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Quake Death Toll in 2004 Could Be Worst Since 1556
By Robert Roy Britt
LiveScience Senior Writer
posted: 11 February 2005
10:39 am ET
A final analysis of the Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami is likely to create a death toll in 2004 greater than any caused by ground shaking in more than four centuries.
While the total deaths from the Dec. 26, 2004 disaster remains uncertain, it stands at 275,950, according to a U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) statement released Thursday. A comparatively small number of other earthquake-related fatalities for the year brings the total to 276,856, the agency reported.
However, other disaster officials put the known deaths at between 162,000 and 178,000, with a list of missing between 26,000 to 142,000. Those figures add up to a possible death toll range of between 188,000 and 320,000.
It remains to be seen whether the final tally will exceed 1976, when a magnitude 7.5 temblor killed roughly 255,000 people in and around Tangshan, China.
On Jan. 23, 1556, a quake thought to have been magnitude-8 killed an estimated 830,000 people in Shansi, China.
Historically, most earthquake deaths are caused directly by the shaking. But tsunamis and fires have contributed to combined catastrophes before. In 1755, an earthquake in Lisbon, Portugal triggered a tsunami and fires that combined to kill more than 60,000 people.
Recent large earthquakes
The Dec. 26, 2004 earthquake was put at magnitude 9.0 initially. One group of scientists said earlier this week it was actually 9.3. As of Thursday, however, the USGS was still using the 9.0 figure. Depending on what number geologists ultimately settle on, it will go down in history as the second or third strongest event ever measured.
The all-time largest, magnitude 9.5, hit Chile in 1960.
In 2004, just three days before the Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami, another large earthquake -- magnitude 8.1 -- struck north of Macquarie Island, about a thousand miles southwest of New Zealand. There were no reported deaths.
Prior to that, the last great earthquake was a magnitude 8.3 in Hokkaido, Japan, in September of 2003.
In 2003, 33,819 deaths were attributed to earthquakes; about 31,000 owing to a magnitude 6.6 temblor that struck Bam, Iran on Dec. 26 of that year. In 2002, 1,711 people were killed by earthquakes.
Normal for nature
The largest U.S. earthquake in 2004 was a magnitude 6.8 in southeastern Alaska.
A magnitude 6.0 temblor struck Parkfield, Calif., on Sept. 28, 2004. Long anticipated by geologists, it ruptured roughly the same segment of the San Andreas Fault that had cracked in 1966, 1934, 1922, 1901, 1881 and 1857.
The deadliest U.S. earthquake in history struck San Francisco on April 18, 1906. The magnitude 7.8 quake killed about 3,000 people, but many of the deaths were attributed to fires that ravaged the city.
None of this is unusual in the grand scope of nature. Earth rattles constantly. About 50 measurable earthquakes occur every day. On average, each year there are 18 major earthquakes with a magnitude of 7.0 to 7.9, and one great earthquake of magnitude 8.0 or higher, according to the USGS.
Geologists caution that the magnitudes of historical events are in some cases estimated based on little or no instrumented seismographic measurement.
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Heavy tollSix weeks after the disaster, rescue teams are still recovering more than 1,000 bodies a day from the wreckage.
Indonesia now says it has found more than 115,000 bodies and estimates that another 130,000 are still missing, bringing the total number of deaths to about 245,000 in Indonesia alone.
But even that might not give the full picture.
Privately, the United Nations says that for the purposes of planning, they used an estimate of more than 300,000 dead.
(Aceh) The toll currently stands at 117,000 dead and 124,000 missing, and 400,000 people remain dependent on aid.
---guardian, Monday February 14, 2005
The massive earthquake and flood left some 300,000 people dead or missing when it hit a number of South East Asian countries in December.
---reuters, Sun February 13, 2005 5:46 PM GMT+02:00
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There was a very good documentary on UK TV featureing this in the past.. May have been an 'Equinox' episode
I saw one also, think it may have been on Discovery Channel. Something like 200 foot wave would be caused.
Latest I heard or read was that the USA was trying to work some way of blowing it up into small pieces. Must be possible I guess?
Headlines!!! Same move?
But I have same something for thinking!
Experts try to predict what next tsunami will do
Philip Liu of Cornell University in New York and several of his colleagues rushed to Sri Lanka after the Dec. 26 Indian Ocean tsunami.
Liu’s team had developed a computer model to predict how a quake might generate a tsunami and wanted to test it.
Such a system might be plugged in to an early warning network to help determine which quakes are likely to cause a tsunami, Liu said. The magnitude 9 earthquake off the coast of the Indonesian island of Sumatra lifted the sea floor 15 feet (4.5 metres) and displaced trillions of gallons of water, inundating coastlines thousands of miles (km) away.
More than 300,000 people were killed or have disappeared. There were virtually no warnings, although in some instances it took hours for the giant waves to arrive.
Liu’s team wants to develop a quick way to measure a quake and plug the data into the model to predict whether and where a tsunami may hit in time to warn people. In the case of the Sumatra quake, the model showed it displacing a column of water both up and down.
It should, according to the model, have sent a trough first and then a wave in one direction, and a giant wave followed by a trough and then more waves in another. And that is what happened, Liu told a news conference organized by the Smithsonian Institution’s Smithsonian magazine.
While a “negative” wave went to Thailand, causing waters to recede before the wave hit, a “positive” wave hit parts of India and Sri Lanka, giving no warning before the waters rose.
Furthermore, the model showed the waves wrapping around the island of Sri Lanka, which also happened in December.
“You would think the (Colombo) region was protected,” Liu said, pointing to Sri Lanka’s capital on the west coast of the island, away from Indonesia. “But Colombo actually was affected.”
Looking into the past: Tsunamis are rare events and while Liu looked for eyewitness verification of his prediction methods, other scientists said they are forced sometimes to literally dig for clues.
Jody Bourgeois and colleagues at the University of Washington examined sediments left in Chile by a tsunami generated by a magnitude 9.5 quake in May 1960.
They visited the village of Mehuin, at the mouth of Rio Lingue in southern Chile. “People here knew to go to high ground,” she said. Only 40 were killed, although the tsunami turned what had been a village and farmers’ fields into a wide place in the river.
The villagers and farmers showed her where fields had been, and her team saw clear evidence of heavy deposits of dirt and sand washed over the area by the tsunami. Back home, they saw similar patterns in Washington’s Puget Sound and elsewhere. The Juan de Fuca plate off the Washington coast has a subduction zone, where one underwater plate slides under another, similar to the Sumatran zone.
As in Indonesia’s Aceh province, the tsunami from such a quake would arrive in just minutes. Earthquakes are not the only threat. James Luhr, a volcanologist at the Smithsonian’s National Museum of Natural History, said Mount St. Helens, which erupted and collapsed in 1980, dumped 2.6 cubic km (.6 cubic miles) of ash, mud and rock on the surrounding area. California’s Mt Shasta deposited 46 cubic km (11 cubic miles) of material, changing the landscape in a way that can still be seen clearly 350,000 years later.
US Geological Survey sonographic scans show extensive areas around old underwater volcanoes near Hawaii and the Canary Islands off Africa that make Mt. Shasta’s deposits look tiny. Some contain up to 500 cubic km (120 cubic miles) of debris. Luckily, Luhr said, they only seem to occur every 125,000 years or so.
--- reuters
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I hve made a list of jewelary with inscription, perhaps someone regonizes anything?
The blue ones someone is already working on,but any ferder info is welkom!
UPDATED 13-02
Male/female, inscription, body ID number
M (bracelet) Grary and Clristian 17 Sep 93 BK047
F AGATHA ?
F CARPE DIEM BMK239
F 25-6-84 DIN STEINAR BMS0134
F Pelle 15-7-91 BMS0477(I have a picture of the ring)
F DU AR MIN en ORJAN(meerdere ringen) BMS0609 (I have a picture of the rings)
M Sara 2/6-96 Du ar min BMS0644
F Louisa CARPE,DM,DIEM LK0086
F christian camille LK0116
M Christiano 19/4/60 LK0117
M SOLVEIG31/12/1990 LK0170
F golden ring with 1987 LKO187
F INGELA 5MAR 2001 CARPE DIEM LK0220
M DIN NANCY ERIKA 2002 LK0240
M big silver ring, AELKE LK0282
M Andrea 21/12/94 LK0285 (I have a picture of the ring)
M Din Beru 25-8-99 LK0305
F Bernt 19 /31/12.55 LK0309
M YUSANNE or Susanne 13/11/99 PO37N231
M IRMGARD 23.1.59 PO41N235
M R.K.23.2.57 RO22
M TIA 191/193 1/193 27/4/02 RO23
M DINTURID 25-1-69 RO26
M MONICA 14/7 2000 RO83
F DAVID 17-6-2000 and DAVID-JOANA TF0036(I have a picture of the ring)
M Meijal 17-6-88 TF0057(I have a picture of the ring)
M golden ring with 15-11-80 TF0060(picture of ring)
F HASSE 2/7/1986 ELS TF0130(I have a picture of the ring)
M MARIE 14/11/90 TF0392
F Lars-AKE 14/2-88 and 'Lars-AKE 1/2-03 TF0521
M KATRIN 22.5.1992 TF0546(I have a picture of the ring)
F JARMO 17.6.88 and J.J. 16.6-89 TF0569
M Gull-Britt 17/9-88 TP0251
M Eva 3/1-92 25/4-92 TP0533
M MAJVOR 31/12/94 TP1249
M 22.9.91 TP1274
M M&J 3/12 59 TP1321
M Mirja 16.5.59 TP0505
F Hilkka 27.11.5 TF0565
F PETRI 10-6-88 TF0375
F BERNT 19 31/12.55 LK0309
F MATS 12/6/2004, ALALS 21/6/2002 TF0342
M beard, ring with Fatina? and
21/11/1997 LKO206
M ring with AELKE LKO282
M R.K.23.2.57 RO22
F 10.09.87 TF0364
F WERNI MAI TF0188
F HANS (ring with diamants) TF0116(picture of ring)
Maybee this can help, but start thinking real!!!
SORRY!?!?
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RDN, that is just the British side.
mffun, 3 months is what Ive been told.
astral, refrigerated containers/trucks is what Ive been told. Ill be honest, I didnt go to the actual place to see for myself.
My mate is the driver, for the Brit Embassy guys.
Thanks Torny and mffun - I understand now. What a situation - absolutely terrible for all concerned.
astral - as for mortuary space, I thought they were burying a lot of bodies for 'storage' because they don't have enough refrigerator trucks or buildings.
It needs more time, or what you think now???
Apology for everyone, but this is real way!
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Initiative to strengthen economic partnership between Thailand, EU
The European Union is providing 250 million baht to Thai non-profit organisations over a two-year period with an aim to help Thailand better understand the complexities of doing business in the EU market, including the trade bloc's complicated trade restrictions.
Starting this year, the short-term project called Small Project Facility (SPF) will allocate 150 million baht to eligible applicants, while the rest will be funded next year, according to Johan Cauwenbergh, the First Counsellor at the Delegation of the European Commission in Thailand.
The SPF is open for various non-profit organisations such as business associations, universities, government departments and think tanks. It is also available to various activities including technical assistance, training and capacity building, business-related research, seminars and workshops that promote the image of the EU and Thailand as models or examples of best practice.
The eligible issues submitted in the proposal should relate to bilateral trade and investment, market access, improving industrial output and issues resulting from the WTO Doha Ministerial Declaration.
The minimum grant size is 1.5 million baht and the maximum is 10 million baht. There are two deadlines for the receipt of the applications, which are April 5 and August 1.
For more details, visit the website -...
bangkokpost.com ....
ok, sorry dont have more now, but follows...........................
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Oh i like this... -britmaveric- "Lifeguards who can't swim? As much as that surprises me...it really doesnt!"
OK, Lifeguard? NEVER!!! Real thinking, everyone must must alone look, what would like everyone and must even self secure. That is always the best Way. - Why you want wait what other people say, this really helps you, ok, I wishes you luck!
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mffun,
thanks for those links.
That Global Security site is very interesting, it's worthwhile to have a look at the rest of that website.
thanks you!
but everywhere it gives still as much more, and where you still more are interested?
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Asian Tsunami Imagery
Khaolak, Thailand
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/wor...and/khaolak.htm
Some more Pics Patong Beach:
http://www.manager.co.th/Science/ViewNews....D=9480000003326
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oh sorry, nothing to do but it starts now!
And not before!
Still not with you Old Bean! Have you had a cocktail or two too many?
Maybee, but it is correct for which it goes!!!
ok, if it will be closed, but it concerns the truth, sometimes people must thinking and not only always read!
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surely, this starts only now after tsunami and not before, thinking, hello...
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This has nothing to do with Thailand. Please take it somewhere else.
Here's a suggestion:
cv
oh sorry, nothing to do but it starts now!
And not before!
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Germany now starts more co-operation with the USA?!?
Everything you can read or hear in news "so muchch now!!!
Thank you for your opinion!
I hope much, it follow a few opinions over it!
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Thailand to webcast last moments of death- row prisoners
Last Updated Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:15:51 EST
CBC News
BANGKOK - Thailand plans to stream live webcasts of prison life – including the last minutes of an inmate before he's executed – to try to deter criminals.
Cameras have already been set up at Bangkwang maximum-security prison in Bangkok, which houses more than 6,000 inmates, Thai Corrections officials said Monday.
"From now on people can see life in prison through the internet," said the head of the Corrections Department, Nathee Chitsawang, who added that a date hasn't been set to start the broadcasts.
Web audiences will be able to watch the daily lives of inmates, including nearly 1,000 of them who have been sentenced to death, he said.
Cameras will track condemned men from their cells to their execution.
"The internet will show how we treat the convicts in their last minutes, including the preparation process, but at the time of execution, the viewer will be allowed to see only part of the process," Nathee said.
Nathee said the broadcasts are primarily aimed at deterring potential criminals, especially in the burgeoning drug trade. Thailand executes convicted drug traffickers.
Amnesty International Thailand has condemned the plan, arguing that it would violate a prisoner's rights.
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2,500 Myanmar migrants in Thailand killed by tsunami: NGOs
RANONG - At least 2,500 Myanmar migrant workers were killed in a single Thai province when it was lashed by tsunamis on December 26, Myanmar non-governmental organisations based in Thailand said Sunday.
Source: channelnewsasia.com
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Thailand raises estimated number of foreign dead in tsunami by 900
BANGKOK : Thailand's interior ministry Friday added more than 900 bodies to its estimate of the number of foreigners among 5,313 people killed in last month's tsunami.
The ministry's disaster management unit increased its estimate of the foreign dead by 931 to 2,171 in its latest daily update.
Those believed to be Thai increased slightly to 1,733, leaving 1,409 bodies of unknown origin.
The sudden shift in figures came just five days after the December 26 disaster management unit called into question the national origin of nearly 2,000 bodies.
An interior ministry official who compiled the figures said the latest increase came because of new DNA test results.
"It's a result of the stepped-up identification operation. DNA tests came out overnight," the official said from the Phuket provincial office.
He said the results received from the samples on these 900 bodies did not mean the process of identifying the bodies was complete, only that authorities now believed they knew whether the corpses were Thai.
But Thailand's leading forensic expert, Porntip Rojanasunan, who is leading a massive forensics operation at a Buddhist temple-turned-morgue in Phang Nga province, said DNA could only identify the gender of a body and not its race or nationality.
"DNA can tell whether the victim was a man or woman. It cannot say whether a victim was Thai or foreign," she said.
"The figures were not released by me," she said.
The number of missing continued to slip meanwhile, as authorities followed up on missing persons reports, dropping to 3,238, including 1,055 foreigners.
- AFP, Source: channelnewsasia.com
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mffun, 3 months is what Ive been told.
I know, my reply was for "RDN".
And the remainder was my own opinion.
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Burmese receiving no help
They are being seen as `not worthy' of aid
KULTIDA SAMABUDDHI (for Bangkok Post)
Phangnga _ While foreign tourists and Thais who survived the monster waves have been provided with shelter, basic facilities and financial assistance, hundreds of Burmese workers that are still alive and kicking are being treated as if they don't even exist.
Forget about the 20,000-baht compensation for a Burmese death, 2,000-baht in aid money for an unemployed Burmese, or receiving DNA checks to find their missing relatives. Burmese workers can only think of finding food and drinking water without being arrested and deported by the immigration police who have stepped up their crackdown against them.
Thai villagers and police have accused many of the illegal Burmese workers of theft and break-ins at tsunami-damaged hotels. Only Burmese with work permits and those who were brought back for work by their employers are not being branded as criminals. Auig, 25, a Burmese worker at the Ban Nam Khem fishing village, said Burmese workers who had taken refuge in front of the Takua Pa district office along with some Thai villagers to escape the wrath of the tsunami, had mostly been rounded up by immigrantion police for deportation. The ones who escaped arrest had fled the province and taken refuge at a detention camp in Ranong. Auig and some 20 other Burmese workers arrived from Koh Song in Burma by boat in Ban Nam Khem five years ago in search of employment. Auig was employed as a helper by a Thai fish vendor and received a monthly salary of 3,000 baht before the tsunami devastation.
According to Auig, more than half of about the 2,000 Burmese workers in Ban Nam Khem were missing.
He lost two elder brothers in the disaster and found the body of one and handed it to a rescue party because he had no money to arrange a cremation.
``We haven't received any help from the Thai Government, but it's fine. We have no right to complain,'' Auig said, adding he could not go back to Ban Nam Khem because his employer had also been killed by the waves along with five of his family members. Thouse, 25, a Burmese worker from Ban Nam Khem, said Burmese workers dared not go to Wat Yanyao to search for the dead bodies of their relatives as they were afraid of being arrested.
The Burmese survivors fled in all directions after the tsunami catastrophe, he said, adding some had even set up a camp in a deep jungle on the high mountains. Others were arrested and deported to Burma, and the rest presumed dead.
Meanwhile, a Burmese immigrant advocate called on the government to provide humanitarian aid to alien labourers on par with Thais and foreign tourists.
``Alien workers should not be a subject of discrimination under the disaster relief scheme. These people are severely affected in the same way as Thais and foreign tourists,'' said the activist, who asked for anonymity. Jakkaphan Sareung, head of the Labour Ministry's illegal alien workers suppression unit, said there were about 20,000 Burmese workers in Phangnga. Of this, about 1,000 were deported after the disaster. ``The remaining are hiding in a deep jungle or have returned to their employers,'' he said, adding the officers had deported only the permitless workers and those who wanted to return home.
The ministry and the immigration police yesterday launched joint patrols in Takua Pa District in response to Thai villagers' claim that Burmese workers had been stealing food and valuables from the tsunami-hit hotels, he said.
He urged employers to look after their Burmese workers well if they wanted them to stop committing crimes.
``Many employers abandoned their workers after the disaster. However, the authorities do not want to aggravate the situation further, so we will just send the unemployed back without punishing the employers,'' he said.
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PROFITING FROM TRAGEDY: Foreigners look to scoop up land
Published on Jan 10 , 2005
Investors offer prices up to 75% below last year’s rates for tsunami-hit property
Several foreign investors are negotiating to buy disaster-ravaged land in Phang Nga’s Khao Lak resort town at bargain prices, landowners in Khao Lak said yesterday.
This is the Beginning for setting up the concerned areas.
This can stop only One, but this needs a state of emergency. (???)
This does not exist???
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By not accepting Money he is saying 2 things,
Thailand is giving out 10,000 baht ($256) if you lost someone in your family and ONLY 2,000 baht if you lost your home.
at this time not all correctly:
"Families of Thais who died will also get 30,000 baht but this figure will be doubled if the dead person is the family head. Compensation amounts for families of missing Thais have yet to be finalised."
and
"Deputy Prime Minister Suwat Liptapanlop, in charge of supervising relief efforts, said families of each foreign visitor killed, injured or missing would receive 30,000 baht from the state. The Tourism Authority of Thailand would also pay the expenses of those foreigners searching for missing relatives."
More?: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=24557
This are only shown sources, otherwise my contribution would fail differently!
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mffun is a lot of fun then....
Surely I know, but it is only one friend, no belonging (Sorry, my apology to him),
so much people have same probleme!!!
But many people ask only, are however not really interested.
If he wont to know, surely he can to know everything!!!
I wish all best, for its friend, and sorry again for my real writing.
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Burmese receiving no help
Suggestion, how everyone can help???
Burma say:
- no assistance likes,
- says to everything no,
- no assistance desired,
- no information (but surely 60-100 death victim)
and many more...
How can Help, REAL ???
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At this time Exact data of Military government
Surely: 60 - 80 people are dead
That Military government say 10.000 to 15.000 people needs assistance.
BUT 7000 People needs immediately assistance!!!
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Thailand explains why it does not need foreign aid
BANGKOK: -- Thailand has refused direct aid from foreign donors because the country wants to be on an equal footing with other members of the international community, Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra told reporters on Monday.
However, Thailand would be glad to accept assistance in the form of training and the transfer of technology, Mr. Thaksin explained.
“It’s a different story, between us and the begging bowl. We are grateful and will gladly accept offers of medical aid, schools, housing or hospitals being built for the poor. But what I decline is direct cash funds to the Thai government, because we want to be equal in the international political arena. If we keep begging, our credibility will be undermined,” he said.
The international donor community should give priority to nations which are in dire need of immediate help like Indonesia, where an entire island has been entirely wiped out by the Tsunami.
--TNA 2005-01-11
That is correct, thanks Thaksin!
Now we have one competition with unfortunately to donate.
This is a very bad indication, but same the terror does not stop!!!
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thailand may not need direct cash aid anymore, but so long as corruption in national and local government and corruption in the police force and legal system is prevalent then thailand will remain a third world country in the eyes of the truly developed nations.
thailand still has a long way to go before it will be seen to be on an equal footing with (some) other members of the international community.
That is correctly, but sometimes helps only say, Thanks - and much would be better, for thais.
Its not always only goes around, in order to take over influence.
An Act Of God?
in Thailand News
Posted · Edited by mffun
SORRY, but this have nothing to do with GOD!!!
I mean ATHEIST, BUDDHIST, CHRISTIAN, HINDU, MUSLIM, or whatever!
Hello people, start thinking.
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