Lakegeneve

This map should make it very clear

https://www.livingpop.com/files/metro-map/20220129/LVP-Map2022-C-20220129-English.pdf

You had this mixed up right? Think about it,,,,

The answer is yes, though you will have obviously done the trip well before now.  Avoid the queues (& surcharge) at the official taxi stand at arrival level by proceeding up to the dep level and grab a taxi that has just dropped off someone.

Saves the driver a very long wait (sometimes 1-2 hrs) and you a queue....

2 hours ago, blackcab said:

Just to make it really clear, you previously had to descend to street level and walk to the MRT as there was no physical connection linking the two stations.

 

This has changed. Several years ago a direct covered link bridge/walkway was added to connect both stations.

The pedestrian link cost US$3m to build and opened in mid 2013,some 3 years after the ARL opened! It has been a very, long time since anyone had to cross at street level to the MRT.

These links used to be an after thought,eg. BTS to MRT at Asoke opened 1 yr after and BTS to MRT at Silom 2 yrs later. Thankfully, these days they are being built when new lines are bult.

2 hours ago, tomazbodner said:

Ratchaprarop is one way most of the time. So he should get off at Phyathai to go south, while Ratchaprarop is good going north. For taxi it's hard to make a right-turn so close to station.

2 hours ago, Lakegeneve said:

(Private vehicles are not allowed to use the soutbound bus lane but taxis usuaully can and do)  Again, don't do this at peak times.

Ratchaprarop has a single bus southbound lane 24/7. However, taxis are also allowedto use it though it is no uncommon for private vehicles to sneak allow as well - they are allowed late at night. And there is no right turn, you simply exit the ARL station at the east exit which is on the east side of Ratchprarop rd and walk 30m south across the SRT eastern line and Makkasan rd. Grab a taxi there outside Verve condo or a little further along at the corner of soi 8 (one way, west) as taxis tend to exit from there.

The reason why you don't want to do this at peak is that buses back up at Pratunam intersection (Petchaburi rd) along the single lane and you could literally spend 20-25 mins travelling the 1km south to Ratchaprasong intersection- the literal center of Thailand.

A couple issues depend on how you can traverse this. The most important is your fitness for carrying your 2 heavy backpacks. It is about a 300m total transfer distance between the ARL & MRT via the pedestrian link and normally easy with a trolley bag.

The other main factor is the time of day when you will be travelling, ie peak hour or not? I'd avoid doing it at peak hour as the MRT is very full - if morning peak up until 9.30am then forget about it as pax are crammed and it is normal to wait 1-2 trains to board. It will be very tough with 2 large backpacks.

Another option is to alight at ARL Ratchprarop station and just take a taxi straight south down Ratchaprarop rd to Lumpini/Rama4 intersection if it is a quieter time of the day. (Private vehicles are not allowed to use the soutbound bus lane but taxis usuaully can and do)  Again, don't do this at peak times.

On 11/28/2022 at 9:04 AM, it is what it is said:

 

 

I know. I know all the arguments against these great old beasts, but similar to the routemaster in london, i've ridden these iconic buses for years, they're part of my history and, for me, part of bangkok. i'll miss the wooden floored, fume spouting old girls...

These buses will still be around for a number of years even though the BMTA is attempting to replace much of the fleet. The BMTA has asked the govt to provide funds to update the fleet for around 12 years now Including a request for 5000 new aircon and non aircon buses after the junta came to power. At any given time around 800 buses are out of action due to age & maintenence issues) All that has been funded was the 490 NGV Bestlin buses a few years ago, but there is obviously a push to electrify the fleet.

As fares are charged according to the quality of the bus, the non-aircon buses are the cheapest (8 baht) for the poor,  min half the fare of a new NGV Bestlin bus (15-20-25 baht).

It is one of the crazy and confusing aspects of BKK buses for tourists. You can have 4 different types of buses with the same route number (BMTA non-Aircon, BMTA aircon, private operator non-aircon, private operator aircon) all with completely different fare structures. 

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From January next year, all commercial trains will switch from the old Bangkok station of Hua Lamphong to Bang Sue,

Poor reporting by Thai PBS who normally do a good job. This is incorrect as Eastern lines services will still continue to operate from HL as will suburban services for at least the next 5 years.

A few ordinary (the really slow ones) inter-city services will also continue to operate from HL too,

On 11/8/2022 at 11:02 PM, ThoMichael said:

Had nothing to do with saving 50 baht, or whatever it would be... ???? 

 

Yeah, it was the old school train. It is a direct line from Hua Lamphong to LakSi. Taking the MRT you have to change from red train to blue line, so taking one train just sounded fine to me. I just like old trains. I once took the old train from Saigon to Hanoi Vietnam. Not a single foreigner on the train, but I liked it. 

 

Have a good night. 

I can understand you wanting to take one of the diesel commuter services from HL to Laksi. Not that I'd do it myself for this trip. However, I think the lesson here as with most trips in BKK is to always have a Plan B. At a certain point (after15mins waiting?) I would have ditched the SRT commuter train and just used the MRT Blue Line and SRT Dark Red line to Laksi. 

The 40 mins that you spent waiting on the train is nearly the total trip time from HL to Laksi. Alternatively, MRT to Chatuchack station and then a bus straight north up Vihavadi-Rangsit rd would actually be quicker.

Posting the network map for those who might be unsure of the SRT Dark Red line route and how to connect. 

On 10/22/2022 at 5:57 PM, khunjeff said:

Anyone who has gone past either of these lines knows that these have to be partial openings, so I can't understand why none of the press coverage mentions this. Each time that opening dates were announced in the past (they all went by the wayside), the government made specific mention of exactly which stations would be serviced in the beginning and which would open later. 

Orignal partial opening date was Oct last year which became June this year and then September and now is Jan 2023.

The BSR (owner & operator) has been doing some full line test runs for the MRTA Yellow line in the last 3 weeks. The headline is misleading as there are only some special ticketed runs planned for December at this stage.

The actual opening for is not planned until January with a free period, probably later in the month and only from Phawana (Y2) to Samrong ie. not Latphrao station. (The previous opening plan for last year and mid this year was for the more advanced southern section of a line from Samrong to Hua Mark)

For the MRTA Pink Line, it is planned to open the first section in Feb or more likely March. The 1st stage opening will run from Minburi to the Govt Complex. (except for two stations). Mid year the 2nd stage willopen from Govt complex to Tiwanon rd.

The last stage to Nonthaburi Provicial office will open in around 1 year as the station site had to moved 350m east due to supposedly blocking the views of the provincial office staff. 

In other news the MRTA Orange line construction will be completed by the end of this year/very early 2023. Unfortunately, the MRTA stuffed up the tender to operate that line and order rolling stock - it is still not done - so you'll need to wait until June 2025 to use it!!

MRTA Purple line southern ext started construction 3 months ago as is around 3.5% advanced

On 10/24/2022 at 12:09 AM, Metapod said:

anyone got a map of these?

Network map half way down this page.....

On 9/30/2022 at 8:56 AM, allane said:

Can you clarify this re the four quadrants of the Victory Monument bus stops; the NE quadrant, the SE quadrant, the SW quadrant and the NW quadrant.  Normally buses stop at the last quadrant before they leave the Victory Monument circle.

 

166 departs from the NW quadrant from the east side 'platform'. It heads straight onto the expressway entrance just north of VM. The bus exits at Chaeng Wattana rd, runs west to Pak Kret, does a U-turn and then returns east along Chaneng Wattana before turning left into CW-Pak Kret soi 33 to enter into MTT.  I've used it loads of times over the years to go to Koh Kret.  Inbound and outbound are mostly exactly the same route. It can be confusing on CW rd if you don't read thai as both VM & MTT bound services run along here. Only the dark blue aircon buses run to MTT.

Download the VIa Bus app if you haven't done so as it shows routes for every BMTA bus. I had no idea of the route to Govt Complex, but I have seen the 166 bus outside. According to the VIA Bus app it exits the expressway straight east onto CW rd and then turns into the Govt Complex rd.

Obviously, just ask the conductor at VM if unsure if it is a MMT or a Govt Complex bus.

There was a small female only (driver & pax) taxi company that started about 5 years ago. However, they didn't survive Covid. Not sure if they have or will been revived? All Taxi Thai - book bby app - with the distinct yellow taxis was a safer company to use prior to Covid, but haven't seen many of their taxis around.

There are a few Lady Taxi driver services on FB and the web but mainly for out of BKK trips. Can contact them to ask if you needed a regular service.

You can request a "Lady" driver with Grab, https://www.grabdriverth.com/service/gc-lady

The ASC courts above Foodland in Suk soi 16 are indeed the place to play. I have a few friends that play there weekly. I've only casually played a couple of times as I play volleyball there.

I would suggest getting to know the fit women who run ASC and challenging them to a game one evening, they play regularly when they are bored. Let them know you are looking to play with others & go from there, eventually you'll be invited to join others.

On 6/19/2022 at 7:44 PM, 2long said:

Could it be because today's Sunday?

Sunday services were suspended many, many months ago due to Covid and a lack of demand. Increasedfuel costs in recent months didn't help. They just restarted this last Sunday 3 July;

https://mgronline.com/business/detail/9650000061941

Current operational times on Sundays are as follows:

South 9am to 5pm - every 30-40mins

North 10.30am to 5.30pm - every 30-40mins

Sat & holidays:

South 7am to 5pm - every 30-40mins

North 8.30am to 5.30pm - every 20-30mins

No you currently can't. Later, yes with MRT card (though this was first promised in 2012 between the MRT Blue line and ARL so don't expect it too soon)

The SRT Red lines uses the same ticketing platform as the ARL does. 

4 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

This is all within Bangkok. 

 

Whereas the investment they are making joins two other cities / countries  (JB and Sin) outside of Thailand and does not aid the development of Thailand. 

 

There has been long discussion of high-speed rail and joining Chiang Mai to Bangkok / Pattaya to Bangkok and a high-speed rail through to the south (Hat Yai).... 

 

Thailand ‘could’ have an incredible high-speed rail network, but lacks the investment. 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes. I assume you've taken the train between JB & Singapore, it's very short pop across thecauseway. This new metro style link has been long planned but delayed. Unfortunately, the HSR line between KL & Sing was cancelled again for the 2nd time 3 years ago.

Thailand wise, it's not really an investment issue as the interest to invest is there. More down to succesive govts not progressing each project. The CP consortium will start construction of the Eastern HSR line (3 Airports line) this year after they won the contract in Oct 2019 with a 50 yr concession. However, they didn't provide their first payment to the SRTET last year as part of the concession agreement. Should take 4 years to build. (An Eastern HSR line was first proposed in 1996!)

The BKK to Korat line is under construction (since 2017) in specific, short sections but other sections are delayed due to the govt not being organised to do the tenders on time. It might be complete within 3-4 yrs. For Chiang Mai, Hua Hin and the remainder of the NE HSR line to Nong Khai (to kink with the new Yunnan to Vientiane HSR line) the govt is to blame. They reviewed all proposed HSR lines after the May 2014 coup for 2 years and then took another 3 years dithering as to what to do next.

These new HSR lines were proposed by the Democrat govt in 2009 (along with a big duplication program of the narrow gauge netork)  with a construction timetable meaning that 2 lines would have been opened by 2015/16. But they lost the 2011 election as you know. PT govt then did their own review of the HSR plans for 18 months, then affirmed the plans but never tendered a project before being deposed in May 2014.

It's Thailand.....

19 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

As a business investing overseas in something it considers profitable is obviously sensible. 

 

However, I wonder why the group does not invest in further aspects of Thailands transportation system.  Does the BTS group consider any such development in Thailand doomed to failure ? or is corruption so strong they can’t get their finger in those pies ?

 

 

They are, but you just are not aware of it.

They operate the BMA Gold line (APM). They are building the MRT Pink and MRT Yellow lines with their own money after being awarded a 30 yr concession. An investment of around US$5B. They bid to build & operate (PPP) the MRT Orange line western ext and later took the MRTA to Court when the tender was changed to benefit BEM. Still remain in contention for that, but unlikely to win the new tender. Their fingers are in plenty of pies......

They will most likely bid for the MRT Brown line and the BMA Grey line. Also, they will most likely bid for the recently contracted MRT Purple line southern ext but they will probably be unlikely to be awarded that? Let's see in the next few years.

6 hours ago, itsari said:

The European Court Of Human Rights ruled against the plaintiff on the UK Government on indexed linked pension payments to those living abroad in 2008.

Australia decided to abandon any social agreement with the UK on this issue . 

I think there needs to be a case taken to the UN human rights court in Geneva to reverse that decision by Australia .

FYi, there is no UN Human Rights Court in Geneve.

However, there are HR Committees which can receive indicidual communiques pursuant to relevant Optional Protocols of various Human Rights Treaties. They only accept complaints against member states who are signatory to the relevent treaty only after all domestic remedies have been exhausted. You need to pass this threshold first and lodge the complaint within 12 months of exhausting domestic remedies.

Most likely, you would need to consider a communique submitted in accordance with the Procedure under the Optional Protocol to the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights.

https://www.ohchr.org/EN/HRBodies/TBPetitions/Pages/IndividualCommunications.aspx#ICESCR

As with the majority of international law (eg. Philippines v PRC South China Sea maritime boundary decision), you should note that decisions of the Committee (CESRC) are non-enforcable and implementation of any determination is on the basis of the goodwill of the relevant state member to accept the Committees determination and act accordingly. However, non compliance/non enforcement will be noted in future periodic treaty reporting of the state.

I'd suggest the best bet to achieve your aim is a political process of lobbying a specific party to adopt your sought redress as a policy platform prior to the next election. (Assuming still registered to vote & do vote)

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Why not just met me exit for the 15 baht I paid?

This has to be the stupidest thing I've every experienced in almost 14 years living here.  

 

Like many, my first reaction to the OPs was 'WOW, if this is the most stupidest thing you've experienced in 14 years living here you really have had a sheltered life in Thailand!' Secondly, as Crossey has pointed out, this post just highlights the OP's ignorance of the fare structure and the fact that there is a station access charge which I assume is due to the OP perhaps not using the BTS that much??

Anyway, when the BTS first opened in 99 one could pass through stations without charge. However, a few years later, the BTS introduced a "station access fee" of 10 baht (the minimum fare at the time) as some people were passing through concourse gates to access the other side. This was especially the case at Chitlom as people would walk from the Skywalk thorugh the gates to access Central Chitlom rather than walk down to st level. Similar at Victory with people passing throught he gates walking from the Skywalk to Century.

When the min fare increased to 15 baht, so did the station access charge. Increase to 16 baht. ditto.

2 hours ago, darksidedog said:

Were there a shred of decency at the hospital, they would be more concerned right now on operating on the leg, and worrying about who was going to pay the bill later. Utter disgrace that neither BTS, who you would think should be responsible, or the area districts can deny responsibility when clearly one of them is responsible for the station being safe.

Nothing to do with the BTS. As the article made clear, it occured on the Skywalk. No mention of the station.

8 minutes ago, ikke1959 said:

In fact easy question who is the owner of the skywalk??? The owner is responsible for the safety and mantainance of the skywalk..On the other hand as already in several posts.. She should pay attention were she was walking. Danger is everywhere....and nowhere safe..examples more over this week

The BMA is the owner of the Skywalk and is responsible for cleaning and maintenance of the Skywalk which most people use to cross to the various bus zones around Victory. The division between both districts is on the north side of Victory at the klong  (Phaya Thai rd ends at the south end of Victory and Phahayothin rd begins on the north side).

From memory, the division line between districts is the south side of the klong. If that is correct, then it will definately be in Ratchathewi district as 100% of the Skywalk is south of the klong. BMA paying regardless.

21 hours ago, PJPom said:

I hope that the opposition to its destruction is successful, all buildings of merit that have an iconic presence should be preserved.

 

Destruction?? The station is not being demolished, just closed.

Although I'd expect that the SRT will run shuttle services between Bang Sue Grand and Hualamphong after intercity services are moved to BSG. Also, don't forget that the SRT Dark Red line will be extended from Bang Sue Grand to Hualamphong with the Dark red line elevated station to be built on the west side of Hualamphong. So there will still be pax activity there.

The Dark red line then continues to Wong Wian Yai and eventually Mahachai. It will be 87km when completed.

On 10/18/2021 at 2:49 PM, The Hammer2021 said:

Soi 12 is not a red light area.

The ref is obviously to the numerous karaoke bars full of young women on the upper floors of Korea town. The women strangely often leave with their customers. after a drinking session......

On 9/16/2021 at 12:08 PM, JoePai said:

Has anyone got an udated map with all these new lines on it ?

Am getting lost as to where they all go

Updated maps and info on all new lines are in this thread