Russian President Vladimir Putin announced that he would order an immediate ceasefire in Ukraine if Kyiv agreed to withdraw troops from the four regions occupied and annexed by Russia in 2022 and renounce its NATO membership aspirations. This statement was made during a speech at the Russian Foreign Ministry in Moscow on Friday.

 

Putin described this proposal as a "final resolution" to the conflict, emphasizing that it would bring about unity between Russia and Ukraine, as well as with Europe more broadly. He asserted the Kremlin's readiness to start negotiations without delay.

 

“We will do it immediately,” Putin stated, suggesting that such an agreement would prevent the conflict from being frozen and instead provide a lasting solution. There was no immediate response from Kyiv. Ukraine remains firm on its NATO membership ambitions and insists on the withdrawal of Russian troops from all occupied territories.

 

Putin's remarks coincided with a meeting of G7 leaders in Italy, where a €46 billion loan package for Ukraine was agreed upon. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy also signed a 10-year security agreement with US President Joe Biden.

 

Switzerland is set to host a conference aimed at outlining steps towards peace in Ukraine, drawing from Zelenskyy's 10-point peace formula introduced in late 2022. This conference seeks to rally international support and present a unified front against Russian aggression.

 

Background on the Conflict

Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine began in February 2022. After failing to capture Kyiv, the conflict has predominantly focused on the southern and eastern border regions of Ukraine. Despite Russia's annexation claims, it does not fully control any of the four regions (Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia, and Kherson). Putin's demands include the complete withdrawal of Ukrainian forces from these regions and their cession to Russia.

In Zaporizhzhia, Russian forces do not control the regional capital, and in Kherson, they withdrew from the city of Kherson in November 2022.

 

Reactions and Implications

The proposal by Putin comes at a critical juncture, as Ukraine continues to garner significant international support, both militarily and economically. The G7's financial support and the security pact with the US highlight the global community's commitment to Ukraine's sovereignty and defense.

 

While Putin’s offer might appear as a pathway to peace, it essentially demands significant territorial concessions and a major shift in Ukraine’s foreign policy, which Kyiv is unlikely to accept without considerable pressure or significant concessions from Russia. The ongoing international efforts to support Ukraine and the planned peace conference in Switzerland underscore a continued push for a resolution that does not compromise Ukraine's territorial integrity or sovereignty.

 

Credit: EURO News 2024-06-14

 

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Putin's obviously desperate.

He sees the writing on the wall. 

Ukraine can't possibly agree to this.

Putin's game is to fuel maga fascist types who actually take such proposals seriously. 

if zelensky agreed putin would just rebuild and get ready for the final invasion... no deal--no brainer

23 minutes ago, Social Media said:

emphasizing that it would bring about unity between Russia and Ukraine

 

What the hell is he smoking? Unity with a country that he is still in the process of invading, while demanding he keeps his land grab?

Is it April the 1st, Putin will lose Crimea in the next 6 months and he knows it, the bridge will be destroyed whenever Ukraine is ready

It is obvious for everyone who is able to think little deep that this offer been made to be declined.

Zelensky would answer: "Okay Vlad, we will do what you will say". Really?

No, it is designed to be declined.

The media is not quoting the main phrase from this statement. It sounds like "later the conditions will be other".

I think that after some more thousands of lost lifes and some more of lost territory we will face another offer, with more bad conditions.

 

Edited June 14, 20242 yr by VBer

The offer is so incredibly disingenuous that we haven't even had one useful idiot for Putin endorse it. Yet.

The proposal by Putin comes at a critical juncture, as Ukraine continues to garner significant international support, both militarily and economically. The G7's financial support and the security pact with the US highlight the global community's commitment to Ukraine's sovereignty and defense.

 

This here is the real problem. The collective west (including the G7) thinks they are the global community. Fact is most of the world don’t care what happens in Ukraine and Europe. The more trouble and chaos, the better for the rest of the world to grow and prosper. The more money the collective west throws into Ukraine, the less they will have to compete economically on the world stage. 
 

India and China are probably hoping for a forever war.

So, Ukraine will give away the land. But also can't join a a NATO. That would prevent Russia from taking more land in the future.

 

Which reminds me:

 

Ukraine agreed to give up its nuclear weapons as part of the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances, signed on December 5, 1994. This agreement was also signed by Russia, the United States, and the United Kingdom. In exchange signatories pledged to respect Ukraine's territorial integrity and sovereignty. 😄

 

Are they ready to sign another one of these? 😄

6 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

This here is the real problem. The collective west (including the G7) thinks they are the global community. Fact is most of the world don’t care what happens in Ukraine and Europe. The more trouble and chaos, the better for the rest of the world to grow and prosper. The more money the collective west throws into Ukraine, the less they will have to compete economically on the world stage. 
 

India and China are probably hoping for a forever war.

Agree 100%. This farce is playing into China's hands.

8 hours ago, VBer said:

I think that after some more thousands of lost lifes and some more of lost territory we will face another offer, with more bad conditions.

They certainly won't be better conditions and Ukraine will even more destroyed with more widows and fatherless children.

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

They certainly won't be better conditions and Ukraine will even more destroyed with more widows and fatherless children.

Pushing Kremlin propaganda yet again. 

Putin doesn't want peace. But he wants the world to think he wants peace.

The useful idiots for Putin will buy anything he dishes out. 

As always, he wants to completely erase Ukraine, either swallowing it completely or making it a slave state of Russia (like Belarus). 

He's weaker than ever, that's why he made this BS offer.

 

 

In 1938, Hitler promised peace, if the UK and France convinced Czechoslovakia to cede territory to Germany and the UK/France did not sign a pact with Russia.

In 2024 Putin promised 'peace' if Ukraine ceded territory to Russia and did not sign a pact with NATO.

 

Sound familiar?

3 minutes ago, Tropicalevo said:

In 1938, Hitler promised peace, if the UK and France convinced Czechoslovakia to cede territory to Germany and the UK/France did not sign a pact with Russia.

In 2024 Putin promised 'peace' if Ukraine ceded territory to Russia and did not sign a pact with NATO.

 

Sound familiar?

LOL. Hitler lost. If he had nuclear weapons would he have lost?

 

Different times, different scenario.

6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. Hitler lost. If he had nuclear weapons would he have lost?

 

Different times, different scenario.

Yes, he would have lost, the same if Putin used nuclear weapons, he would lose within seconds

36 minutes ago, Tropicalevo said:

In 1938, Hitler promised peace, if the UK and France convinced Czechoslovakia to cede territory to Germany and the UK/France did not sign a pact with Russia.

In 2024 Putin promised 'peace' if Ukraine ceded territory to Russia and did not sign a pact with NATO.

 

Sound familiar?

Not really.

NATO did not exist in 1938 for one. 

One thing signing a cease fire would do that is VERY valuable is that it would give Europe a chance to rearm.  The vast majority of NATO countries spend pennies on defense. They have been relying on the US far too much to protect them. This is what Trump was pointing out during his presidency, and the lazy Euros got all stroppish. I mean, Europe has a GDP more than 10 times that of Russia. The idea that they cannot defend themselves against Russia is lunacy. They could do it, but just dont want to. 

All this talk about “useful idiots” for Putin.  Nonsense.  
 

Some of us realize that people in the West have been fed a constant stream of propaganda for years. Almost nonstop.  A narrative that demonizes Russia, demonizes Putin, and is designed to keep the war machine fully funded. And if it’s not Putin, it’s “terrorists.” Although the West has had one failure after another, and the death of the dollar is becoming more and more of a real concern, no one stops to question the narrative.  The money keeps flowin, so the war machine is happy. Anyone who questions the narrative is labeled one of Putin’s “useful idiots.”

 

I guess the non-stop propaganda works. 
 

I once spent six years or so living inside the Beltway. I’ve seen how DC works. The place is flooded with lobbyists and defense contractors.  And they love nothing more than a continuous and increasing flow of money. They don’t care how many millions of people die, they only care about more and more money.  
 

Immediately after 9/11, I never saw so many giddy people.  They were elated at the prospect of new government contracts to fight “terrorism.”  That’s all anyone could talk about. More money.

 

Unfortunately, Russia isn’t some small country. It’s not Panama, or Iraq, or Haiti.  It’s a major power with more nukes than the U.S. And if they perceive an existential security threat, I don’t doubt for a second that they might well defend themselves by any means necessary.

 

Normally, I don’t pay much attention to a lot of the nonsense that goes on in the world. But this situation is different. The U.S. and NATO are sleepwalking into WWIII, and all most people can do is regurgitate Neocon propaganda. Anyway, I’m not quite ready to be dead. 
 

 

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. Hitler lost. If he had nuclear weapons would he have lost?

 

Different times, different scenario.

If the west had stopped Hitler (and Stalin) at the early Poland phase WW2 could have probably have been avoided.

Putin like Hitler respects one thing. Force.

Apparently Europe have agreed to use frozen russian financial assets to rebuild Ukraine, $50Billion+,  Only right Russia pays for the damage caused, plus compensate all families, plus loss of GDP

Edited June 15, 20242 yr by scubascuba3

41 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

If the west had stopped Hitler (and Stalin) at the early Poland phase WW2 could have probably have been avoided.

Putin like Hitler respects one thing. Force.

Here’s your problem:  you seem to really think that the West can somehow use “force” to stop Putin.  It cannot.  Not on the ground with traditional forces. It doesn’t have the manpower. It doesn’t have equipment in place, and even with the help of other NATO countries, it will fail. The only thing that force will do at  this point is to bring the world closer to nuclear war.  And then no one wins.  We all lose. How does that make any sense?

 

The Us has no business fooling around in Ukraine, but that’s what has been happening for years.  Whether or not Ukraine is a member of NATO shouldn’t be of such importance that we start WWIII over the issue. And no, Russia does not want to reassemble the old Soviet Union.  They just about went bankrupt trying to control all those countries prior to its dissolution, and it doesn’t want to try that again. All they want is no NATO on their doorstep. Seems reasonable to me. No different than in 1962 when President Kennedy wouldn’t stand for Russian missiles in Cuba. Despite what the Neocons want everyone to believe, territorial nation states are still a thing, as are spheres of influence. 

3 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

Apparently Europe have agreed to use frozen russian financial assets to rebuild Ukraine, $50Billion+

This ill thought out action will  only speed up other countries desire to join the BRICS  and demise of the petrodollar.

 

11 hours ago, Jingthing said:

If the west had stopped Hitler (and Stalin) at the early Poland phase WW2 could have probably have been avoided.

Putin like Hitler respects one thing. Force.

You are correct. Only one problem with that- the west wasn't capable of doing that. Hitler defeated France easily, defeated the British, and almost captured the army. America wasn't in the war and wasn't going to be till Hitler declared war on them post Pearl Harbour.

 

Sooooo, just how do you imagine the "west" would have stopped Hitler?

47 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You are correct. Only one problem with that- the west wasn't capable of doing that. Hitler defeated France easily, defeated the British, and almost captured the army. America wasn't in the war and wasn't going to be till Hitler declared war on them post Pearl Harbour.

 

Sooooo, just how do you imagine the "west" would have stopped Hitler?

Well that's academic but NOW the "collecitive west" as imperialist genocidal fascist dictator Putin likes to call it most definitely IS capable. The problem has been not lack of capability but willingness to commit to victory for Ukraine and willingness to ignore the constant "red line" threats coming from the Kremlin.

Edited June 15, 20242 yr by Jingthing

36 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Well that's academic but NOW the "collecitive west" as imperialist genocidal fascist dictator Putin likes to call it most definitely IS capable. The problem has been not lack of capability but willingness to commit to victory for Ukraine and willingness to ignore the constant "red line" threats coming from the Kremlin.

Disagree. It's more likely that even western leaders don't want to be leading radioactive wastelands.

 

How much are you willing to pay to buy bullets for Ukraine, or is that for other people to do?

 

If you are so keen for Ukraine to win, I hear they are recruiting right now, or is that only for other people too?

13 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Disagree. It's more likely that even western leaders don't want to be leading radioactive wastelands.

 

How much are you willing to pay to buy bullets for Ukraine, or is that for other people to do?

 

If you are so keen for Ukraine to win, I hear they are recruiting right now, or is that only for other people too?

You want to live in a world where fascist dictators with nukes can just steal foreign lands?

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Disagree. It's more likely that even western leaders don't want to be leading radioactive wastelands.

 

How much are you willing to pay to buy bullets for Ukraine, or is that for other people to do?

 

If you are so keen for Ukraine to win, I hear they are recruiting right now, or is that only for other people too?

I hear Russia is recruiting. Why don't you join their genocidal war against Ukraine. Or at the very least donate you pension to it?

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

You want to live in a world where fascist dictators with nukes can just steal foreign lands?

The human world has always been so. They used to be called kings or colonists in the past.

 

Still going on as I write, in a region you are familiar with, though they are called settlers.

 

 

54 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I hear Russia is recruiting. Why don't you join their genocidal war against Ukraine. Or at the very least donate you pension to it?

You must have missed that I want the war to stop, so why would I support more war?

Edited June 16, 20242 yr by thaibeachlovers

5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You must have missed that I want the war to stop, so why would I support more war?

Better you stop missing that everyone wants to end the illegal invasion of Ukraine. Or is it ok for you for the wanted war criminal Putin and his genocidal quest to carry on and learn that he can do whatever he wants + get to keep the spoils of his war crimes?