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The question I have is this. What will this do to condo values?

In the more popular condos, 49 percent are owned by farangs, a certain percent are owned by Thais, and another certain percent are owned by farangs running phony companies. The farangs owning condos under companies will be in a big fix. They cannout sell to foreigners (building already 49 percent) so they can only sell to Thais, who will of course take advantage of their desperation and pay lower prices. What about the remaining farang owned condos, do they go up or down? They are in a building of radically declining values for the Thai and company owned condos, but their ownership structure is limited by number and much more desirable, so what happens? Up, same, or down for those farang owned condos? I haven't a clue because I have never heard of a market like that.

Intersting point. A lot depends if the regulations are also applied to companies formed befrore May 25th, with these companies being subject to Department of Commerce investigation as to why they were formed. Assuming that this is not to be the case I see the situation in buildings where the 49% foreign ownership quota has already been taken as falling into 3 catagories.

1. The 49% already in legal foreign ownership. These will continus to attract the hightest prices as they give the foreign purchaser peace of mind. Most agents usually advertise such condo's as 'available for or in foreign ownership'.

2. Those 'owned' by foreigners but registered in company names. There is normally no land office involvement when sold on to another foreigner as the sale usually includes the holding company, with only a name change of the Managing Director being necessary. This is not done at the land office. These condo's usually attract a slight lower price than those in legal foreign ownership and are not quite so easy to sell.

3. Those in Thai nationals names. Up to now they could be 'sold' to anyone, with a foreign purchaser simply forming a company in order to register the transfer. If the new regulations are strictly enforced these condos will only be transferrable to either Thai nationals or Thai companies which have passed the new regulations. They will probably continue to atract the lowest prices.

If the new regulations are applied retrospectively, with companies, and there are a lot of them, formed prior to May 25 being subject to investigation, then I would see the owners of condo's in paragraph 2 as being in the same boat as those in paragraph 3.

Well I can assure you that you haven't missed much!

On a recent trip to the Immigration Office I wandered hungrily into the Complex looking for a bite to eat.

The girls outside the Las Vegas bar gave me the usual running commentary and encouragement to join them. I ignored them but as I returned after looking at all the bar menus/signs; I was tricked into going over and talking to one of the girls who called out that they had great food inside too.

Once inside she explained the mission statement of the bar and proceeded to demonstrate the 'no knickers' aspect and encourage me to join her in a naked game of pool.

This was quite putting me off my burger (not the greatest example of culinary art to begin with).

I asked her to desist and leave me alone.

It was rather like the old joke where you give a stripper some cash to put her clothes back on.

My rating of the available girls was that they mostly rated a five on a ten point scale. They probably had excellent pool skills to make up for that though.

You can't fault the proprietor for his innovation and I hope it re-opens soon. Not my cup of tea but hardly a threat to the morals of the population of Pattaya.

Probably the only constructive posting on this subject.

I agree that the Las Vegas girls are, on average, hardly stunning and 5/10 is a fair rating. But they are good sports when it comes to naked pool, although one of the bar tenders steadfastly refuses such invitations.

I am of the opinion that someone, pehaps a rival bar owner who's establishment is a bit light on punters, grassed on Las Vegas out of pure spite. Naked pool had been played in Las Vegas for some time and it was a way for the girls to make themselves a bit of extra cash. They too have to make a living and B200 is quite a lot for one of them. One naked game a day = B6000 a month.

I've only tried the food in Las Vegas once and it wasn't too good either.

Just the night before last I was in a Go-Go bar in Walking Street. I forget the name, but it beings with a 'B'. Inside, in full view of the patrons, is a large bathtub in which 3 naked ladies perform various acts for all to see.

Club Boesche (Covenant Garden Complex I think it's called).

Go-go bars don't seem to get the same scrutiny that beer bars do, and they usually have a better warning system in place. Anything that even resembles the police and the (naked) girls vanish in a flash, to be replaced by more decently clad damsels.

Yes, that's the place.

Jomtien bar offering naked pool is closed down by Pattaya Police.

Police Lieutenant Colonel Soopashat from Pattaya Police Station received information of a bar inside the Jomtien Complex which was offering foreigners a chance to play pool with naked women for 200 Baht per game. This is clearly against the law and it was decided to conduct an undercover operation on Wednesday Night using a foreign man brought in from outside of Pattaya who was fitted with a camera and paid the 200 Baht to an employee of the bar who proceeded to remove her clothing and the game began. These pictures come from the camera itself which provided the Police with enough evidence to conduct an immediate raid on the Las Vegas Bar and Restaurant. As the cameras entered the establishment, the naked woman was detained. Khun Janya aged 30, the Manager of the bar was arrested and licenses for the bar and restaurant were checked and were found to be in order. The naked pool player, manager and owner of the bar were all taken to Pattaya Police Station and charged under public obscenity laws. A report of the case has been sent to the Governor of Chonburi who will now decide if the evening’s events warrant a temporary or permanent closure of the establishment

This whole episode stinks of a rival bar owner grassing to the police. Buisness isn't always too brisk in the Jomtien Complex area, but, from my experience as a customer of Las Vegas a couple of times a week, it seems to be doing rather better than others in the area. Yet another sad case of Pattaya Police, or what passes for them, having little better to do. It's also amazing how they can scramble a truck load of officers to swoop on a gambling den, seizing the usual deck of cards and the grand total of B20 in cash. Wow.

Just the night before last I was in a Go-Go bar in Walking Street. I forget the name, but it beings with a 'B'. Inside, in full view of the patrons, is a large bathtub in which 3 naked ladies perform various acts for all to see. I can only presume that this bar is police owned or has very strong connections to them. It's too blatent to be anything else.

Champion Go Go has some OK women but always empty, how do they keep going?

The problem with Champion, or to give it it's current name, 'No.1', is the owner seems to simply jack the drinks prices and bar fines up every time that he finds that financial ends don't meet. I first started using the bar just under 3 years ago when the price of a draught beer was B45. It has has just reached the dizzy heights of B75, a 66.6% increase in just those 3 short years. This creates a diminishing returns scenario, with fewer customers paying ever higher prices, not good for the girls.

Yes, it has had some very nice girls over the years, but few stay any length of time. The staff turnover rate is, in my opinion, very high and most of the attractive women soon get the call to seek the brighter lights of Walking Street. With few customers it's difficult for No.1's girls to make a decent living if they stay.

Basically, the bar needs taking over by someone who will take more interest than the current Thai owner. The interior is tired and shabby and needs gutting, re-furbishing and re-launching with a new, brighter image. It's the only Go-Go bar in Jomtien, despite the attempts of others to change this, and could do with some competition.

The fact that the suspects were being recorded on CCTV probably never crossed their minds, and the police must have been rubbing their hands with glee when they saw the footage. The CCTV system in this building has only been up and running for about 3 weeks, and, because the actual units are not in the form of obvious CCTV cameras, (the ones that look rather like a video camera), then, to the casual visitor it perhaps isn't immediately obvious what they are.

I hope that this sorry episode will serve as a warning to anyone planning to put a foot wrong in View Talay 2B and get away with it. You are being watched, and a similar CCTV system is to be installed in Building 2A very soon.

There's no excuse for overstaying - there's always advance notice that you are going to be in an overstay situation. If people can't organise themselves better then they need to be held accountable.

Ok - in rare cases it can't be avoided but they're too few too mention.

Wise move by immigration if you ask me.

Very wise move.

The B200 a day overstay charge was no deterrent to those planning to overstay up to 9 days as it was cheaper, and less hassle, than obtaining an extension. Apart from a few days grace, say a maximun of 7 in any 12 month period, perhaps overstayers should also be also denied re-entry to Thailand for at least the period of their overstay. About 3 years ago, while on a vsa run, one of our party was directed to the overstay desk at Poipet. After he had been processed he walked away, smile on his face, and said to his friend, 'that's my overstay cleared up, B6000'. If he had been unable to re-enter Thailand for a period equal to that of his overstay he wouldn't have found it so funny. His cavalier attitude to the matter was beyond belief.

Other than certified medical cases there's no excuse for overstay at all. If the date stamp isn't clear, then ask! I've checked those in both my current and previous passports and every one is perfectly legible.

Hello people:

I'm researching the economics of living in a condo in Pattaya or Jomtien or maybe Rayong, and would like to know what typical condo fees (monthly) are like. Also, unless you prefer to not answer to stay anonymous, tell me which building or complex or project you're referring to.

Also, any comments regarding how quiet these buildings are would be great. (can you hear everything your neighbor does etc?)

Thanks alot!

pb

In View Talay 2 A/B the annual fee is B3600 for a studio of 37/41 square metres, I'm not sure if it's the same for the larger 60/65sqm units. I believe it's the same per unit in View Talay 1 A/B.

Center Condo is about B100 per square metre per year.

In 2004 I listed, on behalf of the owner, with Fair Properties, a condo for rent. The owner wanted B12000 per month, less agency charges, a fair market price. But when I looked in the window a couple of weeks later it was advertised at B16000. Naturally I asked why my instruction had been ignored, and the reply was to the effect of it gives us something to negotiate with. That may be the case, but no one in their right mind would have ever gone to the trouble of enquiring about a room with such a high price label on it.

So, if you are planning to do business with Fair Properties, be prepared to negotiate.

Rather, it gives them something extra to line their greedy pockets with. Why don't these agencies realise that upping the rent to such a ridiculous level discourages people from even entering their offices.

Yes, fair point. But listing rooms at such high prices allows them to make the punters who do pluck up the courage and walk through the door think that they have got the proverbial something for nothing.

Not sure where the calculations are coming from?

I would guess that "1953" wouln't have paid any more than half a Million for these

properties, and his price would be based on what he has in them?

A 4 Million baht basic house generally rents for around 30k.

Pattaya not on that much of a roll

I would have thought 8k quite reasonable.

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I think you could be right. 8K a month is 100K a year and if he paid 5-600K for a unit then that's a real fat return. If he paid 1 million its a 9.6% return and close to net as the tenant will pay utils etc.

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I really do not see the point of trying to guess what the OP paid for the units as there is no relevance. What matters is how much the capital value is now and the current level of market rental rates.

The above rate of return calculations also assume 100% occupancy which is unrealistic.

Just having had a quick search of local agents, the first one I came across was Fair Properties, probably the most active agency in the Jomtien area:

CR2454 : Studio for Rent : Jomtien Beach Condo (30 Sq.m) on the 4th floor. Bedroom, bathroom, Cable TV, carpeted floor, Air conditioned, balcony, 500M from Jomtien beach.

Priced at 12,000 Baht per month

CR2444 : Studio for Rent : Jomtien Beach Condo (37 Sq.m) on the 14th floor. Bedroom, bathroom, European kitchen, Cable TV, DVD, tiled floor, Air conditioned, balcony, 500M from Jomtien beach, sea view.

Priced at 15,000 Baht per month

The above make 8,000 Baht per month look way below current market levels on the face of it.

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Remember though, he said he wanted good tenants for long stays so that mitigates the vacancy problem, and he's renting them himself so no agency fees to pay.

The point was in trying to figure out how he is able to charge what seem to be lower-than-market rents.

In 2004 I listed, on behalf of the owner, with Fair Properties, a condo for rent. The owner wanted B12000 per month, less agency charges, a fair market price. But when I looked in the window a couple of weeks later it was advertised at B16000. Naturally I asked why my instruction had been ignored, and the reply was to the effect of it gives us something to negotiate with. That may be the case, but no one in their right mind would have ever gone to the trouble of enquiring about a room with such a high price label on it.

So, if you are planning to do business with Fair Properties, be prepared to negotiate.

Does anyone know if the Leicester City v Spurs FA Cup match is on the telly on Sunday night?

Also, which bars are good for watching footy in?

Cheers,

Sonars.

PS: I'm supporting Leicester by the way

Yes, you are in luck. It's live on Star Sports, that's UBC Channel 40. Kick off is 0130 Monday morning Thai time, that's 1830 in the UK. There are seven other live FA Cup games this weekend, all on either ESPN, that's UBC Channel 39, or Star Sports. All times shown are Thai time.

Saturday.

1930 Hull City v Aston Villa STAR

2000 Wigan v Leeds ESPN

2200 Chelsea v Huddersfield Town STAR

2200 Milwall v Everton ESPN

Sunday.

0030 Luton v Liverpool STAR

2200 Sunderland v Northwich Victoria ESPN

2300 Burton Albion v Manchester Utd STAR

Monday.

0130 Leicester City v Tottenham STAR

Quite a weekend for those interested.

Are you saying the rent is too cheap? I was able to buy these units without an agent and my thai family has built many luxury custom houses here for many years and they supplied all the material resources as well as good skilled subcontractors at very reasonble prices. The reason the rent is below market is that I am looking for a tenant who lives here forever. I have a lot of working people in my condo bldg and they will make good tenants too. I am more interested in getting a good  quality person than I am the few thousand extra baht,

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I totally agree. Long term (12 month) tenants, preferably those who are retired and here to stay, are far more likely to take good care of the room than someone who is here for little more than an extended vacation.

Regarding the relation between sale prices and rental values, once upon a time the monthly rental of a property was about 1% of it's market valuation, but the recent surge in property prices seems to have left rents lagging somewhat behind.

This one should read before 

SOM NAM NAA..

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I read that book a couple of years ago and was horrified to discover the appauling conditions that the Thai authorities subject foreign prisoners to. It sickened me to a point that from that time I will never, ever, give evidence against anyone, no matter how serious their crimes, if the prospect of a stay in the Hilton beckons them. The conditions are far worse than Thai's would face in a western country and their government would soon have something to say if, for example, UK prisons had seperate blocks for Thai prisoners with conditions and regimes similar to those imopsed on foriegners locked up in the Hilton. I am a believer in custodial sentences. Loss of freedom, yes, luxuries, no, but not to the point where inmates are made to sleep on the floor in rat infested cells and have to be deaths door before medical attention is even considered.

The British Embassy will no doubt be worse than useless, I have little confidence in it at the best of times. It doesn't exist to protect British nationals, just British interests. The two are poles apart.

To summarise with what I have read and have personal experience with:-

Despite the cost UBC is the way to go due to both reliability and Thai subtitles.

Other options don't appear to be able to provide same level of service?

Correct me if I'm wrong?

Cheers

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I totally agree with you. Once upon a time I would never have considered having UBC installed as I thought it to be rather expensive for what it was. But that was when Sophon was worth watching, back in the days when it showed live football etc, legally or otherwise. My annual subscription to them is due for renwal in 3 months time and I probably won't bother.

The quality of UBC service and reception is very good, except during thunderstorms, and there's always something worth watching. It also gives peace of mind to know that their broadcasts are legal, so there's no danger of a UBC issued smartcard being zapped halfway through a film or sporting event, so long as your subscription is up to date.

If someone tried to sell me a dubious satelite system, one that sounds too good to be true, and probably is, then I would take some convincing.

They have to pay for the repairs that the fire did at tuk.com in Sriracha I guess   

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I didn't know about that fire, but you've probably hit the nail right on the head.

Drama at Tuk.Com as shop owner’s protest at massive rent increases.

 

We went down to the Tuk.Com Center on the South Pattaya Road on Wednesday Afternoon as shop owners from the Center organized a protest against a dramatic rise in rent imposed by the Centers Management Team. We saw one of the letters given to shop owners and it appears that they intend to increase the rent by as much as 80%, which the shop owners feel is unacceptable.

On Wednesday afternoon many of the shop owners closed their shops in protest and organized placards stating their disapproval. A typical unit which previously cost 12,500 per month with a one-off 54,000 Baht guarantee payment will now cost the shop owner 24,000 Baht per month with a 72,000 Baht Guarantee. There were no management present to give their side of the story and for the now the Tuk.Com center is in limbo as incumbent shop owners refuse to sign new contracts with the Tuk.Com Center.

-Pattaya City News

Wednesday 14th December 2005

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Anyone reading this could be forgiven for thinking that Tuk.Com is not only fully occupied but also has a waiting list of shopkeepers eager for units to become available. Take a stroll around and you will see that there are numerous empty units on most, if not all, floors.

I sincerely hope that the Tuk.Com shop owners stand firm and united on this matter. Strength is in numbers.

They say soon you will be able to do 90 day reporting over the internet.

Barry

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The Head of Pattaya Immigration recently told a friend of mine that, under current Thai law, reporting by E-mail isn't allowed, but that they are hoping to change that. Perhaps the form needs an original signature?

For the sake of those who would find this method of 90 day reporting more convenient then I hope that change is indeed in the air, considering the wide array of transactions etc generally that can be made over the internet nowadays.

The move to Jomtien will mean a little less in the pockets of the Baht Bus Drivers so far as I am concerned as I am within easy walking distance of the new office. Perhaps the business that will beneifit are the bars etc in the same Soi as the new office, patronised by those waiting for their applications etc to be processed. Also Jomtien Post Office is all of 100 metres away if you need their services.

Nuff Said; you bring up a very interesting point that I have not thought of before.

The original big sticker/stamp visa will look expired to the untrained eye as extensions+re-entry permits are simple smaller stamps not looking nearly as "official" as the original visa.

Will see how that works out for me in the future as my roundtrip ticket will start and end in Bangkok.

Cheers!

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Yes, fair point. My Non-Immigrant 'O' was a muliple entry and as such didn't have a used stamp on it as they simply date expire, and this one had. But I had to explain not only that but also the annual extension and re-entry stamps. To make matters worse the stamps weren't the clearest in the world.

Good luck, but be prepared to have to explain.

EVA Airways gave me a hard time in Vienna Airport a few days ago when trying to board on the return part of my Bangkok-Vienna Ticket.

The guy that did check the returns/Visas had obviously not read Thaivisa.com!

I am here on a 1-Year extension of an O Visa I got earlier this Year in Denpasar. I also had a reentry-permit.

But because the Original Visa was stamped "used" as well as out of date, and he was not really into reading the (sometimes almost illegible) writings on my various Thai Passport stamps, and also seemingly unaware of Reentry Permits, he intended to deny me access to the plane. It took me more than an hour and conversations with various other officials to be finally admitted to the plane.

No problem in Bangkok, as anticipated.

Sunny

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On both occasions that I have checked in at Manchester this year, flying with Qatar Airways, I have been challenged by the check-in staff because I had presented the retutn portion of a ticket issued in Thailand, in effect a one way ticket to them. I also have an OA (Retirement) Visa and had valid re-entry permits for both trips. On the first occasion the check in clerk called the supervisor over, I happily explained the visa and re-entry permit and he went away rejoicing. On the second occasion the check in clerk, not the same one, also challenged me on the same subject, but quickly went back into her shell when I said, in a rather sharp voice, get the supervisor. She then took a closer look at my visa and re-entry permit then decided that discretion was the better part of valor. In fairness to Qatar Airways I must point out that the check in staff were those of their handling agents and not those of the airline itself. Qatar Airways have every right to expect their handling agents to be aware of such matters.

I've only flown with EVA once, from Heathrow to Bangkok and return. I was initailly told that I couldn't travel because I didn't have a visa and I had to explain to them that UK passport holders got a 15 day (now 30) entry on arrival stamp. I was rather taken aback by the clerks lack of knowledge on such a basic matter.

When I flew out here to live I had a single ticket with China Airlines. I checked in at Humberside, (UK) for the connecting flight to Amsterdam without any questions at all.

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Go to www.ubctv.com and click on the Pay Per View Channel 71 image item on the home page. Do this on the Thai language home page, not the English one as the form on that page if for commercial users only.

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Or watch it free via satellite your choice.

See;

http://www.jsat.tv/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?bo...79178;start=1#1

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The main issue of this posting wasn't so much the cost, but the quality of the coverage because it was totally free of commercials. I got so fed up with the same old adverts and pop ups repeated to a point where they reached saturation level that, if I have the choice I would now rather pay, within reason of course, for commercial free coverage. Live TV sports coverage has to be funded either by commercials or subscription. The point I was making was it should be one or another, but not both. It was just a refreshing change not to have to pay for the privilege of having to watch the same old commercials broadcast at every available opportunity.

I checked out the J-sat website. A few months ago I looked into the possibility of having something like that installed but the dish is too large for my balcony. A standard UBC size dish is about the biggest allowed. If I lived in a house I would certainly invenstiage the possibility of such as system.

How much does it cost and how do you subscribe to PPV?

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Go to www.ubctv.com and click on the Pay Per View Channel 71 image item on the home page. Do this on the Thai language home page, not the English one as the form on that page if for commercial users only. Don't worry, the form is bi-lingual. You need to download it then fax it to them. As soon as you application has been processed UBC unscramble the PPV channel (71) on your smartcard via the airwaves. The cost can be added to your next bill or you can pay in at a bank and fax the paying in slip to UBC.

The cost for the tests is B400 per match or B800 for all 3, and B200 per ODI or B700 for all 5. You can select exactly what you require, there's no need to take all the games.

Before the start of play yesterday David LLoyd mentioned that the game was being televised to several countries around the world. He read the list and the networks that were broadcasting the coverage mentioned Thailand and UBC as one of them. Thailand was about the least cricket playing nation of them all, perhaps on a par with Malaysia.

UBC also covered on PPV the recent (23 October-6 November) 5 match ODI series betwen South Africa and New Zealand. I didn't subscribe to this but the cost was also B200 er game of B700 for all 5.

I don't know what UBC's future intentions for PPV cricket are, but it will be interesting to see if they offer the series between India and England, scheduled for early next year. Having said that, our local cable company broadcasts DD Sports from India. This a free to air channel, choc a block with adverts etc, but they normally show all India's home series, tests and ODI's. They recently covered the 7 game ODI series between India and Sri Lanka, also the ODI series between India and Pakistan played in April of this year.

UBC are currently covering on their Pay Per View channel the 3 match test series between Pakistan and England, and will also be showing the 5 One Day Internationals that follow.

UBC's previous PPV offering was of the Ashes series and was a feed of Star Sport India's coverage. It was packed to saturation point with commercials between overs, falls of wickets, during drinks breaks, umpires consultations, ball changes and just about any other interruption of play. Not to mention the sponsers locgos, pop ups and god knows what else. But UBC's coverage of the Pakistan-England series is paradise. No commercials whatsover, no sponsers logo's on screen, just the normal UBC one and the letters PPV under it, and none of them dam silly SMS competitions. It's like cricket coverage used to be, and should be. The commentary is excellent, a selection of Ian Bothham, David Lloyd and Paul Allott from England and Sanjay Mandraker, Waqar Younis and Ramiz Raja from the sub continent, and is a pleasure to watch. Highly recommended.

If a series such as this is only to be available on Pay Per View it should be like this, free of sponsorship and commercials. Long may this conticue.

It's only once every 90 days, or less if you go on holiday abroad from time to time.

You could post it if it that much of a hassle.

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It's no hassle for me when compared with those godforsaken visa runs and I'm certainly not complaining. The expense, waste of a day and the hassle from the kids at Poipet; not to mention the possibilty of a road accident. I'll take the 90 day reporting requirement any day!

On the subject of 90 day reporting, about a year ago someone wrote to the Pattaya Mail and comlplained, using words to the effect that it was a hassle, totally unneccessary and didn't see why he should have to do it. If that was the case why did he bother applying for a retirement visa? I'm sure that there are literally thousands of expats, who, for one reason or another, don't qualify for retirement visas, but would happily swap the need to do visa runs for a brief visit to Immigration every 90 days.

The new TM.6 acts as an address report when used with a re-entry permit so there is no need to report until 90 days from that date.  That is the rule as observed by immigration.  They will read the new TM.6 when they see that you are not reporting on the date the TM.47 receipt says but there is no problem or passport entry - you are following the rules.

Obviously you could well be outside Thailand on the date your TM.47 has listed.

As for OP I suspect the officer was giving a break rather than requiring another visit a few days or weeks later as would likely have been the case if he insisted on going by the letter of the rules.  This has also been used recently to try and synchronize your yearly extension with a 90 day report date.

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Thanks for your input on this matter, I've noted what you said.

When the new Pattaya Immigration Office, which is actually in Jomtien, opens, we have been promised an on-line 90 day reporting facility. I'm not holding my breath on this one, but at least it's only 400 meters away as the crow flies. No more trekking to Soi 8.

I made the 90 day report to be on the safe side, but the officer didn't mention that it wasn't necessary. In fact he didn't say anything.

Interesting, you should have asked.

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Maybe it was near the immigration officer's lunch time and he couldn't be bothered to explain. It doesn't really matter much to them, does it? It's just a record of where you are currently staying, your flight number, passport number, etc. - whether you report 90 days after you entered Thailand, or 90 days after your previous slip expired, they've still got the information. This is probably just a case of the "discretion" that all immigration officers apparently have.

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It crossed my mind to ask the immigration officer at Bangkok Airport when I re-entered Thailand, but I didn't on the grounds that what the lady told me could well have differed with Pattaya Immigration practice. It was lunchtime when I reported but I was seen straight away, the office was rather quiet.

I'd rather be safe than sorry on mattters like this, but next time I do my 90 day report I will ask. My passport is totally clean , no overstays or illegal entry stamps/visas and I want to keep it that way.

A few years ago, when I was on Non-Imm 'O' visas, long before I was granted an O-A, I changed my address and promtly went to Pattaya Immigration to report the matter. I tried to explain the circumstances, that I no longer resided at the address on my TM card, but was told that it was not necessary, only to report every 90 days. Of course I wasn't doing 90 day reporting then, just good old regular visa runs.