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One moment, please, whilst I switch over to my intellect so that I can make use of it's reasoning function. [great noise of machinery at work] If the intuition is not separate but only a byproduct of meditation, and yet I've never meditated, then why do I possess intuition? [sound of Sunmaster raising himself off the floor after clumsily falling down]

It easily comes off by scrubbing vigorously with a 50-50 solution of lye and battery acid. No worries.

You've sent me off on a tangent, Sunmaster. These are comments Seth has made about Einstein, perhaps one of the greatest scientific minds we are aware of. Seth confirms that Einstein used his intuitions remarkably well. Note to Sunmaster: One of the excerpts makes mention of psychological time (you had mistakenly called it subjective time but had got it right when you first asked me). Of course one of my posts of this morning gave you a link for you to explore psychological time in greater detail at your leisure. I'm sure at least some of your questions will be answered. Though any answers may raise the specter in the form of a whole set of other questions. @VincentRJ You may be interested as well here. Interesting reading, though. Seth covers quiet a bit of science. A number of scientists were so intrigued that they held sessions with Seth on various scientific matters which they personally were involved with. Just a general comment. We have religion, which is primarily intuition oriented. Then we have science, which is primarily oriented around the intellect. Neither has been successful in bringing us to a much more ideal version of the world. (Proof being in the pudding. ) Ideally, the intellect and the intuitions need to be blended. Once either one or the other is shunted aside then an ideal world is not possible. At least that's my opinion. If Einstein had been a better mathematician,7 he would not have made the breakthroughs that he did. He would have been too cowed. Yet even then his mathematics did hold him back, and put a kink in his intuitions. Often you take it for granted that intuitive knowledge is not practical, will not work, or will not give you diagrams. Those same diagrams of which science is so proud, however, can also be barriers, giving you a dead instead of a living knowledge. Therefore, they can be quite impractical. —The "Unknown" Reality: Volume One; Section 3: Session 701 June 3, 1974 In the 45th session for April 20, 1964, I find Seth saying: “Einstein traveled within and trusted his own intuitions, and used his inner senses. He would have discovered much more had he been able to trust his intuitions even more, and able to leave more of the so-called scientific proof of his theories to lesser men, to give himself more inner freedom.” —The "Unknown" Reality: Volume One; Section 3: Session 701 June 3, 1974 The view is truly astounding. I’m glad you live on such a nice corner; and as far as Einstein is concerned, he saw more than he knew he saw, and he was more than he knew he was. We will go into this thoroughly when we return to our discussion of time. —The Early Sessions: Book 1 of The Seth Material; Session 15 January 13, 1964 Einstein was such a person in the sciences. While he was tainted to some extent by conventional sexual beliefs, he still felt his own personhood in such a way that he gladly took advantage of characteristics considered feminine. As a youngster particularly, he rebelled against male-oriented learning and orientation. This rebellion was psychological — that is, he maintained an acceptable male orientation in terms of sexual activity, but he would not restrain his mind and soul with such nonsense. The world felt the result of his great intuitive abilities, and of his devotion. —The Nature of the Psyche: Its Human Expression; Chapter 5: Session 772, April 19, 1976 (In our reality, the first law of thermodynamics tells us that energy [matter] can be changed from one form to another but that it can’t be created or destroyed. Although a chemical change results in a new substance the total weight of the ingredients involved remains practically the same; in such ordinary reactions the amount of matter converted into heat is infinitesimal. In mathematical terms Einstein revealed that mass and energy are equivalent to each other — when one is “destroyed” the other is “created.” —The Nature of Personal Reality; Part One: Chapter 7: Session 632, January 15, 1973 Some of this material will take some getting used to but I wanted to give it to you now; and perhaps you will see how important the use of psychological time can be to you. It comes very close to allowing you the freedom of the spacious present. There is more I will say later along these lines, but your experience with psychological time will to some degree help you to see through the walls of past and future. I realize you will find the statement, there is no beginning or end, almost incomprehensible, because of your own situation on your own plane, and yet this has been known for centuries; and your own Einstein’s theories will help to give the idea scientific respectability. —The Early Sessions: Book 1 of The Seth Material; Session 41 April 6, 1964 Your scientific fields of endeavor may stumble upon the mathematical probabilities involved in such other fields within perhaps a 60-year period, but they will not recognize the significance of the discovery—which will probably be made in an attempt to obtain more data concerning an idea related to Einstein’s special field theory. —The Early Sessions: Book 8 of The Seth Material; Session 410 May 8, 1968 Einstein used the miraculous aspects of his mind. Parts of the mind are almost completely undistorted. The mind is distributed throughout the whole physical body. The mind builds up about it the physical camouflages necessary for existence on your physical plane. The mind receives data from the inner senses and forms the camouflage necessary. The mind unconsciously or unself-consciously deals with the basic laws according to the camouflage effect that is vital for survival on your physical plane. The mind is the tool which must be used. —The Early Sessions: Book 1 of The Seth Material; Session 19 January 27, 1964

Well, you're not saying it very well then. You see, Vince, I can't help but poke fun at my friend the Sunmaster. He's got that big, red "X" painted on his back but doesn't know it.

"Don't bogart that joint, my friend, and pass it over to me." I assume you've read some of the previous posts in which, at least a few of us, agreed that to prevent any discussion of this subject matter from sliding into too much seriousness and/or even pissing contests that the cure would be to remember that there's a humourous side to everything and so an injection of laughter via poking fun at another is one aspect of the cure. I have to say yours is a remarkable post, and a welcome one. Your points are well taken and appreciated. At least by me. (The heart reaction is indeed mine in case you want to accuse someone. ) It's just that you science types . . . . Old habits die hard.

Well, since I don't meditate I cannot comment for I lack any reference. But I will say that intuition, at least as I experience it, doesn't always come in spurts of flashes. It can last all morning for me in great blocks of time. I have no doubt, and would never argue against, meditation being an avenue and having it's unique benefits. But then again, there is no one road that leads to a destination. And I would not believe anyone if they were to tell me that there is only a single road, whether it be meditation or some other process. Or, put differently, as it is commonly said in the U.S., there's more than one way to skin a cat. I would not be one to tell others that the only way to "know" is via meditation. It's one path of many and each path affords it's unique advantages. But to claim that meditation is the only path it then, by implication, unfairly discounts any other path.

Well, as I've said, I've been toying with the idea of walking through the material on CUs as there is much that is associated which, again at least for me, brings a number of important concepts together to form a clear and more expansive picture. Again, too, I'll say that I strongly object to your idea that meditating, for the sole purpose of connecting with your greater self, or with the One, is the only real solution to the problem of understanding our present, corporeal selves and our seeming singular objective reality. It must be remembered and realised, too, that allowing one's consciousness the mobility to go outside of itself, outside of our physical reality, that is, carries the implication that there are an infinite number of realities for our consciousness to "travel" to. There is no single destination, therefore. Which other reality do you wish to explore? Now perhaps you'll object to my quoting sections of the Seth material but here again we have our differences. Quoting directly has it's benefits. At least I recognise the benefits it offers. Would you claim that there are no benefits but rather only hindrances? Erm, I don''t think you'd make such an admission. So bear with me, despite your uncontrollable urge to cringe. I will be commenting extensively . . . putting the material in my own words . . . so that should be of some relief to you. That way your eyes could glaze over all of the quotes and just refocus whenever my comments appear. I'll begin in another post starting at the top. I've actually quoted already from the top in one of my recent previous posts so I'll repost those quotes, along with my comments, in order to preserve the flow of the material. I'll continue until that time, if it comes at all, when the howls of objection begin to wake up my neighbors. This material will cover the rest of your post from which I cut only the initial two lines.

Good morning, Sunmaster. Punching the clock a bit late this morning? Coffee is served. Again, regarding the tasty delightful pastries, one for you and two for me.

Far be it from me to get myself into hot water for not answering questions. " This will keep you busy for a while." 😉 Not at all. I'll just turn the tables on you and keep you busy for awhile. https://nowdictation.com/q/psychological+time/ No, I haven't made it a point yet to practice it.

@Sunmaster Just a thought. Not meant to apply it to you in anyway. Just a thought to share. Our reality is often referred to as an illusion. One definition of the word , which definition is varied, means "not real." And so it is that many then conclude that our reality isn't real at all. In that way it tends to invalidate our reality. Camouflage is a much better term for it's definition does not invalidate our reality. It has a meaning that cannot be so easily misconstrued. Ours is a camouflage reality which means that it is a representation of something else but quite real and valid in itself. As a representation of something greater it is, however, not less than. That is my intuitive self speaking. Of course with it's brother intellect. But it's not a result of pure intellect.

4:53 AM. Got to work a few minutes before our start time. You up yet? ". . . compared to intellectual knowledge alone?" You forgot intuitive knowledge. Intuition is direct knowledge. It is the means by which we receive inner information directly. That inner information is direct knowledge. Seth has always said that we are muscle bound intellectually and the ideal would be a blending of the intellect and intuition. I, for instance, use both and rely on intuition more than you could imagine. Since we have developed our intellects as we have (science is an indication) to the exclusion of our intuitions (science is an indication) I tend to relate to people by appealing strictly to their intellects. Intuitive knowledge is often frowned upon as being unreliable as it can't be "proven." You seem to be under the impression that direct knowledge via meditation is the only way to perceive our reality "correctly," or in a "true" sense. On that point I strongly disagree. Our reality, whilst it is a camouflage reality where inner reality is translated into three dimensional form, or at least as much of it that can be translated into that limited medium, still contains those truths which allow us to discern the greater truth of ourselves and our reality. Hasn't it been said often enough that the evidence of our greater selves and of our greater reality is everywhere to be found in our world? This is a point that I believe you fail to see. You seem to think that the only way one can achieve perceiving the truth of ourselves and our reality is strictly through meditation and connecting with our "real" self. The phony one, which is Sunmaster, can't possibly come to any real conclusions of our true nature via experiencing and interacting with the "illusion" of physical reality. Seth once said, showing just how humble he was, that "you could learn more by observing the animals than you could from reading my books." Of course one would need to interpret their observations properly. Or, perhaps more accurately, one would need to know what to look for, or what to observe. One would need to be able to "read" the animals. Just a brief example. The profession of metal stamping is one where you take a flat sheet of steel and via a set of operations, involving either cutting or forming, produce a shaped part. Oftentimes this is accomplished using a tool called a progressive die. The strip of flat steel is fed through the tool in increments, each station in the tool performing a specific operation. This produces what we call a "strip." The strip, when run through the entire tool, has an instance of each operation in succession. Now when there is a problem resulting in an out of spec part then a trained tool & die maker will cut the strip out of the tool and "read" it. For within that strip are the clues which show where the problem lies. Anyone untrained in this profession would look at the strip and, not knowing what to look for, would be unable to "read" the obvious clues. Your point of reading versus experiencing is valid and true. But a bit misleading in the sense that all of your examples involve physical experience. Granted that the physical experience then also has attached to it the subjective experience produced by the physical action. Although, reading a handbook, such as Seth, doesn't necessarily involve physical experience. It largely involves reading about and then playing yourself with mental experience. And that playing results in direct experience. "Ps: A yes or no answer is perfectly fine." 😁 To your chagrin I rarely give yes or no answers. Because too often yes or no answers are wholly insufficient and can also result in "reading" into them much that shouldn't be "read" into them.

Not psychic. I allow my outer ego to have a two way flow of information so I'm receiving information from my inner ego as well. No blockages. Not all information comes from this world, ya know. 666 That should net you quite a bit as long as you sign on the dotted line.

Odd. As I say, it's a mixture on my end. Just started this afternoon. It was fine this morning. Every other poster's emoticons appear as images but none of mine. I'm on Firefox so I thought perhaps it's the browser. So I open it up on Chrome and now all emoticons appear as text. My reality is losing it's stability.

Oh, so you gave RP a laugh reaction but not me. Okay. Does he bring his teacher an apple when he comes to class? Teacher's pet?

Why RP, you never told me you had a warped sense of humour like me. I've gotta hand it to ya, you've got talent. I like it. I like it a lot. A brother in laughter. I haven't had a reply from Sunmaster yet as to how they're appearing on his end. Perhaps he's still meditating on it.

Now this is an interesting story. Some back story first. My daughter has a best friend in school since KG1 and she's now in grade 5. So 8 years now. They share the same birthday. My wife and this girl's mother have hit it off after KG2 and spend a lot of time with each other. They've grown very close. They're both Isaan. I'll call the mother Dao. Some back story on Dao now. She plays the lottery all the time. And I've never seen someone win significant amounts as regularly as she does. By God, that women has her ducks aligned in a perfect row. Her horses of belief, emotion, imagination, and expectation are all facing in the direction and they're going at a gallop. My wife, on the other hand, plays as well but as far as the lottery goes I can say about my wife that if it weren't for bad luck she'd have no luck at all. My wife and Dao often buy each other lottery tickets. Sometimes the cost is paid back and sometimes it's gifted. Going both ways, of course. So, the other day was Children's Day. My wife and daughter went together with Dao and her daughter to a wat. The next day Dao bought 500 baht of underground lottery tickets and gifted some to my wife. And then Dao had a dream that night. In the dream there was a Buddhist figure, I'm not sure what you call them but they look like warriors of sorts. The one that was in Dao's dream was the one that is supposed to be 40+ years old. At least that's what age his likeness appears to be. He didn't appear visually in Dao's dream but she said it was like a voice coming out of the sky. And the voice asked her whether if she won the lottery would she share it with the friend she went to the wat with. And Dao replied in her dream, "Sure." The voice asked a second time and Dao replied the same. End of dream. Lo and behold Dao won 200,000+. And then the dream came back to her. She was a bit puzzled at first as to which friend she was to share her winnings with. And then it dawned on her that it was my wife she had gone to the wat with. And so she's already today transferred into my wife's account 45,000 baht. One of the tickets that Dao had gifted to my wife was a winner for 4,500 baht. And so I asked my wife how much she was going to transfer into my account. She then kicked me like a dog. She then went out shopping this morning after dropping our daughter off at school and came home presenting me with a high pressure car wash water pump. She then told me I needed to have the truck ready by early afternoon as she was leaving early to pick my daughter up from school. I took the dog fetal position.

Are my emoticons appearing as images or text? It's a mixture on my end. I rebooted but it still persists. Let me know, please.

No. No No! Not a single comment? What about Seth's CUs as the indivisible building blocks of all consciousness? How does that effect your theory of us humans as mere finger puppets to entertain our greater self? Does that analogy still hold for you? Actually, it reminds me of the sentiment many have of God creating man, setting him free to then only test everyone's fealty to him and asking, "Is that it?" Seems that God's ego needs stroking. Which is bad but worse is the idea you put forth that we're mere entertainment for our greater selves to relieve them of their boredom. Now that's downright cruel. What about our physical selves having independence? The CUs do. And we are a gestalt consciousness comprised of them. How does Seth's explanation of CUs comport with what you've learned? Do they fit? In your travels have you learned something similar but expressed differently? How about . . . . I could go on with questions. Humourous Tippers exiting stage left and Serious Tippers taking center stage.

Well now, have you any comment on any of this? After all, I did spend 4 hours 34 minutes and 23 seconds composing this post. Got up very early again this morning, too. Despite my wife asking me to lay in bed with her just a little while longer. I don't want to feel that I missed out this morning for nothing.

I have to say that upon reading this the first thought that popped into my head was that you had a reincarnational existence as a Puritan. Just one question, though . . . what's excessive? That's gotta be a tough one to answer.

Don't forget to leave your mailing address for your family. My ego thanks you. Unfortunately there's no <whipping> emoticon for yours.

Showing off your ignorance?

Are you admitting to having a tryst? Sinner!! And your greater self didn't reject you for your impurity? Good luck connecting with your greater self now after your drunken escapade this past New Year's Eve. Now that we've swept the eggshells away and understand each other, I can now tell you a deep secret. Someone once confided to me that they thought you were a cheap Charlie in passing out deserved reactions.

Like I said, I had 120+ kilo bear down on my lithe 61+ kilo frame, pounded into kitty litter with a concrete floor as padding, and I immediately jumped up and shook it off. Nah, you don't weigh that much. Do you?

Man, between you and RP you boys are drubbing my ar$e today. The thanks I get . . . In all seriousness, though, you're analogy is invalid. It violates the "two's company, three's a crowd" rule. Sorry, Sunmaster.