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40 minutes ago, Redline said:

https://healthpolicy-watch.news/are-chinese-vaccines-underperforming-a-dearth-of-real-life-studies-on-covid-vaccine-performance-leaves-question-unanswered/

did you even read the article?

According to the WHO, which recently granted both vaccines “Emergency Use Listings”, Sinovac’s vaccine efficacy stands at 51% against symptomatic disease and 100% against severe disease.

100% is not bad, is it?

30 minutes ago, Blue Muton said:

Yes. Have you tried it?

I think I had it in Manila, it was fine how we had it (in a Sinagang)

It’s from the Philippines isn’t it?

1 hour ago, Thomas J said:

No I will get a shot of Pfizer or Moderna as soon as they are available. I might even later opt for a top up with Astra Zeneca if it is shown to provide additional benefit with two different vaccines. However if I am going to take a vaccine I don’t want the first one to be a vaccine with the lowest rate of effectiveness 

why not take your doctors advice, as you would with all other medical matters?

you are not remotely qualified to make judgements on this 

10 hours ago, Lambou69 said:

Not good enough 50% 

Chinese garbage

100% at preventing death and over 99% effective against hospitalization 

how Is that garbage?

16 hours ago, Ireland32 said:

Well in Indonesia 350 medical doctors have contacted Covid many in Hospitals, Costa Fica just cancelled Sinovac it’s <deleted> 

There are over 140,000 doctors in Indonesia and 350 of the. Have tested positive for COVID

”dozens” are in hospital and zero have died

just do the maths there 

140,000 and 350 cases. 

Its a very effective vaccine. Get a grip 

27 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

What I am saying is that I would be cautious.  Even vaccines that have been tested for years have side effects.  These were rushed into emergency use.  No one really knows the effects of those particularly long term effects.  I will get one of the vaccines either Pfizer or Moderna.  I might even long term opt for a dose of a second vaccine such as Astra Zeneca or Johnson & Johnson if it is shown that doubling with two different vaccines is beneficial and does not have adverse effects from mixing two completely different technologies.  However, with the latter, I would prefer to let someone else be the first test subjects trying the multiple vaccine regimen rather than me. 

good god, this vaccine shopping is ridiculous 

Why can’t people just leave it to the experts?

6 hours ago, pseudorabies said:

Maybe.  For me it depends on the risk I'm exposed to on a day-to-day basis.  If frequency of infection goes up enough such that my risk goes up signficantly I might consider the Chinese vaccine. Might.

 

My concern right now is that the Chinese vaccine won't afford much protection against the more serious variants, especially Delta.  The mRNA vaccines seem like they do.  If I was to get sinovac now could I get Pfizer/Moderna later?  If so would the immune response be the same, i.e. would I get the same level of variant protection had I skipped the chinese vaccine and waited for the mRNA vaccine (assuming the Thai government ever allows them in)?  Before automatically answering "Well, yes, of course!" google "antigenic original sin".  If the chinese vaccine induces a mediocre response targeting less than optimum eptitopes, further stimulation with a superior vaccine might just induce more of the same.  Or not.  No one knows yet. 

 

So right now I'm waiting.

let me get this straight 

you don’t know how effective the available vaccine is against some variants, therefore you are going to take no vaccine at all?

i mean, seriously?

just think about that. 
 

3 minutes ago, josthomz said:

 

And it proves you must have skipped a lot of maths classes back at school. 

 

As of now, all doctors in Indonesia have been vaccinated, there are 146,000 doctors in Indonesia according to Google. 

 

So far 350 of them have gotten infected. 

 

(350 / 146,000) * 100 = 0.2% (rounded to the nearest tenth)

 

Oh WOW, an astonishing 0.2% of vaccinated doctors have gotten infected..... VaCcInEs UsElEsS, No PoInT In VaCcInAtInG , right? 

this is the point, this is why we are totally screwed. 
 

It’s like talking to kids who can’t do basic math 

4 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

What's the link to your ify site? clearly it was a mistake and they should have prioritised people over 60 and sick

Iffy site? What in gods name are you talking about?

it was https://thailandintervac.com/expatriates and hundreds of people under 60 signed up there and got first jabs last week

there was no mistake, the website clearly stated it was for everyone with a long term visa

I give up, I’m talking to a child 

9 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

He is also under 60 with none of those conditions using that site, you ever see that option? when i checked it was always over 60

There was also a /expatriates site for all expats.

you have had a couple of people explain this to you, but you chose to ignore it 

did you try that one?

how do you think  I, and the couple of hundred other under 60s that registered and got our jabs were able to get appointments?

Just now, Jingthing said:

Baiting post ignored.

You're married to your narrative. Nothing productive can come from further engagement. 

but do you understand the efficacy figures, how they are measured and what they are measured against?

3 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

That sounds promising......got mine 30th June.......(wife had hers today but is was cancelled......guy just sat there saying sorry no vaccines, try tomorrow!!!!)

what vaccine?

did they cancel it while she was waiting?

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Sinovac is objectively inferior to Pfizer for example, particularly with the Delta variant. Also Sinovac provides only a tiny bit of protection upon the first dose, you need to wait until weeks after the second dose to have pretty good protection. 

inferior in what why? In terms of falling severely ill and being hospitalized?

 

you need both doses of all these vaccines, pulling out figures for single doses is pointless as everyone gets 2 doses. 

On 6/20/2021 at 11:59 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Chinese vaccine! Considering the other shoddy products they have foisted on the world, is one surprised?

actually, this article proves that the vaccine is incredibly effective.

”More than 350 doctors and medical professionals have contracted Covid-19 in Indonesia despite the majority of healthcare workers having been immunized with Sinovac”

there are over 40,000 doctors in Indonesia and 350,000 nurses, so 350 out of 390,000 is only 0.09% which is amazing 

“Dozens of these were hospitalized, officials added”

let’s say it’s 3 dozen, 36 out of 390,000 is 0.01%

These articles make me so angry. They mislead people by only talking about 1 dose, it’s really sad to see people mislead like this 

1 hour ago, steve187 said:

i'm with you on this one, been waiting a long time so what's a bit more of a wait to get the better jab in my opinion

What do you mean by “better jab?”

Just now, rabas said:

 

Sinovac, right?

yes, some others were there getting AZ. All farang 

Accepting money and selling dreams. 
 

Why send money to a hospital with no guarantee that they will have any vaccines?