Amras

Just came across this looking at applying for a Partner visa for my girlfriend sometime end of the year/next year. Thanks for the info, works out about $300-$400 more paying in baht than the Australia dollar official rate. Go figure. How did you lodge the application without paying the fee at VFS? Or did you lodge it at the embassy or pay prior etc?

(As a side note, I wrote a letter to my local Labor parliament member on this exact insane increase on visa fees this year. I could't believe their reply. Basically, if people want the visa, they should just pay the fee, it's a user fee based system and apparently although we are Australian (have paid taxes, currently do etc), it's irrelevant. Australia has some of the most expensive Visa's in the world now (for partner and family migration). It's as if they are discouraging Australians from returning home to be replaced by asylum seekers.

I have not lodged the visa application's yet, i will be lodging them within the next 3 week's .

They will send the receipt out to your e-mail address in pdf format u only have to print the receipt, and then attach it to the application,

You will still have to pay the vfs for there service fee and for evidencing if needed round about 600bt i think.

Great, this will save me around $400 and means I don't need to bring money over here to pay the cash (and lose even more). Thanks for the information. Now to try prove that we share financial responsibility. Electricity is in owners name, water is through the condo (only condo room number on it), I always pay bills with cash I take out from my ATM back in Australia (no need to put it on the bank), only shared thing we have is rental contract. Such a difficult task.

Hope your's all goes smoothly. And increasing a child's migrant fee from $220 to $2000 is insane. Partner visa's went up $700-$1000 or so from memory and onshore one's up nearly $2000. Crazy revenue raising.

I can't see you having an issue. We just submitted (ie 9 days ago) my girlfriends second visa to Aus. Going to pick it up on Monday (can't see an issue with it). I never included an itinerary (if you read it, it says, IF you have a detailed plan of your holiday you can include your itinerary), it's not a must, I always just said visiting family, taking her around Melbourne etc. It Is a little different as I'm in Thailand with her though and my parents had been here before we first went to Aus.

Remember that something like 94% of tourist visa's get approved by the Aus embassy in Bangkok (there is no huge 50% failure that so many throw around). The one's that are getting denied aren't the applications that put effort into them like yours. They're half arse applications or questionable relationships with often bar girls. Show your visits to Thailand and that your relationship is genuine and that she has a job to come back to is pretty strong reason to return to Thailand.

My previous gf (ex) years ago, came to Australia when I was still living there and again, no issues.

I'd say your application fits pretty strong. The only issue with being in Aus (you), is to convince/show them that she will return to Thailand.

Just came across this looking at applying for a Partner visa for my girlfriend sometime end of the year/next year. Thanks for the info, works out about $300-$400 more paying in baht than the Australia dollar official rate. Go figure. How did you lodge the application without paying the fee at VFS? Or did you lodge it at the embassy or pay prior etc?

(As a side note, I wrote a letter to my local Labor parliament member on this exact insane increase on visa fees this year. I could't believe their reply. Basically, if people want the visa, they should just pay the fee, it's a user fee based system and apparently although we are Australian (have paid taxes, currently do etc), it's irrelevant. Australia has some of the most expensive Visa's in the world now (for partner and family migration). It's as if they are discouraging Australians from returning home to be replaced by asylum seekers.

"Q : How did the TCSD go about this case?

I have a team here [at TCSD] and at the Royal Thai Police HQ. Our team searched the keyword "coup" and we found posts by these four persons. It was not difficult. We didn't have a particular watchlist."

This is incorrect. You can't actually search Facebook for content. The ONLY way they will find this (a post) is if a). Someone reports to them that someone has posted (who they are friends with). they are 'friends/connected' with the people in question and hence see their post c) Facebook is bowing to the Thai governments requests for finding content (very unlikely). or d) if goes viral in which case becomes quite public. But then some people re-post without sharing, so may be difficult to track the originator.

If it wasn't an editor that said this, this would have been lost among all the millions of Facebook posts everyday.

"Q : Will this rule be applied to all cases?

We will just focus on cases of political violence. If you don't prevent it, bad news will be covered by foreign media and confidence [in Thailand] will be affected."

This is the ONLY reason they are concerned. Thailand is already facing bad international press with scams, tourists being murdered, robbed and political tensions and on and on. They can't afford any rumors discouraging investments in Thailand, in their current fragile state they are. Hence the scare tactics, which must have been pressed on the BIB by the government.

As for the posters here who are criticizing men in their 40s, 50s, or 60s for dating women in their 20s (and using offensive terms like "geezers"), I make the following points:

1. There is a world of difference between a 20yrs-50yrs (woman-man) relationship and 14yrs-44yrs 'relationship', legally and morally. The legal distinction is based on the notion that both partners must be consenting adults, and society dictates that a 14yr-old generally is not developed enough to freely and fully consent to such a situation. Most 20 year-olds can, however, think for themselves and so a relationship with a 60 year old man is no more 'exploitative' than one with a 25-year-old man. How could it be?
2. One 30-year-old poster here has asked what a 50-year-old would have in common with a 20-year-old. Maybe he needs to wait another 20 years to realise that just because you're 50 or 60 doesn't mean you can't relate to people in their 20s. My gf and I met when she was 28 and I was 48 (four years back) ... we have a great time, I can do more laps at the track than her, I know all the music she knows, I can stay on the dance floor longer than her etc etc. And even if I were physically inferior to her, there would no difference in how we connect. As I move into my 50s, I've learned that we're still that 20-30 year-old inside, albeit with a little more knowledge of life.
3. I've talked to a number of women (as friends, not potential partners) from a number of Asian countries about this issue. Most have told me they prefer an older man because they believe them to be less prone to violence, less likely to 'butterfly', and generally more respectful and gentle. I don't know how valid these beliefs are, but this is what they believe.
4. Finally, it is incredibly shallow to suggest that there is something wrong with two fully mature and consenting adults (e.g., 25/45) to have a relationship when they differ in age by 20+ years. You are basically saying that love is impossible when one person has more wrinkles or grey hair than the other. That's the pinnacle of shallowness...

Anyway, that's just how I see it.

1. Yes there is (the German was 32, not 44) and he has been accused of sex with a minor...but there at present are no minors. If she was 17, the argument would be much more difficult to make. I would agree a 14 year old is still a child, but then I would say the same about 95% of Thai girls who are 18-20. They have no responsibility what so ever, no self thought, nothing. So to me, although 'legally' an adult, they are still socially, very much children. In fact, many Thai parents still try to forbid their daughters (18-21) from dating, until they turn 21 (when they are socially seen as adults). My girlfriends family was like this and so are many.

2. I'm not saying you can't relate to them on a superficial level...sure I could relate to a 18-20 year old for a few hours. I question how you could ongoing for years though. It would infuriate me because of their naivety, due to being so young. Please if you are trying to tell me a 20 year old Thai girl is mature, level headed and intelligent....well there may be a few. 28 to 50...less of an issue. 8 years to grow and mature. As I said, we grow the most during our 20's. So it is a big difference comparing a 28-30 year old and one 18-20. I would have no issue with your relationship. You obviously have a educated and mature partner.

3. You've also forgotten to add, they are more like to financially support me. This doesn't just apply to western men however, but also Asian girls with the equivalent aged Asian men. The fact is most younger men, don't want to financially support their girlfriend in the same way an older man is willing to. This is a much bigger factor than what you said. Guarantee you for 'most' (not all) relationships in this category, if the man suddenly said, I'm not giving you anything anymore, you need to support yourself, or go get a job. There would be issues. Not all, but most. (Asian or Westerners, it's a fact of the Asian women, not about the men). Here it's acceptable to marry purely for money...in the west that would be frowned upon. It's socially a difference of opinion. For me...I couldn't marry/have a partner, that was with me because I was supporting them. It's not something I'm ok with.

4. Again, you keep changing the age range. We aren't talking about a 28 and 48 year olds, or 25 and 45 (although this is getting lower). We are talking 50+ with 18-20 year olds. The men who specifically look for the youngest legal girls they can (and they are many, just go to Pattaya and they are everywhere). This IS the issue.

I'm 30 (almost), look about 25, I'm sure when I'm 40 I'll look low 30's. I'm sure other's also are in the same boat, because they take care of themselves. Don't drink excessively and care about their health. So sure, these exceptions are going to be able to pass for a younger man and meet a younger woman.

But to say this is the norm (of older men in Thailand) is wrong. The older fit men here are the exception (like yourself and another poster). It's definitely not the norm. So please don't get carried away, there's always exceptions to every case. But in general, many older men (maybe not posters on here, I'm not sure) are looking for these young 'legal' girls to exploit because they have money and the girls not want, but need money. You only need to visit Pattaya to see this is true (or Nana for that matter).

As for the posters here who are criticizing men in their 40s, 50s, or 60s for dating women in their 20s (and using offensive terms like "geezers"), I make the following points:

• There is a world of difference between a 20yrs-50yrs (woman-man) relationship and 14yrs-44yrs 'relationship', legally and morally. The legal distinction is based on the notion that both partners must be consenting adults, and society dictates that a 14yr-old generally is not developed enough to freely and fully consent to such a situation. Most 20 year-olds can, however, think for themselves and so a relationship with a 60 year old man is no more 'exploitative' than one with a 25-year-old man. How could it be?
• One 30-year-old poster here has asked what a 50-year-old would have in common with a 20-year-old. Maybe he needs to wait another 20 years to realise that just because you're 50 or 60 doesn't mean you can't relate to people in their 20s. My gf and I met when she was 28 and I was 48 (four years back) ... we have a great time, I can do more laps at the track than her, I know all the music she knows, I can stay on the dance floor longer than her etc etc. And even if I were physically inferior to her, there would no difference in how we connect. As I move into my 50s, I've learned that we're still that 20-30 year-old inside, albeit with a little more knowledge of life.
• I've talked to a number of women (as friends, not potential partners) from a number of Asian countries about this issue. Most have told me they prefer an older man because they believe them to be less prone to violence, less likely to 'butterfly', and generally more respectful and gentle. I don't know how valid these beliefs are, but this is what they believe.
• Finally, it is incredibly shallow to suggest that there is something wrong with two fully mature and consenting adults (e.g., 25/45) to have a relationship when they differ in age by 20+ years. You are basically saying that love is impossible when one person has more wrinkles or grey hair than the other. That's the pinnacle of shallowness...

Anyway, that's just how I see it.

I promise that when these idiots are "geezers" they will not hesitate to spend time with a younger woman. They are just hypocrites. In the US as anywhere older men date younger women all the time. Usually they have money and can afford it. Then the idiots say. God, what a lucky guy.

In Thailand even poorer geezers can have young ladies. But that bothers some aholes for unknown reasons. Maybe jealousy.

You promise? Very funny. By the time I'm 50, I would be hoping I have a family and raising children. So no, I have no plan to spend time with young 20 year olds when I'm in my 50's. Hypocrite is someone who says something and does the opposite. Clearly not hypocrites, but you could claim that in 20-30 years, but we'd have to wait and see.

I rarely see much older men dating younger women in Australia. It would be very rare to see a 20 year old with a 50 year old, so rare in fact, I've never seen it in my life growing up in Aus. It just isn't socially accepted and the girls there don't need to do it to get money, they just go make it themselves. A 30+ year old and a 50+ year old...maybe...the age difference is less significant.

Don't know how it could be jealously......the older guys can have all the paid girls they want (or the ones that are with them for financial security). Personally that's not for me. If you can't see the hypocrisy in stating that it's love if you are financially supporting your younger partner in return for that love...well then. Now if she is working every day and you are helping, that's different.

On the other hand, if he is guilty of molestation, then cut them off, stuff them in his mouth and sew his lips shut before sending him to the BKK Hilton, where he will receive a warm welcome.

So for a twenty-something in a consensual relationship with a 14 year old, a relationship that would of been perfectly legal had he waited a year longer to date her, cut off his balls and stuff them in his mouth?

Meanwhile many of the people on this thread (perhaps yourself?) are old geezers (50+) who exploit 18 year olds a fraction of their age .

So you are in your 20's yourself ?

Just wait until you turn 50 and then you will change your mind about this.

Even in the western world you will find healthy relationships between a 50 year old and someone 20 years younger.

You just need to grow up first.

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50 and 30 is still a big difference between 50 and 18-20. 18-20 year olds have NO life experience, especially Thai's (rare exception of highly educated, travelled people with wealthy families). Even though, these are not the girls these foreigners are with. Most people quickly mature in their 20's into very functional adults. It's the decade of greatest growth and development for people. A 20 year old and a 30 year old are very very different.

It seems to me that the <deleted> young are out in force in this thread spouting their immature and ill considered opinions about how those senior, and usually far wiser and generally more considerate than they, should live their lives. Why is it more offensive for a say, 60 year old, who can still get it up, to enter into a commercial arrangement with a willing young filly than a fella in his twenties who no doubt considers himself living in a body beautiful? Isn't the younger guy also exploiting? What is more shameful than a young man having to pay for his jollies? Isn't that an admission that they are not attractive in any possible way or definition and cannot trap a young lady by their personal qualities? Pots and kettles comes to mind.

In their undeveloped minds using their limited life experience are they suggesting that age has nothing to do with sex drive? Do they think that their parents shut up shop just because they were no longer in the first bloom of youth? Do they lack the imagination to think positive so that when they encounter a couple with a significant number of years spent between them ever think Wow! I've got another 30 or so years to satisfy my sexual urges (if I can afford it)? Do they find the competition from more experienced swains too much to handle? Have they ever considered that a pay for play lady might rather settle for an older guy who does not want, or is able, to violate them several times a night? Do their own insecurities drive them to attempt to score points over those in their twilight years? Look everybody - see how clever I am. disrespecting people who have avoided or dealt with life's challenges. and survived.

To return to the theme of this thread, the age of a guy having a sexual relationship with an under age girl is not a mitigating factor. It is still wrong. When a girl reaches the age of discretion, as provided by law, it is her choice with whom she consorts - and none of your dam_n business.

Sigh....who said us 'fellas in our 20's' need to pay for it? No one said that. I could go out and find someone easily without needing to exchange money and it's easy to quickly see which ones are after money. That (generally) can't be said for those in their 50' or 60's. There is a big difference.

Biologically (something I know a bit about) age does have everything to do with sex drive. Men peak during their teenage years to mid 20's. Women on the other hand peak around their 30's. As men age, their testosterone decreases, so does their muscle mass, fat increase and on and on. Now you can offset this, by exercise, but your testosterone (which is responsible for your sex drive) is still lower than it was when you were much younger, it's biology. Hence a thing called Viagra and hormone replacement therapy for older men. Of course there are exceptions, and people still have a drive anyway when they are older. But many people it dwindles, significantly (this is not theory,its medical fact).

"Do they find the competition from more experienced swains too much to handle? Have they ever considered that a pay for play lady might rather settle for an older guy who does not want, or is able, to violate them several times a night? ",

The only time I'd ever find it competition is if it was about money. And in that case, I'd be happy to find someone else. The later...if you are violating your 'ladies' then sure...maybe they are sick of being violated. But then..if they consider it being violated, then clearly it's all about the money and nothing else. Many people will settle for someone to take care of them (here) and their family. I honestly would question my relationship if that was the case.....(but that's just me, some people are ignorantly happy and that's for them to decide).

"Look everybody - see how clever I am. disrespecting people who have avoided or dealt with life's challenges. and survived."

It's not disrespect it's a clear difference in opinion on morals (something that is very different to what's legal). That's perfectly acceptable. Most people would also find it immoral for someone to sleep with another that was young enough to be their daughter.

When a girl reaches the age of discretion, as provided by law, it is her choice with whom she consorts - and none of your dam_n business.

That's a cop out. Could you do the same back home in the west....surely not. Unless you were a multi-millionaire. There always has to be a clear legal age of consent (for drinking, sex, driving etc). That does not mean it is morally right. Only that law allows it. We are discussing the morality of it.

As to the OP, looks as though they have NO evidence of anything. Except possession of pornography. Yet, if the people on here were the judges' he would already be executed.

there is more to this little tale than meets the eye, which is why we didnt run it in our new today.

his room was turned over and no porn pics found. but he was also photographed semi naked during the raid which may indicate he was "caught" or may not

at this point he may or may not have porn stuff on his phone, no one knows

he Was,at least until recently a WS walkin St vol. tour. cop

if he is a pedo, shoot his whatits off, with all our blessings, in fact i will pull the trigger..but at least be sure, as they are very hard to sew back on again when full of lead.

So really...they have nothing? Being naked in your own house...what's the world coming to......

to be fair, its all 90% conjecture but he probably did something to bring the police down on him. our point was, after quite a debat ehere, that the rports were worded in such a way that they could be read 2 ways. and the photos of his home raid showed nothing untowrd found at all. which brings you down to porn on his phone, which is illegal, even on a pc in thailand

Hmm..illegal on a PC in a foreigners private residence. But 'legal with bribes' to be sold on the street in plain view of everyone, all around the country and owned at home by many many Thai's and on their phones, laptops, computers etc.

This seems like they have nothing (when they do, we all know the police are happy to show their evidence), but have to stick him with something, otherwise it will now be a public embarrassment.

On the other hand, if he is guilty of molestation, then cut them off, stuff them in his mouth and sew his lips shut before sending him to the BKK Hilton, where he will receive a warm welcome.

So for a twenty-something in a consensual relationship with a 14 year old, a relationship that would of been perfectly legal had he waited a year longer to date her, cut off his balls and stuff them in his mouth?

Meanwhile many of the people on this thread (perhaps yourself?) are old geezers (50+) who exploit 18 year olds a fraction of their age and yet THEY want to condemn this guy less than half their age for dating a girl barely younger than the ones they are dating, and he didn't have to pay her or exploit her, and he's not as ugly or revolting as some of the guys here are, who force their fat, old, saggy bodies on tiny girls young enough to be their grandchildren, who have to hold in the vomit from disgust, and only do it for the money.

I'll say it again. In my book, many of the people here are much worse than this guy.

TROLL, with a capital T.

I agree that he's probably a troll and as a 53 year old myself with a girlfriend of 23, who I've been with for just under 4 years, I guess I'm equally guilty of rising to his ridiculous, over-the-top troll comments, which in any case are completely off topic.

Question is, would you be ok with your daughter, in her early 20's dating a man your same age? (assuming you have one) . I'm really curious.(this is an honest question)..how do you relate to her?. I'd only be 7 years older than her...and unless she's quite educated, opinionated and open minded, even I'd have trouble relating to her. Unless of course, you enjoy watching Lakorn and Thai TV and reading Thai magazines....then maybe...

Not entirely off topic....there is only a legal barrier between someone engaging in a sexual relationship with someone 15-17 and someone 18. The moral barrier, is quite a different one. .

there is more to this little tale than meets the eye, which is why we didnt run it in our new today.

his room was turned over and no porn pics found. but he was also photographed semi naked during the raid which may indicate he was "caught" or may not

at this point he may or may not have porn stuff on his phone, no one knows

he Was,at least until recently a WS walkin St vol. tour. cop

if he is a pedo, shoot his whatits off, with all our blessings, in fact i will pull the trigger..but at least be sure, as they are very hard to sew back on again when full of lead.

So really...they have nothing? Being naked in your own house...what's the world coming to......

On the other hand, if he is guilty of molestation, then cut them off, stuff them in his mouth and sew his lips shut before sending him to the BKK Hilton, where he will receive a warm welcome.

So for a twenty-something in a consensual relationship with a 14 year old, a relationship that would of been perfectly legal had he waited a year longer to date her, cut off his balls and stuff them in his mouth?

Meanwhile many of the people on this thread (perhaps yourself?) are old geezers (50+) who exploit 18 year olds a fraction of their age and yet THEY want to condemn this guy less than half their age for dating a girl barely younger than the ones they are dating, and he didn't have to pay her or exploit her, and he's not as ugly or revolting as some of the guys here are, who force their fat, old, saggy bodies on tiny girls young enough to be their grandchildren, who have to hold in the vomit from disgust, and only do it for the money.

I'll say it again. In my book, many of the people here are much worse than this guy.

First off, your comments concerning a 20 something involved with a 14 yr old are IN THE WRONG THREAD. Stick to the OP and the topic HERE, not the other one. Or perhaps at your tender age you didn't realize what you were doing.

Second, put down your paint brush about "old geezers" who exploit 18 yrs olds, etc. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but this "old geezer" who at 64 is in excellent physical condition and could, more than likely, embarrass the hell out of you in a fight and teach you a little more manners that your parents seemed to have been somewhat reluctant in. MY Thai wife is 54, My two closest farang friends also have wives 10 years or less younger than them. So you are making assumptions for which you have zero factual statistics for, other than what you may have seen, and what you think.

A word of advice to you from an "old geezer". Engage brain before operating mouth

Wait...where did he (or I I guess) say 10 years was a huge age difference? 10 year's is quite normal. here and back home (in the west). The age gap (and the issue) changes greatly as you age (60 and 40 is 20 years difference, but really, people are quite similar in mindset, both have experienced quite a bit of life and matured, obviously).

But when you talk about a 40-50+ year old with a teenager...a girl who hasn't even finished school, sorry, but you are wrong. This has nothing to do with you and your wife, or your friends wives. Clearly they aren't in this demographic and your relationship is one of similar understanding, experience and thinking and not one that is about exploiting someone's circumstance and money.

No one ever, can say a 40-50+ year old and a 20 year old have ANYTHING in common. I'm 29 and I can barely relate to a 18-20 year old, find them mostly immature (especially Thai's) (and people consider me to be younger than my age, so I'm not really 'older minded').

Way to go trying to threaten people....sigh...apparently if you are fit, it means you are defying the laws of aging. And also, you need manners, to not be disgusted with older men being with younger teenage girls....go figure. Again, why are you defending yourself...this is not you.

A 50-60 year old is still 50-60 regardless of how fit they are. You again are probably an exception, not the norm in your age bracket (and well done for being that, I truly mean that), but it doesn't make them being with a 20 year old right.

Thai girls do love money, ask a Thai girl and the honest ones will tell you all about the females of their race. Thai's marry Thai's, Japanese, Malaysians for money...look at the recent actress who (in her 20's) got married to a senior governmetn official (believe he is in his 50's). The difference is...she's not being exploited by her circumstances.....

A word of advice from someone younger (who's brain is still of prime age). Before you criticize others and start defending yourself, realise that what you have is completely normal, and you weren't in the demographic or 50 year olds with 20 year olds (that was being discussed) and hence have nothing to defend.

On the other hand, if he is guilty of molestation, then cut them off, stuff them in his mouth and sew his lips shut before sending him to the BKK Hilton, where he will receive a warm welcome.

So for a twenty-something in a consensual relationship with a 14 year old, a relationship that would of been perfectly legal had he waited a year longer to date her, cut off his balls and stuff them in his mouth?

Meanwhile many of the people on this thread (perhaps yourself?) are old geezers (50+) who exploit 18 year olds a fraction of their age and yet THEY want to condemn this guy less than half their age for dating a girl barely younger than the ones they are dating, and he didn't have to pay her or exploit her, and he's not as ugly or revolting as some of the guys here are, who force their fat, old, saggy bodies on tiny girls young enough to be their grandchildren, who have to hold in the vomit from disgust, and only do it for the money.

I'll say it again. In my book, many of the people here are much worse than this guy.

TROLL, with a capital T.

I don't think he is trolling. He is stating a pretty clear and fair observation and opinion that he is passionate about.

Again, I ask (people seem to have ignored my comment because it speaks the truth).

How would you (in general) like your 18-20 year old daughter (assuming you have one) dating or even just sleeping with, a man that is your age or older? I'm damn sure that they people who are doing it in Thailand would be furious if they found out there daughter was doing the exact same thing and if not...well....I can only guess what is wrong with them.

This German hasn't even been convicted he is charged with " (snip) ...and of molesting children under the age of 15 after video clips and explicit pictures were found on his mobile phone and on memory cards found at his home." and "and possession of child pornography and suspected sexual assault of minors under the age of 15 - See more at: http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/98587/pattaya-tourist-police-arrest-german-fake-police-suspected-child-molester/#sthash.GcsiONJ5.dpuf

Nothing about proof of the act....just suspected..with who? Where are these mysterious persons?

I'm not saying he isn't guilty, but damn people on here are quick to jump to guilty verdicts. I'd hate for any of your to ever be on a jury with your predetermined judgement's about guilt based on a 100 word article.

Seems there is a bit of a rush to judgement here, quite ironic since I just came from a thread where one of the guy, as is typical of many here, is an over 50 who is dating 18-20 year olds.

Besides, was he a volunteer police whose license expired? That could be called a "fake license". Or maybe he just bought a souvenir because he thought it's cool. Maybe he just uses it and handcuffs for roleplay. The story didn't mention him using it to extort money or do illegal things with it. Why did the father only report him once he got concerned it was interfering with his daughter's studies?

The guy is in his twenties, and it's worth noting the age of consent is 15, if he was some sort of methodical hunter of young girls he'd stick to 15 year olds so I find the charges levelled here to be inaccurate. Or if he waited a few months his relationship would been legal. The girl was apparently voluntarily with him and the guy was not with other girls (since it didn't list other victims). How about some condemnation for all the fifty or sixty year old geezers in Thailand paying 18 year olds (a fourth their age!) for sex they don't want.

I think a lot of humans like to puff up their own morality on news like this yet fail to see their own failings. Probably someone on this very thread is 30-60 yrs old and watches pornography with the youngest possible models (18-19), or which uses phrases like "young", "teen", "school girls", etc. Were the law for pornography 16, probably most of you on this thread would be indulging in that. 15 much the same. Perhaps even 14.

I can't see why old geezers who indulge in the exploitation of 18 year old teenage girls, think they have some right to criticize a guy half their age who was from what the article seems to say, having a consensual monogamous relationship and apparently had met the father previously. He was basically thrown in jail for interfering with the girl's studies...

In my book an ugly old 50 year old who pays for 18 year olds to have sex is worse than an attractive twenty something having a consensual relationship with a teen who was barely under age.

I hope you don't live in Thailand or you're going to find it very unpleasant here.

I live here, I also find this disgusting. It's what essentially comes down to 'pedophiles' going as young as they can, so they 'legally' can't get in trouble. I guess you can say they are 'smarter'.

No one can justify or give any reason for an 18-20 year old to be with a 40-50+ year old. It's exploitation. If you're 40, look 30...it's a bit more blurred. But many of the older westerns that are seen with these young girls, really do look old enough to be their grandfather.

It's disgusting, it's all exploitation through money. It does happen in the west too, but it's quite rare and we are talking millionaires who are involved like this (not making it right, but it's rare because of the less division in wealth).

Imagine having an 18-20 year old daughter who was sleeping with a man that was either the same age as you (her father) or older. No one can tell me the would be ok with that.

I am happy to come from a civillized country and I am happy that in my country people are put jail once the are convicted a crime. This article does not really implement a 'crime' apart from maybe having been a false police man and he having some porn on his computer or similar and even that unclear. So why again someone here probably claiming that he may come from a civillized country want to put someone in jail first, why want the guy in question to be treated in uncivillized way? Maybe some people here lived to long in some strange environment....Do not get me wrong...I am not supporting people that do molest children...but again be appropriate...peadophile people I consider sick and they need treatment...unfortunately it not take a lot of effort form them in some parts of Thailand to be successful.

Imprisonment should be punishment, not a place to "reform" sick criminals like this piece of <deleted>. Punish them first and then the PC brigade in the west can reform him and then let him loose into the community.

And I hope somebody with a 9 year old daughter who is a strong advocate for reforming child molesters lets him live in his house as part of his rehabilitation - yeah, right.

WOW Pattaya Police arrested 2 Fake Pedo Cops - one Thai and one Anglo-German - PattayaOne News is running both stories - the fake Thai Cop was carrying a BB Gun and a walkie talkie and sexually abused young girls

A 28 year old Pattaya Police Volunteer was arrested in the early hours of Saturday after the father of a 14 year old girl reported the volunteer was in a sexual relationship with her.

The volunteer, named as Khun Don, was arrested in front of the Poipet Market in Soi Neun Plub Wan in East Pattaya. He was in uniform and was carrying a two-way radio and a BB Gun.

The Father of the girl was unhappy after hearing about the relationship and told Police that it was affecting his daughters schooling as she opted to see Khun Don rather than attend school on numerous occasions. It is thought the pair were in a relationship for at-least 4 months had engaged in sexual intercourse at-least twice.

The Police Volunteer was arrested and charged with sexual offences with a minor under the age of 15. The case will be heard in Court in due course.

- See more at: http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/98542/pattaya-police-volunteer-sexual-relationship-14-year-girl/#sthash.DJ2HweUy.dpuf

Funny how so many people jump to condemning him as guilty. The article says so little. They could claim the girls on his phone were 16 or 17 and still charge him with child pornography, yet it would be difficult to prove. What about all the Thai's on the street selling real kiddie porn in front of everyone? It's easy to charge them and nothing is done, even though it's in plain site.

I'm actually suprised about the second article.

Right after the girl took off her make up, they switched models. The dude has a longer face.

Right after the girl took off her make up, they switched models. The dude has a longer face.

Yeah that's what I think.

They are two people. One's a ladyboy, the other one's a dude. You can see the chin and cheek structure is different. Even the guys nose is more pronounced. They do have similar face structures though. It's pretty close and well down. Besides that guy, has no chest what so ever, you can't push up skin. If he had some 'fat' there, it may be different.

The are definitely too different people. It's not a girl though.

Edit: just saw the other video. Wow.....that's all I can say. Great Makeup artist.

"The preliminary result of a parallel survey found that about 20 massive corals, located two metres undersea in the southern area of Ao Phrao, were bleached. Thon assumed this bleaching was caused by the oil slick.

However, he said his team needed to collect samples of coral tissue for in-depth analysis to confirm the real cause."

Yep...need to do more research. Because before and after means, that the event in between is probably not the cause (or a major contributor). Go figure.

So, you're in a situation where someone is beating the crap out of you and wack them with a rock / bar or whatever.

They die.

That's self deffence.

Get a life TV wingers.

Considering how drunk they must have been to not get off stage when everyone else had left. I'd have a educated guess that they weren't exactly capable of 'beating' the crap out of someone.

The Thai's version sounds fishy...? Head lock...? Can't breath...so you stab someone and twice at that? They already outnumber the American's 3 to 2...

There's a lot missing to this story and especially the Thai's version of what happen. We won't know until the son can give an account of what he says happen and see how things all differ.

Again, a shame no one else is honest enough to come forward and tell it from a 3rd perspective...but everyone's too scared to get into anyone else's business..because, you could end up on the end of some revenge.

Most Thais DO think that a woman with a foreigner is a hooker. Thais are very perceptive. alt=laugh.png width=20 height=20>

Don't know what you were quoting from what I said.....since it's not there!

But, I changed and said...apparently they do and it's in a large part (according to a Thai) because many (although not all) are/have been, because soooo many girls work in that industry.

Second and third point, hardly, except if there is a large age gap between you, then sure. But for those with partners around the same age, this doesn't come into it. It also depends on how the girl dresses, acts etc. Body language is everything.

Nope, most Thais will assume any girl with a foreigner is a hooker.

Doesn't matter what their relative ages are or how either of them dresses.

That's just the way Thais think.

bullshit ,

+1

All I can say is you (AOA) must have a serious attitude problem with Thai women.

I just showed my GF your ludicrous post and she chuckled, called you pathetic and asked me if you were gay!

I don't know...I told my girlfriend the same thing and she agreed with him...

Maybe your gf is in denial about what strangers really think about her when she's with you (mine isn't, she just doesn't give a shit about it or what anyone else cares). Some people refuse to believe it because they don't want to. I normally fall into this (when thinking about other people). Seems like your gf is the same. Especially by asking you if he were gay....??

Ive lived here 11yrs no problem exept my latest g/f thinks ive just got off a banana boat have travelled round thailand lived in a few differnent cities and places no problem i speak ok thai coz i like to learn languages she's more of a hinderance than help good job i live alone and 3hrs away from her lol so no 2 your question theres a hell a lot of us guys that settle in thailand with no need to have a thai lady to baby sit us it's my life no1 elses and iam ok running it just the way i like it

Except that you seem to have forgotten one thing in your time living here. Grammar. There exists these things called, commas, fullstops and punctuation. It makes reading what you say a whole lot easier.

bullshit ,

Well there you go...I asked my girlfriend...she said...probably around 100%, because Thai people are just stupid. Maybe it's my sense of not wanting to believe how idiotic it is. So I retract my disagreement.

She also said, it's hard as coming from the west, we think of everyone as people, but Thai's will use any reason to class someone lower than them, so they can fill superior.

The issue is more that so many Thai girls are selling themselves especially from Issan and the North Country and hence it perpetuates when these girls find a foreigner (and thus Bangkok girls (even the decent ones) get grouped with them).

So there you go...she's told me this before..I just never fall into the class trap...guess my Australian, people are people (except for Bogans) is too ingrained.

Glad to see there are some having difficulty settling here without the help of a woman.

On the other hand, think of all the fun you would have had finding out for yourself that perhaps not everything your girlfriend has told you is kosher...................... width=20 alt=wai.gif>

What..were did I say I was having difficulty? I lived here, had a gf (different one), broke up with her, moved to Bangkok from Chiang Mai and just happened to meet my current one, who suited the type of person I enjoyed being around. Don't see where the problem is? It was all via choice, I'm actually quite content living alone.

Ahh the, my gf's a lier and she's not telling me truth. Pretty hard, since we live together, but good on ya for giving it a go.

I've re-thought about AOA posts...and I think you need to take into perspective he is talking about people that don't know you or your wife (or anyone's partners). Of course people that know your wife are unlikely to assume she was ever a bar girl, but a stranger that passed you on in the mall, at tesco etc, are likely to assume that (after a nice discussion with my gf).

It's sad but true....people who know you have a formed opinion, meeting a westerner is unlikely to make them suddenly think that she worked in a bar. But people that don't know her well, probably a different story.

Personally after 20 years i do not give a hoot what people think ,if they are to blinkered to see then its up to them ,who cares? they are just people who mean nothing to me , i spoke about it to my wife years ago and her answer was so what ,its their problem ,not ours.

True, and something we don't worry about (now). But the fact remains that they do think like that. And it can be especially hard for a girl when she starts dating a foreigner for the first time to be pigeonholed by her own fellow Thais.

Of course they don't..they know her. But other people in the bar, that don't know her, that were Thai's are highly likely too, as an automatic assumption.

Apparently it was a significant hurdle my gf had to get over when we started dating (as she only had asian partners before, malaysian, singaporian etc). As she knew what people would be thinking. But she got over it and realised she can't do anything about it. Here friends though, of course they never think that, because they KNOW HER.

Exactly right.

Most of the interactions a foreigner does via his 'female friend' are with strangers.

Nearly all the Thai strangers will assume she is a hooker, so you won't gain any advantage from the interactions.

I think that depends though. Sometimes we get further with my girlfriend doing something than I could, because my Thai is, well limited. They can't do the...blank, I don't understand what you are talking about...stare that they can with a foreigner. So I think it greatly depends on the situation. In some cases you would gain an advantage compared to not being able to communicate with them at all. Now, if you can speak reasonable Thai, of course this is different then.

Second and third point, hardly, except if there is a large age gap between you, then sure. But for those with partners around the same age, this doesn't come into it. It also depends on how the girl dresses, acts etc. Body language is everything.

Fourth...don't quite get, do you mean because of number 1, it means you don't have to deal with somethings, or can pass it off..?

Nope, most Thais will assume any girl with a foreigner is a hooker.

Doesn't matter what their relative ages are or how either of them dresses.

That's just the way Thais think.

Number of guys I meet living in a big house, never go out, wife does everything for them, might as well be back in the USA (or wherever).

So Tommo let me get this straight, when i join my girlfriend for a night out with her work colleagues, they all secretly think she is a hooker and not a teacher..priceless as usual.

On topic, it certainly makes it easier to settle here with a ladies help, but i do think it's better not to rely on them for everything, where's the fun in that ?

Of course they don't..they know her. But other people in the bar, that don't know her, that were Thai's are highly likely too, as an automatic assumption.

Apparently it was a significant hurdle my gf had to get over when we started dating (as she only had asian partners before, malaysian, singaporian etc). As she knew what people would be thinking. But she got over it and realised she can't do anything about it. Here friends though, of course they never think that, because they KNOW HER.