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Now that I can post pics, here is the Cruze I test drove

For comparison, I took this picture of the Civic today. They had one at Central. The 80's called. They want their car back.

And here is a Taxi Cruze. I've seen 2 already

Thank you its not an Australian car, its a car developed by Daewoo aka GM Korea and refined by Opel in Germany. The Cruze destined for Australia was built in South Korea until recently, only now is it actually being produced in Australia. Its not an Australian car as it wasnt developed in Australia for Australian conditions except some minor adjustments to the ECU for emissions and the suspension because Australain roads are crap compared with the rest of the West. The only cars that currently fit that bill are the Ford Territory, Holden Commodore and its variants, Ford Falcon and its variants and thats pretty much it.

I was making the point that it is not a car developed by Holden. Even though it is assembled in Australia now its just putting the parts together that have been sourced from South Korea.

ThaiCruze I gotta say you've definetly done your homework.

All the Cruzes I have seen have been shod with Korean Maxxis tyres. on Thai cars are they made in Thailand or Korea?

http://www.maxxis.co.th/

Maxxis has its U.S. headquarters in Suwanee, Georgia, with other U.S. facilities in California and Texas. Internationally,has facilities in Taiwan, China, Thailand, Japan, Germany, and Canada. Worldwide, Maxxis employs more than 15,000 people, with distribution in over 130 countries. 

You guys really need to get over the Korean thing.

From Wikipedia

Maxxis has manufacturing facilities in locations including Yuan Lin, Taiwan; Xiamen, China; Kunshan, China; Rayong Province, Thailand; and Vietnam.

Has nothing to do with Korea. The Cruze comes from the Plant in Rayong. Maxxis also has its manufacturing facilities in Rayong.

1+1=2

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Patently not true. How can any badge not have a bearing on sales?

I was referring to your comment that somehow the Chevy badge has a NEGATIVE effect on sales. Drive down a road in Thailand anytime. Block out the toyotas and Hondas and you'll see plenty of Chevys around. Certainly much more than Hyundai.

If you don't like to call it a negative effect, then call it a less positive effect than other brands. And nobody is arguing that Hyundai sells better. Hyundai also sells poorly, when compared to Honda/Toyota.

Apologies for a long response... its my first post on here, a newbie. But I do have some views... trying to buy a car here for Mrs Crazy now and really like the discussions, wanted to add my voice.

1. I live in the UK most of the time; my family (uncle and now cousins) have worked for Ford for 40 years at Dagenham and thus we have family discount on the Ford models there. The last one I bought was the Focus Ghia which is a top-rated car in the UK but at 80,000 miles/130,000 kms its starting to look and feel its age. The Focus 2.0 I test drove here three days ago in Pattaya was the same model and design, just with some improved interior plastics. The showroom here is also a testament to what is in effect a down grade model/brand; the residuals here on Ford thus mean its not a good option, certainly until the new model now in the UK comes here next year. The Fiesta is a different proposition and wonderful small car to drive, but again the mechanics and build are only meant to last 100,000 miles/160,000 kms and after that it is scrap.

2. The car buyers' bible in the UK is 'What Car' and the comments made on the Cruze are to say the least derogatory (happy to share this month's copy if you want). I fully appreciate its a very good looking car and the tax effect with its new plant at Rayong do help. We're having lunch today with one of the US guys based there and he can also get a discount. But when one actually drives the Cruze (1.8 LTZ) is is really, really underpowered... so yes, it looks great but add the again appalling residuals into the equation and it doesn't make sense as anything other than a fashion statement. Finally... because this Rayong plant is still new GM are sorting out the issues and its normally the case that new manufacturing plants take some time to bed in. I agree that the Chevrolet staff here in Pattaya are going mad to try and sell it - we are being called daily by the salesman who we have dealt with - but is that really such a good thing?

3. Slight digression but Mrs Crazy has a 2006 Vios she bought second hand. We have had the odd disagreement over trivial details - I think she should only have the one husband :-) - and I have accidentally driven it into a wall a couple of times. It still drives like a gem, and the second hand guys are rubbing their hands and desperate to get hold of it even with the miles and bangs on it. I mention this because...

4. ...unless you have the money to burn, then the Japanese cars will have this time value of money benefit for some years. The supply restrictions because of the tsunami damage will only add to this effect and I don't blame the Honda - and to a lesser extent Toyota - dealerships for treating buyers like rubbish. They don't have to try... foe example we wanted to test drive a Camry and there is as muich chance of seeing one of those for a test drive as there is of a free friendship on the Beach Road. We did try the Accord in the Honda here in Pattaya and if I am honest I thought it was exceptionally good, but apparently the second-hand market is weaker for the biggest of the Japanese units.

Which brings me to the point (finally)... I'd appreciate knowing how a Cruze can really beat a Civic in terms of long-term ownership and value from running costs, through residuals, drive and to even looks? Yes, the Cruze looks lovely when you drive it out of the showroom but with everything here in Thailand after a couple of years you wake up and smell the coffee, or in this case the burning oil. Please feel free to correct me - as I said I've learned loads from this forum... all I can add to finish is that back in the UK I've also got an 11 yo Passat bought new that now gathers green mould for two months each trip yet starts first time. If they ever drop the tax then just buy a VW but until that point...

Civilly and sadly civiclly yours...

Makes absolutely no sense.

If you think a 2006 Vios POS drives like a dream, well, we know where your taste in cars is, so no need to go any further. We can ignore the rest of what you said.

But I'll bite.

My wife had a Honda Accord. 15 years old. It drove like shit. She had to fill in the radiator every day and it left her in the middle of the road overheating several times.

We traded it in when we bought my City. They gave us 190,000 baht for it.

Again, if you plan to keep your cars long, who cares about resale value?

I don't have "money to burn". I simply won't spen my money on an inferior car just because Thais love Hondas.

underpowered..

name me 1 non-underpowered car in thailand? Under 2mil baht

Cruze is at the top of the list with almost 150hp

even pickups are underpowered

Bunch of benz @ 140hp.. same with bmw.. talking about power in a car here like it matters is laughable.. no car is powerfull enough at affordable to the mass prices.

Exactly

The Cruze is not underpowered. It moves very well. The 6 speed transmission is very good. The engine has a nice deep sound. When i stepped on it, it had plenty of power.

My Honda City has 88hp, 7 speed transmission. Talk about underpowered.

A bunch of people are coming on here to do the typical forum flame. Doesn't take anything away from the Cruze.

The Cruze is a Holden car developed in Australia and is a smaller version for the driver who doesnt want a big Commodore which are much faster, bigger engine and quite expensive. Not for the Asian market. The Cruze is a lovely car and very popular here in Perth and outshines all the competition. As stated it is a GM car so it is probably assembled in several different countries.

Clearly you have been duped by Holden's impressive marketing machine, I seriously have to give props to the people that run it, they make people believe an American company is Australian and in the past they made otherwise rubbish car seem attractive to consumers. The Cruze is car developed in Germany (or so we are told) and then built in South Korea. You take away the brand loyalty to Holden and the Cruze is just another South Korean small car and it would sell accordingly in Australia. You put a Holden badge on a decent car and hey presto its okay for the average bogan to buy and not feel like they are letting their country down.

I thought i already went through this?

The Cruze was developed by GM Korea and Opel. It is built all around the world including Thailand, India, China, Russia, USA, Australia, South Korea, Brazil, and a couple of other countries.

Didnt take long for another Chevy recall.. Cruze.150.000.Recalled.Steering and Transission.This lot wont recall em in Thailand i bet.!!.. Google it, see for yourself..Wait for Owners Replies Folks. .

While you're at it...Google "Honda recall" and you'll see that they have just recalled 1.5 MILLION cars to fix a transmission software related issue...The point being that cars these days are very complicated and that all brands suffer from recalls on occasion.

Yes. Let's not forget the millions or Toyota recalls.

Cruze has had many recalls. Most of those recalls are for issues that nobody ever reported. GM is being very good about the Cruze since it's one of the most popular cars in the world.

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Great.

In the case of the Porsche, is almost 250%. Excellent.

Might as well be 500%. Hell, why not make it 1,000%.

Point being, I don't have to pay a 250% increase on a Chevy.

Dood, you need to calm down, and stick to the facts. Making up numbers here won't get you very far.

Nobody here is making up anything.

Fact is, a Boxter here is 6 million. In the US is 1.8. 250% increase, just about. If you want to be accurate, it close to 235% increase in price. Look it up on the website.

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Great.

In the case of the Porsche, is almost 250%. Excellent. Like 3 times the price.

Might as well be 500%. Hell, why not make it 1,000%.

Point being, I don't have to pay a 250% increase on a Chevy.

Same with the Volvo. Buy it here for 3 million, sell it a year later for 800,000. This is what some are trying to say is Chevy. Boloney.

A Porsche Boxter (the poor man's Porsche) costs 6 million baht in Thailand.

Price in the US= 1.8 million baht.

That's an increase of $133,000 dollars.

My Cruze LS

Thailand= 875,000 baht ($29,166)

US= 510,000 baht ($17,000)

Increase of about 72%

Which has been my point all along. That's the way things are and that is the way things will stay for the foreseeable future. The Cruze will have little impact on the market, no matter how wonderful it may be.

But I'll sure have fun driving it. Regardless of what the market does.

Hopefully it'll become very popular here and help by the time I sell it. Around the year 2021. That a long time. Many things can happen.

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NOTHING in Thailand sells better than a Honda or a Toyota. Thai people are lemmings.

Doesn't mean they are the better cars.

It will take time for other brands to make it here. Cars get taxed 500% here, so for a long time Thais were pretty much forced to make 2 choices. Honda or Toyota. However, in recent years Thailand has become an automotive HUB for companies like GM and others to build their cars here, making buying other brands possible. It will take time, but the reign of Honda and Toyota in Thailand will eventually end.

I don't know man, i don't mean to pick an argument, but over here, you don't see a lot of cruzes and captivas on the road, and when you do, I always think "for that money, why didn't he buy a Pajero sport? or an altis, or a hyundai "

I swear for every 20 civics sold here, or altis, you probably have .25 cruzes sold, that may be a generous assesment..

that's point two five (.25)

You aren't picking an argument. You make a good point.

Nobody can argue that. Actually, when I had the misfortune of test driving the shitty ass Civic, the sales people weren't even interested in selling it. the Honda sales guy sat in the back texting on his phone while I was driving.

The Chevy sales girl we are dealing with is excellent. She treated us like we were buying a Mercedes S Class. Honda people don't give 2 shits. That's because, as you say, they dont even have to try to sell their product. It sells itself, even though it is vastly inferior to the Cruze, for 1 Cruze my sales girl sells treating us like that, that moron at Honda sells 10 Civics texting on his phone.

Reason- not because the Civic is better, but because Thai people are like lemmings.

Also, I don't like driving a taxi, so an Altis is out of the question. The sad part is, in 10 years, the Altis will shake and rattle so loud your ears will bleed every time you stop at a stop light while my Cruze will most likely be just fine and dandy. But you bet the crappy Taxi will resale for more. I don't care. I'd rather drive the better car.

You seem to be arguing with yourself. Who in this thread has made any claim about the residuals of the Focus?

It is impossible to compare a resale value of ANY car here in Thailand to a resale value of a Honda and Toyota. So, if we are talking about a Chevys resale value, then we compare it to the other car that comes close to a cruze which is the Focus.

The notion that a Chevy Cruze will lose all of its value and that a Hyundai will resell better is ridiculous. The Cruze will have as good a resale value as a Focus. Provided we get the same Ford Focus 2012 as in the USA. We still don't know. Maybe the same car as now with a different shell for all we know.

The Cruze is a completely new car, not a re-shelled Optra.

Patently not true. How can any badge not have a bearing on sales?

I was referring to your comment that somehow the Chevy badge has a NEGATIVE effect on sales. Drive down a road in Thailand anytime. Block out the toyotas and Hondas and you'll see plenty of Chevys around. Certainly much more than Hyundai.

Also, the Captiva is priced perfectly. Just like a CRV. But at least the Captiva has a Diesel and an E85 option, unlike crappy Honda.

well, just to quantify the car of the year thing, we don't get a lot of cars here in MLA, plus, those covers and accolades are "bought" here.. hehehe

Doesn't matter. The Cruze has been independently praised by everyone in every country. That's the point.

The other point, Civic and Toyota are behind. They're old news. And the 2012 Civic is a disaster.

the resale value on this car should be crap after 3 to 5 years, I'll consider a hyundai before this chevy

If you are going to keep your car for 3 or 5 years, then get yet another Toyota or Honda.

If you are going to keep it for 10 years or more, then who cares about resale value?

The difference between a used 2005 Optra 1.6l and a 2005 Altis 1.6l is 100,000 baht.

I may get an extra 100,000 for a Civic vs the Cruze, but by the time I sell it, i would have driven a crap loud plastic cheap ass Civic that in don't enjoy. So, I would take the 100,000 baht hit 10 years from now if it means I end up driving a better car.

This is of course, speculation on your part because you have no idea what will happen to the Cruze here. By the time I sell it, t may have retained its value very well. You just don't know.

Anyway, I bought it, not you, so don't worry about it. Good luck with your Hyundai though.

I see Englishmen swearing by their Focus. Well, you can get a 2007 Ford Focus for 400,000 baht. Just saw one on One2Car selling for 409,000 baht. A 2006 full option 5 door Focus for 448,000 baht. Another Focus Sedan 2006 full options = 399,000 baht.

So much for resale values.

People who think the Cruze is a shopping cart, have never driven it or been inside one.

Hopefully, they are not the same guys opening threads about the Fiesta. The ugliest most uncomfortable car I tried.

And yes. The Chevy Cruze was designed by GM Daewoo and Opal. No need to say this in every single post. It's a Korean car. We get it. And GM Daewoo is no more. GM renamed it to simply, GM Korea.

You guys need to get over this. Seriously. What is a Chevy Colorado? It's an Isuzu. It's basically a renamed Isuzu DMax and it is a Thai Pickup Truck. People in the US think they are buying an American pick up when they are buying an Isuzu Thai made pickup truck. Doesn't take anything away from it. It's a Chevy Colorado. Maybe a Daewoo Lacetti in Korea, but here and in the US is a Chevy Cruze. Who gives a crap?

It is manufactured in Australia, Russia, Brazil, US, Korea, China, Inida, and lucky for us, Rayong, Thailand. no 500% tax increase.

Not trying to be a salesman, just responding to people saying they don't know what's going to happen with this brand new car and it may end up forgotten.

Just saying the Cruze has been tested and proven. It's been out for almost 4 years already. It has gotten a perfect safety 5 star score in every country. People love it. Where's the doubt? The car didn't just happen out of nowhere.

Thais buy Toyota or Honda. Englishmen buy Ford Hatchbacks. What else is new? If you're an Englishman on the market for a new car, this is definitely worth a look at least. And take it out for a drive. I know it doesn't say ford and it's not a hatchback. Look. Get a magazine where they have an ad for a Ford. Cut out the Ford logo. Bring it with you. Put some scotch tale on the back and stick it on the steering wheel on top of the chevy logo.

Sorted.

Also, the "boot" as you say, is HUGE and the back seats fold all the way forward in case you need to put something big back there.

You seem to be getting awfully defensive about the car but besides a few criticisms, which can be levelled at any car, i don't think anyone is particularly attacking the product. You say it is excellent. I believe you. I don't think it looks that attractive, or all that different from the competition, and to sit in, which i confess is the most i have done, it felt to me a bit hemmed in. But, all that aside, if it's as good a drive as you say it is, it deserves to do well, and i'm sure it will on other countries. Here, i have my doubts. Many a good product has fallen on deaf ears in this neck of the woods, simply because of badge, and i see no reason why this car is going to be any different really. At the end of the day though, if you love it and are happy with the purchase, why care about that? It's good to be different from the sheep.

The Chevy badge certainly hasn't affected Chevy sales in Thailand. I see as many Captivas driving around as CRVs or Fortuners. Also I see a whole lot of Optras and Aveos everywhere. I see as many Chevys around as Mazdas or Fords.

Actually, Chevy sales are doing so well in Thailand, including Cruze sales, that they are building a second plant in addition to the Rayong plant to keep up with demand.

well, i don't mean any disrespect here, but in my humble opinion, chevy has an uphill climb here, its a fine car, but it's an EXPENSIVE honda civic, at best, if it is even as good as a honda civic...

Chevy's don't have a good rep here in the philippines, and i don't get who tags on their price points, way too expensive for what they are,

that's why you only see one or 2 of them around..

I've already talked about that. The Civic is a big pile of crap compared to the Cruze. The Civic is loud, cheaply made and cheap materials. The seats are awful too.

Another person who hasnt even been inside of one.

The 2012 Civic is so bad Consumer Reports has a "Dont buy" recommendation for it.

As for the Cruze in the phillipines, well, the Chevt Cruze was just named "Phillipine Car of the Year"

This comes from Top Gear Phillipines.

Also, your comments about pricing are completely wrong. My 875,000 baht Cruze SMOKED the test drive Civic I drove that was priced at well over 900,000 baht.

Honda City?

Hahaha

That's what I drive now. It's absolute crap compared to the Cruze.

Honda makes cheap overpriced cars. You can compare the Cruze to a focus. But not to a city.

And the sloppy on bends, I guess you mean when you turn? I disagree. There are plenty of independent Cruze track testing videos that goes in complete contradiction with that. It didn't feel sloppy at all when I drove it. It's not a "sports car", so it won't feel sporty. The 2012 focus will feel a lot sportier on bends.

When will you get the Ford Hatchback though?

People who think the Cruze is a shopping cart, have never driven it or been inside one.

Hopefully, they are not the same guys opening threads about the Fiesta. The ugliest most uncomfortable car I tried.

And yes. The Chevy Cruze was designed by GM Daewoo and Opal. No need to say this in every single post. It's a Korean car. We get it. And GM Daewoo is no more. GM renamed it to simply, GM Korea.

You guys need to get over this. Seriously. What is a Chevy Colorado? It's an Isuzu. It's basically a renamed Isuzu DMax and it is a Thai Pickup Truck. People in the US think they are buying an American pick up when they are buying an Isuzu Thai made pickup truck. Doesn't take anything away from it. It's a Chevy Colorado. Maybe a Daewoo Lacetti in Korea, but here and in the US is a Chevy Cruze. Who gives a crap?

It is manufactured in Australia, Russia, Brazil, US, Korea, China, Inida, and lucky for us, Rayong, Thailand. no 500% tax increase.

Not trying to be a salesman, just responding to people saying they don't know what's going to happen with this brand new car and it may end up forgotten.

Just saying the Cruze has been tested and proven. It's been out for almost 4 years already. It has gotten a perfect safety 5 star score in every country. People love it. Where's the doubt? The car didn't just happen out of nowhere.

Thais buy Toyota or Honda. Englishmen buy Ford Hatchbacks. What else is new? If you're an Englishman on the market for a new car, this is definitely worth a look at least. And take it out for a drive. I know it doesn't say ford and it's not a hatchback. Look. Get a magazine where they have an ad for a Ford. Cut out the Ford logo. Bring it with you. Put some scotch tale on the back and stick it on the steering wheel on top of the chevy logo.

Sorted.

Also, the "boot" as you say, is HUGE and the back seats fold all the way forward in case you need to put something big back there.

I did it with only the car book copy the last time. Guy did it without the car book no problem. Chevy dealer has my Honda book.

No idea about pickup smartcabs. Thai people ride everywhere. In the back. On top. Families of 6 traveling in a scooter. 4 kids sandwiched between the "parents" weaving in and out of traffic. Let's ban THAT first shall we?

Anyway. My first car. Honda. New. I don't remember how much to order. I picked up the car. Gave them the check and drove it home.

I am buying my 2nd new one. I gave 20,000 baht to order (price is 875,000). That's like 2.5%.

When the car is ready I'll bring the check, drive home.

The Cruze has been out for a while in Europe. It's just been released in the USA. It has sold hundreds of thousands of units. It's the best selling car in the USA at the moment.

I test drove it and gunned it.

No it doesn't shake. It's not a Citation. Its been reviewed and tested by many. It's a fine car. It's not something that just came out and nobody has.

Actually, the Chevy Cruze has sold nearly 1 million units worldwide. Last time I checked it was at 800,000+.

Currently GM is the world's #1 automaker.

Chevrolet sold more than 330,000 Cruzes worldwide during the first half of 2011, a 132-percent increase over the same time period a year ago. Much of that growth came in China and the United States, where Cruze was the best-selling passenger car in the country in June. In Canada, Cruze sales are up 65 percent compared to the model it replaced. Since introduction in early 2009, Cruze has sold more than 800,000 units worldwide, and is on track to exceed 1 million before the end of 2012.

My aunt had a Yugo once. You could open the roof with a can opener and make a sun roof.