phuketjock

Two crimes were committed by the radio station and the DJs.

Impersonating a member of a patients family in an attempt to obtain confidential medical information about that patient from a hospital.

Broadcasting a hoax call without first obtaining the permission of the victims.

It is up to the CPS in the UK and their Australian equivalent to decide whether or not it is worth pursuing prosecutions.

The DJs made the call and all the evidence points to the call pushing this poor woman over the edge, whatever other problems she may have had. In that sense they are prime suspects in the cause of her suicide at that time.

Whybother, as phuketjock says, the identity of this poor woman was not released to the media until after her death and after her family had been informed. That is standard procedure in the UK in any sudden death, regardless of the cause.

The identity of the second nurse has not been released.

Your attempts to put the blame onto the media and exonerate the DJs from any responsibility are ridiculous, have no merit and are becoming increasingly desperate!

I must add that I have no time for the morons who are reported to have made threats to the DJs and their families. Their reported actions are terrible and I hope they are identified and dealt with by the authorities.

Not up to Australia as no criminal offence has been identified in Australia. As for the U.K they have considered a U.K law of attempt to gain medical details by deception but are they going to persue extradiction proceeding for such an offence given the circumstances. Who would they file the actual charges against, The CEO of the station, the producers of the show, the d'j's for following the script or the guy in the booth who actually dialed the number for the d.j's. The U.K no longer has any jurisdiction in Australia.

Interesting it is not illegal to impersonate someone in Australia, so fraud must be

legal there then??

And you can broadcast anything about anyone without their permission, I seriously

doubt that??

What I said was no criminal offence has been identified in Australia. And I DEFINATELY DID NOT say that you could broadcast anything about anyone without thier permission (A recording of them that is)

I said; "The Australian broadcasting Commission could fine the station or revoke thier licence but that is a civil matter."

I don't know how you misunderstood this as meaning it was O.K.

So fraud is not a criminal offence in Australia then ???

During your last reply 7x7 you demonstrated exactly what I'm talking about...........the Section 30 has been passed by agreement giving the right to Holyrood to run this election.

Link and quote please to any post of mine where I have said otherwise.

The EC are currently assessing the question by means of focus groups etc. and will report on what they consider to be the fairest wording.

The Better Together campaign has confirmed that they will accept any and all recommendations by the EC and have called upon the SNP to do the same.

The SNP refuse to do so and have said it is up to them to decide upon the final wording; i.e. that they will ignore the recommendations of the EC if they don't suit them.

So I ask again; why are the SNP afraid of wording the question to make it clear that a Yes vote means leaving the UK?

In my opinion the continued and rapid decline in the SNP's share of the vote in General Elections proves that the majority of Scottish people have a similar opinion of Salmond and his party as I; that they Scottish people do vote for them for the Scottish Parliament also proves that they feel the Scottish Parliament to be not much better than local government and that the SNP are fine for this small stage, but not for the big one at Westminster.

You may not like that opinion, but I still have the right to express it.

BTW, your continued use of the word 'gerrymandering' in reference to the devolution referendum shows that you do not know what the word means; I suggest you look it up.

Same old bone and same answer 7

7 Has the EC recommended that the question be changed NO Has the EC recommended anything at

this point NO. Has the question to be asked been finalised yet NO. It is quite clear and has been agreed

by all concerned that whatever question the Scottish government deem appropriate will be the question

asked. That is how it is whether you agree or not, end of, get over it, Subject closed.

If you do not wish to feel offended by suggestions that you think the

Scottish people are stupid then do not post statements that imply you

do.

Unfortunately 7 on this your opinion, as vauable as it is, is completely

irrelevant sorry

Two crimes were committed by the radio station and the DJs.

Impersonating a member of a patients family in an attempt to obtain confidential medical information about that patient from a hospital.

Broadcasting a hoax call without first obtaining the permission of the victims.

It is up to the CPS in the UK and their Australian equivalent to decide whether or not it is worth pursuing prosecutions.

The DJs made the call and all the evidence points to the call pushing this poor woman over the edge, whatever other problems she may have had. In that sense they are prime suspects in the cause of her suicide at that time.

Whybother, as phuketjock says, the identity of this poor woman was not released to the media until after her death and after her family had been informed. That is standard procedure in the UK in any sudden death, regardless of the cause.

The identity of the second nurse has not been released.

Your attempts to put the blame onto the media and exonerate the DJs from any responsibility are ridiculous, have no merit and are becoming increasingly desperate!

I must add that I have no time for the morons who are reported to have made threats to the DJs and their families. Their reported actions are terrible and I hope they are identified and dealt with by the authorities.

Not up to Australia as no criminal offence has been identified in Australia. The Australian broadcasting Commission could fine the station or revoke thier licence but that is a civil matter. As for the U.K they have considered a U.K law of attempt to gain medical details by deception but are they going to persue extradiction proceeding for such an offence given the circumstances. Who would they file the actual charges against, The CEO of the station, the producers of the show, the d'j's for following the script or the guy in the booth who actually dialed the number for the d.j's. The U.K no longer has any jurisdiction in Australia.

Interesting it is not illegal to impersonate someone in Australia, so fraud must be

legal there then??

And you can broadcast anything about anyone without their permission, I seriously

doubt that??

Yes seriously, is that too difficult for you to grasp???

Yes. It is.

That they had no idea who it was, and that as soon as she committed suicide, everyone knew who she was, is difficult to believe.

I presume by " they " you are referring to the media??

Her name would be released by the police after her family had been informed on the report of

her body being found, until that time no one, including the media, had any knowledge of her

identity, so bang goes your theory that the media had anything to do with her death, and back

comes the idiot DJs as the prime suspects. Not to mention the criminal radio station!!!!

Prime suspects? That would indicate a crime has been committed. Are you saying it was not suicide but a crime committed by the DJs and Radio station?

More than one if you have been keeping up

Impersonation is against the law.

Failing to obtain the victims permission before broadcast against the law.

Leading to the suicide of an innocent nurse.

Possibly other laws were broken, I'm not a policeman or lawer.

So why not have armed guards at schools? Crazies are not stupid. You never hear of massacres at a police station do you? They always soft targets like schools which are no gun zones. Psychos and criminals aren't going to follow the rules and not attack 'no gun zones'.

Haven't you watched 'The Terminator'? Crazies are not stupid indeed. They just start with the armed guard, and have one more gun.

You're right. Having a single guard isn't perfect but it sure beats having no guard at all.

Not as well as having no guns!!!!!

Banning guns would work. No one has guns, no one gets shot. Problem is there's no way they're ever going to have a 100% ban on guns in America. So they put up some half assed gun control laws which never work because bad guys don't follow the law!

I read about how brave the teachers who died that day were. How Vicki Soto and others gave their lives protecting their students. They must have really loved their kids to do that.

Now imagine if they had a gun in their hand on that day. I have no doubt one of them would have put a few rounds in that psycho and probably saved some lives.

That's a great idea teachers with guns, hang on what about mail men and paper boys, taxi drivers, nurses, doctors and, and

Yeah right

There are 300 million guns in circulation in the USA. The bad guys are always going to be able to find guns unless they ban guns 100% and destroy every gun out there. I very much the government will do that.

So why not have armed guards at schools? Crazies are not stupid. You never hear of massacres at a police station do you? They always soft targets like schools which are no gun zones. Psychos and criminals aren't going to follow the rules and not attack 'no gun zones'.

And don't forget to send a SWAT team to every fire reported now!!!! Where does it stop , let me think STOP the GUNS.

The enemy would be crazy people with guns killing people ........ Armed good people is not an unreasonable solution to armed bad people.

What a great idea more guns that should stop the killing Duh!!

Yes seriously, is that too difficult for you to grasp???

Yes. It is.

That they had no idea who it was, and that as soon as she committed suicide, everyone knew who she was, is difficult to believe.

I presume by " they " you are referring to the media??

Her name would be released by the police after her family had been informed on the report of

her body being found, until that time no one, including the media, had any knowledge of her

identity, so bang goes your theory that the media had anything to do with her death, and back

comes the idiot DJs as the prime suspects. Not to mention the criminal radio station!!!!

That report does not name her, neither did any other reports prior to her death.

This was because the hospital did not name the two nurses taken in by the idiot DJs. To the best of my knowledge they have not named the second nurse.

How can the press harrass someone when they don't know who that person is?

Or are you seriously suggesting that all the female staff at the hospital were being harassed by the press?

jbrain, as transam says, pretending to be someone else in order to obtain confidential information is an offence.

As was broadcasting the call without first obtaining the participents consent.

Seriously? They didn't know who it was who answered the phone, but the second she committed suicide they all knew that she was the one that answered the phone??

Yes seriously, is that too difficult for you to grasp???

jpinx;

Scottish independence: SNP confirms referendum question

The Scottish government has insisted that the parliament at Holyrood will have the final say on the recommendations from the Electoral Commission.

Ms Sturgeon added: "Once they have reported back, it will then be for the Scottish parliament to decide the final wording of the question on the ballot paper."

Seems fairly clear to me that this means the SNP will ask the question they want; not the one recommended by the EC.

phuketjock;

I do not consider the Scottish people stupid, and am offended that you should suggest it.

But a bit of research will show you that the wording of the question can effect the result. It may not influence the way most people vote, but it could influence enough to change the result.

I ask again; why are the SNP afraid of making it clear a Yes vote means Scotland leaving the UK? Will you answer this time?

theblether;

Please explain what you mean by

There seems to be an inability on the part of some to realize that this is a democratic process, conducted with the agreement of the Westminster Government. The result, whether it be Yes or No, will be the Democratic Will of the people resident in Scotland.

I have seen nothing from either side of this debate to indicate that anyone thinks that the referendum is not democratic.

The statement gives the impression that you feel those who support the Union should not air their views. Surely not, though; as that definitely would be undemocratic!

7 Has the EC recommended that the question be changed NO Has the EC recommended anything at

this point NO. Has the question to be asked been finalised yet NO. It is quite clear and has been agreed

by all concerned that whatever question the Scottish government deem appropriate will be the question

asked. That is how it is whether you agree or not, end of, get over it, Subject closed.

If you do not wish to feel offended by suggestions that you think the

Scottish people are stupid then do not post statements that imply you

do.

Vote Yes To Independence.

That's a great idea,only problem is that the S East subsidise us,not as much as Scotland but still enough for us to think twice about it. Anyhow I think the Shetland isle's and Orkney's will beat us to independence.Then how will the SNP balance the books.

merry Xmas

This is really getting tedious Nontabury it has been established at least 200 posts ago

that Scotland is in fact one of the areas in the UK that is in fact self sufficient finacially

please do your homework before you have the antis beating the same dead horse all

over again.

His point was that our self-sufficiency was thanks to the good fortune of our proximity to offshore oil deposits, which would largely accrue to our viking neighbours in the Shetlands and Orkneys, were they to free themselves from the yoke of our tyranny, rather than our industrious mercantile talents as the workshop of the Empire.

SC

I rather think that's what you think SC if you actually knew anything about the

Shetlands and Orkneys you would know they do not grind the same axe.

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I think a lot of Scots wrongly perceive the rest of the UK as England - the same offence of which we complain so much in foreigners

SC

Then your thinking is grossly off tilt and you are equally as insulting as 7X7 is and you claim to be Scottish you

disgrace your claimed nationality SC.

You definitely deserve a straight

Please look up my post no 1619 d/d 23rd dec,time 15.19.This is not the first time you have insulted a fellow Scot,and why,because he can think for himself and therefore does not agree with you.

Btw S.C is a Scot who believes in the Union,I'm a Englishman who does not believe in the Union,make of that what you will.

I always feel that insults reflect poorly on the speaker. Observers can make up their own minds.

To vote to leave one's own country seems foolish; as a founder nation of the United Kingdom then perhaps we can concede that we made a mistake over three hundred years ago, but personally, I am not seeking a divorce for the sake of my wealth or enjoyment today or tomorrow. Who knows what the future will bring?

SC

SC your logic is more than a lttle confusing UK is not a country it is a union of four countries

so leaving the UK would not be leaving your country it would be dissolving a union, that in the

opinion of many has gone sadly wrong, and reclaiming your country and taking the running

and government of our nation back from the brink and making our own way in the world

Vote Yes To Independence.

That's a great idea,only problem is that the S East subsidise us,not as much as Scotland but still enough for us to think twice about it. Anyhow I think the Shetland isle's and Orkney's will beat us to independence.Then how will the SNP balance the books.

merry Xmas

This is really getting tedious Nontabury it has been established at least 200 posts ago

that Scotland is in fact one of the areas in the UK that is in fact self sufficient finacially

please do your homework before you have the antis beating the same dead horse all

over again.

So why are the SNP afraid of including that in the question?

7X7

The incessant pursuit of your independance question amendment is insulting, your insinuating that the

Scottish people do not have the intelligence to understand that Scottish independance involves separation

from the UK. You or anyone do not have the right to demean or belittle any nation with such an implication.

I think a lot of Scots wrongly perceive the rest of the UK as England - the same offence of which we complain so much in foreigners

SC

Then your thinking is grossly off tilt and you are equally as insulting as 7X7 is and you claim to be Scottish you

disgrace your claimed nationality SC.

You definitely deserve a straight

Radio hoax nurse 'tried to commit suicide before'r

The London nurse who committed suicide after a prank call from two Australian radio DJs had reportedly been prescribed anti-depressants after two alleged suicide attempts.

The Indian-born nurse was admitted to Mangalore hospital for a depressive disorder when she visited her family in December 2011, the unnamed relative said.

According to Indian media reports, the 46-year-old mother-of-two had tried to kill herself at the time and made a second attempt nine days later.

http://news.ninemsn....-suicide-before

Appears that she had some serious issues and was suicidal well before answering and transfering a phone call. At least two failed attempts. Appears she definately wanted to end her own life no matter what, and with her mental state wanted to leave others behind to blame for her death.

From www.indianexpress.com The original source of all the media reports.

please note no confirmation of any previous suicide attempts only local media

speculation, no facts.

Quote

" Indian nurse Jacintha Saldanha, who reportedly committed suicide in London on December 7, days after being the victim of a royal hoax call by two Australian radio jockeys, was admitted in a Mangalore hospital for a depressive disorder in December 2011 when she visited India with her family for Christmas, a member of her family said.

“It is true that she was taken to the Fr Muller Medical College Hospital in Mangalore during her visit last Christmas. We are not commenting on whether it was a suicide attempt,’’ said the family member, following reports in the local media that she had attempted to kill herself on two occasions during her last visit to India.

According to local reports from Mangalore, medical records from the nurse’s stay in hospital during her last visit, ostensibly for a serious fall, suggested that she was diagnosed with a depressive disorder due to a history of stress and that she may have tried to harm herself.

The exact cause and trigger for the depression was not known and the nurse had been treated, put under medication and discharged in January, reports said.

Jacintha, who worked at the King Edward VII Hospital in London, was a victim of a prank call by two Australian RJs who pretended to be Queen Elizabeth and Prince Charles as they enquired into the well-being of the pregnant Duchess of Cambridge, Kate Middleton, who was a patient at the hospital.

Days later, Jacintha was found dead in her quarters in London."

So why are the SNP afraid of including that in the question?

7X7

The incessant pursuit of your independance question amendment is insulting, your insinuating that the

Scottish people do not have the intelligence to understand that Scottish independance involves separation

from the UK. You or anyone do not have the right to demean or belittle any nation with such an implication.

I would like to see the wording of the referendum question.

I would also like to know what the Scottish Parliament's stance would be frozen annual increases of UK pensioners,

Right can of worms opening up with the porridge, whisky and haggis.

Go to www.scotland.gov.uk

and you will I think find the answers to your questions and many more besides nong

That's worse than "Flower of Scotland", that web site is. I'm appalled that the Scottish government are supporting such miserable whinging

*"As a nation, we have done a lot of exploring – we were a sovereign, independent country, and then gave our independence away.

We helped to build an empire, and saw it decay.

We transformed a rural economy into the workshop of the world – and then watched as the work left.

We discovered oil and stood by as the revenues were spent by others. "

* Sorry, I don't know how to fix the line spacing, perhaps someone could tell me how to revert to single line spacing?

The fact is that we established a united nation, we didn't give away independence. If we stood idly by and saw the empire decay, it was our own inaction that was responsible, but in fact we did not; we established an empire, and saw it flourish and thrive on its own. We were the workshop, the foundry, of the world, until we could find others to do the grimy, harsh and dirty work involved, then we left those jobs and moved onwards and upwards.

You may want to see thousands toiling for pennies on the Clyde in shipywards again, yoiu may wish to compete with the wages of Colombian and Indonesian coal miners, but I do not.

SC

So what do you want SC

Do you want us to continue letting others spend our not only oil revenues but all our revenues

now and in the future because that is exactly what will happen if we continue on the uphill road

we are on now hanging on the purse strings of the English begging for handouts from an already

broke governent, is that how you see Scotlands future SC shame on YOU.

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Why can plain english not be used.

Any person from anywhere in the world who has become a British citizen through legal means

can register on the electorial roll of the constituency that they reside in YES or NO??? provided

they meet the requirements to register.

So anyone in the world could vote in elections in Britain provided they met the necessary

criteria. Flowery language does not encourage people to take heed of what you are trying to

say or help them to understand your point.

I thought we had to be resident. As an expat, I can vote in the constituency of my last UK resident, but I do not have evidence of residency (not least because I am non-resident). This election is different from our other elections - expatriates will not get a vote, but some schoolchildren will.

SC

SC I did say " provided they met the necessary criteria "

Just to make it clear:

AS I UNDERSTAND IT:

If you are a British citizen, you can register on the electoral role in your district of residence in the UK. If you have registered in a district, but are no longer resident, you can still vote in that district by postal ballot for general elections and bye-elections.

This is NOT the case for the referendum on Scottish independence. Only voters who are resident in Scotland will be allowed to vote. Expatriates, and British voters resident in England etc will not be eligible to vote (as I understand it). This is different from British parliamentary elections mentioned above.

SC

You are correct

SC

But there are possible ways to circumvent this ruling which would be rather foolish of me to

divulge in here.

I would like to see the wording of the referendum question.

I would also like to know what the Scottish Parliament's stance would be frozen annual increases of UK pensioners,

Right can of worms opening up with the porridge, whisky and haggis.

Go to www.scotland.gov.uk

and you will I think find the answers to your questions and many more besides nong

Dammit - that link should have been posted last week and saved a lot of hot air in here

I have posted it umpteen times but the hotairians seem to read it and run.

It doesn't seem to appeal to them, I don't know why?

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Why can plain english not be used.

Any person from anywhere in the world who has become a British citizen through legal means

can register on the electorial roll of the constituency that they reside in YES or NO??? provided

they meet the requirements to register.

So anyone in the world could vote in elections in Britain provided they met the necessary

criteria. Flowery language does not encourage people to take heed of what you are trying to

say or help them to understand your point.

I thought we had to be resident. As an expat, I can vote in the constituency of my last UK resident, but I do not have evidence of residency (not least because I am non-resident). This election is different from our other elections - expatriates will not get a vote, but some schoolchildren will.

SC

SC I did say " provided they met the necessary criteria "

I would like to see the wording of the referendum question.

I would also like to know what the Scottish Parliament's stance would be frozen annual increases of UK pensioners,

Right can of worms opening up with the porridge, whisky and haggis.

Go to www.scotland.gov.uk

and you will I think find the answers to your questions and many more besides nong

Scotland will be independant by then the pleasure will be all mine Sir

No, Scotland won't be independent by then. Most estimates I've seen suggest it would be two years from referendum to independence.

You are, I have noticed, a bit of an expert on suggestions, speculation and conjecture on

and in just about every post you have made. No one here including you and me can predict

what or how, or for that matter when things will unfold if and when Scotland becomes

independant. So it is somewhat futile to believe that your point of view is any more valid

than anyone elses'.

Dear pot; yours kettle!

Thank you head pot.

So Thai teachers work for the government, or are civil servants in Thailand employed by

some other agency??

Thai teachers in private Thai schools are employed by the schools.

Teachers in UK schools are employed by local government except for teachers in private

schools who are employed by the schools, I fail to see the difference

It comes down to where restrictions by nationality (as opposed to right to work) may be imposed.

There will be no seizing of oil or anything else as far it goes it has yet again been pointed out some time ago on this thread the oil belongs to the oil companies and the oil revenues will go to the respective governments who have juristiction over the long established areas

from which the oil is extracted!!!!!

Possession is 90% of the law, and just turning off flows could be quite effective. As I said, it's a nightmare scenario.

The only people who could turn off the flow are the oil conpanies and as that

would deprive them of their revenue that is a highly unlikely senario. You seem

to have missed the fact that the oil is the property of the oil conpanies, so what

is the significance of " Possesion is 90% of the law "???

Tell me that in 2015. 7

Scotland will be independant by then the pleasure will be all mine Sir

No, Scotland won't be independent by then. Most estimates I've seen suggest it would be two years from referendum to independence.

You are, I have noticed, a bit of an expert on suggestions, speculation and conjecture on

and in just about every post you have made. No one here including you and me can predict

what or how, or for that matter when things will unfold if and when Scotland becomes

independant. So it is somewhat futile to believe that your point of view is any more valid

than anyone elses'.