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In 2011, the average person visiting Thailand spent $137 per day - The average Chinese visitor spent $146.63 per day.
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There are a few things at play here, many Chinese middle class are still relatively poorly paid, around 8-10,000rmb a month, ( about £800-£1000 ). Just being able to get out of the country is a big deal in itself, never mind arriving here and blowing vast amounts.
If you want to see the Chinese elite blow vast amounts, visit HK and Macau.
What we are seeing with the Chinese is a re-run of 1970's UK travel, people venturing abroad for the first time looking like deer caught in the headlights. Within a few years foreign travel will be de riguer and the amount of visitors from China will soar to a volume that you cannot fathom. I reckon by 2020 there will be a minimum of 8 million visitors to Thailand every year.
There's a report in that half of the 40,000 beds in CM were taken by Chinese tourists this Songkran, this new invasion will change the face of tourism. .
For 5 days only. Not a heck of a lot when you consider they are niot really spending money on tourist attractions.
Give it a chance to develop HD, they were here in high numbers at Chinese New Year too........it took 20 years for the UK package holiday industry to develop......the Chinese will follow the same path over a couple of decades or less.
I refer you back to your own post where they really don't have that much money.
The amount being spent is actually per day per trip ... not for their entire trip. The average spend per day has been published a number of times but this article misstates the number as being per trip instead of per day. Countries all over are trying to capture more of the Chinese tourist market these days.
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If the rates keep going like they are now it will be sooner. From 2006 to 2012 the number of Chinese visitors tripled. Last year was about 2.8 Million.I reckon by 2020 there will be a minimum of 8 million visitors to Thailand every year.
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Given to this point there has been 3 more deaths and 291 fewer accidents ...."injuries were reduced by 312"! What does that mean, does it mean the police actually did something to reduce accidents, or does it mean that a few more injured people died, thus making the injured statics sound better?
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can or do they differentiate songkran deaths from non related deaths?
The numbers pretty much doubled during Songkran last year than they would a normal week and would guess that will hold about true for this year too..
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I predict a total of 315 or 5 shy of last year.
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The 2013 (covering 2010) WHO report lists Thailand as having 13,365 deaths within 30-days of the accident. Thailand reported 8,093 deaths for this same year. Basically they add about 40%, for less rich nations, to cover people dying within 30-days.Well, I just read on my phone, if I can find a way to link it showing 12000+ defined dead at the scene according to the WTO. I have the PDF here.
They report that many stats have to be extrapolated but 12000 at the scene can represent double in comparison with the 30 comparison used elsewhere.
Where the latest report obviously goes wrong and what many people want to latch onto is a real number is to then take that 13,000 number and double it to say that is the total for all road deaths this year no matter how long after the accident they occur (maybe they didn't even happen yet). Previous reports didn't double the number and this is an obvious mistake as you can see from the graphs and no other country's numbers doubled or came anywhere close to having any kind of significant increase from the last report.
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Yes I read the links before. My take after reading them, and from the statement by the Interior Minister, is that the the rise between 2007 and 2010 may be explained by including deaths that occur in hospital resulting from injuries received. It's widely reported that the official stats are of those who die at the scene only. Anyway, this part of the debate will only be resolved by consistant methodology in the gathering of stats.......maybe one day.
I understand it easy to make such an assumption but it is wrong. Both WHO reports (2007 & 2010) calculate for people dying within 30 Days and use negative binomial regression to come up with a "Point Number" to calculate all deaths even if they happen many years later.
The number WHO says for 2010 is around 13,500 (Thailand) for people dying within 30 Days but then go on to give a final "Point Number" of 26,000 for the Point Number. On the other hand they give the USA a 30 Day death toll of 33,000 for the US but a Point Total of 35,500.
In other words Thailand's number doubled from deaths within 30 Days while the US went up 8%. Even more more modern healthcare (without considering the number of uninsured in the US) can not justify these numbers of expected deaths past 30-days.
And probably the biggest reason to understand the Point Number is BS is that in the 2009 report (http://www.un.org/ar/roadsafety/pdf/roadsafetyreport.pdf) for 2007 Deaths the WHO says Thailand had a Point Number of 12,492 ... but for 2010 it gives a number of around 26,000 ?????
Simply looking at the charts comparing countries from 2007 to 2010 which I previously posted shows there is something significantly wrong with the Thai Point Number this year. No other country saw there numbers about double and no matter what anyone wants to believe the road death totals in Thailand didn't double from 2007 to 2010.
Keep digging, but I think you may be peeing up a waterfall to prove that driving in Thailand isn't significantly more dangerous than more developed countries.
Good luck.
You should try to comprehend what you are reading before making assumption that have absolutely no basis and is opposite to what I have stated including that driving is obviously going to be more dangerous in a less developed nation. Closing your eyes to facts and just pretending what you want to pretend isn't going to help you be informed on a subject.
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Not much of a night owl but am all for extending the hours and thing they should go to about 6:00 am and then people have more options to use public transportation to get home.
I am almost always in favor of less regulation when it comes to adults and business making their own choices to cater to each other.
However, I doubt any extension is going to happen because Thailand is moving more towards the west of greater regulations and reduced freedoms.
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Yes I read the links before. My take after reading them, and from the statement by the Interior Minister, is that the the rise between 2007 and 2010 may be explained by including deaths that occur in hospital resulting from injuries received. It's widely reported that the official stats are of those who die at the scene only. Anyway, this part of the debate will only be resolved by consistant methodology in the gathering of stats.......maybe one day.
I understand it easy to make such an assumption but it is wrong. Both WHO reports (2007 & 2010) calculate for people dying within 30 Days and use negative binomial regression to come up with a "Point Number" to calculate all deaths even if they happen many years later.
The number WHO says for 2010 is around 13,500 (Thailand) for people dying within 30 Days but then go on to give a final "Point Number" of 26,000 for the Point Number. On the other hand they give the USA a 30 Day death toll of 33,000 for the US but a Point Total of 35,500.
In other words Thailand's number doubled from deaths within 30 Days while the US went up 8%. Even more more modern healthcare (without considering the number of uninsured in the US) can not justify these numbers of expected deaths past 30-days.
And probably the biggest reason to understand the Point Number is BS is that in the 2009 report (http://www.un.org/ar/roadsafety/pdf/roadsafetyreport.pdf) for 2007 Deaths the WHO says Thailand had a Point Number of 12,492 ... but for 2010 it gives a number of around 26,000 ?????
Simply looking at the charts comparing countries from 2007 to 2010 which I previously posted shows there is something significantly wrong with the Thai Point Number this year. No other country saw there numbers about double and no matter what anyone wants to believe the road death totals in Thailand didn't double from 2007 to 2010.
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Maybe a visual will help.
If you want to have confidence in the WHO estimates for Thailand (which by the way WHO doesn't for 2010) you have to then accept that Thailand went from 19.6 Deaths per 100,000 to 38.1 deaths per 100,000 in 3-years .... in other words deaths in 2007 where about 13,500 (not far off of official Thai numbers) compared with 26,500 in 2010. This of course makes no sense since the WHO numbers start with the official Thai numbers and those numbers have gone down from 2007 compared to 2010.
2007 (published 2009) WHO numbers
2010 (published 2013) WHO numbers
Links:
http://www.who.int/iris/bitstream/10665/78256/1/9789241564564_eng.pdf
http://www.thaiwebsites.com/caraccidents.asp
http://web.archive.org/web/20130122154009/http://www.thaiwebsites.com/caraccidents.asp -
So the Interior Minister has confidence in the 26000 death figure, he released the number himself at the press confidence himself, but you don't........interesting.
Now all of a sudden you are putting stock into what a Thai politician thinks?
By the way, I never saw anywhere that he quoted or even acknowledged this number. The paper did and they obviously got it from WHO.
I really suggest you read the report and you will understand that WHO doesn't even put faith in that number and that they actually refer to the deaths being around 13,500 to include deaths within 30-days of the accident.
The WHO numbers are based on the Thai numbers, the WHO doesn't collect data except from the official Thai numbers. The Whos's latest report came out in 2013 and is looking at the year 2010. Their previous report was in 2007. If you want to believe the latest adjusted total of 26,000 then you need to accept that either WHO had been way off in all their other reports on Thailand or that road deaths have more than doubled since 2007 which I think we all know they have not.
I've provided the links to both the Thai numbers as well as the latest WHO report. I would suggest iif you want to honestly understand and discuss the number of deaths than read those reports instead of being stubborn and looking for belief in things like a Thai politician commenting on road fatalities being too high within a news story about that quoted the latest WHO report's adjusted estimate..
But as stated numerous times I think the actual numbers are meaningless and my comments where never about which were accurate and I couldn't have made that clearer and the reason why is because I know people get obsessed with the numbers rather than if and by how much things are changing. Actual numbers I guess are important if you want to compare country to country but do you really need to do this to know richer countries that are more modern and have been much longer do and should have less road deaths than a poorer country who has rocketed into modernization so fast the last decades.
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I wonder what normal consumption is during the year on similar days. The numbers are largely pointless to report unless you know what they normally are. I'd be curious to know if there was any significant reduction in power consumption during this time.During the period, power consumption peaked at 24,955 megawatts when the mercury hit 37.5 degrees Celsius, and 25,226MW when it was 38 degrees.
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Or use the apple against apple multiplier... Meaning if the official Thai number of highway deaths is 8000 per year, and the WHO thinks it is really 26000, that would mean you would have to multiply the official Thai holiday deaths by roughly a factor of three to get an accurate number. That would place the real toll for the three days at about 519. Which would mean of course that a lot more people than average are killed during these holidays. I personally will be cowering at home waiting for Songkran to finish.... :-)
Actually your math is incorrect. If you increase numbers by the same factor then the percentage of increase is going to be the same.
Example. if you have compare 2 and 8 then you know 8 is 4x more than 2. But if you double or triple each number then one is always going to be 3x more. No matter what numbers you want to use the percentages are the same and 2 to 3x more people will die on the road during Songkran.
As for hiding at home it seems a bit extreme and paranoid because even if you take the highest estimates available, your odds of dying on the road are extremely slim and even slimmer if you are not drunk driving a motorbike without a helmet and insanely slim if you are not even driving at all.
Actually the math is pretty simple. Take official numbers and roughly triple them to see what is actually happening. Surprised you had trouble with that concept as your posts generally seem fairly erudite ....
My cowering at home is actually to protect my eyes from drunks trying to blast my face with the " banned" pipe water guns.
Why would you want to compare the WHO numbers from their last report when ...
WHO doesn't estimate the number of deaths over Songkran
The last WHO report is the first where the numbers dramatically differed from the Thai numbers (minus adding about 40% for deaths within 30 days) and they even state in their last report they didn't have certain data from Thailand and they have little confidence in their estimate for Thailand in this report. A logical person might assume that deaths didn't triple during the year of this last report especially considering all their estimates start out based on the number of reported deaths from Thai officials and according to them deaths were down.
Who adjust numbers to represent deaths within 30-days to make all countries comparable since many have different periods that they report on but the numbers obviously given on a daily basis for deaths each day over Songkran are for those killed that day.
If you compare Thai numbers to Thai numbers then you are comparing apple to apples because the data collection is the same and then if you want to take the number of increased deaths over these given days and multiply them by whatever factor you want to come up with number of dead over 30-days or 5-years after the accident and/or to account for any disbelief you have in the numbers due to errors, lies, conspiracies or any other reasons the numbers could be off.
If you didn't like what the trends showed in my original post so be it but the trends were based on comparing apples to apples and as I clearly stated a number of times it was to view trends and not actual death count since they can always be disputed and what is more important is if things are improving or not and the way to know this is to compare apple to apples to see a trend and not base your data on numbers that don't exist (WHOs number for Songkran) or base numbers on an estimate from a report whose author states little confidence in their number for that report and whose numbers are grossly different than years before when they did state 95% confidence.
Links:
http://www.who.int/iris/bitstream/10665/78256/1/9789241564564_eng.pdf
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/626230-road-tolls-in-thailand-among-highest-in-the-world/
If you read this thread the Thai Interior Minister says that Thai annual road deaths are about 26000, inline with the WHO figure.
The numbers are from WHIO - the ones I explained previously are way out of par this last report and to which they admit they don't have confidence because they didn't have all the relevant data - It is not the Thai Interior Minster saying this, he is just commenting on the numbers from that report.
I certainly don't know what the exact numbers are and have gone beyond normal communication skills to explain the actual numbers are not relevant to my comments with where just looking at trends and therefore only need to use the same method of collection year after year compared to the holiday. However, I am certainly not going to believe the WHO numbers of this last report are accurate since they are clear to say there is not much confidence in their number for this report and their number has doubled or tripled since the last report when there is no way in the world the numbers went up and it makes no sense to believe they did since the Thai numbers (the ones WHO bases all their calculations on) are down.
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Actually the math is pretty simple. Take official numbers and roughly triple them to see what is actually happening. Surprised you had trouble with that concept as your posts generally seem fairly erudite ....Or use the apple against apple multiplier... Meaning if the official Thai number of highway deaths is 8000 per year, and the WHO thinks it is really 26000, that would mean you would have to multiply the official Thai holiday deaths by roughly a factor of three to get an accurate number. That would place the real toll for the three days at about 519. Which would mean of course that a lot more people than average are killed during these holidays. I personally will be cowering at home waiting for Songkran to finish.... :-)
Actually your math is incorrect. If you increase numbers by the same factor then the percentage of increase is going to be the same.
Example. if you have compare 2 and 8 then you know 8 is 4x more than 2. But if you double or triple each number then one is always going to be 3x more. No matter what numbers you want to use the percentages are the same and 2 to 3x more people will die on the road during Songkran.
As for hiding at home it seems a bit extreme and paranoid because even if you take the highest estimates available, your odds of dying on the road are extremely slim and even slimmer if you are not drunk driving a motorbike without a helmet and insanely slim if you are not even driving at all.
My cowering at home is actually to protect my eyes from drunks trying to blast my face with the " banned" pipe water guns.
Why would you want to compare the WHO numbers from their last report when ...
WHO doesn't estimate the number of deaths over Songkran
The last WHO report is the first where the numbers dramatically differed from the Thai numbers (minus adding about 40% for deaths within 30 days) and they even state in their last report they didn't have certain data from Thailand and they have little confidence in their estimate for Thailand in this report. A logical person might assume that deaths didn't triple during the year of this last report especially considering all their estimates start out based on the number of reported deaths from Thai officials and according to them deaths were down.
Who adjust numbers to represent deaths within 30-days to make all countries comparable since many have different periods that they report on but the numbers obviously given on a daily basis for deaths each day over Songkran are for those killed that day.
If you compare Thai numbers to Thai numbers then you are comparing apple to apples because the data collection is the same and then if you want to take the number of increased deaths over these given days and multiply them by whatever factor you want to come up with number of dead over 30-days or 5-years after the accident and/or to account for any disbelief you have in the numbers due to errors, lies, conspiracies or any other reasons the numbers could be off.
If you didn't like what the trends showed in my original post so be it but the trends were based on comparing apples to apples and as I clearly stated a number of times it was to view trends and not actual death count since they can always be disputed and what is more important is if things are improving or not and the way to know this is to compare apple to apples to see a trend and not base your data on numbers that don't exist (WHOs number for Songkran) or base numbers on an estimate from a report whose author states little confidence in their number for that report and whose numbers are grossly different than years before when they did state 95% confidence.
Links:
http://www.who.int/iris/bitstream/10665/78256/1/9789241564564_eng.pdf
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How do this year's figures so far match-up to last yr's..?? Or do we have to wait till the end of the '7 days'?? (no comparison seems to have been made yet).
The Monday edition of the Bkk Post reports the government fears the final figures will top last year's " record " levels so the Interior Minister has ordered provincial authorities to step up preventative measures. However he has also stated that there will be no punishment for failure which is a very Thai cop out and might encourage some to do little or nothing other than have a couple of excuses handy. Come Thursday morning as the national statistics start to be compiled I wonder if the truth will be told especially if worse than last year considering all the pre-Songkrn hot air from officialdom
It might be a bit early for them to guess if the numbers will top last year but if they do it will be very sad since last year the number went up considerably from the previous year. One thing that might be skewing the numbers right now is the first three days this year (173 Dead) were Thursday, Friday and Saturday while the first 3-days last year (144 Dead) were Wed., Thurs & Friday. However, the fact it did fall closer to the weekend this year could mean more people traveling and with the big increase in the vehicle sales the past year it might mean more people are choosing to drive themselves and their family ... not to mention the numbers last year were up after a year that had an incredible drop. My guess is the number will fall just short of last year.
Also, last years numbers were a bit interesting too as compared to the previous year in that there were actually less reported accidents last year but about 50 more fatalities.
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Bottom line very sad if there is another year of moving in the wrong direction.
Edit: Last year wasn't a "record" number and believe it was the 2nd lowest number in the last decade.
I believe these numbers were based on counting 10 Days of Songkran
2003: 668
2004: 654
2005: 522
2006: 476
These numbers are definitely counting 7 Days of Songkran as is the standard now
2007: 361
2008: 368
2009: 373
2010: 361
2011: 271
2012: 320
Wow, great research ! My problem is how the government shifts the goalposts to suit as in - X days are holidays but not official holidays so not holidays to be counted for accident figures. Oh my brain hurts
I am not sure why they ever counted 10 days but I think the 7-days (instead of just 3) is to make sure the weekend is included since the numbers are higher then and it makes comparing year to year more accurate regardless of when the holiday falls.. Plus with Songkran I believe the recognized days (for taking off work) is the following work days if the holiday falls on a weekend but the days of celebration (water) stay the same.
Edit: Actually ... If the holiday starts on a Monday then there are going to be huge number of folks on the road the previous weekend as well as the next weekend. Maybe that is why they counted 10 days and were trying to get the numbers from the weekend before to the weekend after.
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For a country that claims tourism is only a fraction of its GDP they certainly seem to be pre- occupied with tourist numbers.
Every Thai man and his dog seems to have an opinion on numbers. 20 m 22 m 24 million Cant wait for 100 million. There wont be any sand left on Phuket or Krabi in 5 years. Top end of the Gulf is already smelly and poluted.
You want mass tourism? Pay the price.
6% of GDP is not small and that has been the basic number reported for a while. However, if tourism was suddenly to drop in half, Thailand is not going to be crushed and barring any other disaster it would still see positive GDP growth for the year. Although I don't know many Thais whose livelihood depends on knowing the number of tourists TAT puts out, I have never heard Thais discussing, debating and becoming emotional about the number of tourists being reported and doubt the vast majority of them could even come close to guessing the number of tourists being reported by TAT or other officials. On the other hand, it really does seem to get some poster's panties in a bunch here every time a Thaivisa reprints a story about tourism numbers from news sources geared to the foreign readers.
The only Thais that seem extremely concerned with the Tourism numbers are the people responsible for helping the numbers to grow and of course that is their job. Most other Thais probably don't give it a thought at all except for those possibly dependent on knowing tourism estimates (and these are probably the folks TAT depends on for their estimates) for their business but probably most of those involved in tourism could care less about the numbers and are simply more concerned with getting the business of those who do come be it a 10 million or 30 million.
What is more important than the actual numbers for the vast majority of business owners or those involved with tourism is if the number are going up and down and by what percentage. It is obviously impossible to get perfect numbers but using the same reporting data each period allows a view into how much tourism is increasing or decreasing.
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The electricity situation during the eight-day maintenance went smoothly without any power outages,
Really ?
So the 3 different days of 2 hours each time with No power had nothing to do with this ??
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How do this year's figures so far match-up to last yr's..?? Or do we have to wait till the end of the '7 days'?? (no comparison seems to have been made yet).
The Monday edition of the Bkk Post reports the government fears the final figures will top last year's " record " levels so the Interior Minister has ordered provincial authorities to step up preventative measures. However he has also stated that there will be no punishment for failure which is a very Thai cop out and might encourage some to do little or nothing other than have a couple of excuses handy. Come Thursday morning as the national statistics start to be compiled I wonder if the truth will be told especially if worse than last year considering all the pre-Songkrn hot air from officialdom
It might be a bit early for them to guess if the numbers will top last year but if they do it will be very sad since last year the number went up considerably from the previous year. One thing that might be skewing the numbers right now is the first three days this year (173 Dead) were Thursday, Friday and Saturday while the first 3-days last year (144 Dead) were Wed., Thurs & Friday. However, the fact it did fall closer to the weekend this year could mean more people traveling and with the big increase in the vehicle sales the past year it might mean more people are choosing to drive themselves and their family ... not to mention the numbers last year were up after a year that had an incredible drop. My guess is the number will fall just short of last year.
Also, last years numbers were a bit interesting too as compared to the previous year in that there were actually less reported accidents last year but about 50 more fatalities.
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Bottom line very sad if there is another year of moving in the wrong direction.
Edit: Last year wasn't a "record" number and believe it was the 2nd lowest number in the last decade.
I believe these numbers were based on counting 10 Days of Songkran
2003: 668
2004: 654
2005: 522
2006: 476
These numbers are definitely counting 7 Days of Songkran as is the standard now
2007: 361
2008: 368
2009: 373
2010: 361
2011: 271
2012: 320
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Well, the thing with posting a load of stats is that you need to quantify them.
As far as I can see the stats for Thailand are about the norm. I am just a bit fogged by your trying to compare with other nations when Thailand is under discussion.
I'm not having a go, however it seems that you are trying to back up your 'stats' with supposition and guesswork, where a clear, well reasoned analysis of your data would be more useful.
I actually noted tonight that the roads around Lat Krabang/Sri Nakharin/King Kaew/Bang Na-Trad, were far quieter after dark than in previous years. This could have been due to the very noticable (yet unobtrusive) police presence, hence my question.
I am neither having a go at you but there is no guesswork ... I posted stats with their sources. Nobody is stopping you from performing a well reasoned analysis of the data and apologize if you missed the point that trends in Thailand are not so unique which should cause you to consider the reasons for this which is the question of the poster I was responding. Hint: Do you think traffic regulations in Thailand effect the number of road deaths in the US or the UK?
I also don't think three very easy to read graphs should be considered a "load of stats" unless you are determined to try to find a way to dismiss them.
Edit: Also curious to understand what you mean about the stats for Thailand being "normal" but then criticizing the showing of other countries (which most of us can relate) to show the stats are fairly normal. If you haven't noticed there is a tendency from posters to act like the sky is falling in Thailand with every negative news report and if things don't appear that negative than they simply disregard this information as lies. So again, I apologize if in my response to another poster's question you missed the point.
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So you're saying the trend is downward Nisa?
The trends are very clear to anyone who want to look at them and read the post and if I need to (re)explain them then it really is no point in discussing them.
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Those numbers are only in the tourist areas. The actual numbers is really much higher. Just like any other country.
I guess you missed the point of the post despite my making two duplicate statements to explain the actual totals are not the point but rather the trend was. You can take those numbers and multiply them by a zillion but the trend is still going to be the same since the numbers or totals for each year are based on the same data collection methodology.
Edit: But I am curious as to why you think the numbers are only for tourist areas. My guess is they are low for a number of reason, including they are deaths at the scene only, but where tourists go has absolutely nothing to do with it unless you meant to say the poorer and less populated areas don't report as accurately but for some reason want to relate this to tourism. .
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What surprise me is that the numbers discussed in this tread regarding fatalities at Songkran and New Year got reduced to the half over the night after the exile man and his family took over the control of this country in 2001. You know the one who straight in the face to WHO said no birdflu in Thailand when at the same time many people was deadly ill in hospitals or not to forget the Tsunami which the exile-man Government in a emergency meeting early morning 26. December 2004 decided not to warn the coastal cities in the south because it could damage the tourism industry!
All well if the numbers really are reduced but can anyone tell me to have seen any regulations (which actually help) regarding traffic safety here over the last 20 years? I have unfortunately not!
I am not sure about numbers going in half in 2001 since the yearly numbers from 2001 to 2006 (Thaksin) actually went up.
http://www.thaiwebsites.com/caraccidents.asp
*** wouldn't concentrate too much on the numbers since they can be argued all day but rather the trend from year to year since the same methodology is being used to come up with the numbers. Even if you increase them tenfold the trend is still going to be the same. ***
The bigger question might be what has happened to cause the numbers to go down so much since 2009.
As a whole it is only logical that the numbers are going to trend down as they do pretty much across the globe and it kind of makes sense that Thailand's numbers might go down at a faster rate than more developed nations since Thailand is modernizing at a much faster pace because for so long it was way behind these countries when it came to issues like road safety.
Some of the reasons for the decline are obviously safer automobiles and more use of safety helmets & safety belts as well as improved roadways, education and enforcement.
Even in a country like the US where enforcement and road safety has been high for a long time they too have seen a big drop in the last decade.
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*** Again ... just to be clear I am speaking about trends and not concerned with actual numbers since they make no difference if the method used to compile them each year is the same. ***
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I've been driving around all weekend on my motorbike in Chiang Mai. Sure, I get about 30 buckets dumped on me, and even some good hits when traveling 60-80km/hr on my way down to Hang Dong, but nothing much worse than a slight push. Bike actually seems more stable from hits when I'm going faster, though my side might not agree
Best one was when a Thai walked out into the middle of the Super Highway here to make sure I can came to a stop. I was having fun, so I didn't bother to go around him. He shook my hand, dumped a lot of water on me, and offered me and my girlfriend a sip of beer. Not sure I've ever been offered a beer while driving anywhere, but I enjoyed the experience and politely declined.
Only other comment is that I really don't mind the Thai's who dump water on me. It's the foreigners who seem to be the most drunk and stupid of all the people I've seen. Maybe ban the foreigners.
Best idea yet. Ban the foreigners. They make more trouble than anyone. At the
very least, give them a personality test and a grooming test.
Foreigners often have very poor manners. Become very obnoxious when drunk,
not to mention they are often fat, ugly and smell like a goat.
check the stats highest death tolls are in areas with hardly any farangs. Its a myth to always blame tourist. most deaths (5) recorded in Prachuap Khiri Khan
I think Brad was joking ... "fat, ugly and smell like a goat" ... or at least hope he was. And there really should be hardly any Farang road deaths since there are hardly any farangs in Thailand as compared to Thais and Asians and they shouldn't be responsible for too many accidents since most don't drive while here.
Chinese Tourists Top Songkran Celebrants In Thailand
in Thailand News
Posted · Edited by Nisa
All countries track this kind of data and it is done through surveys. I've actually been hit up by folks doing the surveys at the airport but blew them off because they looked like they had a lot of questions on the form. It is estimates and regardless if the total is off 10 or 20% off it still is good for comparing information since the data is collected the same way for each group / country.
However, if you consider the numbers, they probably are not far off. Spending a $135 a day on average for what is an average 9 day vacation is not much when you consider meals, hotels, shopping and entertainment while on vacation. Basically this amounts to around $1,200 for a 9 day vacation. .