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It's my understanding that falang/farang is interpreted as Westerner, not as Foreigner.
How does the OP refer to Thais? Do you use their name (assuming you know their name) without using the polite Kuhn, Pi, Nong, Loong, Yai, Ba, Por, Mere, etc? If you don't use the Thai form of address (or maybe you don't even address them or try to communicate with them at all), then I can guarantee that when you hear them refer to you as a farang that they are adding a few choice adjectives as well. Have you heard them say Kwai Falang?
Try learning their names and respective age/relationship titles and every time you see them, give them a wai, say Hello in Thai, followed by their title/name, and a "how are you". I assume after 5
minutesyears living here that you know those simple phrases? They will get the message that you have suddenly discovered how to show respect to them, and you're guaranteed to get a sawatdee-krap Kuhn Henlee back in return. Jeez, even if they call you Kuhn Falang it will be an improvement. -
I asked a Thai bloke roughly how big a Rai was, he looked at me like I was retarded. He probably posted how stupid I was on a Thai forum .
Thanks Scully, been reading TV posts all morning and this post of yours gave me a laugh that I badly needed.
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We all know, that a fair amount of those money, are going to end up in
the wrong pockets. Which most to us is not acceptable, simply due to the
big amounts we are talking about.
it is none of our (expats) business to judge what is acceptable/charming or not
in our "host" country. moreover, no bitching will change the situation.
I agree - I don't pay taxes here (other than VAT) so why should I have any right to criticise or praise what is done with Thai government funds. I get to use the roads, the infrastructure (no wisecracks please), and yet I hardly contribute a cent towards the maintenance or capital cost of that infrastructure.
I will say that "corruption" is endemic in Asia, and has been for thousands of years, long before we westerners really had any real culture. (I'm talking post Roman Conquest here.) It's a way of life in Asia, and let's face it corruption was endemic in most western cultures/governments until the late 19th or early 20th century.
However, if you do pay significant taxes in Thailand then I respect your right to have an opinion on government corruption.
As to the quaintness of low-level corruption by the BIB at the roadside and made several posts about my experiences on TV. I've politely argued with them several times and got away with it, but if I'm in the wrong then I happily pay the 200 baht rather than get my licence confiscated and all the drama that goes with it. I might offer my expired credit card next time and see if gets a laugh and a free pass!
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To the OP. Try this link for Weather Radar. I've found it very reliable (back in NZ). It's computer modelled so is constantly updated with data that will modify the display for you as new data/trends are fed into the model. You can select a time slot and play the video and see where rain is likely to fall, where it comes from, and how long it is expected to last.
I'd rather trust this sort of model than a forecasters interpretation (probably of similar models admittedly), but the forecaster is summarising 2 or 3 days data covering hundreds of thousands of square kilometres into a simple phrase such as "rain on Thursday, or maybe Friday in parts of Chiang Mai."
Link: http://www.weather-forecast.com/maps/Thailand?symbols=none&type=prec
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Paper plates and plastic cups are the obvious answer to your dilemma.
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Weather Forecasters and Economists are the only two professions where you're allowed to get it wrong 50% of the time and still keep your job.
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I've read this entire topic and frankly am both amused and bemused about many of the comments, particularly those of the OP. Surely anybody has the choice to live in any country they choose, subject to the immigration laws of the country of their choice and your personal financial position. The immigration laws (of any/all countries) are subject to change, as is your own financial position due to the whimsy of international financial markets and exchange rates.
If for whatever reason you are either unable or unwilling to comply with the immigration laws of the country you choose, then you will not be able to live there. If your financial situation is such that you are unable to meet the long term visa (retirement) requirements of Thailand (or any other country), then you have to make alternative choices - ipso facto.
If you are less than 50 and have to find alternative methods (visas) of living in Thailand long term, then you will have to work within the immigration laws to achieve your aim - ipso facto.
I should imagine that if your income is less than the 800K THB requirement to get a retirement visa in Thailand, then you won't exactly be living the life of Riley in your own country anyway.
As to the use of the word "detritus", irrespective of whether the OP classes himself as belonging to that group, well that's just inflammatory and unfortunately has somewhat derailed the general discussion in the thread. Sarcasm switch on - Personally I would prefer that you'd used the much more technical phrase "bottom feeder". Sarcasm switch off.
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They wait for several reasons, securing the tip is probably not actually top of the list. Firstly they wait to allow you to verify that the change you have been given is correct - I've seen a few disputes where the customer doesn't check the change immediately they receive the folder from the waiter/waitress (in their presence) and then 10 minutes later tries to argue that they're 100 baht short, it invariably lapses into a messy face losing dispute for the customer. Conversely I've actually been both short changed and been given too much change on a number of occasions, the staff have been at my shoulder and I've never had a problem getting it corrected. My wife tells me that also in regard to this point, the waiter is responsible to the cashier for any discrepancy in the change, thus their desire to ensure no dispute or possibility of a dispute arises.
Secondly, they want to clear your bin (along with any tip) and not have to come back to your table again as presumably if you've check-binned, you no longer require their services. Until the change has been verified as being correct and the folder returned to the cashier, your bin is still technically open.
Personally, I always show the waiter the note/s I am paying with and state the amount of the note. eg. if paying a 450 baht bin with a 1,000 note, I always make sure the waiter knows that I know that I gave him a 1,000 baht note. That way they know they can't give you change for a 500 note and expect to get away with it. This is particularly good advice if you've got a few beers under your belt and look a bit gullible - and/or you're in a gogo or other similar venue. Also, be reasonably (but not overly) generous tipping. 20-50 baht at a restaurant is OK for a couple. And if you go as a foursome or sixsome and combine the bin, don't be a cheap-Charlie and leave one 20 baht tip. Leaving no tip is better than leaving an offensive tip.
My wife had great pleasure once in leaving 70 baht as a tip in the folder but then told the waitress that she asked for no pepper in one dish but got pepper, (removed 20 baht), told her that she asked for another dish to be sour but it was sweet, (removed another 20 baht), and that there were too many mosquitos and why didn't the restaurant have more low fans to keep them away (removes another 20 baht). Just as the waitresses mouth drops, wife puts the 60 baht back in the folder and says she doesn't really care about the mosquitos, but next time she would like the dishes as she ordered them. Been back several times and we're instantly recognised, get good service, dishes as they're ordered......downside is I'm now committed to a 70 baht tip every time, and I just have to hope they aren't spitting in the food!!
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I asked another 3 Thai girls and 2 Thai guys the question tonight. Use of iphone calculators etc was prevalent. The uniform answer was 48. Told them all they were wrong and the correct answer was 52. I'm the crazy Farang that can't count apparently!
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Ok I took the bait and asked the question. The answer is 48. The reasoning - 4 weeks per month and 12 months per year. I mentioned that there might be 52 weeks in a year and my maths was severely questioned. "Four times twelve is definitely fourty-eight". Go figure!
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I agree with the OP. I think it comes down to the attitudes of people and how they react to what could be negative or bizarre situations. I got pulled up on my scooter for taking what I thought was a free left turn at the lights. Cop flags me down, we do the Sawatdee kaps and he asks for my licence (which I have) and asked for the bike licence which was under the seat. As I rummage around in the crap under the seat the cop says something to my wife in Thai, "hope he hasn't got a bomb in there". She translates to me, and I say "no, didn't know I was supposed to have one?". Cop laughs, hands back the licence and lets us go - no ticket, no tea money.
I've got mates who would rant and rave in similar situations. Others complain about being stopped for no helmet, or they rant and rave at immigration because they didn't do their homework and don't have the right documents, or moan because the "idiot Thai" shopkeeper didn't understand that I wanted a 20 watt light bulb and not the 100 watt light bulb he tried to sell me, etc, etc,. I tell them to get with the programme - you don't have any special rights here, be civil, be courteous, be informed - it goes a long way towards making the most of every day.
As to the negative opinions I read on TV by many members - best ignored and not take the bait.
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<p>You admit openly that you're a bit naïve about FX transactions and Foreign Currency Accounts. Your statement that the AUD has been "more stable" against the THB than the USD supports your admission. And now you want to convert USD to AUD, so you can later convert to THB? </p>
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<p>EDIT - To clarify - the USD is at an all-time low against the AUD. The AUD is close to an all-time high against the THB. In layman's terms you are buying AUD very expensively, and then because the AUD is very high against the THB, you would be buying THB very expensively with your AUD, it arguably does not have much headroom. There is therefore (arguably) very little, if any margin to be made on your theory. A US person with a real need to have THB for consumption in Thailand would probably judge it better to leave as much currency in USD as they can for the time being on the expectation that the USD firms and/or the THB weakens against your domestic currency. Because your cash/assets are held in USD at a time when the USD is very weak against Thailand and most major currencies, your kinda between a rock and a hard place at the moment.</p>
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<p>I suggest you do some comprehensive reading to understand more of the complexities of FX trading and the relationships between various currency cross-rates before you delve too far into actually doing anything. Many people have been burned by transferring across currencies without knowing what they are doing, particularly with on-line leveraged day-trading.</p>
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I'm confused as to why anybody would bother to try and prove their income/pension and then get a POI letter from your embassy. Thai immigration accept a Statutory Declaration issued by an Embassy. A Statutory Declaration is different to a POI letter. Simply go to the Embassy, ask to make a Statutory Declaration, state that your income exceeds the requirements of the Thailand Immigration for the purposes of a Retirement Visa.....and Bob's your Aunty!
Because you are making a Stat. Dec., you don't need to prove what you are declaring. No need to transfer money, no need for bank statements, passbooks, pension documentation etc. Here's a TV thread that clarifies it. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/534786-retirement-visa-thb65000month-income-option/
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Essentially yes, the comment you have quoted means that it would be better if a "Gentleman" captains the cricket team rather than a "Gamekeeper". It infers that a gentlemen is technically high-born from the ruling classes, of good education, good manners, and of the Landed Gentry etc etc. A Gamekeeper is arguably an uneducated peasant of low standing that would work for the Gentleman on his Estate. In the period that your program is probably set, the gamekeeper would probably not have been in the Class that generally played cricket as it was only those of refined upbringing that played.
I'm not supporting any sort of class distinction, just trying to clarify.
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The British working man stopped believing in a fair days work for a fair days pay, and we got what we deserved.............some of the industrial practises of the time were absolutely beyond belief.
I sat in a canteen in 1984 in BSC Ravenscraig and watched a vicious fight take place during a Union meeting, the Communists, ( yes we had communists, red stars on their caps, the whole works ) were demanding that we come out on strike to support the Miners. Other men objected as the miners had refused to support our Steel strike in 1980, one word led to another and a mass brawl broke out.
Entertaining as it was for an 18 year old to watch I'll never forget one guy saying, " the idea is a simple one, come to work, do your job, get paid, go home, not come to work and look for any excuse to go out on strike ".
I would suggest that just about anyone who was involved in the heavy industries during the 70's and 80's could tell you horror stories, deliberate sabotage, ( a regular occurrence in our steel works ) petty strikes, blah blah.....it was just unbelievable at times.
We working men were our own worst enemy, and if you don't believe that, you weren't there.
In the early days Thatcher had no choice, she had to do what she did re British nationalized industries.
She lost the plot later though with the poll tax, allowing Nigel Lawson to turn on the credit tap, and talking tough on Europe while folding behind the scenes. She stayed on for one election too many, it's as simple as that.
I think your post sums up the 70's and 80's under her stewardship very well. The UK was a divided nation and casualties from both wings of the political spectrum were inevitable. It was basically a war of sorts. Perhaps the following lyrics from a song of the times by the Strawbs (I'm a union man, written in 1973) will remind some of us of the political feelings/power of the Unions back in those days.
Now I'm a union man
Amazed at what I am
I say what I think, that the company stinks
Yes I'm a union man
When we meet in the local hall
I'll be voting with them all
With a hell of a shout, it's "Out brothers, out!"
And the rise of the factory's fall
Oh, you don't get me, I'm part of the union
You don't get me, I'm part of the union
You don't get me, I'm part of the union
Until the day I die, until the day I die
As a union man I'm wise
To the lies of the company spies
And I don't get fooled by the factory rules
'Cause I always read between the lines
And I always get my way
If I strike for higher pay
When I show my card to the Scotland Yard
And this is what I say
Oh, oh, you don't get me, I'm part of the union
You don't get me, I'm part of the union
You don't get me, I'm part of the union
Until the day I die, until the day I die
Before the union did appear
My life was half as clear
Now I've got the power to the working hour
And every other day of the year
So though I'm a working man
I can ruin the government's plan
And though I'm not hard, the sight of my card
Makes me some kind of superman
Oh, oh, oh, you don't get me, I'm part of the union
You don't get me, I'm part of the union
You don't get me, I'm part of the union
Until the day I die, until the day I die
You don't get me, I'm part of the union
You don't get me, I'm part of the union
You don't get me, I'm part of the union
Until the day I die, until the day I die
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I've found that many Thais can remember my name even though they are brief acquaintances from years ago, or maybe I've never even talked to them but they know of me through 3rd parties etc. Can be a bit alarming at times.
Equally as bizarre is that my wife rarely ever refers to any of her friends or family by name, but will always say my friend from school, or my friend from Chumpon, or Aunty/uncle/sister etc. when it could really be some distant cousin or even just a friend of the family. I know she is just referring to the pi/lung/nong/yai etc,. method of referring to people by their age range.....but when asked the specific name of the relation, she is usually stumped and will say something like "my mum's younger sister's oldest daughter".
Go figure!! Maybe the name recognition only applies to Westerners as somebody else in the thread pointed out.
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Sounds more like a misinterpretation ala ' send three and four pence, were going to a dance'
Haven't heard that one for a while...."send reinforcements, we're going to advance."
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My advice is that Thailand is Thailand. Don't compare it to your home country or any other country for that matter. It's a unique place and that's what's so great about it. Accept the customs, don't compare them to your home. I disagree with many of their customs, but criticizing is fruitless and frustrating - if anybody detests things that much then vote with your feet and go home. Accept the driving standards - they are what they are so either adapt and survive or don't drive at all.'
As to the culture itself, read as much as you can from informed sources (and regrettably most TV members could not be considered an informed source), try and understand the unique Thai way of thinking and behaving, and adapt your behaviour and expectations to Thailand. Treat everybody with respect and it will be returned in kind. Sure, you'll have some disappointments but 99% of the time it is the best policy. The more you understand the culture, the less likely you are to get ripped off or have a bad experience. At worst, your understanding will allow you to make the most of a bad experience.
Learn the language to whatever level you are able. I've learnt about 500 words over the last 3 years and I'm a lazy sod - anybody who has a real desire could do much better than me. Don't just learn the word, learn to speak it reasonably fluently. Nothing worse than hearing a Farang speak badly pronounced Thai.
Here's an experience I had that sums up how to behave and how language can help. I was in a 7/11 behind a Russian who wanted the girl to put credit on his phone. He got the request across in very bad (and LOUD) English. The girl said in English "very busy, please wait" and handed the phone and the credit slip back to him - there were about 10 people lined up to be served. He went off his face in Russian and was obviously being abusive, so she took the phone back and added the credit for him and handed back the phone.
He then ranted on in bad English and wanted proof the credit had been added. She said "please wait" in English, but the Russian started ranting again. I could see her lose her cool and she had a look on her face that basically said eff you! She said in Thai that she had a headache from customers like him and that he can wait and it serves him right! She then looked at me and said gruffly in English "What you want?" I replied in Thai that I wanted two packets of LM red box cigarettes, and that I was going to ask for 200 baht credit for my phone also, but now I was too scared. She asked me if I understood what she said to the Russian and I said yes, and that people like that give me a headache also.
She gets the cigarettes, looks at me and bursts out laughing, along with the 4 or 5 Thais that heard me. She asked for my phone, put on the credit and while she was doing that we had a conversation in Thai. Where was I from, am I married, where did I learn Thai, do I like Thailand (and if you're asked this, always reply that you love Thailand and Thai people are wonderful), and then a girl in the queue asked if I had a baby (yes), boy or girl (girl), how old (3yo) and what was her name. I pay for the cigs and the phone credit, and the Russian is fuming! I get a big smile, a big Wai and a sawatdee ka, jer-gan-mai-ka from the shop girl and half of the customers and walk out. Looked over my shoulder and she ignores the Russian again and serves the next person.
He was Russian, but that is somewhat irrelevant. He was rude, loud, disrespectful, and caused her to lose face somewhat. She had to gain face by ignoring him. I was polite, knew enough basic Thai to have a laugh and ask for cigs and credit, and answer a few basic questions, and to some extent also allowed her to gain face in front of her co-worker and customers. I could have asked for what I wanted in English, but would not have had the conversation that eventuated, and that conversation gave me a bit of a buzz, and made the day worth remembering.
Had many similar situations also - saved 3,000 baht on a truck tyre once because I heard the staff discussing how much they were going to overcharge the Farang (3,000 baht more than the list price), and had a good laugh with the staff in doing so - it was a game to them, I caught them because I knew a few words of Thai, told them jokingly and respectfully to take the tyre off and I'll go somewhere else, we all laughed, I tipped them 500 baht, paid the regular price for the tyre, and they said come back next time and I'll get 10% discount on my next tyre. They told me their last customer was a wealthy Thai chap with a Mercedes and they scored an extra 2,000 baht off him.
So in summary, learn the culture and accept it, learn some Thai, show respect, always smile no matter how disconcerted you feel. Oh......and Carpe Diem (Seize the day). And really, that's what anybody living in any foreign country needs to do.
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Well done to all those members quickly realised this was an April Fool's hoax but kept the joke going. Many thanks also to all the serious posters who either don't know about April 1st, or were simply taken in by the OP and had a bit of a rant. Made great reading!!
However, the irony is that on any other day an announcement such as this from a quasi government organisation would be more than believable.
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Slightly off topic, but I was stoped by the Police today for "failing to keep left while not overtaking". It was explained to me in pretty good English that my licence would be confiscated, I would have to pay the fine, and then return with a receipt to collect my licence, or collect it at the local police station tomorrow. My buddy said "can we pay now". The cop breathed a sigh of relief and replies "no problem, 200 baht". Currency changed hands, Sa-wat-dee-krups and Kohb-khun-krups all round, and off we go to the golf course. What impressed me the most was that I had a stack of 1,000's in my wallet (rent payment day) that the cop saw when I extracted my licence, but he chose not push for more than the 200. Integrity!!??
This is nothing new in Thailand I guess, but this was a significant event for me as it was my first exposure to direct corruption. In the past I've always got the ticket and had the hassle of paying the fine and tracking down my licence.
It will take 2 or 3 more generations before Thailand will even begin to extract itself from the quagmire of corruption and 3rd world status, not dissimilar to the American Wild west in the latter half of the 19th century. Aspirations of becoming a law-abiding and united country, but plagued by empire building sherrifs, marshalls, judges, governors and senators.....all hell bent on feathering their own nest.
My two penneth's worth.
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Why Do So Many Farangs Come To Thailand Then Ask For You To Invest In Their Start Up Business
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I've been offered similar "amazing" investment opportunities as the OP. Don't think I look gullible as such, but then I guess it's all down to the eye of the beholder. I have a bit of fun with these opportunities - start talking cashflow forecasts, 3 year rolling budgets, internal rates of return etc., and the prospective borrower's eyes glaze over and that's the end of the discussion. I then offer to do some budgets and forecasting models for them at 2,000 baht per hour and watch them run like hell.
I have a good friend that got the sharemarket tip of a lifetime from a bloke in a bar - said bloke gave the impression that he was a millionaire, had contacts with foreign governments etc., and was quite believable. I did some quick research on the web and found he was a local low-life with a history of dodgy dealings. I had to nail my friends feet to the ground to stop him putting 1/3 of his life's savings into the shares. Since we got the tip, the shares have halved in value. I think the bloke was simply trying to be a "noter" as there was no personal gain opportunity for him, but he had influence and I wonder if there are others out there who actually believed him and have done their dough already.