- but to survive. Mind you, theNation also published the announcements of caretaker MoFA and ex-CAPO chief Surapong on "so many country supports us" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muntergok Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Looks very sensible to me - by the way February 2nd I can vote - how many of YOU can really CHANGE ANYTHING HERE? OH............and no one will be buying MY vote - I will be giving it freelyto the side i see as the best choice. Very sad voters in the Northeast will be shepherded into the voting booths and watched. IM THAI I KNOW!! Your Thai so you must know. I hope Sunday you can vote, for your best choice. Sadly Mr Abhisit The Democratic Party Suthip and The PDRC do not want Thais and good clever people like yourself to have that right. They will be doing there best to take your right to vote away from you. I wish you all the best in standing up for your rights against these madmen. Stand firm and make sure your vote is respected Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Thailand 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 as you admit you are confused,please allow me to set you straight.The Opposistion have no chance of winning the election, because the Northern masses are sucked in by populist policys and only vote for the money not for Democracy. Start spreading the News. Uh huh. And you know of societies where voting is not based on self interest do you? Let me guess- Heaven- in Heaven people vote selflessly-- right? Dangerous thinking jonestown boy. A lesson in democratic principles seems in order. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaze Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 (edited) pathetic the Nation is digging pretty deep - trying to keep their agenda on track- Becasuse the Nation has so blatantly supported the protests- could they fear that as the protest fizzles out, they will have lost a lot of credibility? Maybe publishing crap like this is a desperate attempt not just to 'win'-- but to survive. Mind you, theNation also published the announcements of caretaker MoFA and ex-CAPO chief Surapong on "so many country supports us" You think that publishing a decontextualized two line quote from a gov't official is the same as publishing a political tract from a nobody? What next- The Nation as the voice of reason and impartiality? Truth and Reason? C'mon Rubl- you are smart- I know that but you know full well that the Nation is devoted to the establishment.- and their publishing this boring crap just proves what most know. (regardless of color divide) Edited January 29, 2014 by blaze 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaze Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 (edited) as you admit you are confused,please allow me to set you straight.The Opposistion have no chance of winning the election, because the Northern masses are sucked in by populist policys and only vote for the money not for Democracy. Start spreading the News. Uh huh. And you know of societies where voting is not based on self interest do you? Let me guess- Heaven- in Heaven people vote selflessly-- right? Dangerous thinking jonestown boy. A lesson in democratic principles seems in order. And again I ask- name a society where the citizens do NOT vote on the basis of self interest?" O wait- I get it- the society where people don't vote is the society that people do not vote for self interest. That explains your reasoning- deny the vote and you will get rid of that most horrible aspect of electoral democrary- self interest. WOW. Edited January 29, 2014 by blaze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 pathetic the Nation is digging pretty deep - trying to keep their agenda on track- Becasuse the Nation has so blatantly supported the protests- could they fear that as the protest fizzles out, they will have lost a lot of credibility? Maybe publishing crap like this is a desperate attempt not just to 'win'-- but to survive. Mind you, theNation also published the announcements of caretaker MoFA and ex-CAPO chief Surapong on "so many country supports us" You think that publishing a decontextualized two line quote from a gov't official is the same as publishing a political tract from a nobody? What next- The Nation as the voice of reason and impartiality? Truth and Reason? C'mon Rubl- you are smart- I know that but you know full well that the Nation is devoted to the establishment.- and their publishing this boring crap just proves what most know. (regardless of color divide) TheNation just published the full text of private citizen Noppadon's letter to the UN. What more do you want? http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/700395-noppadons-letter-to-un-sec-gen/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 as you admit you are confused,please allow me to set you straight.The Opposistion have no chance of winning the election, because the Northern masses are sucked in by populist policys and only vote for the money not for Democracy. Start spreading the News. Uh huh. And you know of societies where voting is not based on self interest do you? Let me guess- Heaven- in Heaven people vote selflessly-- right? Dangerous thinking jonestown boy. A lesson in democratic principles seems in order. And again I ask- name a society where the citizens do NOT vote on the basis of self interest?" O wait- I get it- the society where people don't vote is the society that people do not vote for self interest. That explains your reasoning- deny the vote and you will get rid of that most horrible aspect of electoral democrary- self interest. WOW. Answer: Utopia. Now back to reality, there is a difference between the level of 'self-interest' shown by voters in Western countries and the level of 'self-interest' shown here. North Korea is a bit extreme example of the 'self-interest' shown by voters, but poor people here completely reliant on the good will of their local overlords are in a not so much different position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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