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This is a battle of good vs evil
I think my side will win
Yes, it is unfortunate that in the case of Iraq it appears that evil will win.
I pity the american masses who have been blinded by the present administrations propaganda.
The majority of americans actually beleive that Iraq was responsible for 911 !
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Islam, so Pieceful
Arms, Legs, heads
yes, i would be inclined to agree with you.
the number of innocent people killed by muslims is nothing compared to the 100,000 civilians killed by christians in iraq.
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quote from CNN.
BANGKOK, Thailand -- Two bombs have rocked markets in southern Thailand hours before Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra is set to address the nation on the deaths of 85 protesters.
The bombs, which hit the Muslim-dominated province of Yala on Friday, wounded 20 people, among them 12 police.
One of the bombs went off as police were cleaning up the remnants of the first blast, which struck 40 minutes earlier.
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In fact it appears that there will only be military/police targets along with some public buildings.
See Pulo's latest statement quoted at
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?sh...ic=19324&st=295
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[Everywhere I've been they have allways been at the center violence. My unncle was in the French Foriegn Legion. He is 73 now, was wounded three times by them in Tangiers and Algeria.
Yeah , you are right , those ###### muslims had no right at all to try to kick the french out of their countries.
They should ofcourse have remained contented with being ruled by foreigners.
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New statistics according to PULO.
Tak Bai Tragedy 25 Oct 2004
Bodies killed by gun found on the ground: 6 persons
Killed in the evening during the transportation to the military camp in Pattani: 78 persons
Died in the hospital: 1 person
Pushed into the river and killed: c:a 35 persons
Bodies found in the river 29 oct 2004: 18 persons
Under Thai military custody: 1,298 persons
Injured: 730 persons
Missing: 255 persons
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You won't live long enough to be fit to kiss his boots!
Totally of her rocker now !
Threatening people on this forum !
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[i tried for months to adopt a little Afgfhan girl to give her a better life, and if she was still alive I would still be trying.
Luckily for her you failed in that attempt Kate , as you well know there are reasons why your government does not allow people like you to adopt.
Only a filthy scum paedophile would even think such thoughts about my intentions.
Seek psychiatric counselling, PERVERT.
It's not me who is spewing hatred in every posting , you should examine what you have written.
Your posts hardly indicate that you are capeable of the tolerance that every parent must have.
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Pulo appears to be toning down their rhetoric .
excerpt from pulo's site
After the massacre in Tak Bai, Narathiwat, Thai policemen and military officers are the main and only targets of the peole attacks. Please double check that you are not standing or sitting near them nor visiting their offices. Leave the suspected places immediately.Hat Yai Railway Station has been bombed at least 3 times before. If you are planning to travel to Malaysia from Bangkok, be wise and do not use the rout. The city of Hat Yai is the most dangerous place in Thailand.
Be informed that the coming operations are targetting for Thai policemen and soldiers only. The operations will be performed by Patani liberation movements that are not under our control. Therefore, we are not responsible for the damages or lost after this warning.
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Sorry to butt in guys but give katyusha some slack. At least she's straightforward
and doesn't need to debate until the end of time before taking action.
That's precisely the point , she seems to be incapeable of any constructive thought .
Her solution to any problem appears to involve violence in one form or another.
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[i tried for months to adopt a little Afgfhan girl to give her a better life, and if she was still alive I would still be trying.
Luckily for her you failed in that attempt Kate , as you well know there are reasons why your government does not allow people like you to adopt.
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Katy appears to be a very mixed up .... girl ????
I do not want to have any kids as I feel that the world just isn't a good place to bring kids up anymoreIf everyone felt the same then the human race would become extinct in one generation.
I would like to experience natural childbirth before I'm too old. Sadly the scales are weighted against me. Copulation with a guy is just about out of the question, and government restrictions make IVF extremely difficult for women like me.
I'm considered perfect to fight and possiby die for my country, but I cannot even adopt a child while I live in Australia.
A de facto "village" adoption in a third world country is one way out, but it would make me an outcast, unable to return to my own country with my child.
Dad thinks IVF in Europe and childbirth in Australia is the best legal solution. He's probably right.
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Certainly, there should be a probe, and those police who mistreated should be punished,
Punished only if the mistreatment was deliberate SoCal.
I don't think it WAS deliberate.
If just one soldier thought an arrestee was in danger of being suffocated due to the mode of transport, I'm sure he would have spoken up.
Whether or not you consider a few kicks and a clouts with rifle butts "mistreatment" or not is another matter altogether.
Would'nt have thought that you were that naive Katy !
Any explanation as to how the arrestees managed to break their own necks ?
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For sure the govt needs to reach out, but doubt that taking all the blame does anything to repair the situation as it stands. Personaly, doubt they have the strength, but our (westerners) pointing fingers at any one group certainly doesn't help. They are both wrong, and both should take accountability.
I agree that both should take responsibility but in this case we can realistically only hope for the stronger part to do so.
The radicals who initiated the protest will loose all influence if they take any share in the responsibilty.Therefore this is something which will not happen.
But there is a possibility of conciliatory words from religious leaders .
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Stroll, I am trying to look at it from both perspectives.
One must be fair to the police that they were facing an angry mob of 2,000, property was destroyed, and 14 officers injured before it was all over.
I can bet these guys were pissed, not to mention the past tension as well.
Whether stupid, or angry, these poor muslims should not have been treated this way, but it was not without cause. Just cause? No, but stick your hand in a bee hive, and don't bitch when you get bit.
Certainly, there should be a probe, and those police who mistreated should be punished, but the Muslims are not without fault, need not declare themselves martytrs, and need not flow rivers of blood.
Both sides must accept responsibility. For god sakes, this riot started because they wanted six terrorists released.
Cooler heads must pervail, or you will have your river of blood. Two rivers.
PS- thanks for telling me for once I was right. Between that and the Red Socks, I can die in peace.
Afraid it is to late to limit any further escalation.
The instigators of the protest probably got exactly what they hoped for and will doubtless now be recruiting in ever increasing numbers.
The only way to stop an escalation now appears to be an official apology from Thaksin and the armed forces along with prosecution of the commanding officers and initiation of a dialogue with the political leaders in Patani.
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Thailand is not the west.
Are you that obtuse?
The same basic standards of humanity applies throughout the world.
The member countries of the UN have signed the declaration of human rights.
Okay, now it's debatable if you are obtuse, or simply naive.
Same level of humanity throughout the world.
Travel much?
Yes I do.
Spent about 25 years abroad in different countries, about half of it in Asia.
No we do not have the same level of humanity throughout the world .
How do you propose that can be achieved ? By accepting the present situation ?
It's only by demanding that the same levels apply that developing nations will gradually raise their standards.
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No members of the armed forces was shot , a mere 6 were injured if I remember correctly.
Try 14, and my bet is that if you want fair treatment from the Thai police/military, that number better be 0.
I think we are misunderstanding each other,NO I do not expect much more from the thai armed forces , but that does not prevent me from stating that what they did was wrong.
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Thailand is not the west.
Are you that obtuse?
does that make it right to kill and torture people ?
just because they are <deleted> ?
The same basic standards of humanity applies throughout the world.
The member countries of the UN have signed the declaration of human rights.
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Are you that obtuse?
He Guran, pot-bellied chief of pygmy Bandar.
Not only obtuse, also obese.
yes , resorting to insults.
my guess was right. you are obviously of a lesser intellect.
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I missed the part about peaceful protesters.
The answer to your question, is if the police or soldier felt threatened by this mob, then they had every right to open fire.
There were 2,000 in the mob. How many police/soldier?
I am not sure about the strength of the police/army force.
But it was obviously large enough to take 1300 prisoners out of the total of 2000 protestors.
They can therefore not been in any imminent danger.
No members of the armed forces was shot , a mere 6 were injured if I remember correctly.
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Is aiming a gun at a protestor and firing not deliberate misttreatment ?
Your pygmy nick matches your brain power.
Typical response , have seen it before from american soldiers in several countries.
It is a shame that the US army has such low recruitment standards.
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If 100 farang acted in a similar manner, and 4 died due to mistreatment of authorities you would wring your hands and say that the stupid farang got what they had comming. TIT.
For some reason Muslims get a pass to do whatever they ###### well want, and they must be given every protection under the law.
This is the problem, not only in Thailand, but throughout the Middle East.
Both sides must take accountability if you are ever to have peace.
If this forum is any indicator of the outside world, then I fear for the world indeed.
The same has happened in the west numerous times and always received condemnation due to the use of excessive force by police/army.
It is always the representatives of the state who are to blame in situations like these.
The protesting youths have not been trained in crowd control etc and are easily
manipulated by a few.
The police/army however have the training and experience of situations such as this and know how to prevent unwanton blodshed.
It is therefore that they are entirely to blame for the outcome of the demonstration.
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I suppose being so godlike and infallible yourself makes it hard for you to believe that the soldiers you regard as brainwashed zombie killing machines may have made mistakes and that those deaths were not the result of deliberate mistreatment.
Is aiming a gun at a protestor and firing not deliberate misttreatment ?
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But its the way they do it - random attacks against 13 yr old monks and elderly civilians not just people that could be claimed to represent the government such as policemen. Must be about 200 such attacks in the last 12 months or so. Quite unjustified and so brutal.
Difficult for us to to tell exactly which attacks are due to 'normal' criminal activities and which are politically motivated.
Am sure that Islamic extremists are routinely blamed.
What exactly are they expecting to achieve. Have they really exhausted peaceful means of protest if they have legitimate grievances. I don't recall seeing these people presenting petitions to parliament. Are they really so subjugated. They are free to build their mosques and go about their lives. Try getting permission to build a church in an Islamic country.Thaksin made sure that the dialogue that existed before has ceased, what do you think he will do with a petition ?
Mosques exists in Patani as do churches in Malaysia and many other Islamic countries including Iraq.
Religious freedom is not something which is limited to christian countries, likewise the lack of it is not limited to muslim countries.
Religious freedom tends to go hand in hand with political freedom , it is mainly in the developing nations where both are restricted.
This is not about subjugation. It is a religiously motivated and internationally supported attempt to destabilise an 'infidel' country in this case Thailand. Do you seriously imagine for a moment that if these people were given independence they would set up some shining example of a peaceful moderate Islamic country.The muslims in Patani are said to be moderate , there has however been an independence movement which has existed since the subjugation in 1906.
The Patani's were for example promised independence by the Brits in return for their assistance in fighting the Japs/Thai's.
Their fellow Malays in Malaysia are moderate, why should the Patani go along a different path after independence ?
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So who is Islam ?
algeria ? morocco ? libya ? egypt ? jordan ? lebanon ? iran ? iraq ? afghanistan?
sudan ? turkey ? syria ? malaysia ? pakistan ? indonesia ? nigera ?
Should bush attack them all because of the actions of a few individuals from Saudi Arabia ?
BTW
CIA reports now state that there is no evidence linking Iraq with Al Queda .
beleive the CIA or not ?