KarstenBoAndersen

But Thailand was not mentioned !

So no recall in Thailand !

fuc_k the customers !

I had brought the wifes Corolla to service a few times, they are more interesting in selling extra services then make a proper service !

I had been at 2 different Toyota shops, I paid more for a air con checkup then i normally pay for a full service on my MU7 !

At Isuzu is there a service plan in the service book, in Thai and English, so all can see what each service is about, Toyota does not have that, so they can tell their customers what they want !! FRAUD !!!

If they had to fire all corrupt people on TV, it would be a quite empty in the studios !

The "elite" run and cheat the masses and TV is one of the things they use to do it !

This is not a bussiness ! It is corruption on a high level and had always been it !

A new company can not get any rice to export, even it have all the customers etc.

It is a closed society where all business is rotten !

The loosers in the then end is the Thai population !

"That's where my roll comes in." !! you not have any role there at all, if she not will handle it herself, is it because she like other men !

What do you think she does when you not there ??

There is no custom on mobile phones (if there is any is it under 5%) but when it is for sale, people have to remember VAT !

Sum num nar !

If they was in Europe, no one would had cared !

This is getting crazy !

But good as a business owner in Thailand, does anyone say something bad about me, i can get them locked up very easy !

but the "lease holder" they paid rent to, convinced them to stay and pay to him, so please blame him for everything !

Poor Chuwit, what an injustice.

They did not pay rent to Chuwit !

So maybe they paied someone else !

It was in the newspapers everyday that time, some can remember, some can not.

What is becoming clear on this thread is that a certain TV member has a major hard on for Chuwit! So quick to leap to his defence it's becoming a bit creepy but I guess love is blind...

I don't know what the situation is now but 'squatting' used to be a major problem in the UK. My guess is that the majority would have supported the view that big men should have entered premises and ejected the squatters out onto the street. Making them, under strict supervision, clear up the mess that they made would also have gone down well with the law abiding majority community.

I realise that I have wandered away at a tangent from the main thrust of this thread, so nit pickers, save your efforts.

You see, Bagwan, had you been there, or taken the time to read this thread, you would know that this was not a case of 'squatters'. It was a case of sublesees paying rent to the lessor, who was, in turn, in arrears to Chuwit for the land lease. They were not given any notice, and many of them had substantial investments in their businesses, unlike 'squatters'.

But, never one to allow fact to prevent a snide comment, you regale us with your irrelevancies from the UK...thanks!

They got months of warnings !

But they decided not to move !

There was min 2 people between Chuwit and the bar holders, Chuwit was not paid, therefore had he chancelled the lease !

There was big signs out to Sukhumvit about the case going on, so all know that they was on dangerous area !

There was not warning that night they came, but they had known for months, that it would have an end one day !! (why did many move down to another area with same problem ?? Asoke, because it was cheap) !

The bar holders was not crying (only crocodile tears to show !!) they did know it would had an end one day, dratic or not !

They was wrong, and they know it, they had seen the court orders, that the land had to be cleared, but the "lease holder" they paid rent to, convinced them to stay and pay to him, so please blame him for everything !

Are you blind ?????

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But i can see there is many smart guys there can write a lot, they never been there, they not even know how a backhoe looks like !!

No, I not blind, but you -rude-!

And I know what a backhoe looks like. I did not know first, what a backhoe translated into German means.

I am satisfied, Bulldozer or Backhoe, who cares, heavy equipment and machinery, that is what I am talking about and not only destruction work by hand alone!

-tinfoilhat-, the Internetreports and my remembered Newspaper reports not confirm your statements, you had not been there during the destruction,

next day, all equipment was gone already, so its not possible you saw something next day.

And even you admit "It was 90% done by hand."

That is enough for me, these 10%.

Everything ran smoothly?

http://www.scandasia...=no&news_id=248

Still the question -

Chuwit, a friend, business partner of yours?

Maybe in Wetten Das they can break down wood structures without breaking the wood planks, but nowhere else !

So therefore i told you to look at the photos, there is none broken wood planks, so no machinery had been used !

Why should they ??? There was as i wrote 5-10 men per bar, so how long can it take 20-30 Min. ?

I talked with some of the bar owners, they had all been in picking up their stock and inventory (look at the photos again, there is chairs and tables still standing) so it was not damaged, maybe scratched a little !

Statements of the LINK, more can be read there.

http://www.bangkokey...om/gestapo.html

Truckloads of men and heavy construction equipment were off-loaded

Those valuables that weren't able to be removed in a timely manner were bulldozed under by yet another team of heavy equipment operators. Shop owners whose personal property was removed report that they do not know where their property was taken, nor were they certain under whose orders the uniformed raiders were acting.

Yet other trucks brought in the vehicles originally reported to be backhoes, but were in fact concrete breakers which look like a backhoe with a giant metal 'toothpick' at the working end. Witnesses said they used the breakers in a downward smashing movement.

Are you blind ?????

I was there the day after, and there was NO heavy construction equipment, but a Bangkok based journalist, what does he know about that, he had only seen one from the taxi !

There was Backhoes, and big trucks and hundreds of men, so there had been 5-10 men per bar, so it is no problem to pull it all down by hand, it was all made up of wood !

If you are totally blind, then look at the photos posted, nothing had been driving on top of the wood !! You can also not see any wood planks there had been broken, just taken down !

People was also allowed in to take their belongings, i did not hear about looting, but of course some could had been taken by the wrong people etc.

The backhoe and truck cranes was actually mostly used to install the new fending around the plot, it was concrete blocks they brought along on the trucks !

But i can see there is many smart guys there can write a lot, they never been there, they not even know how a backhoe looks like !!

Many of these barowners moved down to Asoke square/place (or what they called it) and it all happend there again, it was pulled down one night when the land owners had got enough !!

So some of these bar owners know all about the risck they was facing !

What about the big signs there had been there for months ???? Telleing in Thai what was going on, that the lease they paid was to a person who did not have a legal lease on the land etc. as i remember was there even copies of the court papers etc.

But you still write lkik you was there and did know everything !!

Anyway, it was a hard action. Only, made by backhoe, hard work!

And did not run without conflict.

http://www.scandasia...=no&news_id=248

It was 90% done by hand.

So, -Bulldozer- I not insist on this name, (but, I think to remember, what the papers wrote)

or some other ramming device-army truck, has only to ram into structures, things, must not drive over it.

Your left over 10% see above also enough for me.

The outcome was devastating and that what is important and the mess was radical!

Chuwit, a friend, business partner of yours?

And all that demolition only made by hand-backhoe, hard work!

I know it was mainly done by had and sledge hammers, look at the close up photos, no broken woiod planks, no scattered items !

Just the structure taken apart !

I did know some of the bar owners as well !!

As you can see on your own photo, if a buldozer had been there had all things been moved to one side etc. but it is not moved anywhere, just taken down !!

You can still see the road etc.

I can only repeat what the Newspapers wrote after that raid.

A big group of Army soldiers with heavy equipment, bulldozers came and gave the Bars and whatever businesses only a very short time 10-30 minutes to get out of their premises. by far not enough time to get it all.

The Police was informed and advised not to intervene and they did not intervene!

Than the place was raided and flattened

Sure no time for discussions and to bring all important things out of your shack, who did not move would have been hurt or killed!

That is how the papers told it!

There was NO buldozers, a backhoe was all and some big lorrys !

There is splenty of photos of it !

I was there the night before, and i passed it the day after !

There had not been any buldozers around there.

So, your statement misses out on the vital, important part of the incident.

Anyway, it was a hard action. And all that demolition only made by hand-backhoe, hard work!

And did not run without conflict.

http://www.scandasia...=no&news_id=248

If you open your eyes !! Would you see that even the plastic charis was not broken ! Do you know what a buldozer is ?? It is a machine 20-40 Ton on trackes, i do not see any track marks, a buldozer can also on push horisontal !!

It was 90% done by hand, look again on your own photos, there is no broken planks etc. if a backhoe had done it, the wood would had splitted in thousand pieces !

They when in with sledge hammers and dismantled the building structures without damaging the inventory !

The only thing i see broke on the photos is a thing rain gutter, i can not see a single wood plank there had been crashed with a big machine !

Sorry !!! it helps to use your eyes !

And what were Chuwits motives for dozing that block?

So he could build a park?

Why should he let them be there for free ????

Chuwit did not get paid, and he had chancelled the lease because he had other plans, it was not Chuwit there rented the space out to bars in the beginning !!

From your link KarstenBoAndersen

But no one foresaw the catastrophic end that would befall the compound on the morning of 26 January 2003.

The "opportunity' was not lost on the safari-suited paramilitarys; they immediately began looting the bars of television sets, liquor, stereos and other items that would fit into their personal pickup trucks.

Do you think if the owners had know something they will have left their belongings there.

I agree that most bar owners had no idea this was comming, most believed that they were paying their rent to a landlord and had no reason to suspect that the landlord was not in turn paying Chuwit. If the truth be known, there were bar owners who had no idea of Chuwit's existence in the food chain, they had their landlord and that's all that really mattered, that's why the whole thing was so unfair.

There was huge signs telling them that the lease contracts they had was not valid, and they should not pay to the people who told them they have a lease from Chuwit !

So how can they say they did not know ???

How stupid are you allowed to be ?

The only thing they can say, is that they was surprices is was so powerfull done !

But they can not sya they was surpriced that something would happpend that would kick them out from a space they had no right to be !!

Looting did we nor hear much about !

Bar owners know they lived there on borrowed time !

Remember the big signs, they where there for months !

As i remember was all allowed to go in and take their things, those i knew that time opened a new bar a few weeks later.

Would you like some occupy your land without paying ? And you can not move them !

I am always making sure our un-used land is fenced of with barbwire !

Take a look at these links

http://www.bangkokeyes.com/map10.html

http://www.bangkokeyes.com/suksquare.html

Not all is right, but it give a view of what happend !

If you didn't know, you most had been death !

I was there the night before and some times doing the week up to it, and all was talking about that they soon had to move out !

That was the 2 first bars from Soi 8, a couple of poolbars deeper in !

I could see that all the owners was walking around talking with each other, they was scared about what would come !

There was huge signs in front, facing Sukhumvit, so if your wife had read these, she had known that something was going on.

It took long time before Chuwit made the raid (as he actually blamed a midleman do) !

So the Italien guy had been a fool, no friends telling him what there was on the signs and what was going on !

Post and replies with an un-called for personal attack on another member's wife have been removed from view.

Next post like this will earn that member a holiday from Thai Visa.

You forgot one !

"Posted Today, 07:37

Hope that this scum losses his appeal and end s up in jail with some other inmates finishing him off.....this guy was once selling girls including underaged girls from neighbouring countries and yet Thais voted him in. I also hope that someday somebody would send his kids to work in a brothel. Simply filth along with the media and people who support him. ""

He needs to go to jail, what he did to the livelyhood of those bar owners was a disgrace, plus, he flattened my local and one of the best pool bars in Bangkok. For anyone who isn't aware he basically hired the army to flatten the block whilst the BIB stood by and let it happen.

A lot of the girls and other employees lost Id cards and othe valuables

Why did their iD cards lay back in closed bars ?? (it was late at night they came) !!

If they had asked for it, they was allowed in to pickup their thingsw, hundred others was allowed that

(they got back all their inventory, stock, personally belongings etc.)

It was wood sheds

I can only repeat what the Newspapers wrote after that raid.

A big group of Army soldiers with heavy equipment, bulldozers came and gave the Bars and whatever businesses only a very short time 10-30 minutes to get out of their premises. by far not enough time to get it all.

The Police was informed and advised not to intervene and they did not intervene!

Than the place was raided and flattened

Sure no time for discussions and to bring all important things out of your shack, who did not move would have been hurt or killed!

That is how the papers told it!

There was NO buldozers, a backhoe was all and some big lorrys !

There is splenty of photos of it !

I was there the night before, and i passed it the day after !

There had not been any buldozers around there.

Limitation is 15 years i think !

They just wrote about some of these <deleted> who stole a lot of money on the bank scandals in 97, they had just returned home with their pocket full of money !

He needs to go to jail, what he did to the livelyhood of those bar owners was a disgrace, plus, he flattened my local and one of the best pool bars in Bangkok. For anyone who isn't aware he basically hired the army to flatten the block whilst the BIB stood by and let it happen.

A lot of the girls and other employees lost Id cards and othe valuables

Why did their iD cards lay back in closed bars ?? (it was late at night they came) !!

If they had asked for it, they was allowed in to pickup their thingsw, hundred others was allowed that !!

As i wrote before, all know that something was underway, the war had gone on for quite some time before he made the raid (years) so they have no excuse !

Chuwit was not out after all the bar owners, he actually tried to convince them that they had to pay the lease to him, but they did not, even Chuwit could prove the land blonged to him and that the lease on it was chancelled !

So how can bar owners later come and say they was hurt badly ??? (they got back all their inventory, stock, personally belongings etc.)

It was wood sheds, not houses there was on the plot !!

The plot is the corner of sukhumvit and Soi 10 !

Now Chuwit Park !

He owns it and paid for the park.

The reason for that he want them of the land was, that he wanted to develope it, but because so many said he was only greedy, he decided to give the Bangkok people a Park !

Open all day for every body.

Yes, he had some massage parlours, a little statistic, prostetution between foreigners and Thais is only about 10% of all prostetution in Thailand, so how many do you think is involved ?

He ran massage parlours same way as thousand others did !

Now he think he is convereted to be a honest man, and do quite a good job in fight corruption, so at leat he do a littele to Thailand now, all the others dosen't !

What about all these who had been stealing national park land ??? You all enjoy to stay at their resorts/hotels etc.

Chuwit became an MP after the crime was committed but before he was convicted, a smart move on his part I reckon.

Chuwit did it because the sick system in Thailand do not help people in this situation !

You had not been so long i think, most of us have heard about people who own some land, suddenly they see some who had moved in and camped on their land, but here in Thailand you can not just kick them out, they will claim that their family had lived there for so and so many years, even all know they moved in last month, but the court system works so slow, that it will easy take 10 years before you have a court who say you can move them, then if you do it to hard your are blamed for that too !

So would you like some use your property without your aproval ???

No of course not, so therefore can we support Chuwit in what he did (no one was heart, only structures was smashed, inventory was mostly saved and people was allowed to pick it up later) !

I would use another methode, spraying pig manure all over my land at night !!! (but not so easy in Soi 10 Sukhumvit ) !