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My Concern with the Cruze is reliability, GM, Vauxhall,Chevrolet always have terrible results in the JD Power survey .

Chev 3rd from bottom and Vauxhall bottom http://www.whatcar.c...-results/257096

Also poor review from whatcar http://www.whatcar.c...-review/25843-2

Much cheaper in Europe than the competition but still unliked

For The Cruze has a much better cabin than existing Chevrolet buyers will be used to, and it looks pretty funky, too. The bargain-bucket price and warranty package will be tempting

Against The petrol engines are gutless, it's not particularly exciting or comfortable to drive and it's not as practical as a hatchback

Quite a lot of car for not a lot of cash, but remember – there's a reason why it's so cheap

You guys are hilarious

Let me get this straight. You made some weird connection between the Cruze and some other car, then used that other car's reviews to judge the Cruze. Excellent!

Then, you say the engine is "gutless" and it's not comfortable to drive. For all we know, you could be 300lbs and can'r fit your fat ass in the seat. But my guess is, you've never driven one.

My other guess is that you are English. Englishmen will never go for a Cruze. As I've said, you'll go for what is expected of a good Englishman to buy, a Focus Hatchback.

Then, you say it's a LOT of car for NOT a lot of cash. First you say it's not so much of a car, then you say it IS a LOT of car. Then you say it's not a lot of money. So, to you, $30,000 is not a lot of money.

Well, the Cruze is as much car as a Focus or a Lancer EX for the same price. It's not some weird cheap car. The Cruze falls in the same price range as ones in the same category.

You say it's a LOT of car, but it's some cheap ass unreliable car. Of course, you have nothing to back up any of these "conclusions". They are just misinformed and empty opinions of a guy who doesn't even own the car and drives it every day. If you EVER drove one that is.

No.

A work permit is a requirement.

100% resale value for Honda & Toyota always higher than Ford. Also take note New Ford Focus will launch either Q4 BKK motor show or Q1 2012.

Honda makes crap tin cans.

Toyota Fortuners are pick up trucks with more seats and their cars are taxis.

What is the price for a 5 year old Focus vs a 5 year old Altis?

A 2.0 Focus sells for the same price as a 1.8 Altis. The most a Toyota or a Honda will hold at 5 years over, say a 1.8 Focus is 80-90,000 baht more. Max.

The older the car, that 80,000 baht difference disappears.

Maybe the English don't like to own cars for more than 3 or 4 years and that's why they are so concerned over resale value, but after 10+ years, who cares really?

Honda makes inferior cars. Toyota makes OK cars that you wouldn't want to own.

@kurnell Thanks for your advice. I'm aware of the high resale value the Toyotas and Hondas in Thailand. But I'm actually looking more into comfort and safety. I doubt I'll be changing anytime soon at least for the next 5 years or so? But one will never know. haha. Thanks once again.

@Gaary A Yup. The diesel somehow feels so much smoother. I've never actually driven diesel engine cars until to LOS and did the test drives. The roads, curbs and especially floods were taken into consideration too. That was part of the reason I took a look at the Pajero Sport! I guess you'll be going for an SUV-like vehicle in the near future then?

Whichever of the 2 cars I'm gonna get, I'm sure it will be brilliant. Based on the reviews and inputs of the very knowledgeable people here, I'm already very confident even before owning 1!

I wouldn't get a Mitsubishi. Over a not very long time, it'll get loud. They make good TVs though.

I would also look at the resale value. Honda and Toyota hold theirs, other do not

A myth

When you keep cars for a long time, resale value is not an issue.

When we sold our Accord it was 15 years old. They gave us 190,000 baht. You can pick up a 15 year old Accord right now for anywhere between 180,000 to 280,000, depending on the model, etc. That's about as much as you'll get for any other car.

I wonder why they bother coming to this thread.

The Civic is a cheap tin can. The doors don't even close right.

The contenders now are Focus, Mazda 3, Lancer EX, Cruze.

The Fiesta and the Mazda 2 are in a category with the City. That's something else.

The English won't go for the Cruze because it's a Chevy, it's not a Ford Hatchback. They would rather just go along and get a Civic (they say because of resale value).

That's basically it. the English will either get a Ford Hatchback or a Civic. The English who don't have the money will get a VIOS (in black of course. Black sedan - or saloon as they call them - or White hatchback).

Very predictable.

The hatchback Cruze is due out soon.

But The English will not like this either. They'll say it's because it's not "sporty" and it doesnt have a hard suspension.

Aye!

Im too young for one but once im an old fart i would definitely say the Camry is a top notch car. Classy, Clean and decent overall. No personality though.

Cruze's + are : Cool design not Japanese, relaxed fun drive while still doing well once you move into maniac mode.

Accord(current ugly model) did not stand a chance versus those two cars. in my own opinion again.

Cruze only needs a turbo engine or 30-40 extra HPs and imo it would be the best affordable car in Thailand

Not too sure about this but i think the cruze might have a larger front and back window? looks easier to see around you in that car compared to the other two.

edit: dam_n auto correct again

The front and back windows are big. One of the selling pouts of the Cruze is the great visibility it offers. From the way you're sitting and the way the car is designed it's almost as if you had a view of every angle around your car just barely even moving your eyes. Very easy to drive.

Inalways felt in my City I was turning every which way to make sure I didn't run into someone.

I agree, the current t Accord is ugly as hell. The Civic is cheap as hell. Honda is not even a contender at this point, and from the terrible reviews the new 2012 Civic received, I think Honda will be out of it. Well, it already is. Just Thais like good little soldiers keep buying them, but that's going to change eventually. Especially when the new Aveo comes out.

The Camry Hybrid is a very nice car. The interior doesn't move me and I don't want to buy the car; but it sure is quality. In the US I think that's the Lexus ES.

No My Company Leases the Range Rover, I retire soon so its Pedestrian Cars for me after that.Or Cough Up big money just to go to Lotus..That's why i called in from your initially balanced posts, and Ive also tried the Fords and Mazda's But youre so Full of Cruze you dont read other posters do you.

Well. You just spend your time at the dealers all day long.

How's rolling down the windows when it rains in the Ford? hahaha aha. That's the funniest post ever.

I have indeed driven a White Cruze in Suphanburi, they all but draged me in !!. , or i would have no knowledge that the quiet interior renders the cheap tyres noisy if you opren the window, also the suspension far to soft for me.As for Test Drivers i have far more experience than the average test drivers thank you. Its medium to slow, but apart from that id be happy to drive one. You get what you pay for., not bad value, not very stimulating drive compared to a Mitsu.G.T. or a Manual Honda City.

Tires are cheap? How much is 1 of my tires compared to a similar Michelin? Anyway, they're just tires. You can get any tire you want to.

So, someone dragged you into a Chevy dealer to test drive a Cruze? Why? I find that story very bizarre. A WHITE one. Not gray or silver or black, but WHITE! You also rolled down the window to hear the tires. Of course.

Then you went out and test drove a new City (manual of course) and a Lancer (GT of course, not the other one).

Do you test drive cars for a living?

Also, a car called CRUZE is not designed to give you a stimulating sporty drive. It's designed to, CRUZE. Soft quiet tranquil no thrills drive. Hence the name CRUZE.

Out of curiosity, what car do you drive?

Range Rover Sport.2011. Honda Accord2011. Toyo Sportivo 2011, 3 Salesfolk. Dirty white with N/S front bumper gouged to be exact..I wind the Window down on all Tinted cars to see right when it rains.We have many Cities in the Company, and my wifes friend bought a Mitsu GT, the other day. Next Question to entertain the Troops.Youre getting out of your depth old son.

Wait wait.

I'm still laughing.

Ahhhhh

Ok

So, you just bought a brand new Range Rover Sport and a brand new Honda Accord.

You were somewhere driving your brand new range rover 2011 and 3 Chevrolet salesmen stop you and force you into a BEAT UP DIRTY white Chevy Cruze to test drive. Also, when it rains, you roll the windows DOWN to see better!

Aaaahahahahahahahahah

Chiming in to say that i have just seen a Cruze parked next to Camry and Accord.

Cruze was shorter by less than 15cm~. It had much more head space and body width.

oops. dam_n auto correct.

And it looked a lot better too right?

It's a "compact", but it doesn't feel compact inside. It does have a compact car fuel economy though, so that puts it over the Accord for me.

The only one I'd consider between those would be the Camry Hybrid, but, too many people with those. Cruze makes you feel special.

Don't listen to these people. They haven't even been inside of one.

As for the Maxxis tires, well, Goodyear tires are cheaper than Maxxis. It's a good tire. Not loud at all. Boloney. I've put about 700km in 9 days. They're NOT loud. These people are forum trolls.

I have indeed driven a White Cruze in Suphanburi, they all but draged me in !!. , or i would have no knowledge that the quiet interior renders the cheap tyres noisy if you opren the window, also the suspension far to soft for me.As for Test Drivers i have far more experience than the average test drivers thank you. Its medium to slow, but apart from that id be happy to drive one. You get what you pay for., not bad value, not very stimulating drive compared to a Mitsu.G.T. or a Manual Honda City.

Tires are cheap? How much is 1 of my tires compared to a similar Michelin? Anyway, they're just tires. You can get any tire you want to.

So, someone dragged you into a Chevy dealer to test drive a Cruze? Why? I find that story very bizarre. A WHITE one. Not gray or silver or black, but WHITE! You also rolled down the window to hear the tires. Of course.

Then you went out and test drove a new City (manual of course) and a Lancer (GT of course, not the other one).

Do you test drive cars for a living?

Also, a car called CRUZE is not designed to give you a stimulating sporty drive. It's designed to, CRUZE. Soft quiet tranquil no thrills drive. Hence the name CRUZE.

Out of curiosity, what car do you drive?

Of course. YOU can customize any car however you want to. What does that have to do with adding "extra safety features" at the time of purchase?

If you want to customize it, you can go to your nearest custom rim shop. What's the dealer going to do?

Safety feature was just an example of what might be listed as an extra. There may be safety features, or there may be other things, but for their too be no optional extras whatsoever, well, i would find that very surprising. If that is the way it is with the LTZ, then you must be right.

Wow. You're still arguing things you don't know anything about. All this time you never bothered to check out some information about it.

Let me try again

There's a 1.8 edition. Right? OK. The more options you want, the more expensive it gets. They are called the LS, LT and LTZ. That's it. End of story.

No. There are no other "optional" anything other than the options brochure they give you. Actually, you can even download this from the website, Which you obviously STILL haven't bothered to visit.

No. Nothing. That's it. LTZ is it. No more optional anything.

Not sure what "options" you're talking about since you are still ring extremely vague.

Also, you're changing the topic. This started by you guys saying that there was a "low spec" LTZ. That's ridiculous. Now you're onto, there must be some hidden "special options nobody knows about" that you can put in it. Of course, you still haven't given any examples as to what you mean by "extra options" exactly.

The extra options you can have are options such as, trunk plastic lining, trunk buckets, curtains, chrome package, lighting at your feet (blue lighting), CRUZE on you running board, etc.

That's it.

I must have had his Test Car, Quiet they AINT..

A) you could be lying and have never actually been inside a chevy Cruze

B ) I drive it every day. The car is extremely quiet.

I'm going for A. Anyone who says the chevy Cruze is loud when you drive it has obviously never been inside of one.

BTW, the guy who test drove it was also amazed by how quiet the car was. He said the diesel was not as quiet as the petrol but still, extremely quiet.

The reason he didn't care for the tires was because his test car had "no brand" tires.

The quietness is something that has been written about review after review. I confirm it because I drive the thing every single day. I've put nearly 1,000KM in a little over a week.

It's hard to explain how quiet the car is, but you can tell by this short review here. He is on the 1.4L version.

That's how quiet mine is.

Get a Fortuner...................

You know it makes sense.

There is a simple reason why there are an over abundance of Fortuners on the road compared with MU7's or Ford Everest or The Silly named Pajero " Sport ", <deleted> is the sport all about ? Cos Fortuners are good motors, don't take much working out does it ?

And to not want ba car because there are so many of the same model about means what exactly ?

You think people are gonna stop and stare at you because you have a Captiva ?

One of my cars is a Fortuner, great car it's been, 4 years old, never any problem at all, I mean nothing at all, same everything since new.

Resale value will be good too, but you go ahead and get a Chevrolet................yours brand new today will be worth less then my 4 year old Fortuner in 6 years time.

I was gonna buy a Captiva until I worked out just how much more a Fortuner is worth.

Fortuners are just pick up trucks with seats in the back.

Get a Captiva.

A 10 year old Fortuner will be worth, how much more than a 6 year old Captiva? I missed that. Give us the numbers.

Another falang myth. Chevys won't be worth anything as soon as you drive them off the lot

Right now

Fortuner 2007 3.0L AT - 880,000

http://www.one2car.com/TOYOTA_FORTUNER/G20110087

Captiva 2007 2.4L AT - 889,000

http://showroom.one2car.com/carDetail.aspx?car_id=g12540220

My Cruze came with Maxxis Victra 510 - 205/60 R16. The tires are great to my surprise. They are quiet and the really grip the road, even at 120kph in this rainy weather with puddles all over the highway.

I thought I would have to change to my regular Michelin, but these are quieter. My Michelins used to have a "whooooooooooo" sound when I was slowing down, especially when they were new. Not these.

I know from a Thai car show that when they tested the Diesel model it came with other tires. The guy doing the review didn't care for the tires, but they werent maxiss. Not sure what happened there.

Maybe it was just the car they gave him to test

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I'm getting lost. What are we flaming about now?

Hahahah

Oh my goodness.

Let me try it again

The Chevrolet Cruze LTZ is the TOP

That's right

THE TOP model of the Cruze.

What more are you going to add? Rubber mats?

And the comments wasn't about adding. The comment you guys made was about taking "extras off the LTZ to make it cheaper". Now you're on to adding more.

When did anyone say about taking options off to make it cheaper? A ridiculous figment of your imagination. Can't be done.

You seem to be struggling with this idea, but even TOP models have optional extras. No, not rubber mats. Things like extra safety features. I bet LTZ has them too.

as a start I would ad proper lights (HID/xenon), and proper rims and tyres to make it handle better

Of course. YOU can customize any car however you want to. What does that have to do with adding "extra safety features" at the time of purchase?

If you want to customize it, you can go to your nearest custom rim shop. What's the dealer going to do?

So, how did the Cruze handle for you when you drove it?

Where did you drive it? Because mine handles perfectly.

Hahahah

Oh my goodness.

Let me try it again

The Chevrolet Cruze LTZ is the TOP

That's right

THE TOP model of the Cruze.

What more are you going to add? Rubber mats?

And the comments wasn't about adding. The comment you guys made was about taking "extras off the LTZ to make it cheaper". Now you're on to adding more.

When did anyone say about taking options off to make it cheaper? A ridiculous figment of your imagination. Can't be done.

You seem to be struggling with this idea, but even TOP models have optional extras. No, not rubber mats. Things like extra safety features. I bet LTZ has them too.

Really? The LTZ in Thailand has optional extra safety features.

Aaahahshshshahahahah

Ok. Let me know when you find them and list them here.

Let's not listen to the guy who spent weeks looking at and eventually BUYING a Cruze. Let's just go by what you THINK MAYBE true.

But, no. There are no "extras" or "safety" extras for the LTZ. It is what it is.

You really seem to be struggling with That idea.

There is a brochure they give you for "extras". It has silver trim stuff, rubber mats and all kinds of things.

You should look more into it so you don't come here talking nonsense about things you know nothing about. Seriously. You THINK? How about YOU KNOW? Then come back and share.

And how is one different then the other?

Bottom line for me is how much money i lose, not how much i pay, and i believe that in not all, but a lot of cases, one would lose less money in Thailand, than one would in let's say the UK.

Right so by that logic I guess the rest of my post went over your head or you ignored it because the economics of it say you lose more paying and financing more up front..

When you start discussing financing deals it all becomes a lot more complicated as there are many more factors involved as to how much a car will cost. You may no more on that subject - as you do every subject of course - for me i always buy cars outright, so for me, buying a car in Thailand, can cost less in ownership, than buying a car in the UK, even though buying the car in Thailand initially costs more. Can you grasp that?

True.

Mine cost 29,000.

Let's say someone in the US pays 20,000 or less for mine.

By the time I'm done paying my small loan in 48 months, that guy in the USA would've paid 10,000-15,000 dollars in insurance in 48 months.

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Who said anything about getting a "cheap" LTZ? Nobody.

All i did was tell you my understanding of what KBB said. And that was that an LTZ without any extras comes with factory leather and 4 airbags. If you are saying there are no extras available, i have to say i find that very surprising. Usually even top models have some extras. Anyway, by the by. Point was, KBB wasn't claiming the LTZ to be the lowest spec model.

There is no lower spec LTZ. It comes with a standard set of features. You can't say "I want an LTZ without remote start and without auto rain sensing". They'll tell you to get an LT then. You can't take the options out.

Just go to the Chevy Thailand website and you can see each model and what they come with. They aren't things you can take on or off. You get a 1.8 LTZ, you pay 998,000 baht. The end. There are no "extras" that you can take out for a cheaper LTZ. That would be an LT.

I wasn't talking about taking options off. I was talking about being able to add extra options. Even top of the line models in their range usually have extra options that you can add.

Hahahah

Oh my goodness.

Let me try it again

The Chevrolet Cruze LTZ is the TOP

That's right

THE TOP model of the Cruze.

What more are you going to add? Rubber mats?

And the comments wasn't about adding. The comment you guys made was about taking "extras off the LTZ to make it cheaper". Remember? About 5 minutes ago you guys were taking about "the lower spec'd LTZ". Now you're on to adding more.

Cruze 1,8 LTZ is 998k baht, lowest spec with factory leather and 4 airbags. OP has a low spec with one airbag and aftermarket leather

1.8LTZ is low spec?

That sentence made no sense

Made sense to me. He wasn't saying the the LTZ was the lowest spec in the range, he was saying that if you buy the LTZ without any extras (ie lowest spec version of LTZ) it comes with leather and 4 airbags.

spot on, thats what I said. and this would be the only Cruze close to Mitsu Lancer GT in spec/price, except Mitsu comes with more power and much better handling and steering

and changing leather on a car with side airbags built into seats, you are basicly down to 2 front airbags, as the seat airbags are not likely to work as designed

Well, mine doesn't have side airbags, so who cares?

Also, your comment about "better handling" in the lancer, we can assume that you test drove them both extensively, correct?

And again, there is no "stripped down version" of an LTZ. There is nothing to take out. It comes as it comes. It's the LTZ. Period.

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Who said anything about getting a "cheap" LTZ? Nobody.

All i did was tell you my understanding of what KBB said. And that was that an LTZ without any extras comes with factory leather and 4 airbags. If you are saying there are no extras available, i have to say i find that very surprising. Usually even top models have some extras. Anyway, by the by. Point was, KBB wasn't claiming the LTZ to be the lowest spec model.

There is no lower spec LTZ. It comes with a standard set of features. You can't say "I want an LTZ without remote start and without auto rain sensing". They'll tell you to get an LT then. You can't take the options out.

Just go to the Chevy Thailand website and you can see each model and what they come with. They aren't things you can take on or off. You get a 1.8 LTZ, you pay 998,000 baht. The end. There are no "extras" that you can take out for a cheaper LTZ. That would be an LT.

I'm going to make one comment on this and I'm not going to argue the point. The seats in your car were not the same as factory leather seats and you also made the comment about them being more forgiving then the factory leather seats once you had the leather installed and it also shows in the pictures but a leather seat has a firmer feel for a reason and that's to support the leather from over-stretching and in short order tearing out the seams and cracking the leather so putting leather over frames and foam supports of a cloth seat is eventually going to end up in tears if the leather is not tufted at the seams IT IS NOT THE SAME AS FACTORY maybe this doesn't happen while you own the car but maybe it will.

You haven't sat in my car. How do you know how firm my seats are?

My seats, just like every Cruze, are very firm. Some say they are too firm. This is all subjective. You can't judge the firmness of my seats by a comment I made.

It's true, that the leather I have now make the seats softer. It doesn't make them any less firm. They are as stiff as any Cruze, but you don't have the Cruze cloth which is more like a rough backpack material.

My seats are very firm. The seats are the same as that LTZ.

Your post is highly speculative. You've never sat in an LTZ and if you have, you've never sat in my car.

Difference is, I know I've sat in both.

Cruze 1,8 LTZ is 998k baht, lowest spec with factory leather and 4 airbags. OP has a low spec with one airbag and aftermarket leather

1.8LTZ is low spec?

That sentence made no sense

Made sense to me. He wasn't saying the the LTZ was the lowest spec in the range, he was saying that if you buy the LTZ without any extras (ie lowest spec version of LTZ) it comes with leather and 4 airbags.

You also make no sense.

Here in Thailand, the Cruze comes in 3 versions. The 1.6, 1.8 and 2.0

The 1.8 comes in 3 different trims. The LS, LT, and LTZ. The LTZ is the top Chevy Cruze. It costs 998,000 baht.

You can't get a "cheap" LTZ. The LTZ is the LTZ. It comes with a set of standard features. There are no "extras". What "extras" are you talking about?

The 2.0 LTZ is the same car, only with a diesel engine. The options are the same as the 1.8LTZ.

There is no such thing as a "cheap LTZ". You can get an LT, that's cheaper. Comes with 2 airbags.