caribbeanman

These are good news , hope all the members who really want the PR can get it this time, good luck to you guys

Keep it civil guys. Remember the forum rules:

In using Thai Visa I agree:

1) To respect fellow members.

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caribbeanman--#75

Because majority of TVF posters are seemingly anti government, isn't it telling you something, there are a vast lot of different posters from many nationalities here, and to your way of thinking along with a smuttering of others think most are ganging together. WRONG, to my mind posters are usually seeing what is unfolding in LOS, looking at the problems head on and constructive criticism is healthy, my attitude is calling a spade a spade-being honest,open about subjects. If you cannot see there is something horribly wrong here, I dont understand. Trying to find the good points from this regime-and it is getting there-is difficult.

You are quite entitled to Have Your Say........BUT if all is good here say it, not get back at posters who think it's wrong.

The funny thing is that i still have said nothing, and still you guys are putting words in my mouth that i have said not, so let's make a point clear, i don't care about Thai politics, i think that it is up to Thai people to find solutions for their owns problems, and yes , if Thaksin comes back, i don't care, if he stays in Dubai i don't care, the only to things that i care about are: my family and my business the rest.........., for me this forum is just a joke, a place to get fun, nothing more

The only thing you care about is your family and business-well thats not a bad thing, a little self centered.

You also do not care about politics here, you will when it affects your business SURE. How crazy for you to comment on TVF as just a joke, it's a source of learning, exchanging views, and of course there are some extreme posters, but in general it's informative.

Thailand has to sort it's own problems, agreed but that could affect you. If you think TVF is such a joke, don't post surely you could use the valuable time with your business, instead of your short remarks about posters comments, that tend to be-in your words "" less fertile'' The Thaksin family related matters are important if you live here, especially for business posters.

I live here , i am a Thai citizen as well, and i don't care if Thaksin comes or not , as i told you, what i care about is if people has jobs , food and opportunities, the rest , i don't care, and please , take care of your own business , i know very well what i am doing, and as i told you this forum is a joke, and you can think whatever you like

caribbeanman--#75

Because majority of TVF posters are seemingly anti government, isn't it telling you something, there are a vast lot of different posters from many nationalities here, and to your way of thinking along with a smuttering of others think most are ganging together. WRONG, to my mind posters are usually seeing what is unfolding in LOS, looking at the problems head on and constructive criticism is healthy, my attitude is calling a spade a spade-being honest,open about subjects. If you cannot see there is something horribly wrong here, I dont understand. Trying to find the good points from this regime-and it is getting there-is difficult.

You are quite entitled to Have Your Say........BUT if all is good here say it, not get back at posters who think it's wrong.

The funny thing is that i still have said nothing, and still you guys are putting words in my mouth that i have said not, so let's make a point clear, i don't care about Thai politics, i think that it is up to Thai people to find solutions for their owns problems, and yes , if Thaksin comes back, i don't care, if he stays in Dubai i don't care, the only to things that i care about are: my family and my business the rest.........., for me this forum is just a joke, a place to get fun, nothing more

He didn't say "do", he said "should", and the moment people simply accept them getting away with it, and the moment people like you, mock others for expecting that they shouldn't be allowed to, is the moment when things get even worse.

Hahahhahhahahhahhahhahaha, wow, many of the members of this forum have a real fertile imagination

Other members specialise in trotting out silly meaningless one-liners with smilies.

Agree with you,rixaflex, it's a pity some minority on forum were not brought up to know right and wrong, fertile imagination Ha Ha, caribeanman ...........at some time in your life you have taken the wrong turning==if you think that this superman should return--and also sounds like your not joking...amazing, try another medicine.

It seems that you guys can stop not to put thoughts and words in other peoples brains and mouths, respectively

he will be back and do no time in prision , any Democratic leader ousted in a Coup should have that right. All western countires have the democracy so why not thiland. i for one along with millions of thais will be happy he has his passport back and does return home. the nation is so biased, must have Murdochs infulence in there some where.

Democratic leaders that break the law still should go to jail.

Hahahahahahahahhahahhahah, please don't be naive.

He didn't say "do", he said "should", and the moment people simply accept them getting away with it, and the moment people like you, mock others for expecting that they shouldn't be allowed to, is the moment when things get even worse.

Hahahhahhahahhahhahhahaha, wow, many of the members of this forum have a real fertile imagination

he will be back and do no time in prision , any Democratic leader ousted in a Coup should have that right. All western countires have the democracy so why not thiland. i for one along with millions of thais will be happy he has his passport back and does return home. the nation is so biased, must have Murdochs infulence in there some where.

Democratic leaders that break the law still should go to jail.

Hahahahahahahahhahahhahah, please don't be naive.

Impeached for helping out in the flood? Is that the essence of this?

The essence is taking reliefs meant for everyone to help some "special individual". To me that is very wrong.

Thank you. To me, you are very right.

Yes you are very right, but as usual the IQ level of many of the members of this forum is toooooooooooooo low to understand that

Today's such an important day, a day that we all should celebrate with our family , and people in this forum is still talking about Thaksin???

ทรงพระเจริญ!!

Hope his majesty recover his health as soon as possible and that G-d bless him with many more years of life!!!

They should have done this long ago, no country should deprive their citizens from their nationality , ID or passport cuz governments easily could use this as a political weapon , that's why i don't understand how so many countries call themselves democracies and still they have this kind of laws. :jap:

Why are we discussing this? It is up to the Thais what the want. This forum has been 95% dead wrong and so far out of tough what the Thais want.

Yes indeed, you r so dam_n right!!!

And exactly how many posts have you made on this topic so far....about a dozen I'd reckon..most of it unsubstantiated

I really will not waste my time with you. Since i've been in this forum, must of time, the most of the posters have been so dam_n wrong about almost anything relating with Thai politics that i've arrive to the conclusion that there is not point in debating with you, so you all have a good day i'll go back to my reading , an excellent book: "Lolita" by Vladimir Nabokov

They should have done this long ago, no country should deprive their citizens from their nationality , ID or passport cuz governments easily could use this as a political weapon , that's why i don't understand how so many countries call themselves democracies and still they have this kind of laws. :jap:

Why are we discussing this? It is up to the Thais what the want. This forum has been 95% dead wrong and so far out of tough what the Thais want.

Yes indeed, you r so dam_n right!!!

Don't understand about diplomatic passport. How would he ever be entitled to one. He isn't a diplomat and probably never could be as convicted felon on the run....

It seems to be a normal courtesy here, for former-PMs to be given a diplomatic-passport, of course normally they wouldn't also be convicted felons on-the-run.

They should have done this long ago, no country should deprive their citizens from their nationality , ID or passport cuz governments easily could use this as a political weapon , that's why i don't understand how so many countries call themselves democracies and still they have this kind of laws. :jap:

I agree with you but how many of the hill tribe / ethnic groups in the border regions, who are born and bred on Thai soil and whsoe families have lived here for generations still find themselves with very little in terms of paper work proving they are Thai. This has been ongoing for years and still their children are refused education, basic health care etc.

Not all Thais are born equal, but at least the hill-tribes form a convenient supply of cheap-labour, and it only costs an alleged-20k per-person to 'facilitate' obtaining the proper paperwork. A nice little earner, and long has been so.

Yes, i know that, that's why i think the law regarding to who is can get Thai citizenship and who not ,should be change, i know many people that has been born in this country, that only speak Thai , that have known nothing but Thailand and still they can't get the citizenship, it's a very sad situation.

it doesn't matter if you have been convicted or not your government should have no authority to cancel your passport, even if you are convicted , if you are convicted they should prevent you from leaving the country, an if you still can run away then they should use Interpol or something , but they should not touch you citizenship at all and i say this not cuz i support Thaksin i say it just cuz is my view and in particular case of K. Thaksin there is a lot of political motivated s... involved

A passport is not a right, its a privilage and a passport is a goverments property not an indivduals, so a specific goverment can do what they please with someones passport.

Further getting your passport revokes does not infer you have lost your citizenship, these are two completely different topics.

Maybe here in Thailand is like you say, but in my country , a passport is not a privilege, its a right of every single citizen, and is not property of the government is property of the holder and revoking your passport obviously is a form of hurting or limiting your citizenship, cuz is the same that if you are a citizen and the government deprive you from your ID

You might want to check the last page of your passport. I'll wager it can be revoked if say you are convicted of a felony in a country other than your own. Your government has a reputation to keep up.

of which one of them??? the passport that use the most in the last page only says that it is valid for 6 years and etc, nothing about revoke it.

They should have done this long ago, no country should deprive their citizens from their nationality , ID or passport cuz governments easily could use this as a political weapon , that's why i don't understand how so many countries call themselves democracies and still they have this kind of laws. :jap:

Thaksin was not deprived of his Thai nationality. Passports are government property that can be issued or cancelled at government discretion. Cancellation of a passport is not synonymous with revocation of citizenship. You will find that many countries cancel or refuse to renew the passports of convicted criminals on the run. The US government cancelled Bobby Fischer's passport in 2004 which meant he was detained in Japan for 7 months for not having a valid passport until Iceland granted him citizenship and he was deported there. Even though he never got another US passport, Bobby Fischer remained a US citizen until he died.

You just brought an excellent example, the US government did that based only in political motivated crap,,,,so the poor guy must to get another country's citizenship to save his life and his freedom, that's one of the many reasons that i renounced to my US citizenship, cuz i just don't want any government controlling me or telling me what to do.......

They should have done this long ago, no country should deprive their citizens from their nationality , ID or passport cuz governments easily could use this as a political weapon , that's why i don't understand how so many countries call themselves democracies and still they have this kind of laws. :jap:

No... it must be very undemocratic to cancel the passports of convicted felons.

it doesn't matter if you have been convicted or not your government should have no authority to cancel your passport, even if you are convicted , if you are convicted they should prevent you from leaving the country, an if you still can run away then they should use Interpol or something , but they should not touch you citizenship at all and i say this not cuz i support Thaksin i say it just cuz is my view and in particular case of K. Thaksin there is a lot of political motivated s... involved

Government has every authority to cancel your passport since they are the ones who issue it. Why should you have a passport making it easy to leave the country if you are convicted to prison? What could you possibly need it for?

Government has the authority that people give to them , my whole point is just that no government should have the authority to revoke passports ,citizenship etc, they issue a passport not as a give ,but as a service that you, as a citizen are entitle to receive, if you have been convicted by a impartial court, and they let you run away then they can issue a warrant for your arrest with the Interpol,right???

You obviously don't know what you are talking about, they can revoke his passport as many times as the which still he can travel and go anywhere he wants cuz he has another citizenship.

Not talking about citizenships - we are talking about whether the Thai government was right to revoke his passport following his conviction. The Thai government can do nothing about other citizenships (which he acquired after the event anyway).

The point being that "yes" they were to evoke and "no" they are wrong to reissue whilst the conviction is outstanding.

That's just your view on it

it doesn't matter if you have been convicted or not your government should have no authority to cancel your passport, even if you are convicted , if you are convicted they should prevent you from leaving the country, an if you still can run away then they should use Interpol or something , but they should not touch you citizenship at all and i say this not cuz i support Thaksin i say it just cuz is my view and in particular case of K. Thaksin there is a lot of political motivated s... involved

A passport is not a right, its a privilage and a passport is a goverments property not an indivduals, so a specific goverment can do what they please with someones passport.

Further getting your passport revokes does not infer you have lost your citizenship, these are two completely different topics.

Maybe here in Thailand is like you say, but in my country , a passport is not a privilege, its a right of every single citizen, and is not property of the government is property of the holder and revoking your passport obviously is a form of hurting or limiting your citizenship, cuz is the same that if you are a citizen and the government deprive you from your ID

They should have done this long ago, no country should deprive their citizens from their nationality , ID or passport cuz governments easily could use this as a political weapon , that's why i don't understand how so many countries call themselves democracies and still they have this kind of laws. :jap:

No... it must be very undemocratic to cancel the passports of convicted felons.

it doesn't matter if you have been convicted or not your government should have no authority to cancel your passport, even if you are convicted , if you are convicted they should prevent you from leaving the country, an if you still can run away then they should use Interpol or something , but they should not touch you citizenship at all and i say this not cuz i support Thaksin i say it just cuz is my view and in particular case of K. Thaksin there is a lot of political motivated s... involved

Revoking the passport is the best way to prevent someone from traveling. Doing so does not affect citizenship - khun Thaksin is still a Thai.

You obviously don't know what you are talking about, they can revoke his passport as many times as the which still he can travel and go anywhere he wants cuz he has another citizenship.

Just to clarify one point: To take away someone's passport does not mean his nationality is taken away. Under Thai law, the passport is just a traveling document.

Consequently, to give Thaksin his passport back, has no meaning at all. That is, if we talk about the normal Thai passport.

Now the diplomatic passport, that's something else ...

Exactly, that's my point:)

They should have done this long ago, no country should deprive their citizens from their nationality , ID or passport cuz governments easily could use this as a political weapon , that's why i don't understand how so many countries call themselves democracies and still they have this kind of laws. :jap:

It's not so bad as Thaksin still has not been deprived of his nationality nor citizenship nor passport with Montenegro.

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here the problem is how many passports he has ,the problem is that he has been deprived from his ordinary Thai passport, here in Thailand lots of people has even three different passport, so obviously , that doesn't matter at all

They should have done this long ago, no country should deprive their citizens from their nationality , ID or passport cuz governments easily could use this as a political weapon , that's why i don't understand how so many countries call themselves democracies and still they have this kind of laws. :jap:

No... it must be very undemocratic to cancel the passports of convicted felons.

it doesn't matter if you have been convicted or not your government should have no authority to cancel your passport, even if you are convicted , if you are convicted they should prevent you from leaving the country, an if you still can run away then they should use Interpol or something , but they should not touch you citizenship at all and i say this not cuz i support Thaksin i say it just cuz is my view and in particular case of K. Thaksin there is a lot of political motivated s... involved

They should have done this long ago, no country should deprive their citizens from their nationality , ID or passport cuz governments easily could use this as a political weapon , that's why i don't understand how so many countries call themselves democracies and still they have this kind of laws. :jap:

YOU NEED PERMANENT RESIDENCE NOT FOR GETTING THAI CITIZENSHIP. After you get marry you gou to your Amper office an apply for a for a tabien baan for foreigner, for getting that documente they will ask you for a birth certificate, tabien somrot, the tabien baan for you wife , some photos and i remember not what else, after getting your tabien baan( teh yellow one) you need to get a job here , pay taxes , have a baby and then wait for 5 years and after that you can apply for Thai ctizenship, but you need to earn at least 40000 bat/month otherwise you will get citizenship not, that was the way in which i got it, and i can tell you that getting Thai citizenship is more more easier that getting permanent residence, ahhh i almost forgot it , you must to learn to speak thai(read and write) pretty well too, good luck!

My company already notified me that i will departure to japan next week Yesssssssssss!!!!!!

What I really miss is a dark beer, dark beer has good antioxidant properties, so is good stuff, do these Chinese chaps do a dark beer?

yes, they do, well at least in china they produce it