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I'm flattered you think I've been there before. Guess I must be doing my homework right. Honestly though what would I have to gain from playing like I've never been there?

Truth be told I've been planning this trip for a while and as such have been doing some research into it. Im on that secrets forum and I read a few books too, namely that private dance one. Between a forum and some sexy thai literature there isn't much one doesn't pick up.

Btw I'm not trying to come across as any sort of expert either but I think I've read up enough on pattaya to be able to handle myself there. But I know fk all about Chiang Mai hence why I joined up here.Hope I havent rubbed anyone the wrong way here. First round is on me when I come!

TBH compared to other places like BKK, Phuket and Pattaya, the P4P scene in Chiang Mai is tiny so im not sure why you are getting so hot under the collar. Aldo ladyboys and katoeys have always been a part of Thailand and always will. Your just a farang there so it's not for you to say what should be done there just because you may not agree with it.

Huh? Have you been to Thailand/Chiang Mai? Oh yeah ... no

Besides the point, which is... that regardless of if i've been, im right.

Ummm no, actually you aren't. Thankfully, much of the "scene" isn't so in your face in CNX and it is less oriented towards foreign tourists, but it is pretty large and diverse. The internet wouldn't tell you this though (nor would the common experience of tourists and most foreigners.)

Aand what did I say? That the P4P scene was tiny compared to Pattaya and Phuket. It goes without saying thai on thai places are not really frquented by farangs so naturally I wouldn't include them in my previous statement. THe only exception maybe being somewhere like the darkside/Sattahip in Pattaya.

TBH compared to other places like BKK, Phuket and Pattaya, the P4P scene in Chiang Mai is tiny so im not sure why you are getting so hot under the collar. Aldo ladyboys and katoeys have always been a part of Thailand and always will. Your just a farang there so it's not for you to say what should be done there just because you may not agree with it.

Huh? Have you been to Thailand/Chiang Mai? Oh yeah ... no

Besides the point, which is... that regardless of if i've been, im right.

Ok everyone I think we need to take a step back and chill out. I suggest some drinks and food... shall we say meet up at some bar on Loi Kroh road?

lol

TBH compared to other places like BKK, Phuket and Pattaya, the P4P scene in Chiang Mai is tiny so im not sure why you are getting so hot under the collar. Aldo ladyboys and katoeys have always been a part of Thailand and always will. Your just a farang there so it's not for you to say what should be done there just because you may not agree with it.

Why not?

The bars on Loi Kroh cater exclusively to foreigners not Thai's, so why can't a foreigner voice an opinion?

Does that mean tourists should start giving patong and pattaya makeovers too?

I never claimed to be an 'authority' so no need to get your nickers in a twist. But I've read enough on plenty of forums to know about a few of the main destinations in Thailand. Plus a good mate of mine owns a gogo in another city so its not like I dont have any idea about what p4p is offered in each city.

TBH compared to other places like BKK, Phuket and Pattaya, the P4P scene in Chiang Mai is tiny so im not sure why you are getting so hot under the collar. Aldo ladyboys and katoeys have always been a part of Thailand and always will. Your just a farang there so it's not for you to say what should be done there just because you may not agree with it.

Thanks, I only just read about the Downtown Inn thing after I booked my hotel. Oddly enough it's got plenty of good ratings on Agoda, anyway luckily I didn't book with them. I'm usually quite careful with my food, and i'm vegetarian so hopefully that will somewhat limit my chances of eating any contaminated food. I have to admit though I am a bit nervous in general now but im sure ill be fine after the 1st day or 2.

Thanks for all the previous replies too. I was wondering if ill have enough stuff to do for 10 days there but it seems ill have plenty to do.

Chiang Mai Gate Hotel? Good choice!

Is it? For the most part the reviews on agoda are all very positive. The odd complaint about bed bugs but can't complain for the price, plus I was struggling to find any that had an in room safe.

So what's in it for them?

The pleasure of my company for an evening, and if they are lucky maybe longer.

You would think some here have never heard of a quick fling. I'm assuming most here throwing out the negativity are a lot older than I am hence the grumpy expat M.O. Nae bother.

You are coming to Thailand for the first time .... but please do diminish the actual experience of the people YOU asked for information

haha Ok I concede. I shouldn't come here expecting an easy lay.

So what's in it for them?

The pleasure of my company for an evening, and if they are lucky maybe longer.

You would think some here have never heard of a quick fling. I'm assuming most here throwing out the negativity are a lot older than I am hence the grumpy expat M.O. Nae bother.

Thanks for all the helpful replies. I'll continue to plug away at the online thing. I think ill have some sucess there, many have called me a 'hansum man'.

RE Pattaya yeah I know it's not got the best reputation but im atually going there to visit an old school mate. As it turns out he is running a go go bar there so he invited me out there to play some golf and check it out. I was a bit hesitant at first but kind of looking forward to it now. Anyway if it all gets too seedy for me ill happily jet off aftre NYE somewhere else. Internal flights seem quite cheap generally. I had also considered patong yes but I thought at the time of booking id rather spend my time there enjoying some beach rather than seeing some snatch which ill be doing in pattaya later on anyway.

Ok final question. How does one go abouts contacting the Army base to organise some shooting? I know there are a few shooting places around CM but the ones ive seen so far all seem to only have the basic set of handguns with the odd shotgun and rifle thrown in. Im assuming on the army base I might be able to get my hands on maybe an AK, M16 or something else high powered? And no im not a gun nut, but im not sure when ill be able to get my hands on one again so am just trying to make the most of the trip.

Thanks again for the replies

You sound like a really nice guy who is looking for above board adventure in Thailand.

If so, you will love Chiang Mai.

But my advice is; avoid Pattaya, or otherwise known as, Cesspit on Sea, it is the total opposite to what interests you have described.

Also, if you want to meet a Thai girl just for dating, not a lady of ill repute, then try some of the free on line dating sites and perhaps you could arrange a date with a girl on there before you arrive in Thailand. But again, be wary, there are many scammers on those dating web sites.

Thanks. I should have mentioned ive been on the online sites for a few months and have 6 or 7 potential dates as backup so I shouldn't have any problem meeting girls over there. They all seem really keen ot meet but I got the feeling most of them are 'pros'. Think ill just go with the flow and see what happens but ill be sure to stay vigilent what with the potential scammers out there. Thanks for advice though!

Bob,

I know you don't get the basics of Thai culture, but ask yourself one thing .... why would any decent Thai girl hook up with someone on a 10 day visit? The Thais that speak English are clued in to tourists and the ones that do not .....

Muay Thai (the real thing and not exhibitions or staged sparring) is something I can't help with.

Volunteering isn't legal without a work permit.

December is sooooo far away that any real advice today will quite likely be out of date by next High Season.

Thanks for the reply. I had heard (of other forums) that it's quite common for some of the university students to go out on the 'pull' for farangs at some of the local discos. Im farily young, late 20's and look after myself so whilst that's not the sole purpose for my trip I wouldn't mind a crack on a Friday night. I plan on learning some Thai also, just some basics to get me by.

Hi all.

I'm traveling to Thailand for the first time later this year (December). I'm going to Chiang Mai for 10 nights then to Koh Lanta and Pattaya.

In terms of what to do in CM, im going to see as many of the Wats as possible as well as some elephant and snake farms. Maybe a tiger temple too. I also plan to take some cooking lessons. Aside from this I had a couple of questions.

1) Does anyone know if the Kamillia Army boxing stadium has opened back up yet, the one across the river from the night market? Also is there anywhere else in CM where I can see a genuine muay thai fight? I know they show them in BKK too but I don't really want to pay 2-3k.

2) Can anyone suggest any decent clubs where one might be able to meet some local (non P4P) girls? I know there are some beer bars somewhere but tbh im not really after any of that in CM given that im later on headed to Pattaya. I've heard Bubble and one or 2 others but from what i've heard ill just end up picking up freelancers there.

3) Is there anything else anyone can suggest that I should do in terms of activities to keep me occupied? I want to try out some stuff regular tourists may not generally be aware of. Can I volunteer at any of the temples to help out the monks with stuff? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

4) Finally does anyone know of any bars that would be showing premiership footy? I'm going to staying at the Chiang Mai Gate hotel, 11/10 Suriyawong Road so am looking for something around there. Location looks good as did reviews and I got a good deal on agoda.

www dot chiangmaigatehotel dot com

Thanks

Bob