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I am disinclined to bandy figures since there are lies, damn lies and statistics.  Suffice to say that you are *HIGHLY* selective in what you choose to quote.  The simple answer - 15Jan the pound was at 1.199.  Today it's at 1.248.  Is that too difficult to understand?

Why not expend your energy in constructive comment on the impending negotiations?

8 minutes ago, chiang mai said:

 

And...?

Sorry - - was that too difficult to read?

8 minutes ago, chiang mai said:

Blah blah blah!

 

Here's an example of a fact: The Pound has fallen at least 15% against USD since the Referendum.

 

Here's another: the FTSE 250 has surged because the Pound has weakened, foreign earnings distort the UK value of the index.

 

When you see one of those the idea is to say yes, it has, not no, it hasn't, you get the idea!

Talking about the pound....

".....The currency's impressive recovery rally through the second-half of January takes it towards the upper end of established ranges against Euro and Dollar and this would suggest further gains become hard to achieve as the market is structurally positioned to resist advances beyond here.

Technical strategist Robin Wilkin at Lloyds Bank Commercial Banking has analysed the current state of the markets and says the Pound is tapping up against the upper limits of its established ranges against both the Euro and Dollar............"

https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/gbp-live-today/6106-lloyds-pound-versus-the-dollar-and-euro

A little bit older, but very much post-referendum...

"..........Pound Sterling Euro Exchange Rate Hits 1.19 – Could it rally beyond this level?...."

http://www.euroexchangeratenews.co.uk/pound-sterling-euro-exchange-rate-forecast-pmis-20504

12 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

I wasn't aiming at you - however, when I posted a link to explain the difference between Civic Nationalism and National Socialism in an attempt to counter the deplorable suggestion by another that the SNP was a one-way road to gas chambers in Scotland, you responded that it the link was drivel, hence our diversion down that cul-de-sac.

You quoted me - That indicates a post aimed at me.     I'm not fighting you --  not over this or anything else, just chewing the cud on a hot afternoon :)

6 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

You didn't but the underlying tone of the post from 7by7 was that the SNP was taking Scotland down the road to a modern day version of Nazi Germany.

You shot the wrong poster !!  Never mind - I have a hide like a rhino, but I'm not as pretty

14 minutes ago, Flustered said:

A few facts about UK trade with the EU. And remember that the EU is not a country, just a political and economic block. Some countries within the EU will suffer badly if there is a hard Brexit as they depend on exporting to the UK and for UK citizens paying into their economy.

 

 

3.3 million EU citizens live in the UK and only 1.2 million UK citizens live in the EU.

 

 

https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/Trade with the EU matters a lot, but less than it used to

 

 

 

 

Total exports.—£220 billion out of £510 billion-   About 44% of UK exports in goods and services went to other countries in the EU in 2015

. That share has been declining, because exports to other countries have been increasing at a faster rate.

 

 

 Over the next ten to 15 years, 90% of world demand will be generated outside Europe says the European Commission itself.

You'll need to provide three links to support each "fact" or the remainers will moan all next week

12 minutes ago, chiang mai said:

Who gives you the right to determine that my question is pointless!

 

As an expat I'm interested in knowing what the other expat views are!!!

 

And judging from the lack of response I gather nobody wants to talk about it, not surprising really given the potentially dire state of financial accounting that's looming! The last thing I remember on this subject was some people saying it would be OK after about six months, everything would recover. Ha!

 

 

 

Start a poll and let all the remainers vote.  then subtract that number from the forum population and you will know how many are brexiters.  :)

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

Fact or fiction.

Michel Barnier, the European Union’s chief Brexit negotiator, is set to demand a €57bn (£48bn) payment from the UK to the leave the bloc. 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/european-commission-agree-48-billion-brexit-latest-eu-divorce-bill-uk-a7573291.html

The "fact" being quoted, in other words, is that Barnier is "going to demand £48bn,,"  There is no "fact" that UK will pay it.

22 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

That may be true, but to suggest that the independence movement is akin to national socialism is abhorrent.

I didn't.!

26 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Then what do you plan to do about Westminster? The English NHS is such a catastrophe compared to the Scottish one; even Hunt is now having to accept the failure of the Tories in this respect. Education, as we all acknowledge, requires improvement - but as is clear only this week, it is hindered by the hangover of Labour's disastrous forced implementation of PFI. As for Holyrood's focus, the pro-independence parties have a slim majority - what are the SLab, Tory and Lib Dem MSPs doing if all that Holyrood can talk about is independence?

 

I think that the myopia is with the Scots bashers on this thread, not in Holyrood.

What improvements have actually happened during the SNP's "reign"? Education?  Now not taking part in international standards, now senior students about one year behind,  I'll let you look up actual waiting list times for the NHS from ten years ago and now.  No-one is myopic - it's the situation that is distorted. No-one is bashing Scots as a nation, only the warp that is Holyrood.  Nothing would please me more than wave my Scottish passport at Glasgow airport and arrive home!

2 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Do you think that Scots don't have the political or intellectual capability of thinking beyond the conundrum of independence or subjugation?

 

We have our own working parliament, representing a panoply of political thought. Whydo you suggest that our existing institutions collapse under the weight of self determination?

Look at the education standards of Scotland compared to Switzerland, where government can entrust such decisions to it's people.   To say that Holyrood is "working" is stretching things.  They open for business every day, but where are the improvements to the scottish NHS, Education, etc, etc.?  The only thing holyrood is "working" on is independence.  everything else can go hang if it does not further that aim.

58 minutes ago, Grouse said:

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Best posting I've seen yet from this half-wit. :)

14 hours ago, 7by7 said:

They haven't; yet.

 

But you, yourself, have stated many times that you merely see the SNP as the means to an end, and when (if) Scottish independence is achieved the Scottish voters will ditch them.

 

They may not want to go and may use such power as available to them to hang on as long as they can.

 

They have already shown a certain contempt for the democratic process in calling for a second referendum almost immediately after losing the first.

Apart from the usual rhetoric, was there not some restriction on repeating the referendum in the enabling act?  If not - I sure hope they put a 25 year limit on the next one or we'll end up suffering from referendumitis.  Scotland might be better using the Swiss model of frequent referendums, but the SNP will probably shut that door in case a "Unionist" cause gets going and they have to partition Scotland --  sounding familiar anyone?

The inside view of nationalist movements in Ireland, Yugoslavia, etc would indicate that once the objective is achieved, or not, there is a vacuum, a dearth of policies to enable people to get on with life and enjoy the status.  Independence movements are, but their very nature, one-trick-ponies, and have proven to be useless when there is nothing to kick against. 

5 hours ago, SaintLouisBlues said:

The report in detail said:

1. Get to the back of the queue - 2020 at the earliest
2. Scotland will have to agree to use the Euro as its currency
3. The Scottish economy taken by itself is even more of a basket case that Greece, so why would the EU want Scotland as a member

Nothing to worry about there --

2017 start negotiations, 2019 get the deal signed, 2020 referendum in Scotland

The euro is a given.  UK is most unlikely to want to share a currency with independent Scotland.

Ah - there is the misconception which I have tried to allay several times.  EU is not about money, it's about the combination of money and power.  Scotland will be a perfect little lapdog, in the same way as the other minnows who manage to keep their books in order.  Greece becoming a member with falsified books only demonstrates just how much the EU wants power, and is prepared to pay for it.

2 hours ago, SheungWan said:

 

Recommended if one is a bit light on the research front then throw in a word like 'huge' and wing it from there.

Fortunately some of us actually do enough research to see through your heavily biased commentary on the "facts"

58 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

Probably, but whether I phrased it as a question or a statement, I cannot recall.

 

However, unless the EU negotiator are given unlimited powers by the EU's democratic institutions, probably the heads of state, which is highly unlikely in my opinion, then any deal reached must surely have to be approved by one of the institutions mentioned.

I suspect that, as with the UK side, it is more likely to be the latter.

 

Each side will, of course, have two sets of proposals; those it wants, and those it will accept. Each side will be attempting to achieve more of the first, fewer of the latter. Once the negotiators have reached an agreement, that is the time to refer back for the approval of their political masters. 

 

If every time one side came up with a proposal the other had to refer back to it's masters, then the negotiations would never finish!

I brought that up a few days ago -- the negotiations will produce a series of options to choose from.  Westminster will get to debate more of this or less of that, but not both, depending on how the optional terms are written.  It's standard negotiating practice, especially when the negotiator is not going to be the signatory.

2 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

...........Many Scottish only matters

so, using your own argument, should be voted on by all MPs, not just Scottish ones.

It's all part of the SNP's smokescreen, actually they don't give a tuppeny damn about English matters, they voted against fox-hunting to appease the greens, and they will vote for anything that highlights the lack of independence -- whether relevant or not. 

labels,,  labels...   It's like the Label "Christian Democrat"  --- Christ was no democrat !!!

1 minute ago, RuamRudy said:

Do you feel equally as dismissive of the suggestion that the SNP shows signs of totalinarianism because they have the word 'national' in their name?

SNP are , by definition, a one-trick pony.  The want Independence at *ANY* cost.  They have no policies that extend past that day.

9 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

As unfounded smear attempts go, that is the most repulsive of the lot.

 

https://msu.edu/user/hillrr/161lec16.htm

 

such drivel.......

20 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

The UK want to negotiate a deal with the EU, then have that deal approved by Parliament. Fair enough; I have always said that should be the case.

 

The crunch is what happens if Parliament don't approve the deal.

 

Will the EU agree to further negotiations? They could easily simply say "These are our agreed terms; take it or leave it."

 

What about the other side? Will any deal agreed by the EU negotiators have to be approved, and if so by whom?

 

The European parliament?

 

The Council of Ministers?

 

The EU heads of state?

Did you not say previously  that the deal has to be approved by the EU's members?  The question is whether the EU will let members see what's on the table all through the negotiating process, or will they be presented with the final deal to have a simple yes/no vote?

9 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

At least their dreaming is getting a bit more sober. Wasn't it 60b last week?

At 10Bn less per week, after 2 years they'll be paying the UK a kings ransom to get them out :)

8 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

OK, so we can agree that this back of the queue nonsense is exactly that - more BT unionist lies designed to scare people away from independence.

I am unsure about your comment about SNP being unpopular. I accept that down south they are as popular as a fish milkshake, but I get the impression that their internationalism is very warmly welcomed in Europe.

I base my comment on the reception by Junkers, Schultz and others.  All saying yes, you can join, if you pass the entrance exam all the way from square one as a new applicant -- in other words absolutely no concessions, and no credit for having been a "part-member" before.   I don't see tinkerbell travelling around her "EU friends" to keep them warm - only rhetoric and whining from the safety of Holyrood.....

31 minutes ago, Gary A said:

What kind of deal is this?

 

Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier set to demand UK pays £48bn EU divorce bill

"No Deal" sounds better and better :)   What the EU needs to understand is that "No Deal" means ALL payments stop NOW.  No more paying into EU schemes up to 2020 etc etc.  Barnier is creating a deal-breaker long before he even sits down at the negotiating table.  What a jerk ......

11 minutes ago, maxtwo said:

I don't understand why they want to be alone.But part of the big dictator that is the EU.

If your not a bred Scot - you'd not understand. 

6 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Is like a conveyor belt, and that applicant countries can only be processed one at a time? Must those with existing applications be cleared before those coming behind can be processed, regardless of whether the new applicants meet entry criteria?

I suppose they can process several at once, seeing as they will be at different stages and involve different EU staff, but the bottom line is that an independent Scotland would need the support of all the more powerful member countries.  Given the SNP's singular inability to make friends, that's going to be a major stumbling block.