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i would translate like this : cliché = shot / layout

and i can say that i am waiting more and more sarcastic jokes about french people or France... as usual

Most Thais , 80% wouldnt even know what plant they are talking about and if they did they would want to know if they can eat it .

And just organize a "Thai" referendum... like elections , just need to buy them for 200 baht each to get nuclear plants on the way

So is anyone here going to post a link to the wikileaks articles that reference Thai yellow/red politics? I'm not.

Could we post a link?

Really? the link is ready!

Admins, please answer, Thanks.

http:///////.com/thailand/

Some interesting words.

Cheers

Piak Rayong Off Road Co. Ltd.

Address : 98 Moo 14, Bannbung-klaeng Rd.

City : Rayong

Zip : 21110

Country : Thailand

Phone : 66-38 886583

Fax : 66-38 886584

E-Mail : Send Mail

Contact Person : Anake Samraj

Business Detail

Business Type : Exporters

Products : Off Road Accessories

you can try to go directly to this manufacturer. He is working for UN vehicles and export a lot under his clients name, such as JTM....

I went there twice, toyota LC80 SW, front @ 17500TB, fitted with the winch i had already installed previously.

Well F250 is may be not common here but may be he export for the model.

Cheers

http://www.driveindochina.com/

Hi, just go see there!

you can have the choice of many destinations, with your car, or rented one...just need to be free at the dates.

Cheers

If Farang wants to come to Thailand, they should contribute to the local economy too.

Next time, they bring their own van, to visit their own bars, and drink their own beers, and perhaps even import their own girls (from the Philippines).

Naaaa, just go directly to Philippines!

I see you are still missing the point rixalex.......

It is the perception of who shot him that fuels emotions.......

Fact is not always the instigator.......and since his shooting it appears the violence has increased and spread somewhat

So proof is not required - the resulting additional violence is either connected to the shooting, or to the increased government actions.....which is it to be??

It's you that has missed the point. FC stated that soldiers were shooting at people when they were under no direct threat. I disputed that and asked him how he could possibly know from where he was sitting what threat they were under. He gave the example of SD's shooting, but whatever suspicions people have, at this stage nobody knows who fired the shot.

In terms of what you say about perceptions not facts fueling emotions, i agree.

As to whether things have got uglier since SD's shooting than they otherwise would have done, i'm not convinced.

As well many of the soldiers are almost kids and don't like to die, it is very easy to overreact in such situations. They should not be blamed.

and thanks Thaksin and Sondhi for this.

hope these bastards will burn in hel_l

Ordinary people are dying

Terrorists from an occupying army are dying.

@ Seahorse: Stick at your beer and do not care about things that are not your business.

Apparently you no not have a clue about what's happening there.

Apparently you have not read all of my posts.

I will for sure, and will be pleased to discuss again.

To have sharpshooters taking head shots at people presenting them no direct threat or actual bodily harm is simply escalating this and not solving it.

From your keyboard, how are you possibly able to ascertain that the soldiers are under no direct threat?

Look at Sa Daeng he was no threat he was being interviewed not armed no threat at all

And some of others...

Anyway, this is on videos of many medias...there is still some blind people....brainless should i say? No i will not go by this way, it will be not pleasant as the true is never good to hear! May be damaged by the high daily beer consumption? who knows? It is often better that some farangs keep their comments. These comments do not show anything good from a supposed human being.

Some other comments are so pathetic and will not lead at anything else than hate. Some other are still laughing about such or such camp, shame on you, there is nothing funny there.

May be it is time to reinforce some immigration laws, just to clean a little bit and get some migrants more humble and less arrogant.

Definitely not showing the best of our culture.

So disappointing.

http://www.freeforums.org/contact.php[/url] and write a complaint. Their legal section clearly states that their forums are not to be used for these type of things. While I support the freedom of speech, I do not support terroristic activities which this site is spewing.

i have done both, i urge others to do the same.

Done.

Done

Just one thing chaps, IT IS NOT YOUR BUSINESS, stay home with your Leo beer and do not take part of this. If you don't like, just go on an other site. INTERNET IS A FREE ZONE, never forget this.

Ordinary people are dying

Terrorists from an occupying army are dying.

@ Seahorse: Stick at your beer and do not care about things that are not your business.

Apparently you no not have a clue about what's happening there.

It's strange how the international media always seem to leave out the 'Thaksin link' when they report on this. It's such an important piece in the puzzle that to me it even feels suspicious that they don't mention this, almost like he's greased a few palms in the west (oh it does happen!). Instead they talk about the 'rural poor' versus the 'elite', and associate the word democracy with the very people who ruin the very idea by happily selling their vote fot the price of a couple of beers!

I think that the bbc/cnn and the rest of these 'non-biased' organisations should get to the real truth which is far more interesting than the story which they're currently reporting.

Why don't they ask the red shirts how much they're getting paid? Ask them why they think Thaksin is so great and what he could do for the country should he return. Ask them how they think that Thaksin, as a convicted criminal, could possibly plan to be taken seriously by the international community, should he manage to bully his way back into office.

Ask them why they are using women and children as a human shield.

Ask them why they risk their lives for a greedy evil billionaire?

Why can't the press get an interview with Thaksin? A few well placed questions will simply destroy him.

Why don't the international media do their job rather than appearing to be the heroes in the danger zone, reporting alongside the red-shirt 'freedom fighters'?

My point? It appears that Thaksin has more than just a few red-shirts in his back pocket!!!

The BBC is World renowned as being unbiased as they are not politically controlled and not owned by profit seeking investors, its where reporters can report without hindrance from upstairs, Does not make them right but makes them unbiased CNN probably the same, slightly different from THE NATION

after the david kelly assasination, cover-up, almost exposure but then all the decent people at the bbc were fired; most of them now are with al-jazera.

You can be a red or yellow shirt. It doesn't matter to me. What bothers me is the military acts like a branch of government deciding who they want to support. The military has far too much power. But then in a corrupt society such as this, the courts are just as corrupt. No one is innocent here.

exact!!! the army got too much power here.

BUT IS THAILAND PEOPLE READY FOR DEMOCRATIE?

after last 4 years, i am sorry to say that i have many doubts about that!

is army rules better?

at least everybody work and the streets are not crowded when army rules.

but army should be there to protect the country not to govern it.

i really don't know how they will end this era of corruption!!

Now, what is a "pink shirts "???

a Pink is a thai person who were not red or yellow issued from medium/low to medium.high class witch is pissed off by this mess. BUT a large part of them, we will have to accept it, were yellow.As they are pink they are not subventioned, almost all of them have a good situation and can take some time to shout they opinion.

Note: this is the first time i use the word opinion! unfortunatly, you can use this word ONLY for the pink and the blue as they are not payed for protest. Then we could think, that the motivation to protest is their opinion!!

" were yellow "

But how can you be sure they are not still yellow also ?

Maybe they dont want to risk being lynched mobbed by the reds so they wear

a more neutral colour but are still very much yellow at heart ?

And then you should tell Burr about the blue shirts in pattaya last year

This is all becoming so complicated

it is because we all saying: "AMAZING THAILAND"

But nothing to compare to terrorism!!

do they really know what are terrorists?

Now, what is a "pink shirts "???

a Pink is a thai person who were not red or yellow issued from medium/low to medium.high class witch is pissed off by this mess. BUT a large part of them, we will have to accept it, were yellow.

As they are pink they are not subventioned, almost all of them have a good situation and can take some time to shout their opinion.

Note: this is the first time i use the word opinion! unfortunatly, you can use this word ONLY for the pink and the blue as they are not payed for protest. Then we could think, that the motivation to protest is their opinion!!

What are the yellows??

As a witness, i could say that a yellow is a thai person issued from medium/high to high class who support a group of old (very old) elites witch are part of famous very high class famillies witch are owning almost all country large buisenesses, for example: they are rulling the rice buisness and also deciding for it's price.

Very influent people who are staying in the background, never appears on any medias but rule the country and it's economy. They do not want to share power or anything else...

what is a red?

As a witness, i could say that a red is a thai person issued from low to medium class who support a rich buiseness man whitch became richer when he was prime minister. They look him as a god, god Thaksin, as soon he pay them the day. Red low education level ease a lot Thaksin suprematie on his troops to get them on the first line in the streets, during this time he is confortably hidden in a rich hotels arround the world.

They are some times violent and arogant due to lak of education, they fall easilly in "yellows" traps to turn the streets in a mess witch turn things against the red cause, again by lack of education.

Some medium class people reach the movement, as they would like to get an active (and legitime) participation on governing the country...

Note : reds and yellows are all paying the same price to get the streets crowded. We have to admit, that if there is no money there is only a few persons.

What are the yellows??

As a witness, i could say that a yellow is a thai person issued from medium/high to high class who support a group of old (very old) elites witch are part of famous very high class famillies witch are owning almost all country large buisenesses, for example: they are rulling the rice buisness and also deciding for it's price.

Very influent people who are staying in the background, never appears on any medias but rule the country and it's economy. They do not want to share power or anything else...

If the yellows was in jail (their normal place), the reds would have to surrender RIGHT AWAY.

Let's sentence and jail the yellows first.

You are right!

If the yellows who were sentenced guilty and jailed, they then should go first.

i repeat, i am not red , pink, blue or yellow, i am nothing here, just a witness farang.

there is laws for some thais and freeway for others!

seems to be a two (or more) speed law here..................

anyway they are all guilty of corruption, lets send them all in jail!

after get rid of people in leather vests and harleys i recommend to get rid of:

people call themselves "business" man and running around in suits and bring drugs in this country...

people who look "innocent" in their clothings but had done crime in their countries like:

get high credit at the bank and flee to thailand after that to spent that money..

dont pay tax in this or their countries but make business there and here (and wear nice and expensive clothings and drive expensive cars)..

hide in thailand for crimes like rape and other cases of harming people

and give themselves and good look in good clothing but are dirty inside..

we all know.. the way somebody look have nothing to do with his inside thinkings and what he may done in his life...

motorcycle gang members are not all criminals..

i meet more people here in thailand who disguise themselve as "a good boy"... and they are really much more criminal than people who may have a leather vest and long hair and tattoos..

have you seen all the people who been arrested in the past in punk clothing or looking like they "are" criminals?

most of the people who commit crime and do drug smuggling give themselve a decent look and dont want to be suspicious because of their looking..

think about before you judge people in dresses you would not wear..with tattoos.. or the ones who drive harleys..

if you point with 1 finger on others... 3 fingers point back to you..

so... who drop the first stone..

and who sit in a glasshouse should not drop even a sandkorn...

hope to get rid of all people who think they are "better" guys bcos they wear business dresses!

Yeah but wearing a vest, having long hair and tatts does make you look like one of Village People and you deserve to go down just for that.

Hey Mekhong,

It is so easy to judge some-one from behind a keyboard.

Let everybody just be who they wanna be, let them have fun, dress up the way they wanna dress up, as long as they are happy.

What's the harm in that.

As they say: "Small minded people judge anything they fail to understand".

I cannot say better than this!! "Small minded people judge anything they fail to understand".

i like this..it's so true...unfortunatly it is the same all around the world. The diference always disturb people

The last class war that I can remember was in China, between Mao and ... (sorry I don't remember the loser's name). The loser ran away and hide in Taiwan ever since.

I hope PAD will win this class war.

That would be Nationalist leader Chaing Kai Shek

No, he didn't hide, he created a working economy that integrated with the outside world and was a huge success

for decades before China finally changed it's ways and started EMULATING the parts of Taiwan

that could successfully feed the Chinese workforce... Taiwan has been a thorn in Chinas side

for years just because of it's success.

CHINA!!! what an example about human rights!!!!!

Giles Ji Ungpakorn

just search this on google.

may be we can have a closer idea of what's happenning here.

Too much power to army, means they rule!

police inbetween all, but salary comes from government...cannot buy the last toyota with only salary, isn't it?

all old generals and all old politics close to the r...y rule the country. in this case no democratie possible. as they have money more that they can keep... where this money come from?? up to you to give an answer, but each THAI CITIZEN can think and know where this money come from. With all the ongoing scams it is not difficult to know.

just a dissapointment, a day all this will have to stop as there is more schools all around and people will get more educated...by this they will expect more transpoarency and honesty. the same as the government expect from them!

this kind of "democratie" cannot last for long in any evoluated country.

Just look after UK!

the people, poor peolple , if they want . they will get the last word! and win!

the reds...the yellows...2006 there was a coup by the army commended by .... to bring back the high classes back to complete control of the country...

again...is this right? in my own country i will take their way...revolution. but a revolution needs to come from minds and not from wallets. As they are all paying their own protesyers, we can understand that some yellow are now red and vise versa.

amazing thailand.

some of good guys are still in forced silence here, unfortunatly.

no one's clear in this, and small and medium classes are paying again and again...

Who is offering the Alleged bribe, Red or yellow?

That's the question!

i will be not surprised if it's from the both sides!!!!!