federicoP

It seems to me that the main problem here is not whether the motorbike or the car was right, but the fact that two people were involved in an accident where a motorcyclist flew to the ground and their first concern was to make sure that the their car had not been damaged.

Whether they are foreigners, Russians, or something else, and that many Thais would also have behaved in the same way, it doesn't matter: they are two mean people who deserve shame.

51 minutes ago, LivingNThailand said:

At this point I'm hoping they will send me an email reminder like last time. 

My friend that was exactly in your situation has received the email reminder and went directly to the drive-in where they put a new slip starting from that day.
 

Beyond useless discussions, I think we can conclude that in Phuket until recently the 90 days started from the last extension, now they start from the last notification.

A warning for those who have to make the extension to Phuket, and are used to the old system, check your 90 days slip  !!!

I renewed my extension at Phuket Immigration on the 5th of March and they fixed in my passport a new 90 days report slip asking me to notify after 90 days starting from the 5th of March.

Same thing happened to me in the last ten years (always Phuket).

But a friend of mine, that renewed in the middle of March, had the same problem of Livingnthailand.
Maybe a recent change in Phuket Immigration policy ?

On 4/9/2024 at 4:41 PM, aldriglikvid said:

If Thai RD want's me to proof that what was sent, I earned years prior - do we know in what type of form and structure they want to see it?

I suppose it could help to keep your previous earning in a separate frozen account or deposit (possibly frozen from the 31/12/2023) and use this account only for sending money to thailand in the next years.

Absolutely no new income should enter in this account.

6 hours ago, stat said:

Any idea if it possible to get this RO paper online? Great post thanks a lot very helpful!

I usually send the request of RO papers by regular mail, sending the form and the relevant documents to Surat Thani office that is in charge for Phuket area.

The certificates arrive, by mail, to my address after a few days.

I doubt they can send by email but you may ask.

If not, and if you are not in Thailand you could ask to send them to some friend in Thailand, to be later forwarded by your friend by email.

2 hours ago, Mike Lister said:

With your permission I will lift parts of your post and include them in the Simple Tax Guide, it will be helpful for other to know about this?

Will be very glad if this info can be helpful for somebody, your Simple Tax Guide is a very commendable work !!!

Moreover please note that the following is the form used (at least in Phuket area), to request RO 21 and RO22 :

https://www.rd.go.th/region/01/fileadmin/user_upload/pak1doc/roor01-eng-cer/RA01.pdf

13 hours ago, ChasingTheSun said:

Allot of the people you think are Russians are actually Ukranians. 

As per an article in Phuket News dated February 7, which cites data from the Ministry of Tourism and Sports, during the year 2023,   a total of 1,482,611 tourists from Russian Federation arrived in Thailandand, while a total of 36,426 arrived from Ukraine.

It is certainly not easy to distinguish them from each other, but these are the numbers. 

The husband has the one year extension based on a initial non O retirement visa.

The wife wants to come to Thailand and get a dependent extension following the husband's conditions.

She is from Europe, and could enter to Thailand with the 30 days visa exemption.

So the question is : to get a "dependent" one year extension is it necessary to have a previous 90 days non O visa or is it possible to start from a simple visa exemption ?

7 minutes ago, PPGuy said:

There have been previous reports that those in receipt of pensions from Norway,..........

Same thing for Italy, it is ten years that I file a tax return for my pension in Thailand, and I pay taxes that are lower than what I would have to pay in my origin country.

Not so difficult......

On 1/9/2024 at 7:19 PM, SuwadeeS said:

I just asked my neighbors and friends.

Thanks, in the case somebody could be interested, at the end I gave the cleaning and gardening job to Brown Starling, and the swimming pool to APK.

For the moment I am satisfied of my choices

On 12/30/2023 at 10:43 PM, grumpyoldman said:

Are Mario and Maggie still around? M&M pizzeria? Mario made/makes incredible pasta, gnocchi to kill for.

Yes, they are still around, Mario's gnocchi are particularly good (I like them with Gorgonzola)

4 hours ago, Baz Erckens said:

Haha, yeah, I know some guys who mix some cans of pregos together, mushrooms and tomato garlic flavor, and proudly say they "cooked' some nice pasta. :)

Tbh, it is eatable though :D

 

Ah ah, salsa Prego does non exist in Italy, why not try some italian brand like Agnesi, Barilla or De Cecco ?  

26 minutes ago, sometimewoodworker said:

The principle is that you first pay tax in the region of origin, so the rent in the U.K. is taxed in the U.K. along with anything else that is taxable there like pensions.

Your income which includes everything that has been taxed in the U.K. is then declared for Thai tax. The dual taxation agreement then kicks in and the tax paid in the U.K. is deducted from the Thai tax liability. This process means that the U.K. gets first bite so retaining tax liabilities for U.K. property as U.K. revenue.

I do not know in UK, but in my country the tax levels are different depending on the types of income.

Pension and employment have different tax imposition from dividends, from intersts, from property alienation, from property rental, etc.

So it should be better (but very complicated......) to transfer to Thailand only the incomes that have been subjected in the country of origin to high tax levels, and to be able to demonstrate it (even more complicated....)

9 hours ago, topt said:

it uses the word "may" and does not say "must"as you quoted. This certainly raises a question mark in my mind...........

Yes, you are right, I had a version in an other language that is different......

1 hour ago, sometimewoodworker said:

I have no idea what you mean by “DTA”.

Your ideas on “income from immovable property must be taxed only in the country where the property is situated.” is wonderful for you to believe however the Thai tax authorities do not agree. Neither does my investment advisor’s taxation specialist.

What do I mean with "DTA" ?   For example, that one between UK and Thailand :

https://www.rd.go.th/fileadmin/download/nation/english_e.pdf

I have never seen in any official document that the Thai Revenue does not agree with the DTAs stipulated by Thailand and other around 60 Countries , and in any case it certainly does not have the authority to cancel any international agreement.

1 hour ago, sometimewoodworker said:

the advice is that ALL income (from any origin including from property) remitted to Thailand WILL be subject to Thai taxation, however dual taxation treaties ( do note all Thai dual taxation treaties are bilateral so no 2 are the same)  may reduce the tax payable in Thailand, possibly eliminating it for some people.

If you read the articles 7 and 14 you can see that the income from immovable properties, including their alienation, is taxable in the country where they are located. 

1 hour ago, sometimewoodworker said:

 

You also have a rather confused understanding of dual taxation agreements. None of them stop you being taxed in Thailand if the calculations show that your income is high enough and the counterparties tax charged is lower than your Thai tax liability.

I never said that, based on DTA, you can avoid completely and always to pay the thai taxes, I said that, in many cases, your DTA can save you from paying additional taxes (immovable property, and the recommendation to keep separate accounts was just an example).

In some case, it can even help you to reduce your total tax expenditure.

Obviously it depends on your DTA and the kind of income.

14 hours ago, sometimewoodworker said:

For the taxation it is not important how the income becomes yours,  if you have a job you earn income if you get money from other sources that can be stocks, bonds, property etc it is income.

How the income becomes yours could be important from the point of view of the applicable DTA.

For instance generally all the DTAs state that income from immovable property must be taxed only in the country where the property is situated.

In this case, if somebody has a property outside Thailand, it would be wise to use a separate account, in his country, where to receive this income and from where to send the money to Thailand.

In the case that Thai Revenue asks something about this money transfer, it will be easy to demonstrate that it comes from a property that, based on the DTA, is not taxable in Thailand.

13 minutes ago, Mike Lister said:

And I could win the lottery tomorrow.....stop hypothesising and second guessing, it helps nobody..

I fear that many of those who are writing on this forum have very little information, if not zero, about what they are writing about.

6 hours ago, liddelljohn said:

Yes agree with you but , what the Thais are actually proposing could break DTA rules thats whats got people exited and worried

I have never read anything like this in any official or semi-official Thai document.

To tear up international treaties, which are considered a supreme law in many countries and that are discussed and ratified at the highest levels of heads of government or states, an announcement from the Thai Revenue would certainly not be enough.

But if you have more specific information on the fact that Thailand intends to unilaterally abrogate its sixty double taxation treaties, it would be interesting to see it.

38 minutes ago, liddelljohn said:

Frederico ,, its simple , if I have already paid Tax on it in one country I cannot be made to pay Tax again  , so income taxed in say UK   cannot then be taxed again when sent to Thailand   thats international  Tax law 101

And to avoid that a person pays twice the tax on his income, there are the Double Tax Agreements,  usually based on the model issued by OECD or that one issued by UN.

Almost every country has a lot of DTA's, Thailand has DTA with around 60 countries, my country has DTA with around one hundred differrent countries, they are applied normally worldwide without being stamped as "contrary to all international laws".

Personally I pay some taxes in Italy and some taxes in Thailand.

That's all, no need to despair or to curse.

1 hour ago, sirineou said:

there are an estimated 3-4 million expats living in Thailand thats 5% of the Thai population. 

Yes, and the main part are workers from Cambodia, Myanmar and Laos, probaby they would be happy to receive some foreing income.

Other foreign westerns are here for business and, as per Wikipedia, the number of retirement visa issued in 2018, that can be interested in this law, was around 80.000.

Not exactly a huge number.

7 minutes ago, Mike Lister said:

It isn't, he just upset. Any sovereign state can impose whatever tax rules and regulations it wishes, end of story.

We are all upset, we thought we lived in a tax haven and could forget the word "tax", but suddenly we discover that this is not true.........

16 hours ago, liddelljohn said:

what the Thais are proposing but unlikey to actually implement is  contrary to all international law and dual tax treaties

I do not understand why it is contrary to all international law and dual tax treaties, can you explain me better ?

In my native conuntry (Italy) if you import some money from abroad you have to explain from where this money is coming and, if not covered by a TDA, you must pay tax on it.

Moreover, if you have any investement abroad, also if not generating income, you are obliged to declare it and to pay a small tax.

4 minutes ago, Lemsta69 said:

2 hours ago, federicoP said:

Do we really believe we live in a more stupid and easy country than our native one ?

 

Yes. 

Fortunately we can always return to our native country

31 minutes ago, liddelljohn said:

I dont and never have had to pay  tax on any money or investments  held in any country I am not resident in ,  either in my home country of UK or my  dual citizen EU country or anywhere i have been resident  for career of 45 years   in my jobs  unless I brought that money as earned income  into resident country /

 

This is exactly what will happen in Thailand : you will pay tax if you bring your foreign income to Thailand, unless the DTA help you (and it often helps)